Abe Lincoln is our cousin?
(from Stiehm-Burton Family)
Connects to Stouts
Not sure how big of a bet I’d place on this, but evidence is accumulating that Abe Lincoln, 16th President of the United States, may be our cousin.
A book by James Pindall Stout 1819-1903 and Burthena Shackelford Kemble 1824- 1908: Their Ancestors and Descendants Kemble Stout, 1975, contains (on pages 279-283) a long quotation from Richard Stout Descendants in West Virginia by Russell R. and Olive M. Stout which says:
“The three daughters of Richard and Penelope were married early to men of the same or neighboring communities. Mary, the oldest daughter, married Judge James Bowne of Portland Point. It was their great granddaughter, Hannah Salter, who married Mordecia [sic] Lincoln the great grandfather of Abraham, President of the United States.”
The website, Famous Kin, says:
The genealogy of Nancy Hanks has always been a controversial one with scholars debating the various theories since research began shortly after Lincoln’s death. Even members of the Hanks family and reported cousins of Lincoln could not agree on it.
Of the various theories that have evolved over the past 150 years, only two were believed by Lincoln scholars to have the possibility of being correct. Now DNA evidence has identified which of those theories is correct.
Going on, the site states:
The ancestry of Abraham Lincoln’s mother Nancy Hanks has always been somewhat of a mystery. For over a century, historians and genealogists have repeatedly made claims that they have finally solved the mystery of Lincoln’s mother, and that everyone before them was wrong. They claim to be able to “prove the truth!”
All of these theories regarding Nancy’s ancestry have been “documented” mainly through circumstantial evidence and oral traditions. There are very few primary documents remaining. The one thing that can be proven about Nancy’s origins is that no one can prove the truth, at least not yet.
The Hanks DNA Project at Family Tree DNA just announced the results of their Nancy (Hanks) Lincoln mtDNA Study. The results appear to be conclusive that Nancy Hanks’s mother Lucy was indeed a daughter of Ann “Nancy” (Lee) Hanks, wife of Joseph Hanks. It appears that this issue has finally been put to rest and Abraham Lincoln’s ancestry on this site will be changed to reflect this latest news. You can read more about this at Family Tree DNA.
The lineages of Lincoln and our family would be:
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Lincoln’s line is:
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Our Line is:
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That would make Lincoln our 7th Cousin 3x removed. If I get time, I’ll see if I can confirm elsewhere.
Oh, and if the lineage is correct, we may be related to Tom Hanks.
Other connections from the Kemble Stout book include:
A claim that Daniel Boone may also be a cousin. “Richard and Penelope’s son Jonathan and his wife Anne Bollen were the 2nd greatgrandparents of Daniel Boone.” That would make a second connection to Boone. (See The man behind Dan’l Boone – Great Uncle (6x) Michael Stoner )
Finally, the book claims that Zebulon Pike may be related. “The husband of Alice Stout, the second daughter of Richard, was John Throckmorton. Dr. John E. Stillwell, who wrote an early history of the Stouts, was a grandson of Alice. The third daughter of Richard, Sarah, became the wife of John Pike. It was of their line that Zebulon Pike, 1779-1813, American general and explorer was descended. He found in 1806 Pike’s Peak, and then pushed on to California. Tradition says that when General Pike went west to Colorado he had two or three Stout boys with him.”
(For more on Penelope Stout Prince, see also: Penelope Kent: “Case of a stranger, remarkably saved among the Indians” )
(For more famous ancestors see: Famous Distant Relatives. There, one of or relatives is assassinated President James Garfield. [I wonder if there is a link to McKinley?])
I’m related to Lincoln by blood my maiden name is salter Hanna salter is related to my grandpa William Henry salter the 2nd just not sure how I have not gotten that far yet
Hello
My name is nanci malone
I descend from the hanks and the
Burtons. I you tell me , which burton line you descend from. The hanks,
I belong too, william quaker hanks
Thank you
Nanci
Your line from 1-4 is also my line as well. Captain Benjamin Merrill and Jemima’s daughter Penelope is my next line. It would be nice to connect with you. Also, my father is a McCrary and I think Phebe is also in my tree (not direct line). Thank you in advance.
-Amanda McCrary
Stout and James Bowne are a parallel line
But Mordecai Lincoln married his brother, Captain John Bowne’s granddaughter
My mother told me years ago she’d been told she was related to Mary Todd Lincoln; I have done research that says I’m related to Penelope Stout.
Ancestors
Mom
Grandma Iva 1919-2001
Isaac V Wamsley Jr 1875-1930
Isaac V Wamsley Sr 1836-1908
Isaac Wamsley III 1798-1868
Isaac Harvey Wamsley Jr 1778-1825
Isaac Harvey Wamsley Sr 1735-1825
Revolutionary War Veteran
Leah Stout Wamsley wife 1742-1820
Daughter of
Dr Jonathan Stout 1704-1775
Richard Stout 1678-1749
John Stout 1645-1724 Middletown NJ
Son of Richard and Penelope..
Elizabeth Crawford Stout wife 1650-1730
Ayshire Scotland
Daughter of
John Crawford 1618-1698
12th Lord Patrick Crawford 1580-1649
11th Lord William Crawford 1560-1644
10th Lord Patrick Crawford 1530-1560
7th Lord Thomas Crawford 1505-1541
6th Lord James Crawford 1470-?
5th Lord Robert Crawford 1435-1513
4th Lord Archibald Crawford 1389-?
3rd Lord Thomas Crawford 1350-1401
2nd Lord Reginald Crawford 1317-1358
1st Laird Reginald Crawford 1283-1358 Fought at Bannockburn 1314 along with Robert the Bruce and received Lordship for his services.
Hugh Crawford ? -1319
Sir Reginald Crawford of Loudon 1255-1297
Sister Margaret married Alan Wallace, mother of Sir William Wallace
Thank you so very much David Bagley! So to confirm, if we are descendants of Richard and Penelope Stout, we are descendants of William Wallace’s Mother?
If you are descended through the first son of Penelope, John.. aloha.. nice to meet you..
This so cool I have just started reaching my ancestry and have found so many corrections to some awesome history my 9th great grand father and 9th great grandmother were: Richard Stout b 1615 m Penelope Van Prince b 1620.
I am related to Lincoln via Penelope van princes and Richard.. my line is as follows
Richard Stout b 1615 m Penelope van prince b1622
David Stout b1667 m Rebecca Ashton b 1672 or 1673
Free gift Stout b 1693 m Mary Higgins b 1699 or 1700
Isaac Stout b 1740 m Mary Quincy b 1745
Isaiah Stout b 1773 m Catherine Kennedy b 1773
Elisha Stout b 1803 m Rachael b 1809
Theodore Stout b 1843 m Delia Conover b 1864
Harvey Emery b 1883 m Dorothy Stout b 1887
Harvey Emery b 1905 m Margaret Gallagher Emery b 1903
Harvey Thomas Emery b 1935 m Shirley Miller Emery b 1936
Sharon Emery b 1965
My African/Native American/European mixed race grandmother is born a Salter in Southern Ohio. She was born in 1917 in Hamilton Co, Ohio. Her family ancestry ties to Virginia and Kentucky. I have all of the Lincoln’s surnames & birth locations in my DNA results to include Rockingham County, Virginia.
Alexander Herring Sr. and Margaret Hamilton Herring are Abraham Lincoln’s 2nd great grandparents as well as my 7th great grandparents. That makes us the President and I 3rd cousins 5 times removed. My Watkins family lived in Harding County, KY as did his family. Relatives of my Watkins and Gum families would have known him at New Salem, IL. He surveyed for some Gum relatives west of that village.
I travel his postal route weekly which leads to his survey point on Main Street in my hometown of Athens at the Long Nine Museum (where Lincoln and eight legislators celebrated the vote to move the capital from Vandalia to Springfield). Check for summer openings for this neat museum.
My name is Janet Sue Green Brakenhoff. I am related to Penelope Van Prncis Stout Through Their son David Stout, his son Freegift Stout and Mary Higgins, Their daughter Rachael Stout who married a Rounsavell. Their daughter Mary married a Godown , Their son Evan married a Martindale Their daughter Emmaretta married a Bailey who was my Great grandmother. This makes Penelope my 8th great grandmother Sue Green Brakenhoff
Type in “FamousKin.com” If you can trace your linage to any of the Magna Carta Sureties, then believe it or not your spouse can possibly be your cousin. Though Henry de Bohun, Daniel Boon descends from this linage. I am a descendent of Richard & Penelope stout thru Peter. Started with the stouts, Coomes/Combs, Jarboe’s, Stouts from North Carolina to Indiana, Kentucky, then to Illinois. Also, descending from a Stout Linage is Johnny Depp. It took me 17 Years before finishing the Stout line. Beern into Genealogy by accident since 1998. HI cousins
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Abraham is my 11th cousin 3x removed by way of his 3rd great grandmother Sarah Jones
My great great great grandmother was Ruhama Simmons Hanna and through her linage on Simmons side, John Simmons , her great great grandfather married Mary Hanks, whose great great great grandfather was Thomas Hanks II b. 1570 and through this I found I’m the 7th cousin, 6th removed from Abraham Lincoln, whose 6th great grandfather is Thomas Hanks II as well.
Richard and Penelope are my 9th GG’s.
Penelope van Princess 1622-1732
9th great-grandmother
Benjamin Stout 1669-1734
Son of Penelope van Princess
Agnes Bonen Stout * 1711-1793
Daughter of Benjamin Stout
Elisha Stout Blackshear 1736-1810
Son of Agnes Bonen Stout *
Susannah Blackshear 1769-1834
Daughter of Elisha Stout Blackshear
Josiah Bush 1790-1842
Son of Susannah Blackshear
Elafaire Bush 1835-1870
Daughter of Josiah Bush
Green Malcom McLain 1862-1935
Son of Elafaire Bush
Eugene Hudson”Jamie” (Huchison) McLain 1893-1976
Son of Green Malcom McLain
Grulie/ Greelie McLain 1921-1995
Son of Eugene Hudson”Jamie” (Huchison) McLain
Andrew McLain 1942-
Son of Grulie/ Greelie McLain
Brian McLain
You are the son of Andrew McLain