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El libro está en perfectas condiciones y la entrega fue muy rápida.

Insightful. Inspiring. Well reasoned.

A. Benavides Grases

Revisado en España el 8 de enero de 2022

I am quite familiar with the YouTube videos and the podcasts of Dr. Jordan B Peterson. This book is on the psychology side os his views, rather than on the political side. I found this useful because one may be tempted to discard discourses with a strong political element. He is obviously a conservative, but a moderate one. He understands well and supports the need of the Liberal views to avoid stagnation and corruption, and it’s interplay with the Conservative approach (what works well does not need to be dismantled in the name of novelty)

Super interesante, mejor que el primero, que ya me gustó mucho.

Alex M. S.

Revisado en España el 23 de marzo de 2022

Aún estoy por el prmer tercio, pero me está gustando aún más que la primera parte. Peterson tiene un estilo de escritura que conecta con mi manera ser. Va dando ideas sobre como vivir mejor, o enfocar la vida, es difícil de describir.
Naturalmente, si el primero no te gustó, no hace falta que leas este.

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My favourite book ever along with the earlier one.

Tadas Martinkus

Revisado en España el 10 de enero de 2022

My favourite book ever along with the earlier one from Jordan Peterson, I was in a search for books to open my mind and to expand my consciousness and I can 100% say that I have found it with these two, 100% recommended, it was a very hard read but worth it, you won't be the same after this book.

Revisado en España el 16 de diciembre de 2021

Merece la pena leerlo ya que tiene muchos pasajes reveladores. Me encanta este autor y su sabiduría. Te ayuda mucho a descubrirte y a buscar respuestas a algo que realmente tienes en la cabeza.

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Vicente

Good

Revisado en España el 31 de marzo de 2022

I found this one as good as the first one, maybe these books have come to me in the right time.

Revisado en España el 25 de marzo de 2021

Few books in recent years have had quite so noisy a cultural impact as Jordan Peterson’s 12 Rules for Life: An Antidote to Chaos. In this sequence professor Peterson continuous this amazing work in a deeper way. totally worth it, actually I think its cheap for the book quality...At least 100 dollars

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wonderful

Revisado en España el 7 de septiembre de 2021

very very insightful and pracical book about improving ones life.

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Anh Tran Quoc

Even better guidelines than the prequel ...

Revisado en Alemania el 9 de mayo de 2024

... for family, society and work!

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He is truly one of the best intellectuals of our time.

Reseñado en Suecia el 26 de octubre de 2023

Alway worth reading. Never disappoints. Love his books and ideas.

david z

Elocuente, profundo, y aún asi, simple y práctico.

Revisado en México el 22 de abril de 2021

Todas las reglas son explicadas de forma tan elocuente y precisa que llama la atención como lo consigue el autor. Las reglas son profundas, y tienen una explicación tipo causa-efecto, por lo que son lógicas. Aún con estas características difíciles de conseguir, las reglas que propone el Dr. Peterson son prácticas y simples. El libro es un joya. Es un verdadero placer escuchar al autor.

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Maria Luiza Falcao Rodrigues de Oliveira

Um chamado para responsabilidade - mais claro do que nunca

Revisado en Brasil el 15 de marzo de 2021

Como muitas pessoas, conheci Jordan Peterson em meados de 2018, quando comecei a receber recomendações de seus vídeos. Depois que assisti sua forma precisa e clara de se comunicar sobre temas dificílimos, percebi que precisava conhecer mais à respeito desse homem. Li 12 regras para a vida e assisti dezenas de suas aulas no youtube, disponibilizadas gratuitamente como um presente para todos nós.

Em Beyond Order, Jordan Peterson conseguiu superar (e muito) a expectativa que pairava sobre o livro. Muitos consideravam que o livro poderia ser apenas uma repetição manifestada com outras palavras do seu livro mais famoso, mas vejo na verdade em Beyond Order um amadurecimento de ideias já citadas, com a adição de muitas referências e temas não abordados com tanta profundidade em 12 regras para a vida.

Das muitas possíveis citações e referências a esse livro, deixo algumas abaixo que se destacaram como minhas preferidas e me fizeram pensar:

#Sobre a necessidade de competência e a diferença entre a autoridade gerada por competência e o poder gerado por corrupção.

p.18: "Fool is a young, handsome man, eyes lifted upward, journeying in the mountains, sun shining brightly upon him— about to carelessly step over a cliff (or is he?). His strength, however, is precisely his willingness to risk such a drop; to risk being once again at the bottom. No one unwilling to be a foolish beginner can learn."

p.19: "But today’s beginner is tomorrow’s master. Thus, it is necessary even for the most accomplished (but who wishes to accomplish still more) to retain identification with the as yet unsuccessful; to appreciate the striving toward competence; to carefully and with true humility subordinate him or herself to the current game"

p.25: "If the problem is real, then the people who are best at solving the problem at hand should rise to the top. That is not power. It is the authority that properly accompanies ability."

p.33: "You may even have to crawl before you can walk. This is part of accepting your position as a beginner, at the bottom of the hierarchy you so casually, arrogantly, and self- servingly despise."

# Sobre a necessidade de encarar a verdade, apesar de sua aparência

p.75: "pay attention, above all, even to what is monstrous and malevolent, and speak wisely and truthfully"

p.97: "Failing to look under the bed when you strongly suspect a monster is lurking there is not an advisable strategy."

# Sobre como se destacar em qualquer ambiente competitivo.

p.112: "If you want to become invaluable in a workplace— in any community— just do the useful things no one else is doing."

p.121: "We become stronger by voluntarily facing what impedes our necessary progress."

# Sobre a importância da beleza

p. 225: "It is worth repeating: Artists teach people to see. It is very hard to perceive the world, and we are so fortunate to have geniuses to teach us how to do it, to reconnect us with what we have lost, and to enlighten us to the world."

# Sobre cuidar de si mesmo

p. 318: "balance your life appropriately. Maybe the first step in this direction is to posit, despite your mistreatment, that you are in fact worthy of care; and the second step is to give it, where you can, despite receiving tragically little yourself."

As lições que JP traz, de forma bela e elegante, usando elementos das suas próprias regras na maneira como vive e escreve, são simples de serem descritas, mas dificilmente aplicadas na vida real. Tomar responsabilidade; buscar autoridade pela competência; manter o que é bom e avançar pouco a pouco, mas sempre; não se esconder atrás se simplificações e mentiras; lidar com a verdade e evitar a mentira direta e também a omissão. Todas essas regras são mais impactantes por entendermos o contexto mais amplo, da história da humanidade desde suas primeiras histórias, e de como avançamos como sociedade, mas algumas coisas continuam sendo perenes ao longo do tempo.

Esse com certeza é um livro que lerei várias vezes ao longo da vida.

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Bob Lewis

Excellent, surpassing even the first volume

Revisado en los Estados Unidos el 3 de marzo de 2021

When I read and reviewed the first 12 Rules for Life book, I described it as a sort of self-help book for people who don't like self-help books. Present was the distillation of common sensical (but often unarticulated) ideas, but absent were the trite catch phrases and easy fixes that plague much of the genre. I'm pleased to report that the same can be said of this second volume.

While this is ostensibly a self-help book that distills important psychological ideas into a dozen simple "rules" for living a better, more meaningful, and more productive life, it's much more than that. It's a wide-ranging treatise on psychology, philosophy, theology, and occasionally even politics (though not too much, and always in a fairly balanced treatment). It's true that the rules themselves are somewhat simplistic--some might even say self-evident. And that's a fair statement. The value in such a book as this, though, is less in the list of rules as they can be read in the table of contents, but in the immeasurably rich explanations and analyses that explain--at a remarkably deep level--the sound psychological, philosophical, historical, theological, mythological, and narrative reasons for each of the rules.

The author has an amazing talent for seamlessly combining important ideas from all of these disparate fields in a manner that manages to be accessible to a wide audience without ever speaking down or boring readers who are already familiar with his subjects. It's a rare book indeed that can transition so effortlessly between discussions of cognitive neuroscience to the Bible to Harry Potter and back.

That's true of both this book and its predecessor (to which I also gave a five-star review). However, I have to say in all honesty, this book manages to escape the all too common pitfalls of sequels and indeed might even surpass the original (though I maintain that it's best read less as a sequel and more as a second volume of a single long work). Admittedly, some of the examples revisit subjects already familiar from the previous book (or from Peterson's other writings or lectures), but these few stories are important enough that they bear repeating. More importantly, the new material is invariably fascinating, filled with historical notes, literary analyses, scriptural interpretations, and--my personal favorites--psychological case studies.

With regard to that last category, this book manages to accomplish something remarkable: it is a self-help book that does not insult the psychologically literate reader. Instead, it draws deeply from the psychological literature (particularly the psychoanalysts, though certainly not limited to them alone) and might even inspire some readers to pursue further study of psychology or even a career in clinical practice.

Most importantly, the book differentiates itself from the bulk of its genre by eschewing the easy and the feel-good in favor of the real and the substantial. There are no trite mantras, no happy cliches, no greeting card philosophies. Instead, there are real--often brutal, but equally often hopeful--psychological insights. This is the kind of self-help book that could genuinely help the reader who heeds its advice, precisely because it offers oft-difficult substance rather than simple but ultimately meaningless pronouncements.

At a time when much of the world seems shallowly moored at best--and completely unmoored at worst--this book is a godsend for those looking to lead a more meaningful (and with any luck, happier) existence. I cannot recommend it (and its predecessor, though you can easily read the books in any order) highly enough.

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