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"don't be a dick or else everyone you know will back stab you and you'll end up alone with nothing"
Is this an official quote from Negan? Cause it's sounds like something he says to Maggie
now that you mention it, maybe he did say something like this in the reapers arc... idk though, I was just thinking about how many people back stabbed him lol
Ironically Simon stabbed him in the back cuz he wasn't dick enough
you just can’t make some people happy
Leopards ate his face.
It's like perfect for him, tho like nail on the head for negan. Cause he was a dick which caused a bunch of people even his closest to stab him in the back.
Nothing gets past you
He should have killed Daryl instead of Glenn so we could really test the limits of the fandoms spiciness
LMAO fr they would be PISSED
You can't murder a guy by bashing his head in repeatedly in front of his pregnant wife and expect that she'll ever forgive you no matter what you do to redeem yourself.
Maggie pretty much made peace with Negan in TWD series finale.
She said she would try. Dead City kind of negates that
That’s one of the reasons why I found it more boring to watch, like I get why it was done but I really wasn’t interested in the whole I Maggie and Negan drama I wanted to see more of the new allies not them all just getting murdered in one episode or so.
They had a moment. That’s all it was.
Did you see Dead City?
Yes and your point would be exactly what?
He’s gonna be calling him Uncle Negan by the end of next season 😏
She didn't make peace with him.
Who ever down voted me obviously didn't watch the Dead City. It may have seemed like Maggie made peace with him at the end of TWD, but in Dead City, she's just as angry with him... so NO, she didn't make peace with him.
They weren't at peace in Dead City.
Damn. Hostile much?
Did you… read the comment you replied to?
her son didn’t 😭🙏🔥
It’s funny because you look at what Rick says to The Governor as a final plea for Hershel’s life, and that’s Negan. We’re never the same people we once were. Always changing, by force or from within. Negan had a view for the world, it was wrong. Rick had one long before that which was right. He just had to find it again, they both did.
Being a dilf can have fans forgive you for even the most heinous of things
Also being Jeffery Dead Morgan in movies and tv in general. Convincing doctors to break rules, everything the comedian did, being in BvS, etc.
Yeah I can’t wait to see what crimes he’ll do in the boys s4 and how I’ll justify them because he’s hot lol. If Negan wasn’t played by someone like him would been killed off but there’s always redemption in a handsome rugged man.
This I have to agree with
It's okay to be a murderer and rapist as long as you are charismatic
Also what I learned from the Ted Bundy craze a few years ago where he was basically embraced as a sex symbol
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He’s anti-violent rape, sure. But coercing multiple women into sexual relationships simultaneously by threatening their actual loved ones with violent retribution should they refuse? Apparently not one of Negan’s hangups.
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Yikes.
Except he pressured women to be his wives..
People change. Whether it's for good or evil, people will change and adapt to survive
To add to that: But not everyone will accept you for who you have become. You just need to accept that and move on with your life.
Show Negan to me feels like a question of can you forgive someone for their choices. Sorta like a prisoner/redemption story. You know this person did bad things and hurt people, but they went to jail, served time, and then tried to redeem themselves. He’s a great example if you can forgive someone like that.
It’s never too late to do good
That Jeffrey Dean Morgan is so dang charming and fun to watch that people will keep giving him stuff to do
Sucks don’t it. The moment you realize you don’t know shit.
That’s his arc. Him realizing he doesn’t know near as much as he thinks he does and adapting from them. You could take Negan’s initial rant at Rick and Co and redirect it at Negan later on in the show and it would apply relatively well.
Negan is not a great guy, he wasn’t before the apocalypse and he only became worse after but his realization of that allowed him to counteract his bad tendencies and try to become good and, in some ways, he succeeded. A lot of what Negan is near the end is a bad man, trying to do good, only to aware of the darkness that is bubbling beneath him.
So Amos from The Expanse?
Save enough main characters and people will forget your sex slavery
I’m mad at the writers for that. They had the governor raping Michonne for hours on end taken out of the show, same with Alpha (iirc) forcing members of the group to have sex with her daughter. Why do they keep Negan’s coercion slavery in there? And why do they try so badly to hide it?
because the idea of it being a quid-pro-quo sort of deal, as opposed to gunpoint, makes it better. simple gimple 😔
They likely didn't know how far Negan's redemption arc was going to go back when the character was first introduced.
As I understand it, Negan in the comics gets let out of confinement after killing Alpha, but is also exiled and winds up living alone in a cabin in the woods. He's never accepted by the community like he was toward the end of the show, never gets a wife and kids (if somewhat briefly), never becomes essentially the outright hero of his own story/show.
it's possible they thought people could stomach Rapey Negan being let out of jail eventually and left to lead a life of solitude, not realizing that eventually Negan would evolve into one of the main heroes of the franchise. (Deserved or not, he's at least the secondary male lead for the last, like, three seasons of the original show). Once he did, they could either try to reckon with ALL of his past actions (not just killing Glenn) or be cherry-pickers, continually reminding us of some of his evil actions while glossing over others. They chose the latter.
It's similar to the show Better Call Saul, which kinda forgets that Breaking Bad's version of Saul *repeatedly* urged his clients to have people killed ("sent to Belize"), not to mention arguably sexually harassing a female employee. He was a total scumbag who only started to develop some heart and nuance toward the end of his time on the show. I love BCS, but I don't think it ever really believably showed us Jimmy McGill's transformation into "that guy."
People were already forgiving him when it was actively happening because he's a charismatic and attractive guy. So I'd say it's more like "be lucky enough to be attractive and charismatic and people will happily stand by while you commit sexual slavery (also normal slavery)"
Seems like the writers forgot about it too tbh. They went out of their way to make him a better man than he should have been, probably due to his massive fanbase.
I think it’s because a lot of people don’t see coercion as rape. There have been studies, a lot of people think coercion to get sex is fine and dandy. They’ll even say they’ve done it. But if you ask these same people if they’ve committed rape, oh gosh no!! That’s awful!! There is a societal disconnect between what actually is rape, and what some people think it is (their definition is mostly just randoms jumping out of bushes, hitting the victim/threatening with a knife and then raping).
I don’t see much of a difference between blackmail and coercion. The textbook definition of coercion is “getting someone to do something for you by threatening or forcing them”. Flat out, saying “become my wife and have giant sex parties with me or I kill your husband” is terrible. The more I think about it the less I like Negan.
It’s almost quite shady how Jeffrey Dean Morgan himself doesn’t seem to understand that coercion is still classified as rape. I always remember that Twitter where he kept insisting that Negan isn’t a rapist.
Maybe I misunderstood it, but that how it came across. Correct me if I’m wrong.
Even made it a point of him to kill Dave after he tried to rape Sasha. But coercion is fine, right?
Exactly. Framing him as a “hero” for not being as rapey as he could have been was an absolutely ridiculous move by the writers. Very strange morality being applied lol.
I often forget about it because I don’t watch Season 7 or 8 for fun anymore, it’s boring to me. They’re trying super hard to let Negan’s past be forgotten, which is why I’d be surprised if Dwight or Sherry show up again- they’ll just bring up his rapey side
No idea, his 'redemption' arc is probably one of my least favorite things about the show
I loved him as a villain, but I hate him and he doesn't deserve redemption. He enjoys sadism way too much, even in dead city he was mutilating a body and taunting the friends. Letting him live is one thing, letting him be free is fucking insane.
True, like how can anyone sane just forget what he did in 7x01?
Do you think Spike deserved redemption in Buffy, or Clarissa in The Expanse? Or Theon in Game of Thrones? Better question, does redemption need to be deserved? The world’s largest religion is based on answering no to that question. Arguably, Buddhism as well.
I haven't seen any of those shows.
If redemption doesn't have to be earned at all then it has no meaning, and everyone is already redeemed. That seems like a pointless discussion.
I wasn't talking about salvation in the afterlife, but redeeming himself enough to live as a free man after what he did. He should not be free, sparing him was already an incredible mercy.
In the zombie apocalypse? It’s not normal society, it’s a world with bigger threats than Negan. He helped get rid of one of them. In terms of deserving, I mean it’s all about whether it works in context of the story. Rick gave The Governor a chance to redeem himself, but he chose otherwise, because that wasn’t his character. Negan is more complex.
his arc is a great example of "some things can never be forgiven, even if you change for the better. know when to leave and restart life far away from people you tortured and taunted" like come on. his redemption arc attempt was poor anyway but he should have left the show regardless of whatever happened. he crossed a line that could never be walked back behind. no amount of kindness or protectiveness around hershel can ever negate the fact that negan laughed and taunted his dad as he beat him to death 🤷
True, I can’t understand how people are defensive over him after what he did to Glenn and the living hell he out Maggie through
moral of the story is no matter how dope he is, rick should have out a fkin bullet in him the second he got a chance. If somone crosses you, you execute with extreme predjudice untill the job is done. periot
from a comic perspective, i guess the moral is that insecure people can be real assholes and taking away their audience is the true punishment.
from a show perspective (not really watched the show that far), you can be a monster but just be good to a few kids and they'll welcome you with open arms.
I think the comic part is right. For the show, I think it’s more between people are either born an asshole or made an asshole, and that second chances do count for something.
they never actually welcomed him with open arms more begrudgingly decided to not actively try to kill him because after spending years locked up he took out your main enemy at the time.
Always try to hot diggity dog your man-sized balls
If you’re going to wipe out your enemies?
DON’T put one of their former people in charge of munitions.
If a fanbase thirst over an initially temporary character enough, the writers will cave to pressure and make the character permanent at great expense of the overall plot and quality of the TV show.
Look at the comics and negan was for sure gonna be a main character after all out war. If you mean post season 10 however, I can understandthat
His redemption arc is from the comics dumb dumb
Temperate times can bring out the morally vague sides of our psyche. Times of chaos and survival can give will to a savage and primal need for survival and protection. The human condition is to protect yourself, and those that you care about, who or are vulnerable. To do this you must sacrifice the moral ethos of what it means to be an ethical being in a civilized society. Protect the few against the view of the many. To do this you must sacrifice a part of your soul.
Only when you abandon this flight or fight mentality will you see that collaboration leads to survival. You will never be able to atone for your previous actions, despite how well-intentioned they were in your own worldview.
You propagated an image of strength and conviction. To make amends for the wrongs you carried out while you thought you were doing good, You must now admit a weakness. To admit, weakness is something you have never been able to do.
You can only reveal yourself to a child. A child who has experienced losses so devastating that it would break an adult. A loss that you experienced as an adult that broke you.
Strength is not survival. Survival is not domination. To survive, you must be vulnerable.
Every asshole can redeem themselves
Destroy your enemy completely.
if you get paired up with enough kids to have sentimental dynamics with, you don’t have to put in the effort of actually redeeming yourself because people will associate you being good with kids as you being a good person after previously being the villain in almost everyone else’s story
Some people will forgive anything if you’re conventionally attractive
"next time we line up 15 people, kill all of em instead of two."
Even the worst person can be redeemed but no one liked that lol
You can be a rapist psychopath and people will still love you. Not a particularly good moral though.
He’s a fictional character. I don’t know why people take moral lessons from make believe. What matters is whether he was a well written character.
He’s a fictional character. I don’t know why people take moral lessons from make believe. What matters is whether he was a well written character.
Interesting characters make a TV show more enjoyable to watch
Do what you have to do
“I know we all can change” - Rick Grimes
Never underestimate people’s capacity to rationalize even the most egregious crimes.
He was bad now he good
Everyone can be redeemed. Even psychotic killers
If a kid gets a B in PE.....don't beat them with a bat ☺️
That you can be as charming and handsome as him and get away with murder.
Everything's chill if you're a dilf.
Process your emotions, else you become a real asshole.
Giving your dead wife's name to a baseball bat and crying when you get separated from it means you just haven't processed that she's dead and wanna feel like she's still alive.
That doesn't absolve him from his mistakes, but it's clearly a leading cause of his behavioral change.
When he accepted that she was gone and burned the bat is when he really changed.
Terrible times can ruin people and twist them into monsters, but they can also build back stronger once they realise their atrocities if they put great effort into redeeming themselves.
“We all can change” - Rick Grimes
"Should ve killed them all then and there"