Greta Gerwig: 'Lady Bird is the person I wish I could have been'
23 February 2018
With Lady Bird, her portrait of a precocious teenager, Greta Gerwig has joined an elite club as only the fifth woman in history to be nominated for the Best Director Oscar. As the film arrives in UK cinemas, the 34-year-old talks to Front Row about teen angst and blazing a trail in Hollywood.
After building an enviable reputation for her acting and co-writing work on a string of low-key indie movies, Greta Gerwig is making an emphatic move into the mainstream with Lady Bird, her debut as writer-director.
The film tells the story of teenager Christine (Saoirse Ronan), who insists on being called by her "given" name of Lady Bird ("It was given to me, by me," as she puts it). In particular, it examines her tempestuous relationship with her mother, Marion, played by Laurie Metcalf - best known to many as Roseanne's sister in the eponymous 1990s sitcom.
That last year of high school is the most vivid
Ultimately, it becomes as much about Marion accepting that her daughter is growing up as it is about Lady Bird breaking free of her childhood.
Gerwig says of the relationship: "It’s not like you stop being a mother or you stop being a daughter, but some version of it is ending.
"I felt like that last year of high school is the most vivid. To me it was the moment when all the stakes felt highest for that relationship. They could fight and it could be brutal, but underneath you knew that there was this love."
The film is set in Gerwig’s hometown of Sacramento, but that's where the similarities to her own life end. She describes her teenage years as "the opposite in a way. I was a rule-follower, I was a people-pleaser, I never made anyone call me by a different name, I never dyed my hair bright red.
"I think a lot of what I gave Lady Bird were things that I would think but not say. It was almost like it was the person I wish I could have been, but I didn’t have enough courage to do it - and then even though she’s flawed, and she makes mistakes, she’s a heroine to me."
Gerwig adds that the character of Kyle (Timothée Chalamet) - who Lady Bird has a crush on - is in fact closer to herself than the lead character. She says: "The reason I like Kyle is not because I was cool, or in a band like him - I was neither of those things - but I was like him.
"I gave Timothée all these books to read, and he was like, 'Whose notes are in all of them?' and I was like, 'Oh, those are my notes', and he was like, 'Oh... you agree with all of Kyle’s stuff!'"
I never direct comedy like it’s comedy
On her directing style, she says: "I never direct comedy like it’s comedy. I talked to Saoirse about it and at first she was like, 'I've never been in a straight comedy quite like this'. She was just nervous and I said, 'Don't play it like a comedy, play it like it's utterly serious, and it will be funny'."
Lady Bird is a milestone in Greta Gerwig’s movie career, being both her directorial debut and her first solo writing project, having previously co-written Frances Ha and Mistress America with her partner Noah Baumbach.
But Gerwig is modest in her description of her role in the filmmaking process and shies away for the term auteur, choosing instead to recognise the collaborative nature of her project.
She says: "Auteur theory undercuts how much a film is made by a group of people. And while I'm the person at the helm, I'm also reliant on them interpreting the story their own way. And that's what I love about it."
Gerwig is similarly modest about her original ambitions for the project, admitting that her decision to direct came after she had finished the script. She says: "I thought, 'You’ve gotta try! You’re never going to forgive yourself if you don’t try'. And then I took the plunge, and I was like, 'All right, I've got this script, I'm going to direct it', and I dunno – I'd rather try and fail than never have tried."
So can she make history at the Oscars next month and become only the second woman (after Kathryn Bigelow) to bag the Best Director prize? The critics have certainly heaped enough praise on the film, which famously became the best-reviewed movie of all time on Rotten Tomatoes last year, with a '100% fresh' rating. (At the time of writing it's dropped to a still-not-too-shabby 98%.)
I'd rather try and fail than never have tried
But the awards season so far has been a mixed bag. Lady Bird won Best Motion Picture - Musical or Comedy at the Golden Globes but Gerwig missed out on a Best Director nomination.
At the Baftas, the screenplay was nominated and Saoirse Ronan and Laurie Metcalf were both in the running for acting awards, but ultimately left empty-handed.
Whatever the Oscars outcome, Gerwig has created a movie that is sure to inspire more female filmmakers, and she is rightly proud of that. She says: "I know that when I was growing up, when I started looking at films and seeing that they were directed by women, it meant so much to me.
"By talking about it and being visible, hopefully someone who wants to be a filmmaker listens to me talk and then says, ‘Wait, I could do that!’ Hopefully one day it will not be notable that I’m a woman. But until it’s not notable, I’m happy to talk about it."
Gerwig still finds the success of Lady Bird a surprise, but reckons the reason for it lies in the fact that it connects with people. She adds: “It’s universal - everybody has a family, everybody has a place they’re from.”
Lady Bird is in cinemas nationwide from today.
Hear the interview
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Front Row
Greta Gerwig spoke to Kirsty Lang on 14 February 2018.
More on the film
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Saoirse Ronan on Lady Bird's appeal and her own mum
The actress speaks to BBC Radio 4's Woman's Hour.
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'This movie was made with so much love'
Greta Gerwig talks to Lauren Laverne on BBC Radio 6 Music.
Female trailblazers at the Oscars
For the first time in 90 years, a woman features in the cinematography category of this year’s Oscars. Rachel Morrison is nominated for her work on Mudbound, a film also directed and co-written by a woman, Dee Rees.
Morrison is best known for Fruitvale Station and the current box office smash Black Panther. However, she may struggle to win against fellow nominee Roger Deakins (for Blade Runner 2049) - with a history of 14 nominations and no win, the Academy may think it’s finally his year.
Mudbound has received four nominations this year - two of them to one individual. Mary J Blige is the first person ever to be nominated in an acting category (Best Supporting Actress, in her case) and for Best Original Song in the same year.
Though other acting nominees, including Jennifer Hudson, have performed a nominated song, Blige is recognised as co-writer of Mudbound's emotive Mighty River, as well as for her powerful performance as Florence Jackson, matriarch of a Mississippi Delta farming family.
Surprisingly, Dee Rees was not nominated for Mudbound in the Best Director category alongside Greta Gerwig. But, in the film's fourth nomination, Rees is the first African American woman to be acknowledged for Best Adapted Screenplay, which she co-wrote with Virgil Williams.
It remains problematic that in the year where another female director (Patty Jenkins) made Warner Bros over $413m at the box office with Wonder Woman, the predominantly older white male members of the Academy could only support one female director in the category.
Meryl Streep's skill is undeniable, and her record-breaking 21 acting Oscar nominations - including this year's Best Actress nod for The Post - and three wins are testament to that.
Only Katharine Hepburn and Jack Nicholson come close, holding a mere 12 nominations each - though Hepburn has actually won four awards.
At 89, Belgian-born filmmaker Agnès Varda has the distinction of being the oldest Oscar nominee ever. She is nominated - alongside her co-director, artist JR - in the Documentary Feature category for Faces Places, about ordinary people living in rural France.
The Academy is also honouring Varda - widely acknowledged as the mother of French New Wave - with a Governor’s award for her influential body of work. Unable to attend the recent Oscars lunch, Varda sent a cardboard cut-out of herself which was embraced by her fellow nominees.
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