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Update on the Moses' allegations post (also with receipts).

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I made this post https://www.reddit.com/r/Frenemies3/comments/vw4msc/a_few_things_on_moses_allegations_with_receipts/ about Moses allegations a while back, but there's some updates and corrections I want to make, specially concerning the timeline, so everything is as accurate as possible.

This situation is honestly extremely difficult to follow and understand, it makes me extremely uncomfortable, and I have never seen anything like this. I know there is no perfect victim, that people contradict themselves, that people deal with trauma differently, and that people process/realize things at different speeds, but this situation is very weird, unlike anything I've seen personally or anywhere else, and it does make me super uncomfortable to talk about it. This is very likely my last post on it, regardless of anything else that may come up.

For clarification sake, there are three women who talked and/or met with Moses, who have been in contact with each other since 2020, and have been talking about Moses and Trisha online and lowkey harrassing them since then:

- Mel: she allegedly runs the "Spilling Tea" accounts that has been leaking texts and posting about Trisha and Moses since 2020, the account was even mentioned by Ethan on the first episode of Frenemies. Mel is the one whose name Trisha doxxed and whom Trisha accused of being from the GuruGossiper crowd and of running the "Spilling Tea" accounts. She catfished Moses when he started talking with Trisha and never met him. She reached out to Moses via Instagram.

- Cat: texted with Moses and allegedly had a brief relationship with him. She met him through a dating app.

- Daph: texted with Moses and had one date with him on February 14 2020. After Moses debunked her allegation of being in a serious relationship with him and meeting him multiple times, she said on a Instagram live that they also had sex on Feb. 15, not just on Feb. 14, so it was technically more than once. She reached out to Moses via Instagram.

Throughout time the women have conflated each other and their stories depending on the argument they were trying to make at the moment and they have tried to create the narrative that Moses was seeing and having sex with multiple women at the same time, because of that people end up getting confused about who actually is making the accusations and how many women there are. It has always been three women, the same three women, from the start. Trisha has always mentioned three women, including on Frenemies, and "Spilling Tea" repetedly talked about three women. At one point they decided to put Cat on the background and tried to pass Daph as the ex-girlfriend, then Cat made her first post on reddit about Moses and they tried to pass Cat as a second ex-girlfriend, who was unaware of the situation until right before making the post.

This screenshot was on my previous post but I think it is a important one to make it very clear that all the women mentioned have been aware of each other and in contact with each other since at least October 2020, and that they have been lying about it since making the stealthing allegation:

r/Frenemies3 - Posted on October 2020 by "Spilling Tea"/Mel to GuruGossiper. The timeline isnt accurate, they later changed the timeline to a more accurate one, after Moses leaked his own texts disproving some of their original claims.
Posted on October 2020 by "Spilling Tea"/Mel to GuruGossiper. The timeline isnt accurate, they later changed the timeline to a more accurate one, after Moses leaked his own texts disproving some of their original claims.

Here is two examples of "Spilling Tea"/Mel showing she has direct contact with the other two women:

r/Frenemies3 - With Cat
With Cat
r/Frenemies3 - With Daph
With Daph

I dont know how this fits in, but Daph has said on Reddit that she never received a bruise pic from Moses, I dont know if she was lying on this comment for some reason, if she really never received the pic, or if she somehow forgot about receiving and leaking the picture. She and the other ones have claimed at other moments that Daph received and leaked the pics, so I dont know if the lie is in this comment or in the comments that claim she did receive and leak the pictures. Honestly, it is confusing, like most things in this situation, it's like they purposefully make things as confusing and conveluted and as hard to follow as possible:

r/Frenemies3 - Daph is the highlighted comment
Daph is the highlighted comment

The allegations have evolved a lot through time. The stealthing allegations were only made in September 2021, almost a year after the women had been in contact with each other and leaking texts.

Daph made her reddit account on August 31 2021: https://imgur.com/a/097jnD2

On Sep. 1 2021 Daph made the first stealthing allegation, she deleted it and tea channels at the time did not report on this IG story. "Spilling Tea" didn't repost it to her account:

r/Frenemies3 - Update on the Moses' allegations post (also with receipts).

The only place that was able to archive this IG story before it got deleted was this post on r/Frenemies: https://www.reddit.com/r/Frenemies/comments/pgayr5/moses_ex_has_a_qa_on_her_instagram_account_about/

And this Coilin video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3c9a43xwX38&ab_channel=Colbieu

If you compare the reel of stories with the one shown in Rich Lux's video, you can see the story was deleted and not expired, since Rich showed stories that came before that one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3c9a43xwX38&ab_channel=Colbieu

"Spilling Tea" didnt repost that specific IG story from Daph, that was deleted, but she did repost the others from that same sequence, including this one:

r/Frenemies3 - Update on the Moses' allegations post (also with receipts).

On Sep. 3 Cat made her first reddit post on Moses:

r/Frenemies3 - Update on the Moses' allegations post (also with receipts).

On Sep. 4 Daph made the official stealthing allegation, which wasn't deleted and got reposted by "Spilling Tea":

r/Frenemies3 - Update on the Moses' allegations post (also with receipts).

At an unknown date Cat edited her post to make it fit better with the stealthing allegation (on item 1):

r/Frenemies3 - Update on the Moses' allegations post (also with receipts).

This imgur entry shows more edits made to Cat's post, the edit history was mostly aquired by u/hush_my_little_baby via reveddit: https://imgur.com/a/stkKGqO

Just like the overall allegations have changed and evolved with time, the stealthing allegation also evolved, one example of that is Daph eventually claiming Moses left his guns on his nightstand to intimidate and rape her:

r/Frenemies3 - Update on the Moses' allegations post (also with receipts).

Curiously, Cat has said Moses only got his guns after a break-in to his house, which happened after his date with Daph:

r/Frenemies3 - Honestly, given everything I've seen of this situation and some of Cat's comments showed later on in this post, I'm actually very curious about this break-in now.
Honestly, given everything I've seen of this situation and some of Cat's comments showed later on in this post, I'm actually very curious about this break-in now.

Moses could've told Cat about the guns months after actually getting them, so what Daph said about him having guns on the nightstand may be true. What I find really interesting about the comment above is that Cat continued to message Moses way after getting in contact with "Spilling Tea", who was already leaking messages. To me, that is very weird and may indicate that Cat was actively trying to coax compromising material from Moses with the purpose of leaking it later on.

Recently Cat released new texts, the dates that were shown are from Nov. 2020, after she was already in contact with "Spilling Tea". Some of the texts released were these ones that talk about Moses not using condoms:

r/Frenemies3 - Update on the Moses' allegations post (also with receipts).

"Spilling Tea" has posted screenshots with messages that talk about Moses using condoms:

r/Frenemies3 - Update on the Moses' allegations post (also with receipts).

Does Moses use condoms? Does he not use condoms? I dont know, it seems like it depends on the person and relationship at the time. Did he stealth/rape someone? I also dont know, he might've or he might've not, usually I'd believe the accuser but this whole situation is super shady.

In terms of a relationship timeline, Cat has commented about going to a Christmas party with Moses, which would've been in 2019 (screenshot bellow), so, if that's true, that is more or less the time they dated, I havent been able to find her explicitly say when they started their relationship and ended it, but she has referred to the relationship as brief multiple times and she has a comment about how her taking her things from Moses house allowed for Daph to eventually go there (scheenshot bellow), the bach3lor was supposed to be with Moses and H3 annouced that on January 22 2020 on this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzjVGrSyPP0 (2:28:48) , so Moses and Cat broke up sometime between Christmas 2019 (if we believe Cat claims about the Christmas party) and January 22 2020. Moses met Daph in one occasion, on Feb. 14-15 2020, and then started a relationship with Trisha during quarentine, their first date was in March 14 2020 and their first official pic together as a couple was posted in March 31 2020 (https://twitter.com/trishapaytas/status/1245110198533906432 ). There doesnt seem to be any overlap between the women, unlike they have claimed multiple times, mostly before Moses leaked his own texts disproving the cheating claims.

r/Frenemies3 - Update on the Moses' allegations post (also with receipts).
r/Frenemies3 - Update on the Moses' allegations post (also with receipts).

Here's one example of Cat lying about Moses seeing her, Daph, and Trisha, at the same time:

r/Frenemies3 - Update on the Moses' allegations post (also with receipts).

In terms of the allegations timeline, they started in 2020 with accusations of Moses cheating on Trisha, soliciting and grooming H3 fans, having sex with multiple people at the same time, and then the rape allegations were made in September 2021. They mostly dropped the allegation of him cheating on Trisha but have mostly maintained the others.

They never showed a single shred of evidence that Moses was soliciting and grooming H3 fans; both Daph and Mel have said they were the ones to contact Moses and Cat met him on a dating app. And they lied about Moses dating them all simultaneously and lying about it to them, putting their health at risk. It is impossible to disprove the rape allegation, unless one of them admits to having lied, and, despite the other lies, they may have been telling the truth on that one, but it is weird that they would spend a year making false allegations to then make a real one.

Now that that convelutedness is over, I want to expand on another thing from my original post, which is the very creepy comments Cat has made about Trisha's whereabouts. There are more creepy comments than the ones I showed on my last post. In my previous post I showed these two comments bellow, where Cat mentions seeing Trisha driving and seeing her for long enough and from close enough to know it was Trisha and to know exactly what facial expressions Trisha was making. She also talked about knowing exactly where Trisha was headed:

r/Frenemies3 - Update on the Moses' allegations post (also with receipts).
r/Frenemies3 - Update on the Moses' allegations post (also with receipts).

Besides those two comments, Cat also has a deleted comment from Frenemies2 where she talks about receiving information from someone regarding Trisha's whereabouts. I dont find it particularly weird that Trisha would go to popular stores in her own neighborhood, but I do find it very weird that someone would be following her store to store and sending that info to Cat:

r/Frenemies3 - Girl aimed at accusing Trisha of being a stalker and landed on exposing herself as one lol
Girl aimed at accusing Trisha of being a stalker and landed on exposing herself as one lol

There is also this comment left on a post with pictures posted by Trisha of her on a parking lot, the comment gets very specific about which neighborhood and parking lot the picture was taken in, and it still somehow manages to not be the creepiest comment on the thread:

r/Frenemies3 - Update on the Moses' allegations post (also with receipts).

All these comments by Cat may be complete bullshit, all three women have been active in fueling the harassment towards Trisha for a long time now through whatever means necessary, but if they aren't bullshit and are actually true, I find that extremely concerning. And these aren't the only comments of the type Cat has made, it's only the ones that fit on the post.

I couldn't and won't list every single weirdness in the situation nor every single contradiction these women have made and lie they have told; there are too many and I really dont have the time nor the sanity to do so, just these small bits I posted were enough to make me go kinda crazy lol. But there is a lot of stuff. How Ethan and his fans have the courage to drag Morgan while hyping these women is beyond me tbh.

I was gonna write a whole paragraph on the irony of how every argument used to discredit Morgan fits much better on Moses accusers, but I already said that at the end of my previous post, so go read that one for more info on the situation and about how ironic it is that Ethan, after the falling out with Moses, started to believe these women but continues to discredit Morgan to the point of giving a shoutout to the person Morgan accused of taking advantage of her.

Special thanks to u/hush_my_little_baby who helped me a lot with these posts and who has a lot of very informative comments and posts on their profile, for those who want to keep looking into the situation. On my part, I'll put it to rest here because I get super uncomfortable with the situation and it is too conveluted, crazy, and dark, for me to talk about it without getting mentally exhausted.

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Idk how much proof people need to understand that they are clearly mentally ill and lying. Whenever I say this, here comes “SA expert and F2 veteran” to the defense. Throwing the “EVERYONE PROCESSES TRAUMA DIFFERENTLY” which isn’t an excuse for their lying and clear contradictions. That statement is so broad and shady. So is there no line drawn? They can get away with whatever they please without any repercussions or the validity of their story being questioned? Infantilizing victims is problematic. It’s time to get Daph into some counseling that she needs.

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This

Everyone does process trauma differently, but this situation is so beyond that.

I wasnt lying when i said i never saw a situation like this. Its normal for ppl to contradict themselves, for them to take some time to understand what happened, for them to want revenge, victims may even lie about one or another detail they are ashamed of or to protect someone else, etc. But this aint it, i initially thought it was but at this point there is no more excuses that can be made.

Even comparing it with Morgan, everything Morgan was accused of is stuff these women have actually done. Every argument used against Morgan actually fits into these women, so the irony really bothers me, besides everything else.

And with Morgan, the more i look into the situation and what she said and showed the more it makes sense, there is a story that i am able to follow. With these three? Its the opposite, the more i look into it the more confusing and all over the place it gets.

I have to be honest, i fell for their scheme of hiding Cat for some time and then (re)introducing her as a new accuser who didnt know about anything until then. I really did. Even then there was somethings i found a lil weird, but i do have the mentality tht ppl deal with shit in different ways so i let it slide and i wasnt really paying attention so i didnt catch their lies, but as time progressed things only got weirder and weirder and the more i looked into it the more weird things got, it was clear that they straight up lied, knowingly and maliciously, about a lot of things, so i did a total 180 and now i 100% question them.

This is a extremely weird situation, unlike anything ive ever seen. And the way these women escalate their rethoric against Trisha, to the point of Daph actually instigating ppl to attack Trisha irl, and how they normalize stalking Trisha and keeping track of her whereabouts, its really concerning stuff, for real.

I’m not saying they don’t. Let me clarify. I’m saying that the statement has been so over used and misused that it’s been twisted to suit false narratives. (This one as a prime example, see every F2 post about it). Also do victims contradict themselves and such? Sometimes yes, they do. But how many contradictions and lies have to happen before it goes from doing it because of “trauma” and doing it because of it being bullshit. (Timothy Heller being another prime example). I just wanna know where the line is drawn? for F2 especially.

I agree. There is a moment that a line has to be drawn.

And with these women its not just that they are lying about stuff, they are actively harassing and stalking the wife of the guy they accused of multiple things before settling on the rape accusation. That's another thing i find weird, i never saw an abuse victim targeting the wife of their abuser instead of targeting their abuser, at least not in the way that Moses' accusers have been doing. I've never seen an abuse victim tracking down the wherabouts of their abuser's wife. Its insane stuff, everything in this situation is insane and their targeting and stalking of Trisha is extremely worrying.

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Adding more to your post:

https://imgur.com/a/Sm2vSYl On April 2020, Cat and Moses were texting about a video he did with Trisha. Cat said that someone sent her a snippet of Trisha's video. Could that someone be Melissa?

https://i.imgur.com/iTqPhTi.jpg Cat said to Moses that she heard that he was talking to a bunch of people when his relationship started. So she was following tea channels before September 2021 and didn't accidentally stumbled upon it like she claimed on her first post.

https://i.imgur.com/2KqsLiE.jpg Cat asked Moses for the tea channel that was leaking his texts and stalking him. Again, this contradicts her initial post where she says that this was something that "just popped up on her recommended".

Rich Lux posted Daphney's Q&A and the stealthing allegation was deleted by the time he took the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgyy-oedvgI but it's still available on Colbie's video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3c9a43xwX38

I don't blame you for being confused and exhausted by this story. I feel the same myself.

Thanks for the addition!

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You're welcome! I am just noticing a few things from your post:

- Trisha and Moses had their first date on March 14, 2020. She posted their first photo together on March 31: https://twitter.com/trishapaytas/status/1245110198533906432. Trisha said that from the first moment where she made it known that Moses was with her, Daphney tweeted at her telling her to follow her if she is going to steal her man: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CN-wMZKh9cs (13:50). Daphney's tweets are the reason why she had an argument with Moses, which he later shared: https://twitter.com/Moses_Hacmon/status/1436018734846468097

The reason why Daphney didn't have the bruise pics was because by April 2020, Moses knew she was leaking information and was lying to him. He knew not to share anything with her. Catnipz didn't reveal herself as a shitty person until September 2021 so she had access to those pics.

- Moses said that they only met once https://twitter.com/Moses_Hacmon/status/1436018642848653313/photo/3 from February 14-15 https://twitter.com/Moses_Hacmon/status/1436018281316421632. Daphney said that she had a "lovely Valentine's Day " and it's a memory she will always cherish https://twitter.com/Moses_Hacmon/status/1436019007836987396. Neither mention a second date on the texts.

It seems more like they met on Valentine's Day and she stayed overnight but now she's saying it was two separate dates to make the relationship look more significant than what it was.

- Moses got the guns after a break in that occurred after quarantine started and he was already with Trisha. I don't think Daphney's detail about the guns is true.

- Moses was originally going to be the Bach3lor for the H3 Podcast. This was announced on January 22, 2020 by Ethan Klein https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzjVGrSyPP0 (2:28:48). If he was dating Cat at the time, why didn't she had an issue with him dating other women?

You're an angel. Imma update the post to make it more accurate whn i get home. Thank you so much.

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Cat would watch Trisha’s vlogs and within days be texting Moses basically interviewing him about it and coaxing information out of him. This is the same women who was “quickly over him” yet she was texting Moses more than necessary to talk about Trisha and get the bts details, much after their relationship was over. She initiated these conversations disguised as a concerned friend. She’s always kept her ear to the door, but is now pretending that she’s was a forced participant who was under a manipulative spell. Nope, she wanted the tea and Moses was naive enough to trust her with that information.

Edit: catpits will take the smallest interactions Moses had on her time with him and spin a narrative from it. First, she changes the age of the women she’s speaking about in this instance, then she makes believe Moses and the women had a whole ass relationship. This is after Moses said she wouldn’t date her. Every 20-something year old girl they walked by catpits thinks he dated them. Imma need someone to tell her 20 year olds are consenting adults, it’s not being a predator. Catpits wants everyone to know that he is a child predator but her only proof was a 23 year old and a 24 year old, both whom he only saw for one day 😌

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Yeah she’s cray

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It’s unfortunate that nowadays people can accuse others of very serious crimes without proof and people believe them. This is a case of someone who caught feelings and became obsessed and the other person didn’t feel the same way 🤷🏻‍♀️. There’s nothing more to it. Because she was hurt, she decided to try and take him down with these allegations.

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I just became a Frenemies fan so thank you a lot for this compilation. Now I think I can picture what happened possibly. Trisha quits Frenemies. There could have been reconciliation but then allegations of SA came out about Moses. H3 are known to take the victim's side and do so publicly. It should be noted that the accuser's falsified evidence and story was well crafted enough to trick many people on the subreddit and likely many more so H3 response can be understood with leniency. That's all public feuding. And if that's all it was, I believe it would've been easier reconciliation honestly since the Kleins and Hacmons are generally very understanding of each other's faults.

However, from recent comments that Hila is the only sibling not speaking with Moses, I think more gaps can be filled in. Moses and Hila have said many times before that their family is very traditional, and intensely Israeli Jewish in culture (as in they are from the rural parts of Israel). One of the strongest values reinforced in that culture is loyalty to your family and your people. Unity is very strong valued. Blood is thick etc.

So, putting that all together, there was probably intense familial pressure to side with Moses. In hindsight, this was the correct decision, but The Kleins side with the victims as the usually do, who appear genuine. The truth is revealed much later; however, the damage is done. And at the same time, there was already the current situation of Trisha leaving Frenemies so it was already fractured. All the feelings are there to make a mess.