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R.I.P. to all the girlies who preordered the album without the bonus tracks. The Capitalist Queen strikes again.
Do her fans know she’s looking at em purely like “🤑🤑🤑” and nothing else or they don’t care or??? They can’t all be too young to really notice/think about how she blatantly encourages parasocial shit for money, like come on lmao
I feel like most of her fans are millennials.
She also markets a lot for younger gen z. Hence why her music has never evolved. Her hardcore millennials will stick around but her music is catered for younger people
Except for that one time, when she evolved from a being a country artist.
She does the same thing to them everytime she releases an album and they don't seem to pick up on it. Or care. Just burning money to line her pockets.
don’t know if it’s me or what but personally truly do not understand how money is such a motivating factor at the level of wealth she’s at :( how much do you need? how do you sit on your pile of excessive wealth and bleed your fans dry? it’s especially egregious knowing that her audience skews young and that (regardless of age) they all have far far far less than she does. does she not feel gross?
They think its a quality.
Was talking to a friend who, well doesnt qualify themselves as a Swiftie but whatever.
She said like « i find it so impressive like, shes been through so much misogyny to get to that level, shes worked so hard wow shes even a Billionaire now ! »
This. I met a hardcore swiftie from my Bookclub and she was like “She’s the kindest person ever with the most beautiful heart and she’s been through so much”. The projection and delusion is real.
Like how can you say this about someone you don’t know personally. Ugh!
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The delusion 😂. What misogyny has she been through? 😂 And am I the only one who doesn’t like the album name. Tortured poets department? It’s so dumb
“You’re telling me I have TWO NEW ALBUMS TO BUY!? Omg, what a deal”
I preordered the vinyl in a moment of weakness and am a bit annoyed now lol :/
I just truly think she’s such a bad lyricist. I swear to god I’m being gaslit by everyone on this.
I’m from a country where she’s never been big and I only started hearing her songs in tiktok snippets… I was flabbergasted seeing people praise her lyricism like what in the wattpad
Same. I'm from Nigeria, my only exposure to Swift songs has been snippets from Instagram. I gave one a listen and was....honestly dumbfounded. The way her fans raved, I was expecting the female American version of Hozier.
when you expect female Hozier but get music that sounds like 2016 Hillary Clinton made it
We were just chilling In Cedar Rapids
Dead heat of summer we Pokémon Go to the poles
Where do you live? Edit: that sounds creepy af, I’m curious about the general region I thought she’d be popular somewhat globally
I am unfortunately from Russia
Lmao, like with that "where do you live?" you could've been ANYONE (a stan waiting to stab them in an alley)
She's very popular in the states, AUS, LatAm and Western Europe.
She is not as renowned in other countries - in Eastern Europe people tend to really focus a lot more on other artists.
“What in the wattpad” has me rolling with the accuracy
Extremely effective gaslighting tbh lmao Doesn’t it just make you feel insane. And she can hold a note but her overall singing abilities are so lacking compared to her (Black especially 😘😁👍🏾) contemporaries and people are just….pretending that’s not the case?
Taylor is literally proof white mediocrity trumps POC talent almost any day.
She’s just….usually flat. Which hey I’ll give it to her, it’s better than being sharp!
she can’t sing or write. like genuinely what are people hearing when they listen to her?
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. She’s like cilantro. And most of this subreddit has the gene that makes her taste like soap.
She can sing on note. Her voice isnt BAD. I mean, its okay. Her lyrics are again, okay.
Can i see someone with this talent becoming famous ? I mean sure. But to that POINT ? Crazy to me. I really dont see what the Swifties see. I doubt she would have reached this level if she were a minority or from a not rich family
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: before the internet, I don’t think she’d have done this well. The internet makes it much easier to get the music out to more people.
Begging the kiddos to listen to Bob Dylan or Leonard Cohen or Jeff Buckley or Sinéad O'Connor or Fiona Apple, or if you want (more) modern, then look up Tamino or Hozier or Paramore/Hayley's solo stuff, or Ethel Cain, or literally anyone else. Hell if we're going modern and woman in pop to be extra super fair about it, listen to Ryn Weaver or Weyes Blood.
The thing about Taylor is that she IS a good songwriter, but for a pop singer. She is just okay when comparing her to the greats, such as Bob or Leonard. Which is fine on its own, and I consider Pop to be as valid as any other genre so it isn't about that. But her fan's demand for everyone to consider her among the greatest makes it plain obvious that she isn't. And again, that's fine, lyrics aren't the end all be all of music and plenty of singers get by without so much as a scribble of their own thoughts, but her fans act like she's the only one to ever write her own stuff and it's a bit ridiculous.
Adding Joni Mitchell, Neko Case to your excellent list.
Adding Carole King and Janelle Monae to this list.
These are some exceptional recommendations.
Bro, they always say "go listen to folklore" or whatever. I did. It's bad to me. Now what?? I was jamming to Love Story, but even as a kid, her music sounded juvenile. But I'm not her target audience, so maybe that's it. Her target audience eats that shit up. She might as well be printing money at this point lol.
SAME BESTIE. Like folklore and evermore are her same songs, just wearing a veneer of folk/ballad production.
It's not the golden calf they make it to be.
I like some of her songs, but I found Folklore and Evermore soooo boring. (But I do like her colabs with Bon Iver).
And can I add Tracy Chapman and The Cranberries to the list of recommendations?
she desperately needs an editor. all her lyrics are way too wordy, she never lets her music breathe, every song is like 4 minutes of talk singing and every line goes on for 2-3 words longer than it needs to be
Thank you! I feel like I’m taking crazy pills. The line “even statues crumble if they’re made to wait” drove me insane because no they don’t??? There are statues that have been around for hundreds of years? And are you calling yourself a statue, Taylor? My god.
But in all these comment sections people were just saying “wow she’s so poetic”
I think she was good (esp. for her age) when she started out. But I don't think the work has grown with her - I think it's gotten more interested in one liners to get quoted on X and it disrupts the flow. There's kinda an interest in being "clever" when I feel like her work was best when it felt sincere.
I agree with this assessment. I think she has some literary talent but now she's prioritizing cleverness over resonance and she's making the choices I would have made in my freshman or sophomore year in university where I valued that over the craft.
yeah I'm relistening to 'Mean' right now. And look it's not poetry, but it doesn't have to be - because it's a pop song, not a poem. And it just feels so truthful in what it's trying to communicate.
God just the name of the album...The Tortured Poets Deparment... sounds like something from a fanfic about a character named Ebony Dark'ness
What give it away?
“Everybody is a sexy baby”
or
“Karma is a cat purring in my lap”
or
“Hey what you doing with a girl like that”
or
“She’s better known for the things she does on the mattress”
or
“You so dope don’t overdose”
or
“I was an old cardigan under someone’s bed, you put me on and said I was your favorite”
or
“Now we’ve got bad blood, you know it used to be mad love”
or
?????
Those are her lyrics? That she wrote? Not good. Not good at all. None of it makes sense
She has some basic literary talent and I feel that I encounter a swiftie everyday that insists that she's a lyrical genius because of it. I'm not trying to be elitist because I understand that not everyone has an interest in literature or haven't encountered it early in life and so on but like read some poetry.
It's so funny, I just saw the kids on SM insinuating this album is just so SMART and she must have cracked open the Oxford dictionary, and the words used aren't particularly difficult? Three syllables? Holy shit, she's a literary genius.
The thing that gets me is that she actually COULD be good if she had some more education and exposure to good poetry and lit. If she had taken some college creative writing classes, she'd be better at honing in on consistent themes and the like.
But she'd also have to take criticism from her peers and that's not going to happen. She's in her JK Rowling era lyrically.
I was still, up until like an hour ago, convinced the leak was not real because it was so lyrically cringe
Someone on my feed was hoping it was AI. I'm like, nope. It won't be.
It’s the monoculture. I don’t think her fans like or listen to other music, so her lyrics seem deep and meaningful. I’m also convinced that critics are being paid for glowing reviews.
It’s so funny because she has a feature with Florence + The Machine in this album and even ON HER OWN SONG, Florence eats her up, like bits and all. Girlie can’t even hold her own in a song SHE WROTE. 😭😭
i think some of her lyrics can be amazing(folklore) but god damn does she write some cringe along with it. its so hit or miss.
Her lyrics are never sophisticated or surprising, at most they are fun. But what annoys me is this game of 'easter eggs', where her songs are meant to be about someone famous.
There are so many good artists out there whose music and lyrics are just artistically good, while hers are just entertaining by being a kindergarten level puzzle.
Up until reading this thread I genuinely thought her fans knew she makes cringe music but she’s a guilty pleasure and her stans get dopamine hits from being part of a cult. But now you’re telling me that they believe Miss “sometimes I feel like everybody is a sexy baby” is a brilliant lyricist? Really????
It's either catchy but simple pop song, take a common idiom and lazily play on words, or ultra cringe into another dimension
I knew you were trouble when you walked ennnn, sooo shame on me nhooowww. Ain’t that deep? That didn’t get ya?
I think when she was younger, the early albums were considered good for her age, but as she’s gotten older nothing has changed so yeah… it’s not good! I still listen though 😂
Has anyone listened to it? Is it more embarrassing lyrics about Matty?
Atp I am kinda worried for Travis because almost ALL of these songs are about how she fantasises about that dirty rat of a man.
Which tells a lot about her.... YIKES.
No fr she literally says in so many words that if HE didn’t break up with HER, she’d have gone on ignoring what everyone and her own fans said about him and all his, ahem, antics. She is truly worse than I even thought.
To me it's so funny how she basically came clean about the values she holds, attacked her own fans that have supported her and defended her - she milks these people dry, uses them to attack her exes and stuff she dislikes but then she claims that they are fake... ok bestie.
I’ve been thinking about that all day long. Sir, your gf just put out an album she wrote about some nasty dude she was fuckin for a few weeks and got dumped by right before y’all got together and you’re cool?
It is a lot about him absolutely.
What an embarrassment.