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Regarding Black Swan builds

Build Discussion

I have seen a lot of people asking for builds so here's my quick run down guide for her

4piece Prisoner in deep confinement will be her bis, BS can easily and quite fast get the four piece effect up and going and 18% defense ignore on top of the 20% she gets in her ultimate is the perfect synergy for her

For Planaer Ornaments Commercial Enterprise will be her top pick because of the 10% ehr bonus stat and as well because of the attack increase from her ehr, you can also go for glamoth because of the universal damage bonus

For the main stats Speed, Ehr, Wind, Energy rope You want Speed to help her reach 135-140 speed so she can go twice in a cycle The reason why you want a ehr chest piece instead of attack is because of her trace that can boost her damage dealt based on 60% of her ehr which can help with LC and a body piece, you could go for attack to increase the dot damage. But her ideal role is as a support to keep her ultimate uptime so a err rope would be better as well

Substats Speed>Attack>Break Effect>Effect Hit Rate

If you're asking why shouldn't ehr be the main priority? Mainly because a ehr main stats relic piece gives 43% while a Lightcone gives 40% and her traces gives 10% ehr adding them up together you get 93% total ehr. And if you're using enterprise another 10% capping to 103% total ehr making the substat requirement be more easier to manage

Now for Lightcones Obviously her signature will be her BIS In the name of the world could be her second bis if you manage to get her ehr requirement through substats which can be dificult. Anyways, it gives a damage bonus towards debuffed enemies I don't know if the damage bonus also applies to ultimate so correct me there. But when the user uses their skill the ehr of this attack increases by 18% and gives a attack bonus by 24%

We're not gonna talk about Incessant Rain mainly because it's pretty useless on her

Kafka's signature might be good if you have it but I believe it falls behind Welt's signature

Solitary Healing As long as you can break enemies with Black Swan it could be a decent option for her since wind break is pretty strong

The two best four star light cones will be Eyes of the prey at S5 and Before the tutorial mission begins alsl at S5

Prey gives 40% ehr at S5 and gives Dot damage by a additional 42%

Tutorial will be her BIS as a supportive role Because it also gives 40% ehr and a additional 8 energy when enemies have their def reduced if you use this as well with a energy rope you could have possibly a 3 turn rotation to get her ult up consistently

Outside of them S5 Resolution will be decent on her because of the 16% defense debuff maxed out and her skill has a 20.8% defense debuff at talent level 10% so this has potential for her but it will be harder to ger her ehr requirements

Teams Although her kit is centered around being a support for Kafka dot teams she can be played outside of it most notable in a team with Dr Ratio If you don't know Dr Ratio's damage is centered around his follow ups based on the amount of debuffs the enemies have each having 20% increase along with a 40% base chance. BW could have good potential with Ratio considering the fact she already applies debuffs with Scarament and a defense debuff with her skill and if you use S5 Resolution it already caps out and as wel Ratio as a 100% base chance to reduce the enemies effect ress by 10% on skill making it easier for her to land her debuffs You can use BW outside of those teams because of her defense debuff on skill and since it last for three turns she can be a SP positive character

So that's all for the guide. Wish everyone good luck for their future pulls for Blacl Swam!

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Edited

A couple of criticisms:

For the main stats Speed, Ehr, Wind, Energy rope

Energy rope always comes up in betas but to this point has always proven to be inferior on dps. Swan may be the first to break that trend, but I think recommending this before v3 beta based on feelscrafting is poor form. Atk% rope is more than likely the better play.

Substats Speed>Attack>Break Effect>Effect Hit Rate

I don't think Swan has room for BE in her builds if you want good speed thresholds. She needs all the atk she can get after meeting that and 120% ehr.

I'd suggest If you want a strong breaker in the team play triple dot with BE Sampo or Luka, who have lower scaling in their core kits and give up less to scale their break damage. Or just rely on Mei's buffs from her kit plus the 2.0 break set, which can get you to 144% for free.

can be played outside of it most notable in a team with Dr Ratio

Swan in Ratio team is pure copium. She is inferior to Pela and SW in this role. It's a weak one way synergy and won't allow Swans kit to even reach 7 stacks reliably while requiring a wind + imaginary weak enemy to contribute any meaningful dps. Using SW or Pela will result in better amp while only needing the single imaginary weakness to be effective.

u/kage_okami_560 avatar

Yeah i agree it's copium witj Ratio but it is a fun idea to try out though.

But I disagree with the second even if energy would be a dps loss would it honestly affect how you play her at all? If you play her with Kafka. Kafka is going to be the main one doing damage not her I know because all of my dot characters have Break Effect builds since they're the one's breaking shields not Kafka herself same will be with Black Swan as well I believe

And also third. I added Break could be good if you're not planning on going for Ruan Mei cause some of us can't pull on every character myself included I have to skip in order to at least reach pity.

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Kafka is going to be the main one doing damage not her

Kafka triggers most of the damage. But Swans stats are what dictate how much her side of the equation does. Tcs on Kafka main have it at about a 50/50 split or slightly in favour of Swan as far as dmg distribution, unless you call all Kafka's trigger dmg hers (which it isn't as far as scaling is concerned).

What you are saying makes more sense for a Sampo build because he doesn't have as much straight up scaling power as Swan or Kafka, and also has no where near as extreme stat requirements. I do the same thing with Sampo using him as a hybrid. Holding ult with Sampo/Luka to guarantee breaks is less of a problem though. Holding Swan's ult is not something you want to do since they payoff mechanism is time dependant, so stopping Kafka sniping breaks will be trickier to pull off in practice.

I'm not going to say it can't work, but you give up a lot more dmg with Swan than you do with Sampo by building this way. Break effect certainly won't be in her standard builds as a priority.

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It’s the other way around, she’s the primary dps and kafka is the hybrid dps/support to help her build sacrament

Even without kafka she can be play with Sampo E4 / Gui (not optimal obviously)

Welt LC is not great cause most of buffs is on skill, and her rotation is EAA. I would argue S5 Sampo LC is 2nd BiS due to permanent EHR and DOT buff.

u/Shamsy92 avatar

Swan stats dictate half or slightly more of the damage Kafka triggers, so ER Rope is definitely hurting DPS a lot, ATK > unless we get some new development next beta version

Great summary of her builds/comps. Looking forward to see how well Kafka performs after swapping the secondary DoT dps with Black Swan.

u/kage_okami_560 avatar

Thank you! I'm really excited to see her perform with my Kafka as well as using her with Ratio too I feel like her and Ratio could be a interesting pairing

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I was able to get 65% EHR without main body.

Also I was not able to get speed boots with good EHR.

So I ended up with Attack % on all items: Rope and Rob and Body and Shoes. with approximately 115% EHR after her trace + LC.

Her speed is base but I have Ruanmei. How bad is it? If I lose my boots for speed boots I could end up with only 100 EHR after trace + LC. Is attack % body still worth it or should I switch to EHR body? But then I'd have 142 EHR after trace+LC

u/kage_okami_560 avatar

Pretty good stats honestly! If you can reach the ehr requirements without a chest piece. At that point you can prioritize getting speed to always go ahead of Kafka to generate SP and to proc her follow up when it's active.

Problem is my Kafka is super fast. it's unlikely BS would be faster. :(. My BS set includes att % boot.

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What's better? S5 Solitary Healing or S5 Tutorial?

u/kage_okami_560 avatar

Tutorial

Thanks. How large of a gap is the signature LC compared to Tutorial?

u/kage_okami_560 avatar

I don't have the math so don't take my word for it but from how things where in other signature's I'd say either close or by a large margin. Hard to tell without numbers

Thanks a lot! Thinking of using either Welt’s or Tutorial. Will have to level Welt LC to 80 if I’m lucky with EHR substats

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u/TheRyGuyAb avatar

I would suggest an ATK orb only if you're running her with RM.

u/shadoedarkne avatar

Sadly your guild is half good and half really bad.

The 4set is right.and the planet set. But your not right in mainstate and the substate part.

She need 70%EHR if you going for either her LC or tutorial. You might not need to run EHR chest of you can reach 70% with just the substate.

ER is not really useful for her unless your using tutorial again since only with that does ER make her rotation change. After 120%EHR your looking for as much SPD and even more atk for her. Break effect is somewhat useless on her since you don't get the same benefits that more spd and atk give you.

u/Argument_Icy avatar

I believe an Atk% sphere will be better than Wind dmg sphere, mainly because Ruan Mei, glamoth, and her A6 passive exists. These give her a ton of Wind dmg %, so you can stack up on Atk% since that will be the main multiplier for Sacrament procs.