It’s a really hard pick, but it has to be Jimmy Iovine for me. Those albums in the early 80s are the quintessential TP sound for me. Ps. Sorry if I misspelled a few things.
What producer produced your favorite Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers + TP solo sound?
Forgot to add She’s The One to Rick Rubin, my bad 🤷♂️
You forgot George Drakoulias who produced The Last DJ.
Damn I knew I forgot someone. Well at least people can use the “other” option.
Also, Let Me Up (I've Had Enough) just had Tom & Mike as the producers.
And Southern Accents lists FIVE producers: Dave Stewart (the 3 songs he co-wrote with Petty?), Jimmy Iovine (Rebels), Robbie Robertson (The Best of Everything) and Tom Petty & Mike Campbell (all the rest?).
That's a moving target there. Today Jimmy.
Right?! I’m literally the sweaty guy choosing a button meme right now.
Haha yea that’s the perfect visual 😅
Agreed.
RICK RUBIN PRODUCED THOSE?!?!?
WHAT HAS THIS MAN NOT DONE
I went with Ryan, Mojo and Hypnotic Eye. Here’s why- I don’t know of another band or recording artist that’s musical integrity stood the test of time. They ended on a high, and I can’t help but think Ryan played a part. He was an integral part at capturing the live sound on those albums. That sound is the heart of the band. He had been working with them for quite a while and I think that shows in the the quality of those albums.
I love Rick Rubin. Honestly, I don’t know what he does that gets the job done, but I think part of it is his presence, his vibe & demeanor. He brings a calm to the storm and I think that highlights the raw emotions and energy of Wildflowers and Echo. He really seems to just guide WF in a natural direction. Not many are familiar with She’s the One, but it has some of my favorite Petty music. With that said, I think Tom is the driving factor in those albums overall.
Anyway, I love discussing this stuff!
Hard choice. The production on Torpedoes and Hard Promises is hard to argue against from the moment the drums kick off Refugee. That said, Wildflowers wouldn’t sound right if you were to apply that same production Ste to that album. I’ll also add that while I love the music, Jeff Lynne’s production is my least favorite. A bit too polished and shimmery for my liking.
Have you heard the "Finding Wildflowers" album? It was released about 2 years ago. Produced by Ryan Ulyate, you can compare it directly to Rick Rubin's production of the original album. I'd say Ulyate's production compares very favorably to Rubin's.
Jeff Lynne's production is definitely shiny and polished, but that gave the FMF album a "look at me" quality which drew in many new fans. I wouldn't want all of the Petty/TPATH albums to be produced to that level, but within a very large catalog it's fine.
I’ve played the hell out of everything from that set :)
Regarding finding wildflowers, you can’t really credit that entirely to Rick or Ryan. Ryan obviously worked with the final mix and mastering, but he wasn’t present at the sessions. There are tons of decisions made there that make a huge impact on the sound of a record.
I like the albums the band put out with Ryan, particularly Mojo. Maybe it’s a product of liking the music better, but I also think the production on Mojo sounds better than Hypnotic Eye.
My list would be:
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Rick Rubin
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Jimmy Iovine
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Ryan Ulyate
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Jeff Lynne
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Denny Cordell
Torpedoes may be the most iconic album, but Mojo works for me every time, all the time. There’s not a B-side song on it, and it’s the album I’d pick if I had to choose only one to listen to for the rest of my days.
Eh, you don’t think Candy is kinda filler? I love mojo but no b-side song is a bold claim
Ya, you got me on that one. Forgot about that track.
Personally I consider "Mojo" to be the weakest album under the Tom Petty or Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers name. And that's not Ryan Ulyate's fault, it's just a very weak collection of songs (with maybe 3 or 4 good ones). But it's a tribute to Petty that someone would think it's one of the best and nearly perfect, so to each his/her own.
Ulyate also did "Live Anthology" (with some help from Petty & Campbell), and he did the Wildflowers boxed set - including "Finding Wildflowers" which was released as a separate CD.
I find the production on "Finding Wildflowers" far superior to the original Rubin "Wildflowers". I also think the production on "Hypnotic Eye" is better than anything any prior Petty producer has done, whether that's Iovine, Lynne, Rubin, Cordell, Stewart, Drakoulias, or Tom & Mike (Let Me Up was done without an outside producer).
But realize that the equipment used by each producer was successively better. So Iovine had better equipment to work with than Cordell, Lynne had better equipment than Iovine, Rubin had better equipment than Lynne (except on Highway Companion), and Ulyate had better equipment to work with than all the others. It does make a difference.
I would still rank Iovine as the best of their producers, for doing what he did with the equipment he had at the time. But without making an adjustment for equipment of the time, I'd give the prize to Ulyate.
And I don't quite understand the love for Rubin, I'd rank him as their worst producer. I don't think his sound quality is particularly good, and he gimmicks up the songs with things like double-tracking Tom's voice and adding silly orchestral flourishes. As if he's trying to be George Martin, but he's definitely not near the league of the Beatles great producer.
When you compare "Finding Wildflowers" with the original Rubin-produced "Wildflowers" album, you can see where Rubin comes up short vs. a good producer in Ulyate. I think some people like the lyrics and sentiment of the original Wildflowers so much, that they think Rubin is a good producer (which he isn't, IMO). I believe that people who voted for Rubin are really voting for the songs of Wildflowers, not Rubin's production.
I gave it to Rick Rubin, but Jeff Lynne is a very close 2nd.
I think it’s interesting that each of the 3 highly regarded producers (Iovine, Lynne, and Rubin), each made one of his best, but each made one of Petty’s weakest (IMO) albums; those being Long After Dark, Into the Great Wide Open and Echo (sorry if you disagree with those)
For as great as Iovine was as a sound engineer, he wasn’t as creative as Lynne or Rubin. Lynne and Rubin got something out of petty that he didn’t know he had in him. They transformed his sound into something new, whereas Iovine just refined what was already there.
I think I’m going to go with Lynne. He helped tom rejuvenate his career and become bigger than he ever was. Full Moon Fever is banger after banger and they sound timeless at a time where a lot of stuff ended up sounding dated.
Honestly, in terms of the production, Echo is actually one of my favorites. It has some weaker songs in terms of the writing, but the sound of songs like "Swingin'" and "Free Girl Now" stacks up against anything Tom did in my opinion.
(I also love the sound on "Makin' some noise" on ITGWO. I usually think the Lynne stuff sounds good despite his production rather than because of it, even though I love him as a songwriter. Applies to all the album cuts on FMF too, though "Free Fallin'," "Running Down a Dream," and "I won't back down" - i.e., the hits - all sound great.)
What I appreciate about Rubin is that he could channel Tom's essence as well as Lynne, but like Iovine he also knew when to just get out of the way and let the band do its thing. I think that comes through brilliantly on both Wildflowers and Echo, albeit in very different ways.
Lynne sounds a little too perfect for me. I think some of the raw rock edge of the Heartbreakers gets lost on his albums. But I love love love Full Moon Fever, it doesn’t have any weak songs and some enormous hits. A really tough choice.
Yeah. It was mostly tom, Jeff and mike Campbell in a garage playing tracks to a drum machine which was later replaced with real drums. So it definitely loses the raw sound
Also they way Lynne records drums sounds horribly boring if you’re a drummer. Apparently he records e.g. the snare drum by itself, then each tom, bass drum, cymbals, and so on. And then it’s all put together to a coherent drum sound. This is to minimize sound leaking into the microphones from the other pieces of the drum set. You get a very clean sound from each of piece of the drum set. So the drummer never really “plays” their instrument on the final track. I would be bored out of my mind and probably feel a bit miffed about the way my instrument was recorded if I was a drummer in that situation.
You are all correct! Lynne's production is highly polished to a bright and shiny level, which helped the Full Moon Fever album bring in a new set of fans for Tom and the band.
But what's great about Lynne is also a drawback. His production polishes the sound to being incredibly clean but it's all "up front" and doesn't have the layering that invites repeated plays (repeated after say 10 plays). Compare FMF to the preceding album LMU. LMU doesn't compare well with FMF at first, but after several listens to each, I'm much rather hear LMU repeated than FMF.
The comment about the drumming is interesting, because on ITGWO Stan was not happy with Lynne's recording techniques and gave Lynne a very complex drum pattern for "Learning to Fly" even though Lynne wanted a more basic one. Lynne used the complex pattern anyway, and the song is all the better for it, but it's a great example of both Lynne's technique and Stan pushing for what he thought was right.
On HC, Tom did the drumming himself, and while Tom is generally great - that album might have benefitted from a dedicated drummer.
Huh. I’ve heard of layering drums but usually the bass and snare would at least be on the same track. I don’t doubt that they did this though. As a bass player, the Lynne songs usually have a pretty tame bass part as well
I strongly disagree that Long After Dark is one of Petty's weakest albums. And Highway Companion isn't bad (especially when you add in the 2 extra songs on the "special edition") but it's not top tier Petty.
I'll agree that Echo is not a great album for Petty, though a lot of fans seem to like it. And I'd add in that She's The One is not particularly great for a Petty album either.
Overall, Iovine produced three of Petty's greatest albums (DTT, HP, LAD) and furthermore produced a great song with "Rebels" for the SA album, after Petty was so dissatisfied with the production (before Iovine's) that he broke his hand in frustration.