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Hi All,

The Yahoo Groups outage continues, preventing us from exporting group messages. For now, I have disabled the ability to create new transfer requests, and have posted a note on the Yahoo Group transfer page telling people to not upgrade their group to Premium until the outage is over.

I don't want people upgrading their groups and then us not being able to do the transfer.

Thanks,
Mark
Ann Goodspeed
 

How about those of us that upgraded to premium yesterday so we could do the transfer?

Ann Goodspeed

On Nov 23, 2019, at 12:22 PM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:


Hi All,

The Yahoo Groups outage continues, preventing us from exporting group messages. For now, I have disabled the ability to create new transfer requests, and have posted a note on the Yahoo Group transfer page telling people to not upgrade their group to Premium until the outage is over.

I don't want people upgrading their groups and then us not being able to do the transfer.

Thanks,
Mark
 

On Sat, Nov 23, 2019 at 9:29 AM Ann Goodspeed <Goodspeedanne@...> wrote:
How about those of us that upgraded to premium yesterday so we could do the transfer?

Hopefully Yahoo will fix the outage. If they don't, I will of course refund your charge.

Thanks,
Mark 
 

Mark,

My block has both an old yahoo group (started by someone other than me) and a groups.io group that I started about 4 years ago. The yahoo people would not budge and join the new group until recently, when some of them started to realize that yahoo might actually go down. Still, many of them won’t join the new group because all they care about is the mailing list functionality. My question: Is it now the case that more of yahoo groups is dysfunctional than prsviously announced - i.e., is the mailing list functionality also down or degraded at this point?

Thanks for any info.


On Nov 23, 2019, at 9:21 AM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

Hi All,

The Yahoo Groups outage continues, preventing us from exporting group messages. For now, I have disabled the ability to create new transfer requests, and have posted a note on the Yahoo Group transfer page telling people to not upgrade their group to Premium until the outage is over.

I don't want people upgrading their groups and then us not being able to do the transfer.

Thanks,
Mark

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Hi Mark,

Does this “free up” some of your time to consider some “system” tweaks?

In particular, I’d REALLY like to see a “Select all” option for the members display.  It is an unreasonable and unnecessary waste of Owner/Moderator time to have to plod through 1000+ members manually checking twenty at a time to make bulk adjustments.

One of my Moderators suggested that, for groups migrating over, there is no “need” to have to “approve” the first message sent out by people who have long belonged with no spam problem.  I know I (and probably most other Owners) checked the box to require this, but with the benefit of 20-20 hindsight, it is inappropriate to subject members of no spamming threat (and my Moderators) to such inconvenience that serves no valid purpose.  Would be nice to have a way to make a bulk adjustment of all such members to “unmoderated” (or other status).

Best!

WRB

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On Nov 23, 2019, at 11:21 AM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

Hi All,

The Yahoo Groups outage continues, preventing us from exporting group messages. For now, I have disabled the ability to create new transfer requests, and have posted a note on the Yahoo Group transfer page telling people to not upgrade their group to Premium until the outage is over.

I don't want people upgrading their groups and then us not being able to do the transfer.

Thanks,
Mark
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Gerald Boutin
 

I can't say about what does or does not work on your old Yahoo group, but I made a new group on Yahoo after the October 28 deadline to monitor Yahoo falling apart. It had been mostly working up until today, including online posting and uploading files and so on.

All that is left now is the mailing list functionality. Surprisingly, at least to me, emailed posts are still also showing up online, although you can't reply or post online. Anyway, this is pretty much what they had threatened for October 28th. Looks like they gave a few extra weeks.


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Gerald
 

Will the December 1 cut off date for transfers be postponed if Yahoo! hasn’t fix their problem by then?
 

On Sun, Nov 24, 2019 at 8:20 PM Myron Walters <mwalters999@...> wrote:
Will the December 1 cut off date for transfers be postponed if Yahoo! hasn’t fix their problem by then?

Well, we're kind of cut off right now as it is. I will keep trying and if things improve, I'll process what we have and make a decision then.

Thanks,
Mark 
 

Thanks Mark for working on all this!  Gesine
 

J_Catlady asks:
> My question: Is it now the case that more of yahoo
> groups is dysfunctional than prsviously announced -
> i.e., is the mailing list functionality also down or
> degraded at this point?
 
J -
I can offer my experience for what limited value it is. One group I belong(ed) to, and which we were copying to groups.io, simply ceased to exist according to Yahoo about November 7th. It showed up in my Yahoo groups list for another couple weeks, but now no longer exists there either.
 
The lesson I'm drawing from all this is that Y! is incapable of keeping such a system operating and their word means nothing. At this point I don't expect anything viable to remain of Y! groups after a year. They took a system that worked well and was still drawing attention and slowly ''fixed it'' until it was completely broken.
 
Dano
 
 

We upgraded to premium last week and groups.io accepted our moderator request on Friday, November 22, 2019 telling us you  all would keep us posted (and to expect a delay etc.).

How do I find out if we are part of the group that is now in limbo? The only message I see on our group page is in the easy group transfer request and it says not to upgrade premium because of the outage (we already did this though).

Appreciate all of your help!
Ahlam
Ann Goodspeed
 

I’m in the same boat. 

Ann Goodspeed

On Nov 25, 2019, at 10:12 AM, manager@... wrote:

We upgraded to premium last week and groups.io accepted our moderator request on Friday, November 22, 2019 telling us you  all would keep us posted (and to expect a delay etc.).

How do I find out if we are part of the group that is now in limbo? The only message I see on our group page is in the easy group transfer request and it says not to upgrade premium because of the outage (we already did this though).

Appreciate all of your help!
Ahlam

 

On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 7:12 AM <manager@...> wrote:
We upgraded to premium last week and groups.io accepted our moderator request on Friday, November 22, 2019 telling us you  all would keep us posted (and to expect a delay etc.).

How do I find out if we are part of the group that is now in limbo? The only message I see on our group page is in the easy group transfer request and it says not to upgrade premium because of the outage (we already did this though).

If your group hasn't been transferred yet, you're in the same boat.

I was able to transfer 4 groups last night during (an apparently brief) window of Yahoo working ok. But then Yahoo started erroring out again. I will continue to keep trying.


Mark
 

We've been archiving the two groups we submitted on Friday 11/22, as a back, just in case! But as you said Sun 11/24 and Mon 11/25 it has been very temperamental with time-outs and repeatedly asking for logins. Since about 7pm EST today Mon 11/25, it seems to have settled down somewhat and we are proceeding well. Hopefully you are finding the same!

-A
 

Mark,
I was able to add one of my other email addresses to one of my Yahoo groups. I did this by checking the box to add only to email list.  It sent an invite to my AOL which I accepted.  Then I promoted New Member Me with the AOL address to Moderator.I
I do not know if it makes a difference but the AOL address is already in another group using a YahooID and has been a moderator in this other Yahoo group.

If getting access is the problem with Yahoo transfers, I think you can use this.  Only the way to add the new member has changed. Everything else worked the same.

Have group owners check the box for the add only to email option and 
the invite will go through so your team can accept it.

Hope this helps.  My groups are already transferred, but I am concerned for others.

Janis
 

On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 6:29 AM Janis <jhurstartist@...> wrote:

I was able to add one of my other email addresses to one of my Yahoo groups. I did this by checking the box to add only to email list.  It sent an invite to my AOL which I accepted.  Then I promoted New Member Me with the AOL address to Moderator.I
I do not know if it makes a difference but the AOL address is already in another group using a YahooID and has been a moderator in this other Yahoo group.

If getting access is the problem with Yahoo transfers, I think you can use this.  Only the way to add the new member has changed. Everything else worked the same.


The main issue is with archives. Crawling the archives either times out, trips the rate limiter, or returns a server error. A secondary issue apparently is that people are having difficulty sending invites.


Mark 
 

Morning All

@Mark - is this issue likely to be affecting all facets of Yahoo!Groups data access? Like Janis I've successfully transferred by most critical (largest/most active) group, however I have about 5 others that have had no meaningful activity for a couple of years (or more in some cases) so I haven't bothered transferring them. Instead I am using the PG Offline app to download all the files, photos, member detail and posts - and I have found this erratic over the weekend, in some cases reporting there are no files or photos to download when I know there are and it has done it successfully for other groups. The app works fine so I have been suspecting some transient issue on the Yahoo! side, and your post seems to confirm this.
 

To paraphrase a  very old article in the once great Datamation Magazine,l
Yahoo's Board has consistently "snatched defeat from the jaws of victory"!

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Bob Bellizzi
 

Mark,

I've managed to use the Yahoo API to download the files, photos and member list for two groups that I was aiming to transfer. I'm currently downloading the messages for one group. I'm using a modified version of the IgnoredAmbience Yahoo Group Archiver - my modifications make it more reliable! I hope that, by the end of the week, I'll have all the messages in both raw and HTML format as JSON files along with the message metadata (also JSON). The members list is also in JSON, as is the metadata for the files and images.

If I manage to get everything will it be possible to transfer it to Groups.io? Or do I need to get the messages into mbox format? Happy to pay for premium membership for the two groups concerned.

Thanks
Peter
 

On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 1:34 PM Peter Harrison <peterrh@...> wrote:

I've managed to use the Yahoo API to download the files, photos and member list for two groups that I was aiming to transfer. I'm currently downloading the messages for one group. I'm using a modified version of the IgnoredAmbience Yahoo Group Archiver - my modifications make it more reliable! I hope that, by the end of the week, I'll have all the messages in both raw and HTML format as JSON files along with the message metadata (also JSON). The members list is also in JSON, as is the metadata for the files and images.

If I manage to get everything will it be possible to transfer it to Groups.io? Or do I need to get the messages into mbox format? Happy to pay for premium membership for the two groups concerned.


The messages would have to be in mbox format (specifically mboxrd as referenced by the wikipedia entry). But I'd need to see what the messages look like before saying whether they could be imported, because I'd need to see if the full headers were downloaded, and if the character encoding was done correctly. Preferably, Yahoo gets its act together and fixes their message issue before December 14 so that we can do normal group exports.

Thanks,
Mark 

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