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Ok all, I need your help on getting the following specifications on an old 12 gauge, 2 3/4 chambered, Winchester 1400 MK II. I've looked everywhere online (and in the forums) and can't find the following specs on this gun:
Winchester 1400 MK II:
Weight: ???
Length of Pull: ???
Drop at Comb: ???
Drop at Heel: ???
The only thing I can estimate is the weight is in the 7.5 to 8.0 lbs range. Any help would definitely be appreciated.
I have weighed my model 1400 ranger 12ga. 28" barrel on a digital scale, and it weighed 6.8 pounds The Rem. 1100 weighs 7 1/2 to 8 pounds. length of pull I think is 13,"I'm not real sure. drop and heel I have no ideal.
My best guess is that the DAC is somewhat less than 1.5", the LOP is "about" 14" and the weight is "about" 7 to 7 1/4 lbs. It's a dog that died an early death.
It's funny you say that, when the insides of the 1400 are identical to the super X semi and a few more none Winchester shotguns. The reason they stopped making the 1400 was they needed to upgrade the looks of the gun. The insides are no different, the 1400 has no more problems maybe less than any other shotgun. I'm not digging my 1400 out of my safe to check the butt end of the stock, it is way in the back and I would have to pull out a half dozen or more shot guns to get to it. The weight is at slackly What Winchester quoted me over the phone this was after I weighed the shotgun. 6.8 pounds for the model I have 7 1/2 pounds for the rifled barrel 24" barrel. The MK11 was heaver by a good amount than the 1400 ranger. Some friends of mine have shot thousands of rounds through the 1400 without a problem
Sorry, but the 1400/1200 series were dogs. Winchester big cost cutting experiment gone wrong. The have several parts know to fail that are unavailable; chamber throat being one. All the testimonials in the world won't change the facts. If you have one you like, and that works, I am glad for you. I have a friend who has a 1200 that he has beat to death for decades so there are working examples.
I had a friend who worked at the Winchester range where I used to shoot. They rented guns. They had a 55 gallon drum where they put the guns that broke, and then they would send them back to the factory for repair. That drum used to fill up regularly, but there were some that never broke. Winchester never had a successful semi from the time they passed on John Moses' Auto 5 until the Super X1, and even it had a buffer issue. Looks the same isn't the same.
It's funny you say that, when the insides of the 1400 are identical to the super X semi and a few more none Winchester shotguns. The reason they stopped making the 1400 was they needed to upgrade the looks of the gun. The insides are no different, the 1400 has no more problems maybe less than any other shotgun. I'm not digging my 1400 out of my safe to check the butt end of the stock, it is way in the back and I would have to pull out a half dozen or more shot guns to get to it. The weight is at slackly What Winchester quoted me over the phone this was after I weighed the shotgun. 6.8 pounds for the model I have 7 1/2 pounds for the rifled barrel 24" barrel. The MK11 was heaver by a good amount than the 1400 ranger. Some friends of mine have shot thousands of rounds through the 1400 without a problem
So you dug that dog out of the safe to weigh it, but you couldn't measure it and ask others to do that for you? Your request is a bit goofy, as is your comparison between a 1400 and a Super X. What the hell is "at slackly"? I still wonder where you are from. West Virginia?
Sorry, but the 1400/1200 series were dogs. Winchester big cost cutting experiment gone wrong. The have several parts know to fail that are unavailable; chamber throat being one. All the testimonials in the world won't change the facts. If you have one you like, and that works, I am glad for you. I have a friend who has a 1200 that he has beat to death for decades so there are working examples.
I had a friend who worked at the Winchester range where I used to shoot. They rented guns. They had a 55 gallon drum where they put the guns that broke, and then they would send them back to the factory for repair. That drum used to fill up regularly, but there were some that never broke. Winchester never had a successful semi from the time they passed on John Moses' Auto 5 until the Super X1, and even it had a buffer issue. Looks the same isn't the same.
Again, every part will and has been proven to inter change. All gun company's have teething problems with there guns. Winchester would never put there name on any gun that would down grade such a wonderful company. I'm sorry you forgot to oil your 1400 before you fired it, and did not take a small tube of oil with you to the field, so you could put a drop on your claw extractor. And or do not clean a tight fit gun every time you shoot the gun. The reason the shells drop out of the bottom is because you never oiled the magazine or piston. And the reason your shells jam, no oil in the ejector spring and piston. Much less your slides, any time you have a high dollar gun with tight tolerances and any low dollar Winchester, you have to oil all the said parts or have problems with the guns. When you have a really good gun the barrel will be just the right size or if it's to large the slug or shot will blow past the barrel. If the barrel is to small the shell will bind in the cylinder, and be slow and or deformed coming out the barrel. Do your home work the next time you bad mouth one of the best gun manufacture's in the world. They sold hundreds of thousands from 1964 to 1994 of the 1400 shotguns by the way. Again the upgrade was wall nut and different size décor for the new but no need to up grade the super X shotguns. Again do your home work first, you probably never owned a Winchester of any kind. Are you from hick town USA ? thought so. Ha!
It's funny you say that, when the insides of the 1400 are identical to the super X semi and a few more none Winchester shotguns. The reason they stopped making the 1400 was they needed to upgrade the looks of the gun. The insides are no different, the 1400 has no more problems maybe less than any other shotgun. I'm not digging my 1400 out of my safe to check the butt end of the stock, it is way in the back and I would have to pull out a half dozen or more shot guns to get to it. The weight is at slackly What Winchester quoted me over the phone this was after I weighed the shotgun. 6.8 pounds for the model I have 7 1/2 pounds for the rifled barrel 24" barrel. The MK11 was heaver by a good amount than the 1400 ranger. Some friends of mine have shot thousands of rounds through the 1400 without a problem
I weighed the gun last year not today. L@@k past the trees and see the forest, instead of can't see the forest for the trees. Calm down and smell the coffee chief
So you dug that dog out of the safe to weigh it, but you couldn't measure it and ask others to do that for you? Your request is a bit goofy, as is your comparison between a 1400 and a Super X. What the hell is "at slackly"? I still wonder where you are from. West Virginia?
Don't try to play me stupid, makes you look stupider for asking such a dumb a.s quote back. OK! do you get it Mississippi boy. I know where your from you English cup of tea and pudding slackly gave it away pudding head New Jersey acting bloke from hell. Like I said where are you from idot city England
Watch the name calling. I wasn't the one who cast aspersions on you. I was talking about the guns; not you. I was selling guns so while I got to shoot several I had better sense than to buy one. Winchester did great damage to their reputation with the 1200/1400 guns and it is widely known by plenty of people familiar with firearms. It is one of the main reasons that led to Winchester's downfall in my opinion. A pity because they did build some great guns; I loved some of the 23s and the 21 was world class.
Again, every part will and has been proven to inter change. All gun company's have teething problems with there guns. Winchester would never put there name on any gun that would down grade such a wonderful company. I'm sorry you forgot to oil your 1400 before you fired it, and did not take a small tube of oil with you to the field, so you could put a drop on your claw extractor. And or do not clean a tight fit gun every time you shoot the gun. The reason the shells drop out of the bottom is because you never oiled the magazine or piston. And the reason your shells jam, no oil in the ejector spring and piston. Much less your slides, any time you have a high dollar gun with tight tolerances and any low dollar Winchester, you have to oil all the said parts or have problems with the guns. When you have a really good gun the barrel will be just the right size or if it's to large the slug or shot will blow past the barrel. If the barrel is to small the shell will bind in the cylinder, and be slow and or deformed coming out the barrel. Do your home work the next time you bad mouth one of the best gun manufacture's in the world. They sold hundreds of thousands
from 1964 to 1994 of the 1400 shotguns by the way. Again the upgrade was wall nut and
different size décor for the new but no need to up grade the super X shotguns. Again do
your home work first, you probably never owned a Winchester of any kind. Are you from
hick town USA ? thought so. Ha!
Again, every part will and has been proven to inter change. All gun company's have teething problems with there guns. Winchester would never put there name on any gun that would down grade such a wonderful company. I'm sorry you forgot to oil your 1400 before you fired it, and did not take a small tube of oil with you to the field, so you could put a drop on your claw extractor. And or do not clean a tight fit gun every time you shoot the gun. The reason the shells drop out of the bottom is because you never oiled the magazine or piston. And the reason your shells jam, no oil in the ejector spring and piston. Much less your slides, any time you have a high dollar gun with tight tolerances and any low dollar Winchester, you have to oil all the said parts or have problems with the guns. When you have a really good gun the barrel will be just the right size or if it's to large the slug or shot will blow past the barrel. If the barrel is to small the shell will bind in the cylinder, and be slow and or deformed coming out the barrel. Do your home work the next time you bad mouth one of the best gun manufacture's in the world. They sold hundreds of thousands
from 1964 to 1994 of the 1400 shotguns by the way. Again the upgrade was wall nut and
different size décor for the new but no need to up grade the super X shotguns. Again do
your home work first, you probably never owned a Winchester of any kind. Are you from
hick town USA ? thought so. Ha!
I forgot the gas reducer has been changed for a smoother shot against your shoulder. I didn't think they could top the speed or the recoil of the 1400. Well they didn't improve the speed, but they have bettered the recoil with there new gas system. Out of all my guns rifles pistols shotguns, I have never had a problem with any of them. They just ware out and either I'll replace the parts, or I will put it a way in my gun safe. I have never bad mouthed any shotgun made, I simply love guns, all guns. A reputable guy who has been a member of this website for a long time said to me in a private email that you are a trouble maker to a lot of gun lovers on this website. I don't feel sympathy for you anymore, Since I thought it was all on me. I have my great grand fathers 1886 Winchester rifle, one day he ask my dad to throw a rock as hi and hard as he could. He never aimed, he pointed the rifle at the rock and hit the rock many times. Finally my dad said, grand daddy I'm getting tired, can we take a break. Dad said he never missed one shot. He died in 1940 he was 73 years old he gave that rifle to my dad and he past it on to me. I've never fired it or restored it.
Watch the name calling. I wasn't the one who cast aspersions on you. I was talking about the guns; not you. I was selling guns so while I got to shoot several I had better sense than to buy one. Winchester did great damage to their reputation with the 1200/1400 guns and it is widely known by plenty of people familiar with firearms. It is one of the main reasons that led to Winchester's downfall in my opinion. A pity because they did build some great guns; I loved some of the 23s and the 21 was world class.
You made it sound like it was at me? You may have liked but you never owned a Win. You and a bunch more are going by hear say. Remember most of you haters by hear say only compare a $150.00 gun to a $1000+ gun. I think that speaks for it's self. To name a few Rem. 1100 and 1187 get compared to the 1400 all the time. Now compare the same gun called Super X to the Rem. 1100 & 1187 same gun just fancy wood and a different gas action added. It's the same gun that's shoots faster and more reliable than any gun ever made to date. And at $1098.00 plus tax it should be better a lighter barrel was surely needed. As the 1400 is a bit nose heavy, the Super X gained 4oz. more weight than the 1400, still less than 7lbs but 6.12oz. Walnut is a heaver wood than balsa wood that a lot of haters say that is used on the 1400. It's not beautiful walnut with all the bells and whistles. It is a hunters shotgun a field gun that no one worries about in rain, snow, freezing weather.
I never said I never owned a Winchester, just not a 1200 or a 1400. I didn't sell hundreds of them, but I saw too many have to go back for issues of the ones I did sell. I had a 1300 for a while and I liked it okay. It broke, I repaired it and sold it.
I had a late Model 1886 and loved it; not the lightweight takedown, but the big one. Loved to ring the gong with a tang sight at 500 and even 1000 yards. But the "authentic" curved buttplate was a bear with heavy 45-70 loads, and I didn't want to invest in a custom buttstock. I was seriously considering modifying it to a large lever loop and going to 45-110 at one point. Shot better than the Marlin 26" barrel version. I had a Model 100 in 308, and it shot well with what it liked, but it was damned picky about loads. I have shot several Model 12s, mostly Heavy Ducks, that a friend who collects them owns, but I just prefer the ergonomics of an 870; nothing wrong with them. I had two model 70s, one pre and one post modernization, and they both shot well. The standard barrel 25-06 shot almost as well as my Parker Hale with the heavy barrel, and that thing was amazing. If I ever decide I need another center fire rifle a Featherweight in .280 Rem is probably the front runner. I had two model 23s and loved them both; and if they had not put a silver receiver on the quail models I would probably still have one. I even tried a Super X One for a short time. I had a 94 in 44 Magnum, and I disliked it from the get go, but it was a lot more accurate than my Marlin with that stupid twist rate Marlin uses for 44s. I even owned a Model 8 - the "widowmaker" for a short time out of curiosity. Whoever came up with that idea was really reaching.
Bottom line is if the 1200 & 1400 were decent guns, they would have lasted a lot longer than they did and they would not have earned a poor reputation among shooters. Winchester would not have lost a lot of market share and would not have been thought to be a second rate firearms manufacturer by some. These arguments generally pop up when unknowledgeable shooters own sub standard guns and either never or rarely shoot them. Even totally junk guns last forever when never shot.
I never owned a 1400, but saw several guys who quickly unloaded them. I did have experience with the 1200, as we used them in our cruisers for several years back when I was a Jedi Knight in NJ. They were not shot much and were OK due to the limited use. However, as training increased and the guns were shot more often, those 1200s started to come apart and jam often. We replaced them with 870s and 30 some years later the 870s are still in service.
Hick town? arless, are you the Mayor? Bug Tuckle, West Virginia I'd say.
I,ve Known a field hunting man is not going to hunt with his. high dollar shot gun, his light weigh hunting will be his best fit gun. I take a little tub of outers gun oil every time I go to shoot. Some seem to think I over oil not the case at all, when we all hunt together all the time.
And the very ones that snickered at me are having malfunctions all get there guns an end up at my house. to disassemble, find pistons springs overheated and shrunk from heat.. and lack of penetrating oil, barrel corroded. there on there on I told them both. I'm getting up set. Grown men that act like children. Told them both next time this happens go to the local gun smith.
I like your humor, there is a lot of truth in you rimes. What is your favorite shotgun manufacture? Do you enjoy shooting slugs. It's my favorite of all ammo of all times. I'm glade you posted this,
Winchester Super X-1 and Winchester 1400 are COMPLETELY different designs. I'd be absolutely amazed if anything more than the beads on the rib and maybe some generic springs and pins interchanged between the two models. And I'd be willing to wager any amount of money you'd like on that fact. Wood- No. Barrel- No. Trigger- No. Bolt- No. Action parts- No. Can't think of any other parts.
arless said:
The MK11 was heaver by a good amount than the 1400 ranger.
If so, it would only be due to differences in wood density. The design of the gun remained virtually unchanged beyond the design of the bolt release.
The Winchester 1400 was essentially a rip-off of the Remington 58, a design that Remington had cast aside in favor of the 1100 the year before Winchester came out with the 1400.
And yes, I have owned both a 1400, and a Super X-1.
Super X3 has even a greater design difference from the 1400. The Super X 3 is basically a slightly modified Browning Gold, and I would be surprised if even the beads interchanged b/w it and a 1400.
Super X3 has even a greater design difference from the 1400. The Super X 3 is basically a slightly modified Browning Gold, and I would be surprised if even the beads interchanged b/w it and a 1400.
I hate having to tell you this =, Take your butt down and get a 1400 and a super X 3 take them apart, mix all the parts together and put them both together. Go out and fire then both. Then that will end your disbelief, There is one piece that is different the gas relief system for a smoother lighter kick.
Even the gas chamber that's different will fit the 1400, And you are right about one thing. Winchester did use the old blue prints that Browning used way back when. Apparently you do not have a clue how much it cost a gun company to re tool a complete new gun.
Plus weeks upon weeks of testing just to make it shoot correctly. Then another endurance test to find weakness in parts and there will be many, More tooling with new stronger parts. That takes a whole lot more time, and then the parts may have to have more revised parts to be made stronger. Winchester test there guns for a consistent 5000 rounds, then and only them will they market it fit to sell. That cost millions of dollars for all that new from scratch completely new retooling for a completely new design.
If it proves it's self Winchester with sell a remake of the new tooling to the other gun manufacturers' I could go on and on about this I'll stop at that
I hate having to tell you this =, Take your butt down and get a 1400 and a super X 3 take them apart, mix all the parts together and put them both together. Go out and fire then both. Then that will end your disbelief, There is one piece that is different the gas relief system for a smoother lighter kick.
Sorry, but you could not possibly be more wrong. I'll wager any amount of money you'd like to to that end. You will not find a SINGLE part, except for possibly beads and maybe the odd pin or spring that happen to be the same size, that will interchange between a Winchester 1400 and a Winchester SX3. To quote myself:
Skeet_Man said:
Wood- No. Barrel- No. Trigger- No. Bolt- No. Action parts- No. Can't think of any other parts.
These two schematics look exactly the same to you????:
Winchester Super X 3
Winchester 1400
arless said:
Winchester did use the old blue prints that Browning used way back when. Apparently you do not have a clue how much it cost a gun company to re tool a complete new gun.
Swing and a miss again. The designers of the Remington 58, which is the design that the 1400 was "borrowed" from were L.R. Crittendon, Phillip R. Haskell, Ellis W. Hailston. The Rem 58 was to the best of my knowledge the first (or at least the first commercially successful) gas operated autoloader. JMB was long dead and buried before gas operated shotguns were created.
As an aside, the Remington 58 was an exercise in occam's razor at its finest. The designers of the 58 took the heart and sole of the Remington 870, added a couple extra parts and springs, tweaked the design of the trigger slightly, made a couple mill cuts and drilled a couple holes, and voila, a gas powered autoloader. At its core, the Remington 58 is 80%+ Remington 870. Winchester stole the same idea in creating the 1200 and 1400, the 1400 basically being a 1200 with a few extra parts and some slight design modifications. A working and function 58 can be created from an 870, and vice versa, and I would guess the same is true for the 1200 and 1400.
I think your blind and just trying start trouble there is always on bad apple every where you go. Stupidest childish thing I've ever seen on any website I have been logged on in 14 years grow up in a family that all the did was fuss and fight. You went to all that trouble to try to show me up. Now who has egg on there face, I bet you argue with your self all the time. The best thing you can do, is go fight with someone else I'm through talking at you because you can't come a cross with nothing but negative thoughts. you are the type that stands back and says hear, hear you missed a spot I should send you the real super X chart though.posting.php?mode=reply&f=3&t=176921# Oh PS. don't alter any more prints makes you look real bad
I think your blind and just trying start trouble there is always on bad apple every where you go. Stupidest childish thing I've ever seen on any website I have been logged on in 14 years grow up in a family that all the did was fuss and fight. You went to all that trouble to try to show me up. Now who has egg on there face, I bet you argue with your self all the time. The best thing you can do, is go fight with someone else I'm through talking at you because you can't come a cross with nothing but negative thoughts. you are the type that stands back and says hear, hear you missed a spot I should send you the real super X chart though.posting.php?mode=reply&f=3&t=176921# Oh PS. don't alter any more prints makes you look real bad
Sorry if you're upset for being called out, and PROVEN wrong.
I didn't alter any prints, there there for anyone to see by googling "Winchester Super X 3 Schematic" and "Winchester 1400 Schematic". The both came DIRECTLY from Numrich's website.
Sorry, but I don't have to lie and call names to prove my side of the discussion. You're the only one with egg on your face, to proud to admit it though I guess.
I'm willing to put my money where my mouth is in terms of parts interchangeability, you name the stakes.
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