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Zack Snyder's Rebel Moon: Part Two - The Scargiver - Review Thread

Review

Rotten Tomatoes:

  • 16% (58 Reviews)- 3.6/10 average rating

  • 45% - Audience Score

Metacritic: 36/100 (21 Reviews)

Reviews:

DEADLINE

Zack Snyder’s Space Opera Descends Even Further Into A Black Hole Of Nothingness: Slow-motion scenes that sputter story pacing? Check. Poorly developed characters? Check. Plot holes bigger than the Milky Way? Check.…And we’re back, with part two of Zack Snyder Netflix space opera Rebel Moon-Part Two: The Scargiver You might be shocked to hear this, but part two manages to somehow be worse than part one. It’s biggest crime? Nothing happening for way too long

Variety :

‘Rebel Moon — Part Two: The Scargiver’ Review: An Even More Rote Story, but a Bigger and Better Battle. The second chapter of Zack Snyder's intergalactic epic is every bit as derivative as "Part One," but the climactic showdown sizzles. And guess what? It may not be over.

The Hollywood Reporter:

‘Rebel Moon — Part Two: The Scargiver’ Review: Zack Snyder, Netflix, Rinse, Repeat

If you thought the previous installment was all build-up, you may be distressed to learn that the follow-up is…a lot more build-up. Although this time it’s a little faster-paced and leads to an extended battle sequence comprising roughly the film’s second half. It’s hard to tell, however, since Snyder employs so much of his trademark slow-motion that you get the feeling the movie would be a short if delivered at normal speed"

IndieWire (D)

The Second Half of Zack Snyder’s Sci-Fi Debacle Is Almost as Disastrous as the First. Any real hope for the second part of Snyder's Netflix epic has been dead since last December, but it's still shocking to discover just how lifeless this movie feels.

IGN (4/10)

The second part of Zack Snyder's Rebel Moon space opera, The Scargiver, delivers a half-baked conclusion to a well-trodden story with flimsy character studies and lacklustre action.

Guardian (3/5)

Rebel Moon almost certainly didn’t need to be two multiple-cut movies. It probably could have gotten by as zero. But as a playground for Snyder’s favorite bits of speed-ramping, shallow-focusing and pulp thievery, it’s harmless, sometimes pleasingly weird fun. (That said, the first part is better and weirder.) The large-scale pointlessness feels more soothing than his past insistence on attempting to translate Watchmen into a big-screen epic, or make Superman into a tortured soul. Even Rebel Moon’s shameless attempts at serialization – The Scargiver essentially ends with another extended sequel tease, this time for a movie that stands a decent chance of never happening – feel freeing, because they excuse Snyder from the uncomfortable business of staging an apocalyptic showdown, or, worse, imparting a mournful philosophy. The whole bludgeoning enterprise is so daftly sincere, you could almost call it sweet.

San Francisco Chronicle (5/10)

Does its conclusion make up for the gluten overload that was most of “Rebel Moon”? Well, the series’ not-at-all-original theme is redemption, so that depends on whether you’re in a forgiving mood or sufficiently wowed.

Independent (2/5)

The Scargiver is at least basic enough to feel relatively inoffensive; the first film’s uncomfortably vague deployment of racist and sexual violence has been reduced to a single reference to the empire’s hatred of “ethnic impurity” (never to be picked up again). There’s a heck of a lot of religious imagery – including an ironically Christ-like resurrection for Noble and a troupe of evil cardinals – that never actually impacts a single plot point or theme. Of course, Snyder may argue that this is all covered in some spin-off book, comic, or video game. Or maybe in the six-hour cut. But what fun is a film that tries to force you to consume more content? That’s not art. That’s blackmail.

Collider (3/10)

Not only does neither part of Rebel Moon work, but The Scargiver is such a downgrade that it could prove difficult for the franchise to bounce back for more. The story narrows itself so comprehensively that it scrambles to reach for a dangling thread in a forced closing conversation. That Snyder has expressed his interest in making not only another film but instead a potential six movies in total may excite those who also appreciated his earlier work. For those who have now seen these two, it feels more like a threat rather than a tease.

Empire (2/5)

Marginally better than Part One, but still a weird, messy and humourless sci-fi that gives you little reason to cheer the potential continuation of this Snyderverse.

Telegraph (UK) - 2/5

But nothing here or in the previous instalment will make you give the slightest fig who wins. Yes, the world of Rebel Moon is richly imagined, even if its origins as an aborted Star Wars project still remain far too obvious. In place of storytelling, though, it’s built on unwieldy lore dumps: we’re given hundreds of details about this galaxy far far away, but no reasons to care about any of them.

Slashfilm - 4/10

Snyder once again displays his usual knack for crafting the occasional breathtaking visual and colorful splash page — a kiss silhouetted by the Veldt equivalent of magic hour, a spaceship foregrounded by an eclipsing star, and a stunning tableau of lasers crisscrossing in the heat of battle are memorable highlights — but his insistence on serving as his own director of photography continues to hold him back at every turn.

Release Date: April 19, 2024

Synopsis:

Rebel Moon — Part Two: The Scargiver continues the epic saga of Kora and the surviving warriors as they prepare to sacrifice everything, fighting alongside the brave people of Veldt, to defend a once peaceful village, a newfound homeland for those who have lost their own in the fight against the Motherworld. On the eve of their battle the warriors must face the truths of their own pasts, each revealing why they fight. As the full force of the Realm bears down on the burgeoning rebellion, unbreakable bonds are forged, heroes emerge, and legends are made.

Starring:

  • Sofia Boutella

  • Djimon Hounsou

  • Ed Skrein

  • Michiel Huisman

  • Doona Bae

  • Ray Fisher

  • Staz Nair

  • Fra Fee

  • Elise Duffy

  • Anthony Hopkins

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u/-NeilBeforeZod- avatar

It's got both Daario Naharises

u/____Quetzal____ avatar

I'm seeing double here! FOUR Daarios?!

u/Dota2TradeAccount avatar

This is up there for my favorite Simpsons jokes of all time.

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Dennis Reynolds: "TWO Daarios?"

u/JumpedUp_PantryBoy avatar

A- are either of these Darios on uh uh U.S. SOOIiilll?

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u/illaqueable avatar

I'm glad both the good one and the other one are getting work

Wait, which one was the good one?

u/icemannathann avatar

I think Huisman is a better actor but Skrein was more unique and closer to the books

Skrein always looks sketchy as fuck lol.

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u/illaqueable avatar

Yea

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And weirdly Euron Greyjoy and Uncle Benjen at the same time.

u/Xisuthrus avatar

so four Daario Naharises then

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Is it Naharises or Naharii?

Or Daarios Naharis?

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u/BobWentToMars avatar

On the rotten tomatoes page for for this film I got recommend a film called Hundreds of Beavers. I feel like that's the best thing that has come out of Rebel Moon for me.

u/RoleplayingGuy12 avatar

Hundreds of Beavers is actually an incredible movie if you can get used to the low special effects budget, I highly recommend it. It has a lot of passion and creativity behind it.

I was surprised at how many beavers were in it

Was it hundreds?

God I fucking hope so.

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If there are more than 999 I'm gonna be pretty pissed

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Same. At first, I was like "surely there can't be any more beavers in this movie!" And then....and then they did it. Those sons o'bitches actually pulled it off!

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Hundreds of Beavers is batshit insane. It’s the closest thing we’ll ever get to a live-action Looney Tunes cartoon.

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u/Chipsahoy523 avatar

Hundreds of Beavers is, unironically, my favorite film of the year so far. I genuinely think it’s one of the funniest things I’ve seen in years, and I would highly recommend checking it out.

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Hundreds of Beavers is a movie that has no right to be as good as it is, on paper it sounds like a shitpost and in a way it is, but it has phenomenal pacing and execution of its gags. Very stylized and funny and well worth your time, one of the best comedies of the last ten years

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u/Logan_Yes avatar

I am shocked, shocked! Well not that shocked.

u/Mr_smith1466 avatar

No, but guys, the 6 hour R rated cut is gonna make it a good movie.

u/dudleymooresbooze avatar

CUT THE SNYDER RELEASE!

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A Snyder movie being good would be more shocking than getting green in roulette.

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In the earlier days of his career he looked like quite a promising up and coming director. The Dawn Of The Dead remake was excellent and one of the better horror remakes I've ever seen, 300 was a hit and Watchmen for me personally is a classic. And this is where I think a pattern emerged, as long as he only directs and someone else takes care of the writing (in Watchmens case basically Alan Moore for the most part) the film usually turns out OK.

I enjoyed Sucker Punch and Man Of Steel on the sense that while neither of them were what I would describe as great they were entertaining on their own merits. Everything since then however has basically been a complete misfire. Since the internet went alight with demand for the Snyder Cut of Justice League I think his ego has inflated to cathedral like proportions and made him believe that he's not only a God tier director but that people also want 4 hour long cuts of all of his films.

I wanted him to succeed with Rebel Moon, I really did, but fuck me part 1 was so bad that I don't know if I'm willing to part with nearly 3 hours of my hard earned free time to entertain the notion that part 2 might be ever so slightly better.

I wanted him to succeed with Rebel Moon, I really did, but fuck me part 1 was so bad

I like Sci fi and the news about what Snyder was doing got my curiosity. I'm always open for a new Sci fi franchise to add something to the genre, but after the trailer of the first film, my expectation went to none. Haven't seen it yet because I have a ton of shit on my to watch list and something thar looks like AI generated Star Wars meets Warhammer isn't appealing enough.

u/Flexappeal avatar

It is so fucking godawful there almost aren’t words for it. DEFINITELY watch it. Get a little high and laugh at a really really bad movie for 90 minutes

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The Dawn Of The Dead remake was excellent and one of the better horror remakes I've ever seen

Thanks James gunn

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u/PurpleSpaceNapoleon avatar

I wanted him to succeed with Rebel Moon, I really did, but fuck me part 1 was so bad that I don't know if I'm willing to part with nearly 3 hours of my hard earned free time to entertain the notion that part 2 might be ever so slightly better.

If it's any consolation, he's planning four more Rebel Moon sequels so maybe he'll get better with time

Hot damn it's like a shitty sci-fi novel series at this point.

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I agree with your comment. I haven't seen part 2 yet, but man, does he need to be cut down a bit and earn his way back. I really enjoy his films, but he needs to go back to filming basics and focus on the story and not CGI.

He needs to do what Blomkamp and Del Toro did, go back to getting very reduced filming budgets, and direct a couple of those to earn his way back to a $200 million budget. Nolan did Oppenheimer for half that budget and was very successful against a blockbuster competitive release.

I have heard it said that there are only a few directors can walk into a studio and ask for $200 million budget and get it. Nolan, Scott and Cameron. Zack is nothing near these skilled directors. Stop giving him big budgets.

I think he 100% started huffing his own farts after all of that “release the Snyder cut” bullshit from justice league resulted in an army of dedicated (but massively deluded) fans that would be happy to watch a film about him shitting in a paper bag. He, without question, needs his fucking slow-mo privileges revoked

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And Zack! You’ve got that brain thing.

u/YanHoek avatar

I already did!

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r/SnyderCut is on Suicide watch

That sub actually bans anyone that says anything less than praise. I saw someone call Sucker Punch an 'okay movie' (it is hot trash) and got banned.

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They will defend it

u/Fastnacht avatar

Literally right now there is reviews on there that are like "people just don't understand Snyder" and "I don't get all the hate, it's a deconstruction of the genre". No dude, it's just bad. The writing is hack, it's the same story as a million other story wise, like beat for beat predictable. There is no further subtext to it other than the subtext that all those other stories have already established.

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u/Ill-Coconut8237 avatar

The major issue I have with Rebel Moon is Zack Snyder seems to be oblivious to the fact that people have watched other Sci-Fi fantasy before.

Take that little arc with Jimmy the robot in the first film. As soon as he turned up wearing those flowers on his head, you knew he was going to turn on his masters and shoot them. Why? Because you've seen this trope a million times.

There's no narrative tension in any of these films because we've all seen Seven Samurai, Star Wars and the countless variations of the story told countless times before that we all know it means nothing.

u/zero0n3 avatar

It’s like he knows the ingredients, he knows the recipe, and even the steps…

But his meals always come out tasting like shit even though he’s following the cookbook…

That's because he likes to slow cook the sht out of everything for far too long and it ends up mushy at th end.

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It also helps if your ingredients are fresh.

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Id say he knows nothing beyond the ingredients here. He has an ingredient list, knows what the dish should look like, but no understanding of how or why it goes together

he knows star wars worked by pastiching different genres into a Kurosawa movie with a side of nazi imagery, but he doesnt understand why it worked.

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That bad, huh.

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Release the Snyder Cut 2.0

u/IsRude avatar

5 hours long in 9:16 aspect ratio in black and white except people's bright red genitals which only show up in a one-shot, 8 minute sex scene with Chelsea Hotel playing quietly in the background until the song just ends and you can still hear the slappy noises as it continues for another 5 minutes and then just ends when they get bored. Then they shake hands when they go their separate ways because they have absolutely no chemistry.

Why not just show it? All of it. Throw in some crime, full penetration, crime, penetration, and go back and forth that way until it just, sort of... ends.

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u/BellyCrawler avatar

Snyder fans always hate me when I say it, but if you can't deliver a good movie within 2 and a half hours, then maybe you just can't deliver a good movie.

There are some exceptions like Kingdom of Heaven’s cinematic cut being nowhere near as good as the final director’s cut but yeah gotta agree overall

u/BellyCrawler avatar

Yeah but Ridley has plenty of good films around or under that length.

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u/adflet avatar

Just watched it. Yes, it is that bad. Some of these reviews might even be kind.

I fell asleep watching people harvest wheat in slow motion. No, I didn't dream that.

Super deadly nazis coming to kill you and you know it. Better harvest wheat in slow motion what the fuck

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u/TrueLegateDamar avatar

I wonder what multi-media mega franchise Snyder will attempt creating next.

Lord of the Rings but with sex, blood and swearing.

With all the slow-mo it would be quicker just to watch Frodo walking to Mordor in real time

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u/AlphaGoldblum avatar

Boromir drowns in a river after getting stuck and not letting anyone rescue him because orcs are watching, instead traumatizing the group for no reason.

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A DC boss just nutted somewhere and you are to blame

u/LupinThe8th avatar

Hey, what do you think Gimli does with that lock of Galadriel's hair? Just sayin'.

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u/MotherCanada avatar

The older I've gotten, the less interested and impressed I am by pessimism and misanthropy. I can understand teenagers and young 20 year olds still being enthralled by that so I understand why he has a bunch of fans. But it's just boring to me.

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u/brushnfush avatar

Starring Sean spicer as gollum

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u/onex7805 avatar
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No, it's over. Rebel Moon was his last chance. If Army of the Dead didn't kill his "auteur" status, this will.

He had the virtually unlimited creative freedom, budget, entire franchise, his own studio, and two two-hour feature films to take on such a basic, unambitious, utterly unoriginal vision, and the results somehow manage to have terrible action scenes, unremarkable set pieces, inconsistent characterizations, ugly visuals, pacing problems, worldbuilding that makes no sense, and a waterfall of expositions.

It's one thing for an auteur to do something bold and unique with a high budget and failing, like Heaven's Gate (and that's still a film where you can feel the money and artistry). It's another to be given free reign and spectacularly fail something bland as "Kurosawa in space"--stuff that's been successfully done hundred times since Star Wars.

I am genuinely not sure how he kept being given these really massive projects and so much creative control.

Like from a financial perspective sure there's some hits there but it has been quite a while and frankly there is a dead cinematic universe that tanked the reputations of multiple IPs as a warning to not let it happen again.

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u/SheevTheSenate66 avatar

I’d agree if not for the fact that he still has an entire cult rallying behind him that would defend him religiously regardless of his film’s quality

u/OneLastAuk avatar

I have not seen a lot of pro-Snyder fans defending Rebel Moon.  There were a few apologists but even they lacked energy.  This isn’t the end for Snyder, but it will be interesting to see how big of a project he is greenlit for after this debacle.