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Interesting and notable descendants of the main leader of WWII

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u/Thundorium avatar

Politician, politician, politician, politician, politician, politician, politician, politician, politician, 🎷, politician, politician, politician, politician, politician, politician, politician, politician

Missed the Buddhist antiquarian.

His daughter Alessandra was also a musician. She has one J-Pop album called Amore.

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Interesting! It deserves a second part with the head of states of those countries, plus the leaders of more minor participant countries (Poland, Bulgaria, Yugoslavia...)

The funny thing is titos(yugoslavias leder) grandsons name is joška which means boob in slovenian

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Randolph Churchill died in 2010 but became a member of the House of Lords in 2022? Seems like there must be an error there. Or do they have some kind of posthumous membership?

u/darthtowne123 avatar

Yes that was a mistake, I forgot to change the informatiom in the box after copy and pasting the template from his cousin. My mistake

Makes sense. Still a cool chart though!

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They don’t a life peerage in the lords is until death

That’s what I thought - I’m guessing the death in 2010 is the mistake

Yes and his name isn’t Randolph Churchill , it’s Nicholas Soames

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u/darthtowne123 avatar

EDIT: Under the Churchill tree his grandson through Mary Soames is not named Winston Randolph but rather Nicholas Soames and he was born in 1948 and is still living. Made a mistake when reusing boxes

Story: when Nicholas Soames was very young, he ran into Winston's bedroom at Chartwell. "Grandpapa, is it true that you are the greatest man in the world?" "Yes. Now bugger off."

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“Why yes, we are related to THAT Mussolini”

u/darthtowne123 avatar

She’s very much a proponent of her grandfather and his legacy so you’re not wrong lol

Still less fascist than our Prime Minister

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u/EugeneTurtle avatar

I noted a small error, the Mussolini chart isn't fully connected

u/darthtowne123 avatar

Oops youre right

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Interesting thing, Churchill was actually twice offered a hereditary peerage (once by George VI, again by Elizabeth II) but turned it down so as to not interfere with the political career of his eldest son… who only outlived him by 3 years 🤣

u/Malagoy avatar

Mussolini's daughters: become politicians

Italians: nervous sweating

worryingly popular politicians btw

u/NameTak3r avatar

uǝddɐɥ uɐɔ ʇɐɥʍ ʍouʞ plnoɥs ʎǝɥʇ

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中華民國萬歲! 蔣介石大元帥萬歲!

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looking at the comments, there seem to be a good few minor errors here. I think you should probably fix those up and repost? Especially the frequent issues with dates and the low resolution

One of these people has beef with Jim Carrey.

I’m from the area that Stalin’s daughter defected to, and people still talk about her today.

Look at all that nepotism. Capitalism sure does reward people for hard work huh, just a coincidence every single one became governors or politicians or leaders.

My compadre in Christ, this is mostly not nepotism. Nepotism is EXPLICITLY the act of granting an advantage, privilege, or position to relatives or friends in an occupation or field. So Vasily Stalin and Heinz Hitler’s positions are probably nepotism.

But winning election to a public office cannot be nepotism. The electorate chose this is person for office. Is banking on a famous last name tacky but beneficial? Yes. But they didn’t receive these offices as grants from their relatives. They still had to win an election to them. And in the case of Italy, you’d think being a relative of Mussolini would actually hinder ones chances. And finally, all of Roosevelt’s descendants and de Gaulle’s descendants began their political careers after their famous relative had already died. You can’t receive political patronage from a deceased individual.

But winning election to a public office cannot be nepotism. The electorate chose this is person for office. Is banking on a famous last name tacky but beneficial? Yes. But they didn’t receive these offices as grants from their relatives. They still had to win an election to them. And in the case of Italy...

  • Oligarch of the Republic of Venice discussing why La Serenissima never suffered the nepotismo of the Holy See, 1638.

Ah yes, because the election of the pope, easily influenced by the cardinals appointed by the previous papacy, limited to at most a couple hundred individuals who could be easily located and bribed and influenced prior to the 18th century is at all comparable to the free and open elections with universal suffrage that would involved tens if not hundreds of thousands of mostly average people for the position of a mayor or a seat in elected assembly in the last one hundred years or so.

Are you familiar with the concept of being disingenuous? An idiot? Or a fucking waste of oxygen?

Ah yes, because the election of the pope, easily influenced by the cardinals appointed by the previous papacy, limited to at most a couple hundred individuals who could be easily located and bribed prior to the 18th century

Why are you so angry? I pointed out that your argument wasn't inherently true and might require deeper thought with a silly joke.

free and open elections with universal suffrage that would involved tens of thousands of mostly average people for the position of a mayor or a seat in elected assembly in the last one hundred years or so.

Jim Crow existed well beyond 1924. Other systems and policies of voter suppression exist.

That's surface level.

That political dynasties even still exist in a country that has hundreds of millions of people is suggestive of a reality that your suggestion isn't so.

You're not gonna convince me you feel that strongly about the superiority of the Venetian system to the Papal system without convincing me that you're a very heretical Venetian oligarch.

Are you familiar with the concept of being disingenuous

No. Tell me what that means, please.

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u/M_F_Gervais avatar

Mary Soames date of birth is 1892 and not 1992…

No, it isn’t. Mary was born in 1922.

u/darthtowne123 avatar

You are correct, misclick on my part

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u/Brilliant_Group_6900 avatar

More like Tojo and Konoe

u/darthtowne123 avatar

I was originally going to do one of the two but decided Hirohito was more interesting as Tojo didn’t really have any notable/interesting descendants and Konoe only had one (his grandson)

u/Brilliant_Group_6900 avatar

But Hirohito was just a figurehead (despite having more authority than other fascist monarchs)

u/darthtowne123 avatar
  1. If I hadn’t chosen him the chart would be less interesting

  2. I’m of the belief that he was more involved than is usually believed as a lot of his involvement was covered up by American and Japanese officials out of pragmatism

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