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[Discussion] Battle Cat Uber Rare Tier List v8.7

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Now that Siluman has done a review for Gaia, I now finally have a green light.

Changes:

Ganglion promoted to A with God Emperor Form. Eva Unit-02 promoted to A+ with new form.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IFvb4SojZFI

Added Almighty Legend Creator Gaia (S) , Princess Punt Uber Cullet (B-) and Evangelion Uber Eva Unit-08 (A)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GYlVbrJV7WM

Saber promoted to A+. Saint Phoenix promoted to B+. Huge Hermit demoted to B. Harushuto demoted to C+. Crazed Kerihime promoted to C+.

Pretty minor this update, but still cool. Again, with thanks to Siluman and ItsTumbler.

SSS: Battle God Odin, Gao, Mitama

SS: Crow Tengu Tenten, Dark Li'l Valkyrie, D’Arktanyan (Valiant), Hatsuyume Mikan (Geishun), Kasa Jizo, Li’l Valkyrie

S: Dark Mitama (Gothic), D'Artanyan, Demon Cat (Balrog + Talents), Gilgamesh, Mighty Rekon Korps (Orbital Annihilator Ragnarok), Mimiluga (Mimilan), Shadow Gao (Diabolic), Shining Amaterasu, Windy (Divine + Talents)

A+: Baby Cat (Cradle), Empress Chronos, Eva Unit-02 (Code 777), Kalisa (Divine), Kaname Madoka, Maeda Keiji (Immortal), Radiant Aphrodite, Saber (Alter), Sanada Yukimura (Immortal + Talents), Tecoluga (Lufalan), Thundia (Divine + Talents), Togeluga (Shishilan), Type-Monshiro

A: Cat Machine (Mark 3), Cat Maid, Eva Unit-01 and 08, Ganglion (God-Emperor), Hayabusa, Honda Tadakatsu, Kai (Divine), Miki Sayaka, Miyabi Oyama (Baseball Mask), One Seat, Princess Kaguya, Sakura Matou, Splendid Ganesha, Super Zeus, Tomoe Mami, Twinstars (Ultima), Urashima Taro, Warlock and Pierre, Yuuvensu

A-: Akemi Homura, Akira (Inferno + Talents), Archer, Catman, Eva Unit-00, Herasutosu, Ice Cat (Crystal + Talents), Kuu (Divine + Talents), Megidora (God-Emperor + Talents), Mekako Saionji (Mission Control + Talents), Momotaro, Pai-Pai, Sarukani, Souma, Strike Unit REI, Subaru Hoshi (Dark), Super Devil, Takeda Shingen (Immortal + Talents), Todomeki, Vars (God-Emperor + Talents)

B+: Aer, Bebe, Bora, Date Masamune (Immortal), Dioramos (God-Emperor), Gunshin Odin, Illyasviel, Jupiter King, Kamukura (God-Emperor), Kyoko Sakura, Lancer, Mighty Bomburr (NEK-02 Air Citadel), Mighty Drednot (BCS Tigerclaw), Mighty Thermae D-Lux (Subterra Sentinels), Misheria (True Form), Nisetama Army, Nurse Cat (Joyful), Queen Reika, Raiden (God-Emperor), Rin Tohsaka, Satan Maria, Saint Phoenix (Head Rococo), Sea Maiden Ruri, Sodom (God-Emperor + Talents), Thunder God Zeus, Trickster Himeyuri, Uesugi Kenshin (Immortal), Wrathful Poseidon, Yuki [All Versions] (Nekomimi)

B: Anubis The Protector, Coppermine (Divine), Detective Vigler, Donald Morden, Hi-Do, Huge Hermit, Imagawa Yoshimoto (Immortal), Kachi-Kachi, King Berius, Mizli, Mobius, Mighty Kat-A-Pult (CAT-8 Behemoth), Monkey King, Nobel of The Emperor, Princess Ship (Premium), Rider, Saki Nijima (Samba), The Grateful Crane, Voli, White Rabbit, Wolfchild Deale, Wyburn

B-: Cat Clan Heroes, Cullet, KHM48 (46), Kooneria, Marauder Cat (Paladin), Natsu Mikan (Nouryou), Nimue, Nekoluga (Ultralan + Talents), Oda Nobunaga (Immortal + Talents), Sakura Sonic

C+: Balaluga (Piccolan), Crazed Kerihime (Manic), Graveflower Verbena, Harushuto (Revolutionary), Kubiluga (E Kubilan), Misutika, Nobiluga (Nobilan), Tangled Horse Javelins

C: Asiluga (Assassinlan), Mola King

Unranked: Chicken Cat, Most Seasonal Variants, and Collab Variants (i.e. Shinji Cat, NERV Moon, Gudenekomashin), Kitaro and Mouse

For Special Legends and Legend Rares:

SS: Wonder MOMOCO

S: Creator Gaia, Lumina, Ushiwakamaru

A+: Bahamut Cat (Awakened), Doctor Heaven, Legeluga (Legelan), Musashi Miyamoto

A: Black Zeus, Mighty Kristul Muu

A-: High Lord Babel, Ururun Wolf (Awakened)

B+: Dogumaru, Headmistress Jeanne, Red Riding Mina (Awakened)

B: Hermit Cat, Li'l Nyandam (Schoolbus), Masked Yulala, Mecha-Bun (Ultimate), Miyamoku Musashi (Awakened)

B-: Cat God The Great, Valkyrie Cat (Holy)

C to C+: Bun Bun Monger (Devil), Filibuster Cat X

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u/JonesHtog avatar

Hey, that's not Gaia review. That just me flexing my boosted Legend collection. Basically a shitpost.

Here is my take on Gaia:

  1. Insane DMG vs all traited enemy. Effective DPS is 28.5k. That's almost 3x times of Amaterasu. In literal sense, each of her attack has same destruction with Amaterasu. So even if enemy doesn't receive full attack from her, the DMG is still big. She straight up murders anyone who oppose her

  2. Her multihit is also placed neatly. The tempo is not too fast and too slow. It allows her second or third attack to connect on any knocked enemy.

  3. However, she possesses one big annoying weakness. Her LD is probably one worst in the game. The blind spot is 350. Her inner range is just 50. With one small push, a lot of enemy can enter her blindspot. To make her worse, her KB is just 2x, so she only has 1 chance to reposition herself.

tl;dr: High destruction but low accuracy and survivability. High risk, high reward unit. I won't give her SS tier. S is best place for her.

Ok, S

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u/Mochaccino9 avatar

Seems like this is just your own tier list and not a consensus of the overall community. It’s very misleading to post it as such.

u/Thirn avatar
  1. I'm pretty sure that DPS = Damage/TBA, not Damage/(TBA+AT)

  2. That DPS tier breakdown is seriously weird. You make some gradual DPS breakdowns by tiers, then BAM a single tier contains 5 times the dps. That kinda reads as: "A and lower is ranked by DPS, A+ and higher by utility".

5k and 7k dps are 2 tiers apart, but 7k and 20k are in same tier?

3. No penalty for single-target dps?

Well, around A to A+, the span does get weird, I will admit.

There is penalty, forgot to include that, thanks.

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u/TheXientist avatar
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Putting legend rares and legends into one tier list is dumb, just because they share "legend" in their names. And sorry but i cant take a tierlist seriously that includes pc ubers that have been removed for half a year while inventing dumb names for units with NP upgrades because it gets clicks on YouTube. Seriously? Demon Cat???

u/Thirn avatar

But Demon Cat is pretty much the actual non-TF name? Lesser Demon Cat/Greater Demon Cat

Well, I'd be separating them by next update.

Ubers are ubers, no more and no less.

I dont even know what youre talking about for the last point.

u/TheXientist avatar

VIP Ubers dont fucking exist stop trying to tell people otherwise.

I think I made it pretty clear what I meant with my last point. It's called Balrog, period. Or does it miraculously change its ingame name to Demon Cat when you upgrade it with NP?

They do, and Nova / Tumbler still love them.

Vice versa. Demon Cat becomes Balrog. I always use first name.

u/TheXientist avatar

Great, 2 people care, thats enough of a reason right? Right???

In that case, how about using the full name Lesser Demon Cat, you didn't abbreviate any other names as far as I can tell. Any good reason to do it with this particular one?

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u/ITstumbler avatar

did u know that 8.7 removes chicken cat

u/ArX-843 avatar

F for Chicken Cat.

Yes, thus unranked and all.

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u/theweaselscollective avatar
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REI and Babel in A-

C'mon guy, seriously?

u/JonesHtog avatar

Just letting you know that this tier list is Cyclops personal tier list and has nothing to do with subreddit official tier list

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u/ArX-843 avatar

Why include PC exclusive Ubers the PC version doesn't exist anymore? Legeluga also rated too highly, I would rate her B to B+.

Because they once existed, they still did all the same. Nova and Tumbler are also somewhat keeping them alive.

Legeluga has very high damage, health and range for an SA, with all-immunity. Only thing bad is that it is a little slow for an SA, but thats about it.

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Ok but Gaia should be put in s

Now she is

I meant ss

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u/lovezhizhi avatar

When will v8.7 BCEN come out? Any ideas?

u/tetrahedralcarbon avatar

Why is Gilgamesh S tier?

u/PikaPeedy avatar

Imo Pai Pai is better than 02, and Galaxy Cosmo should be at least an A.

u/amp_dudeAndrew avatar

My first uber was D'arktanyan and I am glad that he is one of the best ubers

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So, I will to properly explain how I grade my units. I grade them mostly by overall DPS (Damage / TBA + Attack Time)

A+: >30000

A: 6000 - 30000

A-: 5250 - 6000

B+: 4250 - 5250

B: 3000 - 4250

B-: 1500 - 3000

C+: <1500

But certain units can get a grade up if:

  1. They have immunity to more than four debuffs.

  2. They have range => 450 and knockbacks > 3 (might be one grade separately, varies). Another grade up if range is above 500, and one more above 550. Grade also up by one if health is above 100k (Jizo and Ushi).

  3. They have abilities that target 3 or more types of enemies.

  4. They have both resistance and massive / insane damage to one type of enemy.

  5. They are cheap and rechargeable (Less than 3600-4000¢ and less than 60 - 75 seconds). Varies with Cat, actually.

  6. For defensive units, if they are actually fast or have more than 2 knockbacks, they have a grade up as well.

  7. For Suicide Attacker Units (Bahamut, Yukimura, Lil Valk, Legeluga), if range is 300 or more, one grade up.

Note: Strengthen and Wave Attack Damage Amplifiers are included

Also, what brings a unit down, is when they have bad speed (when not supposed to be defensive units) and bad health and range (when not supposed to be Suicide Attacker). And of course, single target.

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Tecoluga has single target and he gets plenty of praise.

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Update: Evangelion Collab just came with a blast.

Eva Unit 02 promoted to A+, new TF is beast.

Eva Unit 08 placed at A.

New Bomburr variant will not be included.

Saber’s promotion and Hermit’s demotion should really make some men happy here. Also thanks to Siluman for reviewing the Princess Punt Units.