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See The Fire: Albums Singles And BBC Recordings 1982-1987
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Track Listings
Disc: 1
1 | Talk About the Weather |
2 | Hand on Heart |
3 | Feel a Piece |
4 | Hollow Eyes |
5 | This Today |
6 | Sometimes |
7 | Strange Dream |
8 | Happy |
9 | Beating My Head |
10 | I'm Still Waiting |
11 | Take It All |
12 | Happy (Single Version) |
13 | He's Read |
14 | See the Fire |
15 | Monkeys on Juice |
16 | Push |
17 | Silence |
Disc: 2
1 | Walking on Your Hands |
2 | Jipp |
3 | Last Train |
4 | Head All Fire |
5 | Mescal Dance |
6 | Shout at the Sky |
7 | Which Side |
8 | Tear Me Up |
9 | Save My Soul |
10 | Blitz |
11 | Paint Your Wagon |
12 | More Jipp |
13 | Chance |
14 | Generation |
15 | Spinning Round |
16 | Hold Yourself Down |
17 | Jipp (Instrumental Mix) |
18 | Cut Down |
19 | Running Fever |
20 | Pushed Me |
21 | Crawling Mantra |
22 | Hang Man |
23 | All the Same |
24 | Hollow Eyes (12" Version) |
25 | Russia |
26 | Sometimes |
27 | Happy |
Disc: 3
1 | Silence |
2 | Conscious Decision |
3 | See the Fire |
4 | Strange Dream |
5 | Monkeys on Juice |
6 | Feel a Piece |
7 | Hand on Heart |
8 | Sometimes |
9 | This Today |
Product description
Characterised by heavy drum machine patterns and cut-throat, droning guitars, Red Lorry Yellow Lorry (The Lorries to their friends) arrived on the newly developing Goth rock scene in 1981 and immediately became indie chart regulars and fan favourites. A must have for any fan of the Goth movement, or its accompanying dark and heavy sub-genres. The Lorries remain active today, and their legacy and reputation continues to grow.
Product details
- Product Dimensions : 17.5 x 14.3 x 0.79 cm; 94.12 Grams
- Manufacturer : CHERRY RED RECORDS
- Manufacturer reference : WA-27265840
- Original Release Date : 2014
- Label : CHERRY RED RECORDS
- ASIN : B00NVB0GW2
- Country of origin : Czech Republic
- Number of discs : 3
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Firstly, let's start with the good. Disc 3 is absolutely essential for any RLYL fan and is worth the price of the box by itself, and seeing as most fans will already have what's on Discs 1 & 2, that's a good thing.
What you get are three sessions, two Peel, one Janice Long, the latter of which is a revelation, having only had it on mono cassette taped off the radio for the last 30 years. The first session has the unreleased `Conscious Decision' which is actually the pick of the bunch, this when they were still a funk and sax post punk band. The second session contains an embryonic `Monkey's On Juice' and the other two songs are solid.
Now for the not so good. The caveat here is it should be a well-known fact to most postpunk collectors now, that most of the master tapes for bands signed to Red Rhino in the 80's are missing presumed destroyed when the headquarters in York went up in flames in the late 80's. So you're not going to get remasters from the original master tapes in most cases. The exception here is that their first demo tape was used as the basis for 3 songs on their first two singles and that's a good thing because it seems to have survived. Ironically and also irritatingly, Red Rhino issued both `Smashed Hits' and `Paint Your Wagon' on CD originally, and so surely it would've made much more sense to take any songs from them and re eq them instead of going back to substandard vinyl pressings. It's also possible that Gerard Cosloy who ran Homestead Records still has tape masters of `Cut Down' and `Crawling Mantra' singles since Red Rhino would've given him a copy of the master tapes for licensing.
Disc 1 is a straight reissue of the 2005 release. This means you get `Talk About The Weather' mastered from vinyl, with associated singles and b-sides. As was made known in reviews back then, the mastering of some of these songs is appalling being taken from different and in some cases significantly worse vinyl copies than those that appeared on the `Singles 1982-87' collection.
So I'm going to go track by track on this release and give you the definitive RLYL song version source, where asterisk means taken from vinyl:
Disc 1 Talk About The Weather
1. Talk About the Weather *
2. Hand on Heart *
3. Feel a Piece * (best version is on Smashed Hits CD)
4. Hollow Eyes *
5. This Today *
6. Sometimes*
7. Strange Dream *
8. Happy *
9. Beating My Head (Original Version)
10. I'm Still Waiting
11. Take It All * (best version is on Smashed Hits)
12. Happy (Single Version) * (best version is on Singles 1982-87)
13. He's Read * (best version is on Smashed Hits)
14. See the Fire * (best version is on Singles 1982-87)
15. Monkeys on Juice * (best version is on Smashed Hits)
16. Push * (best version is on Smashed Hits)
17. Silence * (best version is on Singles 1982-87)
18. Hollow Eyes (12" Version) *
19. Russia * (actually just `This Today' played backwards)
So what's missing?
The superior rerecording of `Beating My Head' from the `This Today' 12", which you can only find on the `Smashed Hits' CD, and the shorter 7" version of `Hollow Eyes'.
Now onto disc 2 which contains some significant errors. All tracks are taken from vinyl which is very annoying considering the album tracks plus a couple of singles could've been mastered from the original PYW CD released by Red Rhino in 1987.
Disc 2 Paint Your Wagon *
1. Walking on Your Hands (best version is on PYW Red Rhino CD)
2. Jipp (best version is on PYW Red Rhino CD)
3. Last Train (best version is on PYW Red Rhino CD)
4. Head All Fire (best version is on PYW Red Rhino CD)
5. Mescal Dance (best version is on PYW Red Rhino CD)
6. Shout at the Sky (best version is on PYW Red Rhino CD)
7. Which Side (best version is on PYW Red Rhino CD)
8. Tear Me Up (best version is on PYW Red Rhino CD)
9. Save My Soul (best version is on PYW Red Rhino CD)
10. Blitz (best version is on PYW Red Rhino CD)
11. Paint Your Wagon (best version is on PYW Red Rhino CD)
12. More Jipp (identical to `Jipp (Instrumental Mix)')
13. Chance (12" version)
14. Generation (best version is on PYW Red Rhino CD)
15. Spinning Round (best version is on PYW Red Rhino CD)
16. Hold Yourself Down (This is actually `Spinning Round (Crash Mix)' not `Hold Yourself Down')
17. Jipp (Instrumental Mix) (this is identical to `More Jipp')
18. Cut Down (12" version)
19. Running Fever
20. Pushed Me
21. Crawling Mantra
22. Hang Man
23. All the Same
So what's missing?
Well firstly `Hold Yourself Down' is not here, this error stems from the incorrect track listing for `Singles 1982-87' from 1994 where the same error was made. I guess nobody listened to it during mastering and corrected the mistake. The 7" version of `Chance' (same length song but the drums sound very weak) is not here which can be found on the original `Paint Your Wagon' CD, nor is the live version of `Shout At The Sky' from the `Crawling Mantra' EP. The 7" version of `Cut Down' is on `Smashed Hits' the version here is the longer 12" mix.
So on balance is it worth getting? Yes because you need those BBC sessions, you can ditch your copy of `Talk About The Weather' as it's identical to Disc 1, but you need to keep your old Red Rhino CD's of PYW and Smashed Hits, and Cherry Red's `Singles 1982-87' if you want the best available digital versions of these songs.
Maybe one day we'll get the definitive editions without errors and omissions, until then ....
Just a shame it's another cheap cardboard slip case collection. My heart always sinks when a CD set arrives and it's in these horrible cardboard 'pretend record sleeves'. They look cheap. They feel cheap, it's a pain actually getting the CDs out of them and they will end up scuffing the surface of the disc over time.
I'm pretty eco conscious. I get the argument of less plastic, but surely there must be a less terrible alternative to your standard plastic jewel case than these cruddy things.