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10:30pm West Coast time and Pete's Daily Show video with Desi Lydic now has 251k views on YouTube! In just over a day.💙💛👏

I thought I had seen a comment somewhere about this article, but I couldn't find it -- apologies if this is a repost. This is an article about trains blocking crossings in cities for hours on end, forcing kids to crawl over/under to get to school. The main focus of the article is Hammond, IN.

https://www.propublica.org/article/trains-crossing-blocked-kids-norfolk-southern

On three separate occasions during the fall and winter, reporters witnessed Norfolk Southern trains blocking intersections leading to an elementary, a middle and a high school for four, six and seven hours. ProPublica and InvestigateTV showed footage of kids making the crossing, including an elementary student crawling under a train, to representatives of Norfolk Southern, lawmakers and Secretary of Transportation Pete Buttigieg, whose remit includes rail safety.

He was shocked.

“Nobody,” Buttigieg said, “can look at a video with a child having to climb over or under a railroad car to get to school and think that everything is OK.”

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South Korean President Yoon surprises the crowd at the White House state dinner by singing what he said was one of his favorite songs, “American Pie”

“I had no damn idea you could sing,” Biden says

https://twitter.com/Jordanfabian/status/1651419147492896770

Unexpected moment at the state dinner when the president of South Korea sings “American Pie.”

https://twitter.com/jeffmason1/status/1651418886447693824

Click on links for video.

This was so charming and wonderful

https://twitter.com/WHCommsDir/status/1651425364437258240

Looks like this state dinner is going well.

Thankfully, Korean media is obsessing over......crab cake.................instead of sakura flowers.

"Did the WH serve crab cake as a hidden snub to send a message??"

As a Marylander I am highly offended that someone was offended by a crab cake

I am from Virginia now but grew up in Maryland and I heartily concur.

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I'm not culturally aware enough to understand

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Apparently, one of Korean media found out about some strange definition of 'crab cake' on URBAN DICTIONARY of all places.... and came to some strange conclusion about how WH is sending a message by serving Crab Cake for dinner.

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Crab%20Cake

And then, they also realized that the former President of SK(who was from opposing party) was served with crab cake on his visit to the US.......and conservative/liberal-leaning medias are fighting over how 'OH THIS TIME IT IS DIFFERENT'.

It's a whole bunch of strange fiasco.

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Breaking - Trump has lost his appeal to stop Pence's 1/6 grand jury testimony.

(Trump could appeal to the SC.)

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The Justice Department today filed a complaint challenging Tennessee Senate Bill 1 (SB 1), a recently enacted law that denies necessary medical care to youth based solely on who they are. The complaint alleges that SB 1’s ban on providing certain medically necessary care to transgender minors violates the Fourteenth Amendment’s Equal Protection Clause. The department is also asking the court to issue an immediate order to prevent the law from going into effect on July 1, 2023.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-challenges-tennessee-law-bans-critical-medically-necessary-care

https://journa.host/@w7voa/110267444863501153

Someone can double check my work, but this is apparently the complete guest list for the dinner, and I do not see Pete and Chasten's names. It's a smaller guest list than last time, and I believe the only Cabinet members invited were Austin, Blinken, Haines, Raimondo, Tai, and Thomas-Greenfield. So that is disappointing, but maybe we will still see them at WHCD stuff later in the week.

I am a little sad though as it is fun to see what a beautiful dinner it is. Can't do them all, though.

The gorgeous entrance into tonight’s White House state dinner

Video clip

https://twitter.com/Emilylgoodin/status/1651345562547912704

One of our local TV news stars:

Local NBC4 anchor @ eunyangnbc attends the White House state dinner

Photo

https://twitter.com/gardnerakayla/status/1651356557932650501

I think I would say "the only Cabinet members who are attending". Not "the only Cabinet members invited."

With Chasten's big book tour coming up (it's exciting and wonderful, but it also feels like one of those big internal projects within a family with young kids that a lot of thought has gone into, as it's a departure from the routine), and the WHCD weekend, they might have thought staying home with their toddler twins was the best course of action. Also perhaps safer in avoiding COVID before the tour. It will be interesting to see how much they do for the WHCD as well.

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Guessing Pete will be pretty visible. Not sure how much of this is optional, esp for high-profile leaders before election season

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It looks like most of the Cab members there are national security/diplomacy related. And Raimondo and Tai related to business/trade. So that makes sense.

BTW, certainly *not* a model -- and I'm not in ANY way suggesting a comparison -- but I don't think Speaker John Boehner *ever* went to a state dinner at the Obama White House, though I could be wrong -- here's a typical headline from those years: https://www.politico.com/blogs/click/2011/06/boehner-declines-fourth-straight-state-dinner-036445

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Conservative judge Michael Luttig, who testified at the January 6 committee, and to whom Pence turned for guidance:

Ex-US appeals judge says Supreme Court needs stronger ethics code

https://www.reuters.com/legal/ex-us-appeals-judge-says-supreme-court-needs-stronger-ethics-code-2023-04-26/

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Luttig is an actual conservative, not a radical right winger. Refreshing.

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Montana state Rep. Zooey Zephyr has been banned from the House floor for the rest of the session. She'll be allowed to vote remotely but will be unable to participate in debates.

My statement on the Montana GOP's undemocratic decision to ban me from debate on the House floor:

Today I stood unwaveringly in defense of my constituents, my community, and democracy itself. And I pledge to always do so.

https://twitter.com/ZoAndBehold/status/1651339238162714624

Click for her full statement.

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I suspect they really wanted to expel her but after watching what happened with the TN Three, they lacked the nerve.

Anyone worried about the democrats not having a bench, the GOP has your back! They are raising the profile of democratic state reps from Michigan to Tennessee to Montana.

There will be a plethora of young, battle tested and nationally known young legislators for 2028 and beyond.

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There already is a deep bench… which is one reason quite a few people have been, well, not entirely happy w Biden. But.yes—in time some of these reps might be national. Although the way things are going, statehouses are where the battle w MAGA is being played out

I was joking about the bench, but not about the GOP making it deeper.

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Adam Wren isn't the only one seeing this:

Biden's re-election launch with an emphasis on "freedom" as a Democratic value sounds a whole lot like what Pete Buttigieg was saying all over Iowa in 2019 and 2020

https://twitter.com/CharlotteAlter/status/1651300144749346837?t=1nV7vIVusRVo5RrIwwgShg&s=19

It was a good message Charlotte.

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Joe added campaign content from Pete’s platform and speeches in the general and he hasn’t walked away from it. He was listening.

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I haven't been following the state dinner news. Has the guest list been released?

Reporters have it, but I haven't seen anyone post a comprehensive list.

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The guest list for the state dinner is out, because I keep seeing tweets about various celebrity guests, but I wish someone would post the whole thing.

People this stupid shouldn't be allowed to hold public office, at any level -

Sen. Ron Johnson (R-WI) says climate change will be good for the U.S. because it will be less cold: "Global warming will actually be beneficial ... Why wouldn't we take comfort in that? ... Y'know, concerned if you're in the hot region of Africa ... but we're in good shape."

https://twitter.com/HeartlandSignal/status/1651253584153935874

"yeah fuck the global south but we good"

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Ironically, midwest is one of the places that will be less impact compared to some of the other places….(relatively speaking)

There will be effects even here in the Midwest. We are having far more high heat days which are very hard on livestock, especially dairy cattle. Something he should know since he represents Wisconsin. 🤦🏼‍♀️

Oh, absolutely.

But, it still has direct access to one if largest body of fresh water….and the impact of drought will be relatively less impactful (Although i doubt midwest can survive or escape from the the human v. Human aspect of climate change )

The damage that will be done by invasive pests and diseases will also be a threat to everyone, especially in the ag states. The conservatives don’t seem to understand that either.

And you are not going to be happy with the decorations for the state dinner. I just saw a photo. 🤦🏼‍♀️

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I'm fairly sure he's doing the bullying thing of being "stupid on purpose" or willfully ignorant, but it's hard to say.

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Carroll's lawyer notes the Eric Trump tweeted about him.
After that, [Judge] Kaplan issues a stern warning to Trump's lawyer Joe Tacopina, saying the posts could put the ex-prez and "conceivably" his son "in harm's way."

https://twitter.com/KlasfeldReports/status/1651307821831422008?

This is a great time for Montana Republicans to listen. Roll up your sleeves and listen to the medical professionals, families, and those who represent them. Bipartisanship requires real work and empathy. Now is your chance to listen, learn, and lead.

https://apnews.com/article/zooey-zephyr-montana-transgender-protest-b1ef8ed58f9aa69b14733b779c16ff9d

When leaders who know the trans community are telling you that your actions will result in heartbreaking consequences, listen. Suicide amongst youth in the LGBTQ (especially trans) community is a serious problem. It’s not an unfounded threat, it’s a reality.

https://twitter.com/Chasten/status/1651259970699026437

Don't touch that, @ DesiLydic!

https://twitter.com/TheDailyShow/status/1651242808605376512

Extended version of the chaotic ending to that interview. 😄

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Haha.

I do like the light up glass panels though. Gives the operations center a nice tech vibe.

I think this is the full version? For people who are in the wrong country and can't watch on YouTube!

https://twitter.com/RossFeinstein/status/1651202787835801600/

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Oh thanks! I really enjoyed this!

That's it! Which is nice, because you can hear the audience's reaction in this one. 😊

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193k views on YouTube as of now. Generally positive comments but some don't get that Pete was very much in on the joke. He really does have a perfect deadpan.💙💛👏

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Boyo has a little acting experience and it shows.

He’s got a very dry sense of humour, it goes over peoples heads because they don’t expect it from a politician. They perceive him as not playing along

Pete can actually be quite funny, it's just that some people can't or won't see it because it doesn't fit the image of him they have in their heads.

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Chasten said it best. “Pete is funny. He’s not as funny as me, but he’s funny.”

Seriously, he has great sense of humor.

It was sad that he had to hold back during the primary as it became more heated.

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True. But also, some people don’t fully get the idea of theater or acting in the real world (as in, not on stage). There are still some folks on Twitter who think that the Wetzel’s Pretzels manager in that job-hunting skit on Jimmy Kimmel, when Pete was the guest host, really works there [ie, at Wetzel's]. In that case, it’s clear to them that Pete is acting, but they don’t realize she is. SMH. (Per IMDB, btw, the Wetzel’s manager was played by Karina Bonnefil.) Maybe it’s just the level of absurdity for some characters that makes it easier to tell?

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Karina was a hoot in that sketch and I told her so on Twitter.

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Today marks the 70th anniversary of the signing of the Executive Order that codified the "Lavender Scare" - a dark chapter in our Nation's history when thousands of LGBTQI+ Federal employees were investigated, interrogated, and fired because of who they were and whom they loved.

.@POTUS issued the first ever Presidential Proclamation to reflect on the lives affected by this discrimination, honor the courage of those who fought to end this injustice, and celebrate the contributions of our Nation’s LGBTQI+ public servants.

As a public servant, this anniversary is one of personal importance to me. It's a reminder of how far we've come and the work that continues under this Administration to advance full inclusion and equal protection for LGBTQI+ Americans.

https://twitter.com/PressSec/status/1651277014622519320

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2023/04/26/a-proclamation-on-the-70th-anniversary-of-the-lavender-scare/

I am equally proud to have mandated additional protections for the fundamental rights of LGBTQI+ Americans. I have appointed barrier-breaking LGBTQI+ leaders to the highest levels of Government, including the first openly gay Senate-confirmed Cabinet Secretary, the first two openly transgender Americans to be confirmed by the United States Senate, and the first open lesbian to achieve the rank of Ambassador. When Americans tune in to the daily White House press briefing, they see the first openly gay White House Press Secretary representing my Administration on the world stage.

I just read the full statement at the link. Thank you so much for sharing this.

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I mentioned this before but just thought I'd share this story as well.

"A Lost Dog, a Heartbroken Lawmaker, and the Strangers Who Reunited Them" https://cardinalnews.org/2023/04/25/a-lost-dog-a-heartbroken-lawmaker-and-the-strangers-who-reunited-them/

About the best connection I can come up with is that this is all about the meaning of adopting rescue dogs, just as Pete and Chasten did.

Powerful testimony about abortion care.

“I wanted to address my senators, Cruz and Cornyn.. I would like for them to know that what happened to me is a direct result of the policies they support. I nearly died on their watch and I may have been robbed of the opportunity to have children in the future”

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1651262879788859392?t=XPajtvpn57BKYQJvd-zl-w&s=19

Click for video.

This woman is the lead plaintiff in the Texas abortion ban lawsuit. She wanted to be pregnant, and wanted this child.

Shame on John Cornyn and Ted Cruz, who are on this committee, for failing to show up at the hearing. They're both fucking cowards.

This is a similar story, this time in Oklahoma.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2023/04/25/1171851775/oklahoma-woman-abortion-ban-study-shows-confusion-at-hospitals

The molar pregnancy Jaci Statton had would never become a baby. It was cancerous, though.

At the last hospital in Oklahoma she went to during her ordeal last month, Statton says staff told her and her husband that she could not get a surgical abortion until she became much sicker.

"They were very sincere; they weren't trying to be mean," Statton, 25, says. "They said, 'The best we can tell you to do is sit in the parking lot, and if anything else happens, we will be ready to help you. But we cannot touch you unless you are crashing in front of us or your blood pressure goes so high that you are fixing to have a heart attack.'"

She ended up traveling to Kansas.

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Just in from CNN - Disney is suing DeSantis, accusing him of "retaliation".

I have to agree with Elie Mystal's take here:

I obviously support Disney over Ron DeSantis and think that his weaponization of state resources against Disney for criticizing Florida's bigotry is a point and click violation of Disney's free speech.

BUT...

My progressivism prevents me from going to the mattresses for a company that has carved out a fiefdom (magic fiefdom? magic kingdom?) that is essentially immune to local and state government control and oversight.

Essentially, Disney got to pick its own "government" oversight board. WHICH IS WRONG. And then DeSantis changed it because he hates gay people. WHICH IS ALSO WRONG.

DeSantis is MORE wrong because he's motivated by bigotry and pettiness, but you see my problem here.

Anyway... I hope Disney wins but don't ask me to think about it too much. :)

https://twitter.com/ElieNYC/status/1651265571051241475

But Disney also has all the burdens of government. If Florida was willing to take that on, it would have been relatively simple to dissolve the existing structure.

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I mean, I'm no lawyer but that's blatently what he is doing

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Today's the first day of witness testimony in the E. Jean Carroll civil lawsuit against TFG, and of course he can't restrain himself from attempted witness tampering.

Trump just swiped at E. Jean Carroll twice in the last hour on Truth Social, calling her case a "made up SCAM."
We'll see if the missives come up in court today.

https://twitter.com/KlasfeldReports/status/1651225236480638982

Judge Kaplan says Trump's comments are "entirely inappropriate."
Tacopina says he'll "try to address that with my client."

Tacopina says he'll ask him to "refrain from any further posts regarding this case."
Judge: "Well, I hope you're more successful," adding that Trump "may or may not be tampering with a new source of potential liability."
"And I think you know what I mean."

https://twitter.com/KlasfeldReports/status/1651229507037065222

E. Jean Carroll:
"I'm here because Donald Trump raped me."

https://twitter.com/KlasfeldReports/status/1651245159575703552

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The first Biden-Harris ad going up in seven states this week is excellent.

https://twitter.com/chrislongview/status/1651212000196739079?t=2-nwXGbBpOIrhGvAcHHagQ&s=19

Love it.

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From an hour ago:

The FAA ✈️ @ FAA_Billy is testifying before the U.S. House of Representatives on the FAA’s FY 2024 budget request. Watch live at https://youtu.be/is8pXWHkdpQ.

https://twitter.com/FAANews/status/1651227642249478156

Extensive thread follows.

Still live when I checked in a moment ago. Transportation feels like an alternate more peaceful universe sometimes. When I completely randomly checked in, a representative was inviting Billy Nolen to visit and describing delicious Mexican food as an enticement, with Nolen smilingly responding.

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Here’s another movie I hope to watch that is also premiering at a film festival (Tribeca) starring Billy Porter and Luke Evans:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CrLv0VjrTXX/

theebillyporter

Excited to announce that “Our Son” has been included as an Official Selection of the 2023 Tribeca Festival.

"Our Son" tells the painful story of a divorcing couple fighting over the custody of their eight year-old son. The beautiful part, though, is that the divorcing couple happens to be two gay men. We do not often see ourselves portrayed in these types of stories - with depth and breadth, normalizing LGBTQ love, marriage, and parenthood. I’m so proud of this project and could not have asked for a better co-star to join me on this journey. People come into your life for a reason, a season, and/or a lifetime. There’s hope in that. And just because a relationship does not succeed romantically doesn’t mean that that person isn’t in your life forever. Love has and takes many forms.

.#Tribeca2023 takes place June 7-18, 2023 in NYC. Single tickets go on sale May 2 at https://tribecafilm.com/festival

Nicky (Luke Evans), a book publisher devoted to his work, lives with his husband Gabriel (Billy Porter), a former actor and stay-at-home dad, and their eight year-old son, Owen. Gabriel loves Owen more than anything; Nicky loves Gabriel more than anything. Despite appearances, Gabriel has been dissatisfied with their marriage for some time and files for divorce, leading to a custody battle that forces both of them to confront the changing reality of their love for each other and for their son.

Director Bill Oliver (Jonathan) creates an intimate drama that is beautifully human, heartbreaking and hopeful with OUR SON. Billy Porter and Luke Evans shine as two fathers navigating the difficult journey through a messy divorce that will leave them both transformed.

@tribeca @thereallukeevans

Sounds great. I’ve been really wanting more queer films that don’t just focus on teens and/or coming out stories. Older, healthy gay characters are much needed.

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Agreed! Same here.

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Here's the @ FAANews on House Republican proposals.

Quote-Tweeting:

The budget cuts considered by some would be raw, they would be deep, and they would impact the flying public. Cuts will slow modernization of old systems, hobble our effort to train more controllers and jeopardize our work to usher in the next era of aviation. - @ FAA_Billy

[Part of longer @ FAANews thread]

https://twitter.com/FAANews/status/1651231539823271936

https://twitter.com/bhalle87/status/1651239450985283590

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Some fun entertainment news:

I know we have some fans of Pedro Pascal and Ethan Hawke here, so I just wanted to share that the trailer for their short film by Pedro Almodóvar just dropped. This will premiere at the Cannes Film Festival next month.

https://youtu.be/GAFTIamkqSY

A new short by Pedro Almodóvar starring Ethan Hawke and Pedro Pascal.

A man rides a horse across the desert that separates him from Bitter Creek. He comes to visit Sheriff Jake. Twenty-five years earlier, both the sheriff and Silva, the rancher who rides out to meet him, worked together as hired gunmen. Silva visits him with the excuse of reuniting with his friend from his youth, and they do indeed celebrate their meeting, but the next morning Sheriff Jake tells him that the reason for his trip is not to go down the memory lane of their old friendship....

https://www.indiewire.com/2023/04/strange-way-of-life-trailer-pedro-pascal-ethan-hawke-pedro-almodovar-1234832336/

The film could be Almodóvar’s answer to “Brokeback Mountain,” a film he was initially circling to direct before moving on from the project over creative differences — namely, that he wanted to make the film much gayer and more sexually explicit.

Of his vision of “Brokeback Mountain,” the filmmaker said, “The relation between these two guys is animalistic. It was a physical relationship. The punch of the movie comes when they have to separate, and Heath Ledger discovers that he can’t think about leaving. That’s a strong discovery. But until that moment, it is animalistic, and for me it was impossible to have that in the movie because it was a Hollywood movie. You could not have these two guys fucking all the time.”

Director Almodóvar confirmed that “Strange Way of Life” is a “queer Western in the sense that there are two men, and they love each other, and they behave in that situation in an opposite way” during podcast “Dua Lipa: At Your Service.”

The running time isn't listed on IMDb, but apparently it's under 60 minutes, so hopefully that means it will be available to stream once it's released on May 26.

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Some more info here:

What do you all think of the trailer for Pedro Almodóvar’s short film, STRANGE WAY OF LIFE, starring Ethan Hawke & Pedro Pascal? The film will have its world premiere on May 17th #Cannes2023 and come to theaters on August 16th #FilmTwitter

https://twitter.com/nextbestpicture/status/1651175444668993537

Aw, darn. So it will be in theaters. I wonder if it'll be paired with another film.

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I have a feeling this will be available online as well.

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Keeping my fingers crossed, fam. 👀

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.@SecretaryPete joins @jonquilynhill on The Weeds podcast to discuss how to make America’s roads safer

https://www.vox.com/podcasts/23698202/pete-buttigieg-roadway-deaths-public-transportation

https://twitter.com/voxdotcom/status/1651214628926500865?s=46

From yesterday, but I don't think it was shared... Sorry if it's a duplicate!

WATCH: “Thank you for being a role model for the young.”

As the #TennesseeThree arrived at the White House a group of Jewish students from across 🇺🇸 were there on a tour, and they were thrilled to meet @ brotherjones_. #TikkunOlam

Click for video clip

https://twitter.com/TheTNHoller/status/1650922275300884480

Gosh, this made me teary.

What an unexpected treat for these 11th graders.

INBOX: We’re told these Jewish students who met brotherjones at the White House were Bronfman Fellows

https://twitter.com/TheTNHoller/status/1651209257923096578?

This is the Bronfman Fellows website -

https://bronfman.org/

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Tim Miller has an interesting article comparing the campaigns of DeSantis and Elizabeth Warren. He starts with this caveat:

BEFORE THE “BOTH SIDES” POLICE turn on their sirens, let me just preface this by making clear that this isn’t about the merits of their respective policy proposals. Neither is it an attempt to claim that DeSantis and Warren are equivalent on any moral, intellectual, physical, or even metaphysical scale.

We are talking—purely and completely—about the raw mechanics of presidential politicking. And at that level, the underlying flaw in each of their early campaigns is the same.

https://plus.thebulwark.com/p/ron-desantis-has-an-elizabeth-warren-problem

DESANTIS HAS TIME TO REORIENT his pitch. In 2019, it seemed as if Warren might be uniquely positioned to bridge the Bernie and Biden wings of the party. She ended up getting squeezed on both ends: not authentically Bernie enough for the comrades, a little too out there and unelectable-seeming for the normie Dems.

As the 2024 race now stands, DeSantis could avoid that same squeeze because he has no Joe or Pete or Amy on his normie flank.

I have to admit I enjoy seeing Pete in the normie list.

Nicolle asked David Plouffe either yesterday or Monday about DeSantis' failed campaign, and he pointed out that both of the campaigns they worked on in 2008 (Obama and McCain) were declared over and done more than once, so he feels it's too early to write off DeSantis.

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I think I've mentioned it before, but President George H.W. Bush was considered a slam dunk in 1992 because of Desert Storm (92 percent approval ratings). so the heavy hitters in the Dem Party did not run. Instead, Dems were left with the "seven dwarfs" (commonly referred to that way in the media) who were seen as obvious losers -- and pretty much all the same, too. One of them turned out to be Bill Clinton.

Yikes, I mixed up 1988 and 1992 when it came to the actual "seven dwarfs" moniker. Thanks to the correct info from @ Psychological-Play. I think I have seen 92 percent approval for Bush (perhaps it was an outlier), but here's a source showing 88 percent in Bush's heyday. That's still incredibly high -- but it didn't last. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/george-h-w-bush-the-publics-view-of-him-during-his-presidency/

Plus it's not the worst thing in the world to have a Rhodes Scholar as the Dem nominee.

Just noticed that "The Seven Dwarfs" were candidates in the 1988 primary. The 1992 primary had five candidates - Clinton, Tom Harkin, Jerry Brown, Paul Tsongas, and Bob Kerry -

The 1988 campaign featured an open contest on both the Republican and Democratic sides, as Republican Pres. Ronald Reagan was entering the last year of his second term. Numerous contenders on the Democratic side entered the race. Commentators referred derisively to them as “The Seven Dwarfs.” They included former Arizona Gov. Bruce Babbitt, Delaware Sen. Joe Biden, Massachusetts Gov. Michael Dukakis, Missouri Rep. Richard Gephardt, Tennessee Sen. Al Gore, civil rights leader Jesse Jackson, and Illinois Sen. Paul Simon. Three candidates who were somewhat more inspiring had decided not to run: former senator Gary Hart of Colorado, who dropped out because of a sex scandal, reentered the race and then dropped out for good; New Jersey Sen. Bill Bradley; and New York Gov. Mario Cuomo, who simply declined to run.

https://www.britannica.com/event/United-States-presidential-election-of-1988

Oh, I was sure I had that right! Thanks for checking, I should have done so. Will fix above.

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I think we have Ross Perot to thank for Bill Clinton's win

The head of Bush's post-presidency staff, Jean Becker, said that he hated only two people, and Ross Perot was one of them (the other one, I'm pretty sure, was Saddam Hussein).

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If you look at exit polling, Perot not being in the race would have only flipped at most one state

538 did a video on this https://fivethirtyeight.com/videos/the-ross-perot-myth/

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I'd agree if he had any actual appeal. And maybe he will get the nomination by default due to lack of other options and donor/party effort. But the only reason he's considered is a mirage. He failed to capitalize on that so it's hard to say he's really in any better position than any other undeclared candidate.

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Was not expecting a Gramsci reference.

More recently, DeSantis seems to have grown fascinated with a different theory that has spread rapidly on the right. It posits that the far left has gained control of the media, schools, entertainment, and even many corporations, from which position it will extend its control over the rest of society. (They often refer to this process by using a line allegedly from the Italian communist Antonio Gramsci, “the long march through the institutions.”) Conservatives believe they must gain control of government and use the power of the state to halt the spread of these radical theories, or else face ideological extinction.

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Both far far too online, too obsessed with owning the other side, and too focused on fighting that they think fighting is the entire point.

And both coronated by the media through a thin, one-dimensional analysis well before campaign season.