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My first Licinius II

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Ocatarinetabellatchitchix, Sep 3, 2019.

  1. Ocatarinetabellatchitchix

    Ocatarinetabellatchitchix Well-Known Member

    When Galerius died in 311AD there were four men calling themselves Emperors - Licinius I in Asia, Maximinus Daia in Egypt, Maxentius at Rome, and Constantine in Gaul. Valerius Licinianus Licinius served as Caesar (he was raised at the age of 20 months ) in the eastern empire from 317 to 324 A.D while his father was Augustus Licinius I. The mother of Licinius II was Flavia Julia Constantia, the sister of the Emperor Constantine the Great. His father constantly fought against his co emperor Constantine the Great and was finally defeated by Constantine at Chrysopolis on 18 September 324. Licinius I abdicated but was eventually put to death by hanging in 325. It is believed that his father had attempted yet another rebellion against Constantine the Great as an ally of the Goths. Licinius II was executed AD 327 at Pola. He was 11 years old...
    This is the first Licinius The younger in my collection :
    Licinius II Ae Follis
    21 mm. 3.42g. Cyzicus
    DN VAL LICIN LICINIVS NOB C
    IOVI CONSERVATORI
    Jupiter st.left, hold. Victory & sceptre, eagle before, captive behind

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    And if you really like this « emperor », you can find on itunes a music group called DEATH OF LICINIUS II. It is in the Trash Metal category.....

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    Please show me your own example of Licinius the younger.
     
    Last edited: Sep 4, 2019
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  3. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Nice one! I like that portrait style. Here's a IOVI CONSERVATORI CAESS in the "looks better in hand" category:[​IMG]
    Licinius II, Caesar, AD 317-324
    Roman Æ follis; 17.55 mm; 3.36 gm
    Antioch, AD 317-318
    Obv: D N VAL LICIN LICINIVS NOB C, laureate bust, left, holding mappa in the r. hand and globe and scepter in l.
    Rev: IOVI CONSERVATORI CAESS, Jupiter standing left, holding Victory on globe; resting on scepter; at left, captive. SMANT in exergue, H in field, r.
    Refs: RIC 29; RCV 15415.

    And a youtube video of "music" by Death of Licinius II:

     
    Last edited: Sep 3, 2019
  4. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Nice little write-up and nice Follis, @Ocatarinetabellatchitchix . Sad story. 11. I have grandkids that are 11. This is why I am not a big fan of the later Empire.

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    RI Licinius II 317-324 CE Folles Jupiter w Eagle sinister left Antioch
     
  5. Ryro

    Ryro Trying to remove supporter status

    Fantastic coin! Very cool reverse:cool:
    Mine is of a more humble stock you the portrait is much better in hand...
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    Licinius II
    308-324 CE Ticinum
    Follis Æ
    LICINIVS IVN NOB CAES, radiate head right / DOMINORVM NOSTRORVM CAESS around VOT dot V in three lines within wreath. Mintmark ST.
    RIC 137 var.
     
  6. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    I really like those tiny hands!
    Beyond that, I will keep the rest of my comments to myself :)
    Great coins, All!
     
  7. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

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    LICINIUS II
    AE Follis
    OBVERSE: DN VAL LICIN LICINIVS NOB C, helmeted & cuirassed bust left, holding spear & shield
    REVERSE: IOVI CONS-ERVATORI, Jupiter standing left, chlamys across left shoulder, holding Victory on globe & leaning on sceptre, eagle with wreath left, captive right; X over II Mu in right field; SMNB in ex.
    Struck at Nicomedia 321-324 AD
    3.0g, 19mm
    RIC VII 49
     
  8. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Some of Licinius II's portraits look older than 11 and they are not necessarily from his last year.
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  9. Valentinian

    Valentinian Well-Known Member

    Licinius II is not the favorite ruler of anyone I know. That is not all bad. His coins are therefore less expensive than they might be. One could try for a type set. Get RIC VII and list his types (or Failmezger's good book) and then pick them off. Here is one of the scarcer types, only from Thessaloncia.

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    18 mm. LICINIVS IVN NOB CAES
    VOT V
    MVLT X
    CAESS
    TS•Є
    RIC VII Thessalonica 42, struck "318-9." Failmezger 321.

    It would be possible and interesting to collect the vota types of the mint of Thessaloncia in this period. It is the only mint making a series of vota types, much like this one, for all the rulers at the time.
     
  10. Orielensis

    Orielensis Well-Known Member

    ;)

    Here are some more tiny hands for you:
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    Licinius II, Roman Empire, AE3, 317–320 AD, Antioch mint. Obv: DN VAL LICIN LICINIVS NOB C, laureate and draped bust left, holding mappa, globe, and sceptre. Rev: IOVI CONSERVATORI CAESS, Jupiter standing left, holding Victory on globe and sceptre, captive at feet left, delta in right field. 18mm, 2.82g. Ref: RIC VII, 29 delta. Ex Warren Esty.
     
  11. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    Great coin! They really seem to be scraping the bottom of the barrel with those metal band names though. :D

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    LICINIUS II
    AE Follis. 2.0g, 21.5mm. Cyzicus mint, AD 321-324. RIC VII Cyzicus 18 (R1). O: DN VAL LICIN LICINIVS NOB C, helmeted, cuirassed bust left, spear in right hand over shoulder, shield on left shoulder. R: IOVI CONS-ERVATORI, Jupiter standing left, chlamys across left shoulder, holding eagle-tipped sceptre and Victory on globe; in lower left field eagle with wreath in beak standing left, head right, in lower right field a captive seated right; X over II Mu in right field, SMKΔ in exergue.
     
  12. Spaniard

    Spaniard Well-Known Member

    Very nice first Lic II coin Ocatarinetabellatchitchix really good detail!
    Here's my only one still with some original silvering...
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    Licinius II (320 ad) Follis. Siscia mint.. 3.00gr.. 20mm dia.
    Obv.LICINIVS IVN NOB C.(Laureate head right)
    Rev.CAESARVM NOSTRORVM (Wreath inscribed VOT.V
    Mintmark (delta)SIS(star)
    RIC VII Siscia #162 (Rated scarce)
     
  13. philologus_1

    philologus_1 Supporter! Supporter

    I also have a sole example of this boy Caesar.
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    Licinius II as Caesar, AD 317-324, AE Follis
    Mint: Ticinum, AD 319-320
    Obv.: LICINIVS IVN NOB C; Laur., dr. and cuir. bust r.
    Rev.: VIRTVS EXERCIT; in ex, TT; in l. field, star or Christogram-like character;
    Vexillum inscribed VOT/X, two captives std. on either side.
    Weight: 2.88 gr. Diam.: 21 mm.
    Attrib.: RIC 120 (officina unattested); rare variant with this bust type.

    Ex Schulten 1988, lot 1172 and collection Wolfgang Drösser, (this coin) published in W. Drösser, “Christus auf Münzen – in Zeichen, Worten und Bildern: Rom, Byzanz und Axum” (Brühl, Duitsland, 2011).
     
  14. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    Here is a poor pic of my first LII coin, man ...this guy really needs a reshoot!

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  15. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    I know that table!!!:cool:
     
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  16. Cucumbor

    Cucumbor Well-Known Member

    Nice one @Ocatarinetabellatchitchix !

    Here's my one and only example. Strange how this cheeky young lad also looks quite old on this portrait at the same time :

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    Licinius II, AE3 Nicomedia mint, 4th officina, AD 317-318
    D N VAL LICIN LICINIVS NOB C, draped and diademed bust right
    PROVIDENTIA CAESS, Jupiter standing left, holding victory and sceptre, palm at his feet, dot and Δ in right field. SMN at exergue
    3.19 gr
    Ref : RCV # 115419 (75) Cohen # 39, RIC VII # 33-34

    Q
     
  17. Severus Alexander

    Severus Alexander find me at NumisForums

    My ex Dattari with 12-pack(?) abs and an ankh-eagle (like zumbly's):

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  18. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Does anyone have the Licinius II version of the Rome mint R EPWC mintmark?
     
  19. Ocatarinetabellatchitchix

    Ocatarinetabellatchitchix Well-Known Member

    Superb coin @Severus Alexander . Never seen a Licinius II with so many details. About the eagle, do you really think it’s an ankh symbol or is it simply holding a wreath ?
     
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  20. Severus Alexander

    Severus Alexander find me at NumisForums

    "Ankh-eagle" was just a joke, because it looks so silly. :D It's definitely a wreath.
     
  21. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    I was the underbidder of this one in the Naumann auction last weekend. I knew it was missing from your set, and the thought occurred that if I won it, it would have made for a nice early Christmas present to you. :angelic: Unfortunately, someone else had other ideas... :mad:
     
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