82 original or the better known 87 remix?

87 remix for me.

Eric Prydz not eligible?

Fuck no.

So cool
Steve Wozniak
Dance on a summer's day

'82 for me. The synth seems tasteful and warmer.

Quote from: Twed on October 27, 2018, 11:03:14 PM
So cool
Steve Wozniak
Dance on a summer's day

You got the lyrics wrong.

It's JAZZ on a summer's day.

Quote from: Twed on October 27, 2018, 11:05:41 PM
'82 for me. The synth seems tasteful and warmer.

I like the extra percussion flourishes, more vibrant bass line and reverb on the vocal of the 87.

But I think we can all agree the synth solo in both is shit for cunts.  One that Toto's David Paich would be more than happy with.

Imagine if instead it had a synth solo like in Van Halen - Jump. It would pretty much be the perfect song.

Quote from: Shit Good Nose on October 27, 2018, 11:07:29 PM
You got the lyrics wrong.

It's JAZZ on a summer's day.


I like the extra percussion flourishes, more vibrant bass line and reverb on the vocal of the 87.

But I think we can all agree the synth solo in both is shit for cunts.  One that Toto's David Paich would be more than happy with.

The echoey drum fill at the start of the '87 one much beats the pissweak non event start of the 82 original. So that one.

Eric Prydz for me. I think I shall just watch the video again to remind me how sexist it was.

'82 it's for that cool early 80s new wave sound, remix is good though.

Quote from: Dr Rock on October 28, 2018, 10:11:06 AM
Eric Prydz for me. I think I shall just watch the video again to remind me how sexist it was.

Ahh yes, The Sidechain Song.

The women in that are all 78 years old now.

Quote from: Funcrusher on October 27, 2018, 11:00:37 PM
Eric Prydz not eligible?

Quote from: Dr Rock on October 28, 2018, 10:11:06 AM
Eric Prydz for me. I think I shall just watch the video again to remind me how sexist it was.

Eric Prydz shouldn't be eligible as it wasn't even his idea - he was commisioned to do it by Ministry Of Sound, after Together's bootleg remix became an underground hit.

Fucking hell, this thread has blown my mind. I only discovered the original Valerie recently (discussed elsewhere on this subforum) and it's entered regular listening rotation on my phone. Had no idea there was an alternative mix.

Maybe I'm just too used to the original, but I think it's a bit too 80s. It's odd because I think the drums are a bit weak on the original but the ridiculous gated-verb megasnare on the 87 version is OTT.

Agreed that the solo is shite in both.

Quote from: buzby on October 29, 2018, 07:55:28 AM
Eric Prydz shouldn't be eligible as it wasn't even his idea - he was commisioned to do it by Ministry Of Sound, after Together's bootleg remix became an underground hit.

I think this is a bit unfair. Not his idea, no, but his result is a bit different from the Together version. It's much less raw and much more mainstream dance cheese, which usually should be a bad thing, but that sort of approach combined with the yearning melody of the sample does something weird to my brain. I find it terribly affecting.

Quote from: popcorn on October 29, 2018, 09:59:17 AM
I think this is a bit unfair. Not his idea, no, but his result is a bit different from the Together version. It's much less raw and much more mainstream dance cheese, which usually should be a bad thing, but that sort of approach combined with the yearning melody of the sample does something weird to my brain. I find it terribly affecting.

As mentioned in the recent thread, the Prydz version does not use a sample of Valerie. MoS could not get clearance to use the sample from Winwood's label, so they had the relevant portions of the track reconstructed by Replay Heaven, and when Winwood found out about it he offered to re-record the vocal. In effect it's Winwood's third attempt at Valerie.

While on the topic, why does he never perform this live in his setlists these days?
If I saw him and he didn't do it I would be well pissed.

Quote from: buzby on October 29, 2018, 10:45:20 AM
As mentioned in the recent thread, the Prydz version does not use a sample of Valerie. MoS could not get clearance to use the sample from Winwood's label, so they had the relevant portions of the track reconstructed by Replay Heaven, and when Winwood found out about it he offered to re-record the vocal. In effect it's Winwood's third attempt at Valerie.

Yeah I know. But, er... so what?

Isn't Steve Winwood meant to be a bit embarrassed by some of his 80s stuff these days? I mean, if you go from the the Spencer Davis Group and Traffic to 80s yuppie rock it is quite a drastic career change to say the least.

Some of it holds up pretty well though. (although it does make me think of Dennis in It's Always Sunny)

Who's the best Winwood, Steve or Muff? It's got to be Muff on name alone.

Muff has always been in Steve's shadow as a musician, but he also produced 'Kimono My House' and 'Propaganda' for Sparks which gives him a lot of cool points imo

I never cared for the original or the remix, it's not even as good an 80s-song-by-an-oldie like Boys Of Summer or Big Love. The dance version, whoever did it first, or wether Winwood is actually on it or not, is the best.

Quote from: popcorn on October 29, 2018, 09:55:13 AM
Fucking hell, this thread has blown my mind. I only discovered the original Valerie recently (discussed elsewhere on this subforum) and it's entered regular listening rotation on my phone. Had no idea there was an alternative mix.

Maybe I'm just too used to the original, but I think it's a bit too 80s. It's odd because I think the drums are a bit weak on the original but the ridiculous gated-verb megasnare on the 87 version is OTT.

That's the complete opposite of most people - the 87 remix is, by far, the better known of the two.  If it's on the radio or music TV, it's typically always the 87 version that gets played.  Most people when they hear the one recorded in a damp cardboard box original have no idea what's going on.  It's a surprise even to people who were there from Steve Winwood (the album) and Arc of a Diver.

Quote from: TheMonk on October 29, 2018, 10:52:48 AM
While on the topic, why does he never perform this live in his setlists these days?
If I saw him and he didn't do it I would be well pissed.

Quote from: Nowhere Man on October 29, 2018, 11:29:54 AM
Isn't Steve Winwood meant to be a bit embarrassed by some of his 80s stuff these days? I mean, if you go from the the Spencer Davis Group and Traffic to 80s yuppie rock it is quite a drastic career change to say the least.

Some of it holds up pretty well though. (although it does make me think of Dennis in It's Always Sunny)

He still has Higher Love and Back In the High Life Again regularly in his set-list.

I don't know why he doesn't play Valerie these days, but it could be something to do with the fact that I seem to recall he's never really considered it 100% his song, as the lyrics were very specific and personal to Will Jennings.  He also seems to have gone back to playing a lot more Traffic stuff in recent years - in fact one of his billed-as-solo tours a few years ago was almost entirely made up of Traffic songs.


In the meantime, here's Valerie live at the Royal Albert Hall in 1988, with Hulk Hogan/David Carradine on drums (not really, it's Russ Kunkel) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3sSLe9CsvI

the 1982 version is nicer on the ear.

Quote from: Shit Good Nose on October 31, 2018, 11:43:21 AM
That's the complete opposite of most people - the 87 remix is, by far, the better known of the two.  If it's on the radio or music TV, it's typically always the 87 version that gets played.  Most people when they hear the one recorded in a damp cardboard box original have no idea what's going on.  It's a surprise even to people who were there from Steve Winwood (the album) and Arc of a Diver.

It's because I'm a really fresh and original person.

Really it's because I looked the song up after the Call on Me remix turned up in a different thread here, and the first version I found was the 82 mix.

Cos I'm bored

Steve Winwood - Valerie '82 https://youtu.be/cbKNICg-REA
Steve Winwood - Valerie '87 https://youtu.be/RriQt0ebFaw
Together - Call On Me https://youtu.be/lLl4FRXVm84
Eric Prydz - Call On Me https://youtu.be/QQSYo_pC-QA
Red Kult - Call Me https://youtu.be/O-Xlf4idspE
Eric Prydz - Call On Me (Red Kult's Dub Pass 2) https://youtu.be/IjIUGxOmnJ0

The Red Kult version came out on a cheeky bootleg before the official Eric Prydz release, I'm speculating that Red Kult got asked to do an official release (their bootleg sounds much closer to the Eric Prydz version and they have a mix on the official release that sounds nothing like either). At this point Winwood and Replay Heaven recorded the hook, then Prydz got approached to remix the Red Kult version, did a much better mix and then for some reason Red Kult got bumped and Prydz got the artist credit.

Quote from: Better Midlands on November 01, 2018, 02:28:21 PM
Cos I'm bored

Steve Winwood - Valerie '82 https://youtu.be/cbKNICg-REA
Steve Winwood - Valerie '87 https://youtu.be/RriQt0ebFaw
Together - Call On Me https://youtu.be/lLl4FRXVm84
Eric Prydz - Call On Me https://youtu.be/QQSYo_pC-QA
Red Kult - Call Me https://youtu.be/O-Xlf4idspE
Eric Prydz - Call On Me (Red Kult's Dub Pass 2) https://youtu.be/IjIUGxOmnJ0

The Red Kult version came out on a cheeky bootleg before the official Eric Prydz release, I'm speculating that Red Kult got asked to do an official release (their bootleg sounds much closer to the Eric Prydz version and they have a mix on the official release that sounds nothing like either). At this point Winwood and Replay Heaven recorded the hook, then Prydz got approached to remix the Red Kult version, did a much better mix and then for some reason Red Kult got bumped and Prydz got the artist credit.

I reckon it was more like Paul Glancy/Red Kult heard the Together version and decided to make his own bootleg remix (he's one half of Spacedust who ripped off Gym Tonic so he's got previous on that score). Ministry Of Sound heard it (it was more widely-known in the UK than the Together version, which was also a couple of years old by that point) and wanted to release it but there was no way they were going get into sharing the publishing with two different sampled artists (and the legal tangles involved with Black Box), so they comissioned Prydz and Replay Heaven to recreate the Red Kult version minus the Black Box elements. Glancy was then given the remix commission as a consolation. The other possibility could be that Prydz ripped off Glancy's ripoff, which MoS then discovered prior to release and offered Glancy the remix as recompense.

Under his various aliases Paul Glancy seems to have been involved in loads of this spate of mid-2000s 70s/80s-sampling cheesy dance records, usually as a remixer.

I didn't realise that Spacedust/Red Kult had a connection. Spacedust - Music Sounds Better With You sold a huge amount of copies.

https://youtu.be/XXMmRrtQEDE

I see Glancy owns the Late Night Tales label.

I think then that MOS would have approached Glancy to use his version and drop the Black Box sample because as you say it would only complicate the release. I don't think Prydz would have ripped off anyone as its not really his style and TBF he is very talented, but it is likely that he was asked to remix. It would have been easy to drop Glancy here as legally he doesn't have a leg to stand on and for some unknown reason Prydz got the artist credit.

I do generally have a bit of an aversion of that grander slicker style of the 87 version, I just expect to hear Steve Wrights voice afterwards.

Yep I'm a cunt who likes the synth solo.

Quote from: Better Midlands on November 01, 2018, 03:45:14 PM
I didn't realise that Spacedust/Red Kult had a connection. Spacedust - Music Sounds Better With You sold a huge amount of copies.

https://youtu.be/XXMmRrtQEDE

I see Glancy owns the Late Night Tales label..

You have fallen for Clancy's lame ruse. It was Stardust (Bangalter, Alan Braxe and Ben Diamond) who had the hit with Music Sounds Better With You  Glancy and Gleason used a similar name to knock out a quick cash-in soundalike called Music Sounds Good With You (which is what you linked to). They then reused the name for Gym & Tonic, another Bangalter ripoff (having been part of the original Gym Tonic that was released by Sinclar against his wishes)