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Eleanor of Aquitaine died 1204.
We read that :
Bookbinding
Western books from the fifth century onwards were bound between hard covers, with pages made from parchment folded and sewn onto strong cords or ligaments that were attached to wooden boards and covered with leather. Since early books were exclusively handwritten on handmade materials, sizes and styles varied considerably, and there was no standard of uniformity. Early and medieval codices were bound with flat spines, and it was not until the fifteenth century that books began to have the rounded spines associated with hardcovers today. Because the vellum of early books would react to humidity by swelling, causing the book to take on a characteristic wedge shape, the wooden covers of medieval books were often secured with straps or clasps.
Maybe i'm missing something but the book she's holding has a modern rounded spine if i'm not mistaken.
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A few things:
How long after her death was this made?
Has it ever been restored?
Could it just be a flaw in the depiction of the book?
It's a perfect representation of a modern book with a curved spine would be a hell of a mistake. Let me know if you find any information debunking this sounds like you aren't denying what you see in front of you which is a good start.
Not really
I still think they are referring to the molded curved spine you see on fine leather books, this does not seem like that.
It seems exactly that. In what way does it differ enlighten us?
Regardless of what you think about it, the questions I asked are what must be answered before you can move on to thinking there's anything suspicious.
The easiest explanations must first be ruled out.
Hi! Amateur book binder here, I personally sew books onto cords ala the Medieval style. Book spines are rounded and have AFAIK always been, flat backs are more modern. What IS interesting and seemingly a bit anachronistic is the triangle formed by the open pages, which indicates the book is not glued to the spine as is done in cord sewn books, but that in and of itself could have a whole lot of explanations.
My gut would be that the artist was just doing what was the easiest and did not think anyone would notice. You see it appears that there are bands down the spine which were later copied to give books with the newer non glued spines gravitas.
I would need to do a lot more research to know what is specifically up here, but the roundness of the spine is not the indicator, the way the signatures lift from the spine is however, not what I would expect from a book in the period, based on my very limited knowledge.
Eh, that book spine could be damn near anything. Cloth cover, bunched up paper sheet.
I think rounded spine they mean the really well done rounded spine with the extra bumps for the thread and stuff. Books made with paper/parchment stuck between harder covers have apparently been around since 300ad.
Are you blind?
Wh are you not accepting any other explanation? Are you just looking for validation?
What explanation? I haven't seen anyone give any evidence explaining this anomaly so forgive me if i continue to find it strange. Why are you so quick to accept these unfounded "explanations" backed by nothing but speculation.
Well, this user gives a thorough explanation and you just dismiss it.
What is more likely? That books then did look similar to books now, even if they used a different binding method, or that she holds a modern book.
And I am not blind.
Seems to me you haven’t provided a decent explanation just a theory with no evidence
nope.
8th century
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Cuthbert_Gospel
This clearly shows an inverted spine as apposed to the book in my post with a rounded spine.
This "inverted spine" is due to the spine being glued to the text block, which as I noted is what you would expect to see.
Could the description of a rounded/flat spine refer to its shape when the book is closed? Surely, the spine would fold inward or bulge out when the book is opened, regardless of its shape when closed. You might want to research the Carolingian method of book binding to see if it matches this depiction.
Nah, couldn't be that. Must be that she was a time-travelling, retconning alien, right? /s
so, what am i missing?
Critical thinking ability and logical reasoning, mostly
And you seem to be missing evidence.
Tell me you’ve not studied archaeology without telling me you’ve not studied archaeology 😂
Modern? I don't see any smartphone??
/S
Cover of her tomb could have been re-cast (or re-sculpted, whatever) at a later date due to damage, etc. Nothing to see here.
Do you have evidence of that?
No but I am an archaeologist by profession and am specialized in ancient sculpture. I wouldn’t be surprised if the cover was recommissioned at some point, but who knows. You’d have to talk to the local historians or dig around at the local university and find masters or doctorate work on this piece in particular. I guarantee the outcome will be a lot less exciting than you think it might be.
What does being an archeologist have to do with it? I haven't found any evidence of it being recommissioned everything points to it being original. It's rather strange for there to be so many people in this thread who are willing to assume it was recommissioned without any evidence for it.
Because it is a much more reasonable explanation than time travel
I think the solution to your problem lies at the location of this tomb and might even be mentioned in a placard on the wall next to it. Have you been there? If so have you spoken to the lead historian?
I would take the history of books you're reporting with a grain of salt. Eleanor's rule was one of the most enlightened in Europe and northern Europe was intellectually more advanced than southern Europe despite what the lies told during and after the Renaissance.