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If Clarence had lived? It would have happened MUCH much sooner, and he'd have killed Queen Elizabeth and all her kids. I'd bet on it.
Yes, and I would not have been surprised if decided to try and murder Richard as well.
I mean Clarence was literally executed for spreading lies about Elizabeth Woodville, calling her a witch, etc, so he definitely would've killed her immediately
He was executed for trying to steal the throne from Edward, not for what he said about Elizabeth. He and Warwick literally tried to overthrow Edward and place Clarence on the throne.
He was executed for repeatedly trying to steal the throne. He was given more than one chance and blew them all. So yes, he would have had Elizabeth and all her children assassinated.
He chose to be drowned in malmsey because a) it was expensive and b) it was Elizabeth's favorite. That level of petty he would have executed her, her children, and all her family members. He did accuse Elizabeth Woodville of witchcraft. Between that, his betrayal and backstabbing of Edward IV and George ordering the execution of Ankarette Twynyho (which was overstepping), those are the main reasons he was executed. Edward IV was TIRED of his shit.
Yes. They both hated the Woodvilles.
Seeing they both died during Edward's lifetime trying to pull that very BS, yes, they definitely would have done the same as Richard.
Yes definitely. Both George and Richard Neville had already betrayed Edward iv when he was alive. There is no reason to believe they wouldn’t have betrayed his wife too whom they already disliked.
The reason Edward executed George was because George had already decided he ought to be king.
Had Richard died but George and Warwick survived, with Edward IV dead, Warwick would have smoothly put George on the throne, married George's son Edward to one of his daughters, and undoubtedly would have killed off Edward IV's sons and probably Elizabeth Woodville too, if he could have got her out of sanctuary.
George was already married to one of Warwick's daughters.
I'm ani idiot. Of course he did. I'd just lost track.
Relatable!
and the other daughter was married to the Prince of Wales in a deal with Margaret of Anjou.
Richard III was married to the Earl of Warwick’s daughter Anne, so it was in his interest to keep Richard on the throne. His grandson then becomes king. After the death of Edward of Middleham, it’s in Warwick’s interest the throne goes to Clarence’s son, Edward. Or if George is still alive, to keep George on the throne. Either way, Warwick’s offspring inherit.
In a scenario where George dies, but Warwick and his brother the Earl Northumberland live, Bosworth likely has a different ending.
The Woodvilles die no matter what. Warwick loathed them.
In both cases you should be worried about the daughters as well. Can’t have one of the daughters marry a potential rival.
Wasn’t Edward married to someone else, sub rosa?
If either one was still alive, they wouldn’t have bothered calling anyone a bastard. They just would have killed as many Woodvilles as possible & started another civil war.
Except George was executed for calling Edward IV a bastard thus questioning his right to rule. That was his treason. That’s where that rumor originated.