the democrats' next move after republicans reject a january 6th commission. could this be the beginning of the end for the filibuster? senator alex padilla will be here to discuss. then from tulsa, senator chris coons joins me as the country marks 100 years since the tulsa race massacre. and donald trump. he lost the election. he's in serious legal trouble, and he has complete control of the republican party. the question is, why? i'm jonathan capehart. this is "the sunday show."

this sunday after senate republicans blocked the establishment of an independent commission to investigate the deadly rampage, to which they themselves were victims, the conclusion is clear. they're still owned by donald trump. >> this vote has made it official. donald trump's big lie has now fully enveloped the republican party. trump's big lie is now the defining principle of what was once the party of lincoln. shame on the republican party for trying to sweep the horrors of that day under the rug because they're afraid of donald trump. >> only six republicans voted with the democrats in a move that has all eyes turning to the filibuster. the legislative procedure that allows the minority party to obstruct virtually any legislation it wants, which means president biden's agenda from infrastructure and jobs to police reform and voting rights hangs in the balance.

joining me now is senator alex padilla of california. senator padilla, welcome back to "the sunday show". >> good to see you again, jonathan. >> so could you just please talk about or explain to us why it is so difficult to get ten republicans to overcome the filibuster to allow for something that should be not a partisan commission but a patriotic commission? >> exactly, jonathan. and speaking of patriotism, right, i can't help but appreciate the timing of what's going on here. as we're beginning to commemorate memorial day tomorrow, when we honor as a nation so many members of the military who paid the ultimate sacrifice in defense of our nation and in defense of our democracy, to think that we cannot on a bipartisan basis

establish a bipartisan commission to get to the root of what happened on january 6th. i want to make it clear to all the viewers, the structure of the commission as proposed was modeled after the bipartisan commission established after 9/11. i mean imagine if after 9/11, the prevailing notion was well, as long as we beef up airport security, we would have addressed the problem. of course. it was much more complex of that just as the root of january 6th, and in my mind, what other example could we possibly need to finally get rid of the filibuster? >> speaking of that, let's have a listen to your senate colleague, senator joe manchin of west virginia, and what he had to say when asked about the filibuster. >> would you be willing to break the filibuster in order to get this passed. >> i'm not ready to destroy our government. no. i think they will come together. you have to have faith there's ten good people. >> how frustrating is it for you

to see -- >> it's frustrating. it's frus tracing to say this. there's a lot of negotiations and the leadership of the democrats in both the house and the senate have agreed to the recommendations that were made, to make the adjustments. there's no excuse for a republican not to vote for this unless they don't want to hear the truth. >> and yet, senator padilla, only six republicans voted for it, and the commission went down in a ball of flames. those questions about the filibuster were about the january 6th commission, but those questions about the filibuster are going to keep coming up as more and more legislation comes to the floor. why is it so difficult, do you think to get senator manchin from this belief that ending the filibuster would destroy the government to the point where ending the filibuster is what's going to be needed to get things done? >> yeah. well, i think he said it pretty plainly. he was convinced there would be

ten good people on the other side of the aisle that would do the right thing. so we took a vote, and he got his answer. we keep getting asked what else can you do to work on a bipartisan basis? what else can you do to work on a bipartisan basis? if we can try, we'll keep trying. the question is really for republicans, when they're going to be ready to work on a bipartisan basis because we keep hearing no, and what we keep seeing is a party that is choosing loyalty to trump over truth and democracy. >> i want to get your reaction to something that a member of congress on the other side of the capitol, in the house, congressman matt gaetz. this is element one for the control room. here's what he had to say about the second amendment. >> we have a second amendment in this country, and i think we have an obligation to use it. the second amendment is not about -- it's not about hunting.

it's not about recreation. it's not about sports. the second amendment is about maintaining within the citizenry the ability to maintain an armed rebellion against the government if that becomes necessary. i hope it never does. >> senator padilla, just your reaction to what you just heard. >> sadly, not shocked. jonathan, look what just happened. the former president of the united states invited and incited a riot on january 6th. you know, there was an impeachment trial. republicans let him off the hook. not enough good people on the other side to vote to convict. so that's behind us. we still need to get to the root of what happened. we proposed a bipartisan commission to investigate january 6th. not ten good souls on the other side to vote to establish a bipartisan commission. so it serves as an incentive for

this kind of language. and we've seen what this kind of language can lead to, a deadly insurrection in our nation's capital. what more evidence could you possibly need? i also got to tell you the timing -- not just as we prepare to commemorate memorial day, but look what just happened in the texas statehouse this last week zblo mm-hmm. >> they're actively, aggressively pushing laws that make it harder to vote, but undo common sense gun safety laws. we had a tragic shooting in california this last week. a tragic shooting in the last 24 hours in miami beach. more across the country that don't get the news attention that these high-profile events have, and it's because of language like this, because republican party chooses loyalty over trump and the conspiracy theories over truth and our democracy. >> senator alex padilla of california, we're going to have to leave it there. thank you very much for coming

back to "the sunday show,". joining the conversation is matthew dowd. thank you so much for coming to "the sunday show". >> my pleasure, jonathan. thanks for having me. in case folks who are watching who aren't on twitter as obsessively as i am or you are, i want to show them the tweet that you sent out that i re-tweeted. it's spoke for me, and i think it spoke for a lot of people. any republican who vote the against the january 6th commission and shows up at a memorial day event is a complete hypocrite. how can you honor those who died for our democracy when you won't even defend it with a vote? >> yeah. i mean it's pretty starkly clear where we are today, jonathan. that's, to me, when i think about this, as you know i've worked on a number of campaigns in years gone by, and memorial day events are always a thing that politicians do. but i don't -- i mean the line of courage and the line of

defense of our democracy, which all of these people which we will honor tomorrow who gave their blood throughout our history to defend our democracy, but you can't cast a vote for, as was just discussed, a bipartisan commission to investigate what happened on january 6th, which was another symptom of the problem we have in america today. it's absolute hypocrisy. i know we've gotten used to a lack of integrity in washington, d.c., but this is just one complete, clear example of how hypocritical republicans are being in this moment. >> matthew, it's hypocritical, but tell me, do you think that part of what's driving what is happening or not happening here in washington is fear, fear of donald trump and fear of the people who support donald trump within the republican party? >> well, at the basis of all injustice is fear, right? so hate always comes from a place of fear, fear of loss of

place. i mean if you really want to trace this back, why did january 6th happen, and why did this sort of group of voters who ignore facts and ignore truth and seem to be willing to throw our democracy overboard, why is that the case? all of that is traced back to a fear. and it's a fear that the country has fundamentally changed in a diverse, multi-ethnic way, and they don't like that. i believe that there is a number of voters in our country today that back donald trump, that fundamentally don't believe that all men and women are created equal. and i think that's fundamentally where we are today. i don't think they're afraid of donald trump. i think they're afraid of the mob donald trump stands in front of, and that's, i think, where the republicans really fundamentally are. they're afraid of the group of voters in their primary that will beat them because they're not interested in facts. they're not interested in truth. and they're really only interested in ends justify the means approach to our democracy.

>> matthew, i agree with you that a lot of folks who say they're supporting donald trump, it's really about exercising their fear about the demographic change in this country and their being moved from the center of everything, politics, culture. to your point, about the republican party base, i want to put up this ipsos/reuters poll that is just shocking. 56% of republicans believe the election was rigged or the results of illegal voting, and this is the one that really is shocking. 53% think donald trump is the actual president. >> well, i mean i could think there might be people -- a colony on mars, but that doesn't mean i'm going to plant an idea that that colony exists today. it's in an unreal place, jonathan, and i think i'm very concerned. i think this is one of the most perilous moments in our

country's history. i think the president of the united states, joe biden, has to put an exclamation point on the most concerning issue, which is our democracy and where we are today. we can have all the conversations about the pandemic. we can have all the conversations about gun reform. we can have all the conversations about any number of issues, protecting women's right to choose. none of it matters unless we preserve our democracy, and we are at that point. >> so then, matthew, to that point, then, do you think president biden should come out forcefully and sooner rather than later, and say the filibuster needs to be done away with at a minimum to get s 1, the for the people act, the voter rights bill, passed by the senate and on his desk to be signed into law? >> so i think the president -- i mean obviously i think the president's heart's in the right place on this. i think the president needs to do a number of things.

first, i think he needs to point a cabinet-level position to democracy. second, i think him along with democrats and independents and republicans that are concerned about our country should say, do away with the filibuster. as you know full well, the filibuster has a long history of preventing justice and preventing change in america. it started long ago during the slave states through civil rights, through all of that, and we are today -- the fascinating thing about today is that the filibuster is actually preventing consensus and bipartisanship. the filibuster isn't helping preserve bipartisanship and consensus. so i think the president needs to put this issue on the front and center today and make this the most important issue of his presidency over the next 3 1/2 years that he's in office. >> matthew dowd, we're going to have to have you back and have you back often. thank you very much for coming to "the sunday show". >> thanks, jonathan. glad to be here. later in the show, moments from my interview with vice president kamala harris that you

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donald trump's legal woes got worse this week after news that manhattan's d.a. convened a grand jury to consider evidence in the case against trump and his associates. and according to abc news, potential witnesses have been contacted about appearing before the grand jury. but it seems that most republicans still can't get enough of trump. a recent poll shows that 66% of republicans say they would like trump to run again in 2024, and 85% prefer to see candidates running for office who agree with him. so the gop is down with djt. the question is why? joining me now, msnbc legal contributor katie phang and

"washington post" national reporter -- and i want to brag on her three-time pulitzer prize win, carol leonnig. katie, carol, thank you very much for coming back to "the sunday show." i just want to put up the ipsos/reuters poll. it still blows my mind. you see that 56% up there believe that the election was rigged. but it's the next thing, 53% think donald trump is the actual president. carol, you covered donald trump when he was in the white house. what -- why -- why -- how is that even possible? >> you know, american voters are incredible people. they make very sophisticated, great choices. however, a lot of americans believe what they are told over

and over and over again and what is sort of droned on in the -- whatever channels they are listening to, whatever radio, television, or also politicians they are listening to. and politicians in so many of these districts, republicans, are telling them that donald trump is the rightful president and that the election was stolen from him and that joe biden was illegitimately elected. i mean it really -- i know it sort of strains credulity, jonathan, but remember after 9/11, a lot of politicians told people that saddam hussein was a part of the 9/11 attacks. and two-thirds of americans at a certain point believe that saddam hussein had engineered those attacks. it's because politicians told them that. those people have a big platform, and in this case people with very big platforms -- donald trump doesn't have twitter anymore, but he has a lot of other media -- continually say this, and it's believed.

>> carol, you point out that donald trump isn't on twitter anymore, but he still puts out statements like he's on twitter. katie, i'm just going to read part of it. his reaction to the grand jury news. this is purely political and an affront to the almost 75 million voters who supported me in the presidential election, and it's being driven by highly partisan democrat prosecutors. our country is broken. our elections are rigged, corrupt and stolen. our prosecutors are politicized and i will just have to keep on fighting like i have been for the last five years. um, yeah. katie -- >> so, you know, look, to carol's point, though, as a lawyer, as a trial lawyer, as a former prosecutor, what terrifies me, though, is if cy vance and letitia james and in fulton county, the d.a., if they end up charging and indicting donald trump or the trump organization or any of the trump

children and this goes to a jury trial, you have a potential jury pool, jonathan, of that many voters that may think this is a political prosecution. i mean you know you've struck a chord or you struck a nerve, excuse me, with the former guy when he, you know, whips out witch hunts again. that was his favorite phrase when he was in office. laws are not supposed to be political. we all know that's not totally true, but the application of the laws is supposed to be apolitical. it's the idea that it's -- you know, regardless if you're a democratically elected district attorney, a prosecutor, whatever, i mean you're supposed to be applying the laws fairly. and what we've seen, though, is that you're going to have this argument where donald trump's lawyers or the trump organization lawyers are going to say, this political witch hunt has become criminal in the investigation. but we all know that when people have an addiction, that sometimes it takes intervention, and there's a judicial

intervention that's potentially about to occur in new york not only through the state a.g. but through cy vance and the manhattan d.a.'s office through the grand jury that's been impaneled. >> one more question on this grand jury, katie. how significant is it that it actually has an extended time? it's going to be over six months. should we read anything into that? >> we should always read into things that are unusual, things that are out of the ordinary. the impaneling of the grand jury that's going to sit longer than usual is significant. it usually means that the volume of evidence that's being presented to the grand jury is more than the average bear. number two, it also means that there's a potential for the presentation of multiple requests for an indictment or formal charges, a true bill as they call it, to be returned against maybe potential multiple defendants. we know that the net has been cast wide for tax fraud, insurance fraud, wire fraud. we know that the multiple perspective defendants are individuals like trump. we know it's also involving the

business entity of the trump organization. so there's a lot of potential targets in that widely cast net, and so, yes, we should pay attention to the activity that's happening in cy vance's office. >> carol, you covered donald trump when he was in the white house, when he was president. i'm going to put the question to you that i've been asking, i think, three times leading up to this discussion, and that is why can't the gop quit donald trump? he aided in them losing the house, losing the senate. he lost the white house, and yet he maintains a firm grip on the party. given what you know about him and the party through your reporting on that white house and on him, why do you think that is? >> well, i think it's interesting. you're right, it's a perplexing question, but basically the whole first part of your show answers it. he has a grip over politicians because he has a grip over

voters because his republican colleagues have repeatedly said that he was denied his rightful second term. so if "x" number of people, a very large percentage of republicans, believe that the election was stolen and that he's the rightful president, he's the most prominent republican. republican leaders have made him so, and he has made himself this, and you can't quit somebody who has that kind of grip over voters. you literally risk unemployment as a politician if you cross donald trump because you're crossing his voters. >> and part of me wishes some of them would risk unemployment if only to save the republic. katie phang, carol leonnig, thank you very much for coming to "the sunday show". coming up, the rise in anti-semitic hate crimes and president biden's response.

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that some of my progressive colleagues do on social media, and i'm asking for some empathy, some compassion, and the recognition that this is real. we're accustomed to swastikas painted on synagogues and our cemeteries defaced. but when i see violence in the streets, i see jewish people being attacked for simply being jewish in our country, in the united states of america, darn right i'm going to speak up and ask with compassion and vigor that my colleagues speak up. >> there's been a troubling increase in anti-semitic incidents around the country with the anti-defamation league reporting a 75% spike since the recent fighting between israel and hamas. on friday, president biden condemned the recent attacks as, quote, despicable, unconscionable, and un-american. this came a day after congresswoman marjorie taylor greene made this indefensible comparison. >> you know, nazis were the national socialist party just

like the democrats are now a national socialist party. >> joining me now to discuss, jonathan greenblatt, ceo and national director of the anti-defamation league. mr. greenblatt, thank you very much for coming to "the sunday show." can i just get you to react to what we just heard from congresswoman marjorie taylor greene and talk about how dangerous is it to have someone, an elected official like her, out there spouting anti-semitism seemingly on a daily basis? >> well, jonathan, thank you for having me on the show. i think marjorie taylor greene is certainly a testament to the fact that intelligence or knowledge of history is not a prerequisite to serve in the u.s. congress. she has trivialized the holocaust again and again and again to score political points with the qanon supporters who brought her to the house of representatives.

but i think we need to step back to try to understand this moment, the moment that we're in right now, where jews across the country are literally in fear because we've seen trivialization of the holocaust and the politicization of memory. and i'll be honest, jonathan. it's happening on both sides of the aisle. when you make flippant comparisons between democrats and nazis or flippant comparisons between the jewish state and genocide, american jews get caught in the middle. last week in los angeles where i lived for many, many years, a convoy of cars drove through a jewish neighborhood waving palestinian flags and chanting "free palestine" and saying other things. then literally that convoy of cars that was intimidating people, throwing objects at homes that had ma zhu zas on their door posts, some of the drivers got out into the streets and literally attacked and

assaulted diners after they asked them, are you jewish, are you jewish? you see in this moment that we're in, we've seen a 75% increase in these kinds of hate crimes, and people aren't distinguishing what were your views on bibi netanyahu, or where do you stand on a two-state solution? so what we saw last week when kevin mccarthy finally called out marjorie taylor greene was important, because we need people on the right to call out anti-semitism on the right. and what i think is important is when joe biden said what he said, and now we need others on the left to call it anti-semitism on the left with the same vigor and intensity that you bring when donald trump or others on the right say these things. >> you talked several times about trivializing the holocaust, and i just want to put up on the screen something that i just found astounding. nashville -- promotes anti-vaccine yellow star of david badge.

a nationalville hat shop called hat works on saturday stood by its promotion of a yellow badge in the shape of the star of david emplacened with the words "not vaccinated" as a few demonstrators protested outside. >> yeah. that, for me, kind of ranks somewhere between depraved and deranged. i mean, look, my grandfather was a survivor from germany whose family was slaughtered and incinerated in auschwitz. so when i see someone, you know, using the jewish star, the star of david, in that way, the way the nazis used it, comparing that to trying to keep everyone safe from covid, i am repulsed, and i think it is just so beyond the pale, jonathan, because, again, it hardens our hearts and allows us to forget what real atrocity and genocide looks like. then i've just got to say in the same breath, when i've seen casual, flippant comparisons between, you know, again, nazi germany and the state of israel

or people suggesting that the jewish state is committing genocide. those kinds of trivializations of what happened also again invoke revulsion in me because i think we are hardening our hearts in a way that doesn't help. again, jews are getting caught in the crossfire. i must say it's not just what we're seeing happening in the real world, vandalism, harassment, and violence, but what's happened online is so shocking as well. at adl last week, we tracked some 17,000 tweets that said hitler was right. now, again, i wasn't looking at the political affiliation of who said that, jonathan, but i've heard from so many jewish people in the past few weeks about being bullied, harassed, and intimidated on places like instagram or tiktok or twitter in ways that really should not be possible in the year 2021. >> and the political affiliation should not matter. hate should be denounced

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caron nazario was pulled over for a minor traffic violation in virginia in 2020, he thankfully had the presence of mind to record the interaction himself. while the body cam footage worn by police has in part led to increased awareness of police brutality, the police still own the footage, and they determine when and how it is released to the public. a new phone app seeks to change that. it's called turnsignal, and its creators say it offers easy, expert, affordable legal help at the touch of a button so that its users can drive with an attorney by their side. joining me now is the ceo and general counsel of turnsignl, jazz hampton. thank you very much for coming to "the sunday show. i understand you are in minneapolis. i went to college in minnesota, so i feel like i'm talking to a homeboy. where did this idea come from? >> you know, myself and my two other co-founders, two black men

in the twin cities, grew up here, right? and the twin cities have an epicenter of this movement. the two co-founders i'm with, they are mbas of finance and marketing background tech sales and i'm an attorney and adjunct professor of law. we all left our corporate jobs to start this and we did that because we've seen the need for it, right? they grew up in st. paul, playing sports with the castile family. so the way it hit home for us was a little different, and we knew there's awareness, but how can we be a part of the change actively? that's what we're really looking forward to doing. >> talk about how the app works. let's say i have turnsignl. i look in my rearview mirror and see the flashing lights. what do i do? >> yes. so as soon as you're safely pulled over, you can either press the button within the app or use voice activation. say, hey siri or hey google. at that point it will

immediately start recording with a front-facing camera as it's sitting on your dashboard and record that interaction and connect you with an attorney in real-time 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. we know that putting an attorney in the car can help really reach our mission, and our mission is simple. it's to de-escalate these roadside interactions, to protect drivers' civil rights and third and most importantly, make sure the drivers and law enforcement get home safely at the end of every day. we've seen tragic endings to stops, and we do not want that to happen again. >> and does that attorney -- so the attorney is there. the attorney is talking to the police officer or is talking to me and telling me what to say to the police officer? >> jonathan, that's a great question. part of our development of this app has been going out to police departments and learning more about how we can help them in this interaction. we want them to feel as comfortable as possible when they approach the car. we want them to feel more calm than any other interaction that they have. one of the piece of feedback we've received from our police interviews is, hey, i would love

to have a conversation with the driver, and it's almost like if i was sitting in the passenger seat of a friend's car as an attorney. if they were to ask for license and registration, there's not a need to intervene, but if they're going to ask you to open your trunk or ask you to get out of your car, maybe the turn can say maybe you can explain to me the probable cause for this search. >> we're running out of time. the other thing i thought was really innovative about this was, as you said, the forward-facing camera is activated and then where does that recording go? >> all recordings on turnsignl are saved to the cloud. so if your phone fell into a puddle of water or is broken or lost, you always have that recording only available to the driver. that's really exciting for us because we know it's important to give that user the autonomy to do with that video what they want instantaneously. also we've learned a lot -- a lot of businesses in the twin cities are offering turnsignl to their employees as a benefit.

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multi-generational wealth. joining me live from tulsa is msnbc correspondent trymaine lee, whose special "blood on black wall street: the legacy of the tulsa massacre" premieres tonight at 10:00 p.m. eastern right here on msnbc. welcome, trymaine. >> reporter: thank you, jonathan. it's great to be here. >> so tell us about the special and tell us why you're there. >> reporter: thank you so much, jonathan. you know, what's almost as remarkable as the level of destruction that this community faced 100 years ago is just how buried the story has been over the last center, intentionally so. so now 100 years later, folks are finally getting a glimpse at the truth. but as you mentioned in the lead-up, justice has been fleeting. so even though the voices are being raised and the narrative is finally being censured, i've spent weeks in tulsa and got a

chance to talk to some of those folks. let's take a listen to what they had to say. >> houses destroyed, businesses destroyed. yeah, we resilient. we rebuild. i can just imagine how they felt. i imagine where we would be had it not happened, not our famili destroyed. >> repair me as a person, repair me as a citizen, whatever that takes, whatever it looks like. we are talking about going on four generations of tragedy. >> reporter: four generations, unable to build on the wealth of their ancestors. after the massacre, hundreds and thousands homeless. they have never been able to really capitalize or build back what have been stolen from them. >> listen to the pain in the voices in the clip you showed made me wonder, are the

commemorations -- even just all the attention being focused on tulsa right now, are they healing in any way for the descendents? >> reporter: that's actually a great question. i have been talking about this all week. this is first time anyone asked that question. i think the answer is maybe, possibly. you think about even centering the narrative, having the commemoration and concerts and speakers and services, does little to ever shrink that gap. when you think about here in tulsa, black folks are twice as likely to be in poverty, to be unemployed. across the country, the typical black family has a tenth of what the typical white family has. that's exacerbated in this community. that's specific injury from 100 years ago. it's great to tell the story and recenter the narrative, folks in the community are hurting. when you go to north tulsa and see the lack of resources compared to downtown and south tulsa where most white folks

leave, more prosperous communities, it's glaring and shameful and a stain on american history. it's great where he here and bringing attention to the community and what happened. it does little to really heal any of the wounds. that trauma they inherited instead of wealth. >> you know, there are big stories about what happened there 100 years ago but also what's happening right now in terms of the controversy over the commemorations. have all these plans done more to maybe -- i was going to say bring people together. but tear them apart. >> reporter: in so many ways, i think this revealed a different form of violence. this community suffered the violence of the massacre, then the violence of jim crow and obstruction to rebuilding, violence of urban renewal when put a highway through the heart of the neighborhood and tore down homes, then the violence of gentrification.

folks on the ground have been tell meg that many powers in this community are using the remembrance of the massacre to draw money and to fund-raise but never put that into the community. that's what we saw with some of the division around some of the high profile events where the official commission brings $30 million and the community is saying, where is the pipeline into the community? we have survivors and we have communities suffering from what happened. i don't think it brought folks closer together. it has driven that wedge deeper. >> i cannot wait to watch your special tonight. it premieres tonight at 10:00 p.m. eastern on msnbc. thank you for coming. don't go anywhere. we have senator chris koonz and the descendents of the most important freedom fighters of the 20th century coming up on

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at this age of 100, the tulsa race massacre isn't in the

history books for us. >> i see black bodies in the street, i smell smoke and see fire. i still see black businesses being burned. i still hear airplanes flying overhead. i hear the screams. i have lived through the massacre every day. our country may forget this history, but i cannot. >> that's mother fletcher. welcome back to "the sunday show." it's been 100 years since the prosperous black community was destroyed by a white mob in tulsa, oklahoma. they killed up to 300 people, destroyed hundreds of businesses and left 10,000 people homeless. this weekend, residents are ensuring this dark history is never forgotten with parades, prayer and activism. chris koonz joined me from tulsa where he is participating in the remembrance activities as part

of the faith in politics pilgrimage. so let me just ask the obvious first question. why is a senator from delaware in tulsa this morning? >> i'm here as part of a congressional delegation. as you know well, faith and politics is an organization long led by our dear friend congressman john lewis of georgia. most years we would go on a pilgrimage to historic sites from the civil rights movement in alabama. we also went on other pilgrim pilgrimages. today, we are here in tulsa to participate in the commemoration of the centennial, the 100th anniversary of the most brutal race riot, a massacre that happened right here in greenwood.

the black district of tulsa that was known as black wall street, where in 1921, an angry armed white mop killed hundreds of people, leaving thousands homeless, burning to the ground 35 square blocks of a prosperous, robust community. here we are a century later, both commemorating those deaths and losses and reflecting on what we need to do to better teach and learn from american history in this moment. >> i was about to ask you, have we learned the lessons from tulsa in these 100 years? >> i'm encouraged by president biden's budget, which was just released friday. how much of it is investing in equity issues, in investing in ways that housing and education and opportunity is more open to african-americans. as we see states in several places across the country,

including here in oklahoma, adopting an enacting laws that limit the teaching of history, particularly some of the more brutal and ugly chapters in american race history, i'm worried that we really haven't learned the lessons of the tulsa massacre of 1921. >> why are people afraid of history? we know that after the tulsa race riot in 1921, tulsa worked hard to completely erase any mention, any thoughts about what happened in tulsa. as you are alluding to, in oklahoma, there's now a law that says, you can't basically teach history. why are people afraid of history? >> you know, it's something that i have wrestled with myself in my own home state. brown versus board of education, one of the most iconic supreme court cases. it's actually a combination of five cases. one of them based on a complaint

by a parent of a school in my hometown in delaware. the school at issue was a quarter mile from my childhood home. yet, this issue, this history wasn't taught in the schools where i grew up or in my state. i'm joining with congressman clyburn and congresswoman rochester and others to add an important part about brown versus board as a part of our national history. i think the reason, frankly, it's not taught more deeply here in tulsa and in oklahoma, in my home state or elsewhere, is we are afraid to open up the box of ugly chapters in american history. we can only appreciate how far we have come if we know how deeply wrong and how badly broken these critical chapters in american history really were. >> the key thing about the faith in politics pilgrimage is that they are bipartisan. james langford of oklahoma will be with you later today and at

some point during the next couple of days. that's a sign of bipartisanship. and yet back here in washington, just on friday, bipartisanship was nowhere to be found in approving the january 6 commission. why wasn't it possible -- >> jonathan -- >> go ahead. you know where i was going. >> jonathan, there were republicans in the senate who voted to convict president trump back during the impeachment, who voted to certify the election of president biden and who voted to proceed with the january 6 commission. but not enough. there were just six. part of my concern is that all efforts at bipartisanship are really constrained by the ways in which the republican party continue to be the party of donald trump and donald trump continues his big lie that the election of 2020 was stolen, that the events of january 6 are not things we need to be

concerned about. and i see a direct connection between the effort to suppress any teaching or examination of what happened here, a century ago, and those in congress, particularly in the house, who are now saying that the events of january 6 don't need any further examination or consideration. on memorial day, we remember those who gave their lives in service to our country. that should include looking hard at the circumstances that took the lives of several capitol police officers. >> as you know, i agree 100%. is the solution to get anything done in washington on behalf of the american people elimination of the filibuster? >> jonathan, we have been debating that in my caucus vigorously the last month, because of all the bills that we really want to get passed and need to get passed in congress. the bill that relates to voting rights, the issue to which john lewis dedicated his life, is the

issue that's right in front of us. there's no path to get that enacted on a bipartisan route. you know me. i'm going to work as hard as i can to see if there's any way we can make progress on things like immigration reform, passing president biden's bold budget and voting rights on a bipartisan route. but i'm not going to sit by and watch his entire agenda be obstructed. we have urgent discussions and important decisions to make on this issue in the months ahead. >> we will all be watching the clock on that. senator coons, thank you for coming back to "the sunday show." >> thank you. join meg now, award winning documentary filmmaker stanley nelson and marco williams, filmmaker and professor at northwestern university. the two of them co-directed the new documentary "tulsa burning, the 1921 race massacre" premiering tonight on the history channel. it is great to see you. we did an event a couple weeks

ago for 92nd street talking about your incredible documentary. i will start with you, mr. williams. what do you hope people will take from your documentary, "tulsa burning"? >> good morning to you all. what do i hope people will take from the documentary? i hope it allows people to live and experience this history that occurred 100 years ago that you have heard has been suppressed for decades. i hope that it can lead to -- i'm not going to say healing but i'm going to say some aspect of transformation. i think that's a critical first step towards healing. >> mr. nelson, why is it important that people watch your documentary, watch the documentary premiering tonight here, why is it important that all americans learn about and watch the history of tulsa?

>> i think it's important that we understand our history if we are going to move forward. the tulsa massacre is part of american history. i think also, the building of greenwood is part of american history and part of the story that we tell, that african-americans set out in covered wagons on foot and on horses to the west to form communities of their own in peace and respect. those communities many times were destroyed. >> i want to play a snippet from the documentary. we will talk about it on the other side. >> they are being led away at gunpoint to the so-called internment centers, fairgrounds, auditorium, the baseball park. >> get out of the centers, people had to have a green

identification card. countersigned by a white person willing to vouch for them. >> here you are, you have been illegally arrested by white civilians. you have no idea what's happened to your loved ones, if you have been separated from them. if that was your uncle, brother, son, your father, you will never know what happened to them. >> mr. williams, when i was watching the documentary -- i watched that part -- it took my breath away. i had no idea, one, that there were internment camps, but, two, in order for black tulsans to get out, they had to have a white person vouch for them. what other things did you learn through making this film that you didn't know before? >> that was one of them, that here we had in this country,

prior to world war ii, citizens of the country being interred, not because they did something wrong of other people's actions or perceptions of them. it reminds me and connected me back to south africa during apartheid where africans, south africans -- [ inaudible ] i would focus on that. there are many aspects that are really ref revealing. >> what about you, mr. nelson? >> i mean, also that there were bombs dropped on greenwood.

white citizens were deputized and given guns. people came from surrounding towns. it was an organized assault on the african-american community. the white citizens surrounded the town with their guns. a whistle blew. they descended on it like an army. really set out to destroy greenwood. that was really part of what happened. i think though also, we should talk about the fact that the film is in two halves. one, it's the building and the massacre of 1921. also, the search for remains of the people that were killed, in 2020 and 2021. >> to that point, i want to play another clip from your documentary. this is reverend robert turner of the church you are standing in front of, mr. nelson.

>> people who lost lives, loved ones. they never had the benefit of having a funeral. that touches me at the core. and it should any conscience human being. the fact that we just dumped bodies of human beings, of patriots, of veterans, of teachers, of husbands, wives, children in mass graves. >> mr. nelson, we are running out of time. i will end with you. since you are there on the ground in tulsa, are the commemorations and the remembrances 100 years later, are they -- from what you have been able to see, are they healing for tulsa, for greenwood, or are they sort of adding to the pain? >> i think it's a first step in

a healing. it's just the first step. i mean, there's very much here a sense of community, a sense of resolution. i think it's a first step in the healing. you know, it's nowhere the completeness of the healing that needs to happen. >> all right. we are going to have to leave it there. stanley nelson, marco williams, great to see you again. remember, their documentary "tulsa burning, the 1921 race massacre" premieres tonight on the history channel. coming up, the descendents of martin luther king are here to show their perspective on the fight for justice. r perspectivee fight for justice. ♪♪ ♪ and they're always glad you came ♪ ♪ you wanna be where you can see(ah-ah) ♪ ♪ our troubles are all the same (ah-ah) ♪ ♪ you wanna be where everybody knows your name ♪

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my grandfather talked about the freedom to be free. >> we got to this place because there's always been generations of people who push back against darkness and push back against

evil. >> violence has not helped us solve any problems. it has only aggravated situations. made divisions between people in societies. >> the descendents of three legendary freedom fighters, nelson mandela, dr. martin luther king, junior and mahatma ghandi. it could not come as a more pivotal time as we mark the one-year anniversary of george floyd's death and the centennial of the tulsa race massacre. with a divided country and violence on the rise, in the midst of a battle for equity, peace and understanding is more necessary than necessary. joining me is the grandson of ma mahatma gandhi and dr. king's

granddaughter. thank you for coming to "the sunday show. dr. king, what would your father make of america right now? >> you know, we have to recall that part of my father's last wort words is that we've got some difficult days ahead. he was very prophetic when he said that. he indicated that the stage at which we were facing in the struggle was genuine equality. while there were many white americans at that time who were committed to ensuring that blacks were treated with dignity and were horrified by many of the racial incidents, many of them did not have a true commitment to genuine equality,

which would equate to racial equity. i think he would be very disheartened and disappointed in some regards with where we are. he would applaud the progress we have made with the number of black americans who are now in many rooms, whether you are talking about on capitol hill, in statehouses, in city hall, in corporate america. he would applaud that political advancement. but he would still be encouraging us that we have to deal with these last vestages of racial inequality. >> mr. gandhi, what do you think -- one, would love to know how you view what is happening here in the united states. but also, how mahatma ghandi would look at the trials and tribulations we are still going

through in america right now. >> i think he would be shocked by what we see, what is happening today. because it was something like this that he experienced in south africa way back nearly 100 years ago that made him look at alternatives to violence. because he realized that this whole culture of violence, the obsessive need for us to use violence to resolve conflict, is destroying humanity. for him, violence was not simply the physical violence but also a lot of the passive violence. he described it as the iceberg. what we see above water is just a fraction of what is hidden

underneath. what violence is doing to us all over the world, not just here in the united states, but all over the world, is it is slowly destroying our humanity. we are consumed by hate and prejudice rather than love and respect for each other. he wanted this culture of violence to be changed into a culture of non-violence. he showed us through his life and his work that it is possible for us to live non-violently. unfortunately, we are so obsessed with quick solutions, quick results that we choose violence and we destroy and we think that by killing people and destroying people that we

resolve the problems. we really don't. we just put the problems under the carpet. >> dr. king, you sent out a tweet announcing your appearance on the show. you had a quote from your father. you wrote, i believe that we can achieve true peace about which my father said, here is the quote, true peace is not merely the absence of tension, it is the presence of justice. how far or how close do you think we are to being in the presence of justice, to having justice? >> yeah. i think with are a long way off. the fact that the filibuster is keeping us from passing the george floyd justice in policing act is an indicator of it. the fact that we continue to see some of these acts of brutality against the black community is

another indicator of it. the fact that we have such a great racial disparity in every arena of american life, whether you talk about jobs, wealth creation, housing, the environment, health equity, black americans are still at the bottom and last. so i think we have a long way to go. i think sometimes we focus on how can we rapidly decrease the tension which my father would call negative peace, where we get rid of the tension on the surface, but underneath there's still this lack of a presence of justice, there's still a lack of equity in our country. so he recognized the question to us in his last book, where do we go from here, chaos or community? he said, chaos or community? in order for us to get there, we have to have a revolution of values, which means that people

have to become more important than things and profit. because we have valued profit and things above people, that's one of the reasons why we have had a difficult time in overcoming our racial disparities in this country and because we have not dealt with white supremacy. hopefully, we will deal with it. >> we have run out of time. i have to ask one more question. mr. gandhi, your grandfather was an inspiration to dr. martin luther king, junior. i am wondering if the two of you, mr. gandhi, and you, dr. king, have you met in person? >> yes, we have. i think a couple of times briefly. >> that is wonderful. i'm sad that the descendent of

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president biden gave his first memorial day address as commander in chief in delaware and had strong words for america's global rivals. >> america is unique. it's an idea. unlike any other country in the world, it's formed based on an idea. almost every other country is based on create, religion, geography, ethnicity. not us. we are based on an idea that we

hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men and women are created equal. we are unique in the world. i had a long conversation with president xi, making it clear to him that we could do nothing but speak out for human rights around the world, because that's who we are. i will be meeting with president putin in a couple weeks in geneva, making it clear that we will not -- we will not stand by and let him abuse those rights. >> joining me now, donna edwards, former congresswoman, john breznahan and jennifer rubin, writer for "the washington post". i should say that donna also is a contributing columnist to "the washington post." thank you for being here.

let me get your reaction to president biden there. it sounds like it's a reassertion of the united states' role as leader on the global stage. after four years of trump, congresswoman edwards, is it too late for that? >> no. i don't think it's too late. i think it was refreshing to hear president biden actually talking about the role of the united states in the world. the importance of lifting up human rights, especially to president xi and president putin, because they very directly have been most involved in some of the most egregious acts of human rights violations. the united states has to reassert that in its international policy. i think it becomes challenging when you look -- you cast that with a vote that was cast on the

january 6 commission. it is challenging to think of the united states and to reassert our role there when we can't quite get ahold of what's happening with our own democracy. >> jennifer? >> yeah, i think that's an excellent point that the congresswoman makes. listen, when we don't have a democracy, we don't have a two party system which both parties embrace democracy, the foundation of which is the vote, that becomes a problem for us internationally. in the cold war, jack kennedy spoke in favor of the civil rights movement and said the failure to live up to our own ideals hurts us in the cold war when dealing with the then soviet union. it's long overdue president biden returns to human rights, which has always been a cornerstone of our foreign policy. we only have one party right now who believes america is build on an idea. the other party seems to believe that it's built on race or

religion or simply the assertion of power. that's a fundamental problem for us these days. >> john, listening to the president's words, they are strong words, they are forceful words. a degree with congresswoman edwards, it was good to hear the president of the united states talking about these things. and yet, on capitol hill, i can't help but wonder if congress is going to end up cutting off the president at the knees by making him sound tough on the world stage but at home being unable to get his agenda through. to my mind, the inability for a nonpartisan patriotic january 6 commission, the inability of that getting passed is a prime example of that. no? >> absolutely. i mean, if we can't look at what happened on january 6, how are we going to talk to other countries about their issues?

i was there on the capitol on january 6. that was an attempt to -- that was an insurrection. that was an armed insurrection, in matter what anybody says. that was an attempt to prevent a peaceful transition of power. they wanted to block -- trump supporters wanted to block the certification of joe biden's electoral college victory. one of the issues that always happens throughout the cold war, we would talk to the soviet leaders about human rights and they would say, look at the problems in your country, look at the problems with african-americans, with minorities, with women. they were right. you know what? 50 years later or 30 years later, however you put it, we still have those problems. we can go after the chinese and russians, but we still have enormous problems here. >> one of the people who spoke out forcefully about that

insurrection that you lived through was congresswoman liz cheney of wyoming. she was in the leadership at the time. she's been run out of leadership because she kept speaking truth to power. she's in the crosshairs of donald trump. this is element five. i'm going out of order. this is liz cheney talking about her election, how it will be a test for the republican party. listen. >> my re-election, my primary race is a focus. you heard president trump intends to play a role in the race. i anticipate it's going to be a hard race. i anticipate it's one there will be national attention on. that's a race that i look forward to having. it's a race i intend to win. it will be very important in terms of the future of our party and the future of our republic. >> john, you walk the halls of congress every day, 24 hours a

day. is she being wildly optimistic there? >> she's popular back home. she stayed popular. trump is already -- he is targeting her. they are trying to recruit candidates to oppose her. donald trump junior has been out there, matt gaetz has been out there. they just would love to beat liz cheney. i think she will raise a lot of money. i do think this is a battle for the soul of the party. what does the republican party stand for? donald trump or does it stand for conservative values? this is the argument she's going to make. i wouldn't underestimate the name cheney back home in wyoming for her. i do think she's going to have a really tough time. >> quickly, jennifer, is she going to have a tough time? is she toast? >> she may have a tough time.

i would differ with john. i think the battle for the soul of the republican party has been waged and lost. listen, liz cheney herself cannot bring herself to oppose measures to restrain the vote to restrict the vote, john crow -- jim crow measures. the party is lost. i don't see the republican party as embracing the democracy in any meaningful sense. >> we will talk about -- we have a clip of liz cheney talking about voting rights. i will play that on the other side and get donna to answer -- to respond. don't go anywhere. this conversation is too good to end just ciing panel when we come back. e back okay, it's an app that compares hundreds of travel sites for hotels and cars and vacation rentals like kayak does for flights.

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as promised, here is liz cheney talking about these voting laws. have a listen. >> you don't see any linkage between donald trump saying the election is stolen and then republicans in all of these state legislatures rushing to put in place these restrictive voter laws? >> i think you have to look at the specifics of each one of those efforts. i think if you look at the georgia laws, for example, there's been a lot that's been said nationally about the georgia voter laws that turns out not to be true. >> what was the big problem in georgia that needed to be solved

by a new law? what was the big problem in texas? what was the big problem in florida? these laws are coming all around the states. what are they solving for? >> i think you have to look at each individual state law. i think what we can all a -- >> you can't divorce them from the context. >> i think what we can agree on is that what is happening right now is really dangerous. >> donna, what is happening right now is really dangerous, if you were to hear that out of context, you would think she's talking about these voter suppression laws around the country. instead, she's actually, in this instance, carrying water for donald trump. or am i hearing this wrong? >> no, you are not wrong. i think this is the rubbage that liz cheney has. she is trying to have it both ways. on the one hand, talking about the rebuilding of the republican party and that her election is

part of that. but on the other, continuing to basically endorse the big lie in the sense that all of these laws didn't just come out of whole cloth. they came as a response to the big lie. i just don't think that she can have it both ways. if she's talking about going to the republican party of old, the republican party of old did support voting rights. bipartisan efforts in the house and senate. i just think if she's going to have to decide which lane she's traveling in, and there's -- when you travel in the middle lane, you are going to get run over. >> john? >> yeah. i would echo what she said. i think -- look at what happened in texas. it's unbelievable they are doing this in the middle of the night. they are doing this without committee hearing. they are jamming a bill through.

they kicked out reporters. if they were interested in doing this the right way, they would do it the right way. this is the dichotomy inside the party right now. even if you don't like trump republican party, you think something fishy happened in the election, i mean -- there wasn't -- they are not -- trump did a horrible job during the pandemic. he was bad at the day to day of being president. whatever you say, he was not a good president. the reason he lost is because there was fraud or people who shouldn't have voted voted, we know that's ludicrous. i think this is a problem across the country. it has to be resolved somehow. we are going to -- i think we are going to see more of this. >> jennifer, let me get your reaction real quick. then i have to squeeze something in before we are out in two and a half minutes.

>> liz cheney needs to understand that you don't support one form of anti-democratic behavior that is voting restriction at the same time that you are opposing violent insurrection. both are anti-democratic measures. both are unamerican. you do have to be consistent. the republicans right now are anti-democratic in every sense of the word. lower case d. to the extent she's part of it, she's part of the problem. >> as i have mentioned several times on the show, i interviewed vice president kamala harris friday. we talked about a lot of things, george floyd justice in pleading act. we also talked about tulsa. the fact that she met with two of the survivors of the tulsa race massacre, as she described it, viola mother fletcher, who is 107 years old, and and the vice president said, and her

younger brother, hugh, who is 100 years old. you see the picture there. the vice president said, they were extraordinary in terms of their grace and dignity and the depth of their pain that they carry. she talked about how she remembers -- she's talking about mother fletcher, talked about lou she remembers so well hearing the crowds as they were approaching and they lost everything. congresswoman edwards, earlier in the show i was talking to senator coons who is there in tulsa. he talked about how even right now in that state, there are people who are so afraid of history, our history, that they are legislating against teaching it. how important is it? why is it so important that we talk about tulsa and not forget tulsa? >> i think it's important that we not forget tulsa because pull is a was not an isolated incident. i'm from north carolina.

i remember the history of rosewood and the massacre that occurred there. this was a strategy to eat at black people and black businesses. i want the testimony of these two amazing people -- i was riveted. i was struck by their continued pain 107 years with this pain. 100 years. i just think it's important that we continue to lift up this part of our history as painful as it is, because we are doomed and have been over the last century repeating some of the same mistakes. >> we will have to leave it there. thank you all very much for coming back. i got a chance to speak with vice president harris.

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in the last election. then harris pointed out the grim reality that has taken place since all those good things happened. she said there are more than 360 bills to restrict voting. it's worse than that. according to this snapshot released the day the vice president and i talked there are now more than 389 bills being considered in 48 states, including texas, which is on track to approve new voting restrictions. for harris, the reason for this is clear. she said, we have to recognize that there are certain people that are threatened by the power of the people, harris said. senate majority leader chuck schumer called out those certain people. >> republican state legislatures seizing on the big lie are conducting the biggest assault on voting rights since the beginning of jim crow. >> he said this after the

republicans succeeded in filibustering the bill that would have created a commission to investigate the january 6 insurrection that sought to overturn the 2020 presidential election. that this happened on a bill that should have been unanimously approved is shameful. but, what happened was instructive. we are now pretty certain that republicans won't help provide the 60 votes needed for much of anything that will come their way. not the american jobs plan, not the american families plan, the george floyd justice in policing act, i'm still holding out hope for that one. but s1, i'm not so sure. schumer announced that this senate will vote on the for the people act in june. good. by then a few other more important pieces of legislation will have been blocked by the

minority, which should clarify a couple things for the american people. the gop will not save voting rights, and the only way to do so is to blow up the filibuster. it is important that voting rights be safeguarded for all americans. as vice president harris told me, a democracy is its strongest when all the people participate. it is weaker when people are eliminated from participating. right now our democracy is weak. if saving it, reviving it, means blowing up the filibuster to pass s1, then do it. failure to do so is to give up on our democracy. if you're senator willing to give up on our democracy or a senator unwilling to save our democracy, then may god have mercy on your soul, assuming there's one left. i'm jonathan capehart, and this has been the sunday show. sundaw .

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this is the entire history of tulsa right here. green wood, murder, arson, looting. one thing i find interesting right above that, reconciliation and shaking hands, and everything's okay now. that's not the case. in america, you can sometimes convince yourself that the nation's legacy of trauma and