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There are so many people on tiktok who are basically blaming this poor girl, saying that “it’s part of the culture” and by attending shows you’re taking on “the risk……”
AS IF THE SINGER DIDN’T BLATANTLY BREAK THE LONG-ESTABLISHED VENUE RULES OF NO STAGE DIVING?! AS IF ANYBODY EXPECTS A 6’6 MAN TO ESSENTIALLY BODY SLAM THEM FROM 2 FEET AWAY?!
On the first song too! Who stage dives on the first song? He didn't warn them, didn't look into the crowd, just jumped
Nobody is expecting a performer to crowd surf on the first song🤦♀️
I saw Iggy Pop and he jumped into the crowd within 15 seconds.
He weighs 37 pounds.
They made him play in the rain?!?
Alice Cooper doesn’t call him Skeletor for nothing.
Edit: got a Reddit Cares message for this. Y’all are doing too much. 😭
Nah bro he just caught a breeze and went with it
The bloke was always high.
Are you sure there wasn’t just a strong gust of wind?
He's just a passenger.
He's literally Five Foot One and he's even got a song by the same name.
If there’s one thing tiktok doesn’t seem to grasp it’s what actual concert etiquette looks like
The way they'd defend screeching at ungodly levels at the eras tours because "they paid to be here" and having no consideration that the people beside and around you also did shows that yeah, TikTok has no clue about concert etiquette.
Most of them are too busy TikToking or grifting to go to actual shows.
Edit: Well I got my first care package. 😂
This is why I'm so glad I didn't get my sister tickets for Eras and we went to see Olivia Rodrigo instead, yeah the crowd was loud but you could actually hear her during her songs.
Also I had ear defenders on the whole time so that helped a lot. No tinnitus for this lady.
There were a shit ton of people filming tiktoks but for the most part it was a chill time, even the pit wasn't too bad.
I saw Boygenius in Columbus last year, and this annoying ass person was next to me SCREAMING “skip” whenever Julien was playing her solo stuff. I love TikTok but it’s made certain concerts more of a hassle to go to.
That is insanely bleak, hope it didn’t ruin the larger experience for you :(
Thankfully for the most part, no. I mainly go to hardcore/indie/hip hop shows. People that go to these are mostly super chill and there for the music. I do work concerts though, and the nights with the most drama/people passing out are always the TikTok stan groups.
I've had tickets to see Julien twice, and both times she had to cancel. If that person was in a crowd with me, I would have lost my shit.
I think Julien has the smaller indie fanbase of the 3, so hopefully her solo shows are different.
I went to a Julien Baker concert in San Diego, November 2021, and there was a girl next to me who kept shouting things like “YASSS MOMMY” and “YOU’RE A LESBIAN ICON!!” I went there alone and was having a very emotional reaction to the music (I mean, you don’t exactly dance and jive to JB’s music). I was at the barrier and this girl kept hugging me and crying into my shoulder and there were a few times where Julien looked right at me—I felt so ashamed and concerned that she might think I was voluntarily there with this person. I did try to calm her down but I have extreme social anxiety and the fact I went there at all was a huge deal for me. I ended up leaving early because I was so overwhelmed by her behavior.
See: Mitski's latest tour. So many people kept making tiktoks of them screaming dumb cringy stuff at Mitski while she was preforming, even though she's spoken out and made it very clear that she doesn't like it.
I do love the video where someone screeched “MOTHER IS MOTHERING” and everyone groaned in response. Like, come on.
Hahaha that was one of the few highlights out of the whole dumbshit discourse. I hope that was a wake up call for anyone who thought that crap was acceptable to do during a concert.
This isn't even a stage diving type of music. There are not enough people crammed up front to even begin to support him.
From what I've heard they have more teen girl fans and are.not your typical hardcore band who expects this type of behaviour at shows. Add in the dude being a fucking monster at 6'6 and godamn what an idiot
So she's responsible for taking on the risk because it's part of the culture, but a dude who is probably in the 98th percentile for human size isn't responsible for even looking where the fuck he's jumping when he's launching himself at a crowd of people?
Apparently stage diving had been banned there since 2011 and there are signs all over warning bands not to do it.
Literally every venue says crowd surfing isn't allowed. When fans do it, and security pulls them down, the game just go right back to the crowd. If it really wasn't allowed, the fans would get kicked out.
I'm sure it's really convenient for these places to claim they have rules in place and never enforce them, but still get to point to the signs when something goes wrong.
I'm sure the family would be able to find countless examples of crowd surfing not actually being punished at this venue, which shows that's it's not actually against the rules.
Stage diving and crowd surfing are two different things. I've been to a lot of gigs where people get lifted up to be crowd surfed to safety because they are struggling to stay safe in a mosh pit (mostly smaller people when it becomes too packed). I think it's fair to allow those people to stay in the venue afterwards. Stage diving is a performance and poses a much bigger risk due to the momentum.
Big difference between crowd surfing and launching yourself on top of people.
No. I can’t tell you how many venues of various sizes I’ve played in and I spent over a decade putting on rock shows at lots of venues and several years booking a festival and maybe some venues “say” it’s not allowed but don’t enforce it, but the vast majority of venues I’ve been in do not have signs like this up. Signs and notices in the booking email are not the same as an unspoken rule or unofficial etiquette. In general, bigger venues that are run more professionally do enforce rules — I’ve seen plenty of attendees kicked out for breaking rules of varying severity — but incidents like this can only be enforced after the incident had already occurred, obviously, which could entail stopping the show and kicking the band out immediately, or banning them from future shows (along with any partner venues or promoters), or not paying them (if they had a booking contract for this show and this rule was in there, the band would be violating the contract). At a 1100 cap venue I did a lot of shows for (and played at several times), there was always security at the front row, side stage, entrance/exit, all balcony areas, etc, and they would not hesitate to throw you out, guest or artist.
Of course there are always places that don’t enforce rules, and even more places that don’t enforce every single rule they have (obviously some rules are easier to forgive than others — “no stage diving” exists as a rule at a venue because someone got hurt before), and obviously not every staff member is equally vigilant, but in my experience it just isn’t true that “literally every venue” has clearly posted “no stage diving” signs as well as “no stage diving” in emails to artists/agents at all, much less thoroughly communicating that rule several times and then intentionally failing to enforce it. As an artist, when a venue bothers to mention a rule like that in your booking emails, you take it seriously, because otherwise, you won’t get booked there or by that booker again.
It’s so stupid. I’m sure they would care if it was them who got injured. I’ve been going to punk shows since I was 16 and back then I thought it was lame if things were banned but all it takes is one person to fuck it up. Got slammed into by someone from the opening band trying to start a pit in a crowd of like 20 people a couple of months ago and have nerve damage on my knee now. Really makes me hesitate to go to certain shows.
It’s so tragic what happened and I can’t believe someone thinks a giant man jumping into the crowd is “part of the culture.
He broke her neck and injured her spinal cord. She can only move her arms now. If that's the cost of doing business then maybe some things need to be reconsidered
And apparently she/they (I’ve seen both by commenters, but I’m not sure what Bird prefers) had recently gotten into running :( It absolutely breaks my heart.
And people are actually defending the band saying that she should've expected this like wtf. I just read this
Me when I'm trying harder than a politician to be disingenuous
I'm tall. So, I've always hated stage diving and crowd surfing. Nothing is more awesome than repeatedly getting kicked in the back of the head while trying to watch a show. I got to the point where I'd drag a surfer down or hurt them somehow to discourage repeats. I'm the kind of guy that kept his hands in his pockets while in the pit because I didn't want to hurt anyone and I was too big to knock down, even with my hands in my pockets... but if you kicked me in the head crowd surfing and you pass by again, you're going to wish you had skipped the show.
And they always talk about how they “take care of each other”.
I wonder if they'd still be talking about "the risk" if the crowd of people dispersed after he flung himself at them, making him do a hard land on the floor? Probably not 🙄
Yes, they would. This happens all the time.
It's so funny how silent things get when nobody catches.
SHE DID NOT ASK FOR A SPINAL CORD INJURY! THANK YOU!
As a woman with a spinal cord injury, I am raging and those people can go to hell. I hope they all get one 10x worse than hers. My heart breaks for her knowing she's gonna be hearing that ignorant shit for the rest of her life. I've heard my fair share too.
SHE DID NOT ASK FOR A SPINAL CORD INJURY!
And I hope she sues the fucking stage diver straight into living in a box on the sidewalk. Even THAT is too good for him.
The band donated $5000 to her gofundme
Ffs
I hope she gets a good lawyer and goes after them for medical expenses and lost earnings
$5000
I’m pretty sure she can sue them regardless because they have to be insured so she def can get a lot of money for care that way. Plus the venue. Whomever was doing the booking. Security. There’s a lot of people you could sue.
But $5000 is fucking paltry.
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Literally just destroyed his own life and someone else’s in a split second.
There are people who will find a way to excuse anything. It’s sick.
and victim blame
People who say shit like this about going to shows are the most insufferable types. For too long people have been able to gatekeep shows because it’s their own personal violence therapy.
These are the concerts I go to and I get that it's just what happens at these shows but I've never been a fan of stage diving. That just never felt safe to me.
WOW your username just brought back so many memories for me. I haven’t listened to that song in years yet still know every single word
HAHA ngl I hate that I can't change it. Wish I could've told myself five years ago that my favorite band will not be my favorite band forever and that I won't always want them connected to every reddit comment I leave.
I wish they hadn’t turned out to be such creeps like every other band in the scene, Put Up Or Shut Up was my life back then
You at least have to aim at some bigger dudes not like a 90 pound girl.
People just love to blame people(more often women) for simply existing. Because famous people are God’s and they can do no wrong apparently.
I suffered a concussion at 17 from a stage-diving accident. Guy ran on stage and jumped off, his Timberland boot slamming me in the back of the head. Shouldn’t be allowed anywhere at this point. Such a high risk, low reward activity.
It feels like they're making it needlessly unsafe at that point because why are you crowdsurfing with timbs on? Like "I'm gonna crowdsurf tonight what's going to hurt the most for the people under me?"
Most people are cruel and thoughtless and can't help but defend the powerful against the powerless. Of course if the victim was them or a friend or relative, they'd be singing a different tune. So its the usual conservative-coded "but, but I didn't know it was bad until it happened to me."
I don't know how to teach people basic empathy. I think most people who grow up in a patriarchal-capitalist society that don't make personal and serious efforts to question what they are told end up becoming horrible human beings.
Also the gender/politics angle here. The ONLY reason this is featured on the NYPost is because its a culture war/right wing paper and she has bright pink hair. Its for dudes to get their hate on and enjoying a "woke" woman is suffering.
Perfectly said.
i will never listen to tiktok when it comes to CONCERT ETIQUETTE lmao. you can literally gauge how terrible a show’s audience will be based on how popular they are on tiktok
Stagediving is stupid in general. There are relatively responsible ways to do it that reduce risk and this guy didn't do that so it's entirely his fault.
I do think people being defensive about this aren't going to care about the venue rules argument because those rules are usually believed to exist because venues don't want to get sued and are commonly ignored (though they shouldn't be. I'm not fully against push pits but the rest can go). It's much better to point out that he did it in the worst way possible and recklessly endangered people in the crowd.
How can someone so big be unaware of his weight and height that he'd stage dive and expect to be crowdsurfed? Does he not realize that most people are smaller than him?
People are trying to say all is forgiven because the band donated 5k like that could ever come close to making amends for what he did. At the start of subsequent shows he even gives a little speech saying if you can't hack it up the front then you shouldn't be there, move along. It's repulsive.
And I feel like it should be common sense as a large man to not suddenly jump into a crowd. Like at least give some warning and aim for a group of men. Dude just jumped abs hoped someone would catch him
i went to college with this girl 😭😭 she’s actually such a sweet girl 💔
I’m also an alum! She was my partner’s student. I’m shocked to see this posted in this sub but I’m glad it’s being talked about ❤️
omfg your flair 💀
I’m jealous of your flair. What a perfect moment lolll
The line in the article 'her stay in the hospital is indefinite' is heartbreaking- wishing for a miracle for her, along with all the wonders of modern medicine
we have mutuals bc im from WNY & i have heard nothing but people singing her praises it’s so sad.
Also a WNYer, this is so terrible 😞. Hoping for miracles for her.
Very important information that the lead singer is a 6'6" man who seems to have a bit of muscle on him. And he still chose to free fall onto a crowd. All around, horrible decision he made that will completely change the trajectory of her life
I hope it changes the trajectory of his life too
He has some penance to do
I hope he gets sued into oblivion.