Topic: How do I install instruments for my tavern? (Read 11927 times)

Admiral Obvious · « **on:** February 11, 2016, 02:27:11 pm »

It seems that I'm unable to actually install instruments inside my tavern, even though I have 7 spare instruments made, and laying around.

I've double checked that the instruments are available. First by checking if they are in a workshop, which they were, so I made a stockpile for them. That didn't work, once they were moved to the pile. I've tried dumping them, and reclaiming them, that hasn't worked either. I tried moving the stockpile to the tavern, and that didn't work either...

The issue I get when trying to build these are "needs item". Am I missing something, or is this a bug?

Kneenibble · « **Reply #1 on:** February 11, 2016, 02:31:34 pm »

Are you sure the instruments are large stationary floor instruments? They could all be hand-held instruments, in which case they are stored in containers in the tavern. It should say in their description.

Admiral Obvious · « **Reply #2 on:** February 11, 2016, 03:11:49 pm »

That makes sense. Didn't realize that the instruments could be carried around, most of them are small wind instruments.

Now, it just looks like nobody knows how to actually play them. I've got a bard carrying around an instrument, but instead of playing it, he "simulates" it.

I was just confused since the instruments aren't considered to be "built" in the tavern like the barrels/bins are counted.

All of that makes sense now... mostly...

Now I just need to figure out how to get the dwarves to cut down trees instead of "socialize".

slashnul · « **Reply #3 on:** February 11, 2016, 03:35:12 pm »

"View Activity" on the performances and see what instruments they use for each song and dance. So far Ive only seen one of my buildable types being used... Ive had to inspect visitors for instruments or get pieces from caravans to get the others that are in demand.

PatrikLundell · « **Reply #4 on:** February 11, 2016, 04:07:35 pm »

A problem with that approach for portable instruments is that the dorfs just dumps any portable instrument into your chests "randomly", and if you happen to have installed chests in temples, you're likely to end up with the instruments you bought dumped in temples, while 5 of each of the two kinds you could build yourself were dumped into the tavern chest. I.e. you don't have any control of which instruments are stored where.

Admiral Obvious · « **Reply #5 on:** February 11, 2016, 05:00:42 pm »

Quote from: slashnul on February 11, 2016, 03:35:12 pm

"View Activity" on the performances and see what instruments they use for each song and dance. So far Ive only seen one of my buildable types being used... Ive had to inspect visitors for instruments or get pieces from caravans to get the others that are in demand.

I've checked that, and I actually manufactured the instrument that's required for use by my dwarves to perform their song, being that the instrument is quite literally a horn made of wood, I went and made 10 of them, because why not? Make the fort known world wide for musical talent and whatnot. They go and pick up the named instrument, and then vocally imitate the instrument, while they hold them.

Had I known I'd encounter a bug in this build preventing my dwarves from cutting trees, I probably wouldn't have done that. (I'm using 24.06) Still trying to find a way to reproduce this bug.

slashnul · « **Reply #6 on:** February 11, 2016, 06:06:25 pm »

I saw a bug post on mantis about them not using the instruments that're stocked nearby. It'll probably get addressed/fixed soon.

As for keeping the right instruments in the right place... I just Forbid or Dump any instruments I dont see being used or simulated, and have plenty of the others.

Nagidal · « **Reply #7 on:** January 22, 2017, 04:11:32 pm »

Wait, I don't understand this. Does it mean that I can't build stationary instrument which my dwarves cannot play? I have put a great deal of effort in my fortress to assemble some sort of a dwarven piano and now it tells me "Needs Item". Is there anything I can do about it?

PatrikLundell · « **Reply #8 on:** January 22, 2017, 04:57:37 pm »

You can build any stationary instruments you can lay your hands on. "Need item" means DF can't find any stationary instrument to build (double check that it's stationary). The typical reasons for failures apply:
- Lacking a path
- Instrument 'f'orbidden (e.g. after dumping)
- Instrument being hauled (e.g. from workshop to stockpile)
etc.

Nagidal · « **Reply #9 on:** January 22, 2017, 05:46:46 pm »

The instrument is stationary, unforbidden, stored in a stockpile in the hallway. Behind the door I have a room (yet to be designated as a temple) where I want to build it. Needs item. (link to a video of the situation).

I have previously built some other temples in this Fortress, with some other stationary instruments, imported from humans.

mikekchar · « **Reply #10 on:** January 22, 2017, 09:28:40 pm »

For anyone looking at the video, the description of the instrument is at 2:11:36 and it is indeed a stationary instrument. It's hard to tell from the video but I'm not sure if you inspect the stockpiles and burrows, etc. My guess is that it's a problem with accessibility of the stockpile (or some other stockpile bug). What I would do is dump the instrument, make sure that it gets transported to the dump, reclaim it and try building it again. In the event that it never gets dumped, then the odds are that it is inaccessible for some reason. If you double check everything and *still* can't find the problem, try this: Remove the stockpile. Forbid the item. Wait for a few turns. Claim the item. Wait for a few turns. Build a construction in the same tile as the item. When the dwarfs come to build the construction, they will move the instrument to another tile (keep unsuspending the task if they suspend it). Once it has moved to the other tile, it should be available again. I've only ever had this happen when I retired and unretired a fortress, but it happens that items can be bugged and doing this dance will unbug them (in my experience).

PatrikLundell · « **Reply #11 on:** January 23, 2017, 03:35:58 am »

You can check accessibility by station a militia squad first in the instrument stockpile and then at the build location. If they do move to those locations they are accessible. Before that, check if the door is locked.

Nagidal · « **Reply #12 on:** January 23, 2017, 12:29:59 pm »

No, Mikekchar and Patrik, everything was fine. The only thing DF did not like was that I had not yet designated the Temple. Once I created the meeting zone and defined it as a temple, I could build the instrument there. That was all.

Mostali · « **Reply #13 on:** January 23, 2017, 02:57:46 pm »

You can build instruments anywhere regardless of temple or inn designation. It's good you were finally able to build it but the meeting zone wasn't the cause of the problem.

mikekchar · « **Reply #14 on:** January 23, 2017, 09:11:07 pm »

That's definitely weird. To be honest, I've never tried to build an instrument without a location before. Is it possibly a bug?

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