yes…dave navarro is a great guitarist…especially his Jane’s Addiction work.
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Well from Quentin Tarantino and Martin Scorsese, I prefer Tarantino.
There is no doubt about Scorsese’s ability. I am so often in awe by certain scenes, or certain shots that nobody (apart from QT) can even come close to. At least from what I’ve seen anyway.
Scorsese is the fucking master of filmmaking, and is possibly the greatest living director. It’s a shame that with the critical and commercial successes of his gangster films, it has meant that he cannot really escape from that. He cannot but disappoint a person when he makes something unrelated to the gangster genre. He himself would like to expand his horizons. We know how much he loves Kubrick, and we know just how broad a scope of filmmaking Kubrick indulged in.
Contrary to what many people seem to think, I thought Gangs of New York and The Aviator were absolutely brilliant. It’s so remarkable how even after all these films and all these years, that Scorsese still manages to conjure up something new and fresh. He always has a new and often original way of presenting a scene.
The influences on him are at times, quite overt. The opening battle scene of GANGS was Leone-esque, and so fucking cool. The close-up of Bill the Butchers eye is awesome. We know that QT took that and used it in Kill Bill. What’s also interesting was how Scorsese used “Nobody But Me” in the scene where DiCaprio beats up the two guys in the shop; a reference to QT?
The plane crash scene in The Aviator, it was truly terrifying, makes your heart beat a million times a second. An adrenaline rush. I cannot but admire this man, it seems that he can do no wrong.
Then, when he finally gave into the pressures of the people, he once again visited the crime genre with The Departed. And what a film that was. I mean it was a modern day masterpiece. So great on so many levels. It showed a mature Scorsese - miles away from Goodfellas, yet somehow it maintains that feel. That Scorsese feel is what I love most. You have no fucking idea what’s going to happen. He has a knack for directing scenes so full of darkness, emotion, intensity, grittyness and violence and all presented with a stylistic flare. I am not talking about different scenes here, he manages to convey all of this in a single scene. That is filmmaking. That is genius. And that is how Spielberg is similar to him. They both almost always have at least 2 scenes in a film that you can’t help but feel overwhelmed. You can’t help but to applaud. You can’t help but to acknowledge the greatness of what you have just seen and which could single-handedly cement their place amongst the greats.
The recent Schindler’s List, War of the Worlds, Munich, Raging Bull, Goodfellas, Casino, Gangs of New York, The Aviator, The Departed, all have those intense scenes. You know… the ones that make the hairs on the back of your neck stand up.
It’s obvious that Scorsese knows exactly what he wants. He has it all down to a T. Not only that, the new situations that come to light even on the day of filming turn out to be so bloody good, someone unaware of this would be unable to differentiate between what was planned out, and what was new.
Futhermore, his taste in music is superb. My favourites being his use of Sunshine of Your Love and Layla in Goodfellas, as well as when Gimme Shelter plays at the beginning of The Departed. But there are too many to list. In this way, he resembles QT.
It’s that ability to enduce certain emotions within you, that ability to amaze you, that ability to make you believe you have just seen something special is what seperates Martin Scorsese from the good and into the greats.
I’m sorry, but anybody who claims Scorsese is a so-so director, is full of absolute shit. They know nothing about cinema.
Scorsese is the fucking man. He’s a fucking legend.
Quentin Tarantino, who even though makes crime films like Scorsese, is so incredibly different.
It seems there is a mutual respect here. More on Tarantino’s part, but there is space for both directors to “be” at the same time. There is no competition, there is no “one against the other”, they can suitably co-exist.
Tarantino is a different type of filmmaker. The fact that he makes films for himself, the fact that his own tastes are so ridiculously similar to mine is what makes me love this man, and his films. Scorsese often dips his fingers into what would normally not interest me. With Tarantino, I know I will enjoy his films 100%. I have not yet been disappointed.
I have said so many things already about this man, it’s difficult to say something new. But what still manages to amaze me even now, is that he hasn’t lost that fire, that hunger he had when he was starting out. He still manages to conjure up these magnificent masterpieces. CSI: Grave Danger on it’s own was a mini-masterpiece. Anything QT does, still doesn’t cease to amaze me.
I love how he pays attention to every little detail. Nothing is left untouched. And in this way, he resembles Sergio Leone. Both have a thing about perfection. Not perfection displayed in symmetry which Kubrick often used to do, but perfection in terms of camer movement, camera placement. QT has a knack for churning out scenes - mini-masterpiece scenes. In Jackie Brown, all that build up of Ordell convincing Beaumont to go with him to the “business meeting”, how after he gets in the trunk and Ordell drives away, you and me thinking it’s time for the next scene, only for the camera to pan up as we see with amazement that Ordell has turned into some place else. He gets out of the car and shoots Beaumont dead. Watch that scene, and tell me that isn’t cinema. Watch that scene and tell me that isn’t a masterfully directed scene.
With QT, not only does the scene itself offer up some relevance, but so does the actual camera. We all know QT is an overt filmmaker. We can always feel his presence. In this way, he is further similar to Scorsese. One scene I’d like to highlight here: the one in Taxi Driver how Travis Bickle begs Betsy on the phone. We know he is better than that, but he is so pathetic, that scene is so pathetic, the camera; Scorsese, even pans away to the right giving us a view of a corridor, to get us away from the patheticness. The camera even feels ashamed. Truly auteuristic. Awe-inspiring.
The long shots in QT’s films, the split screens, the trunk shots, the overhead shots, the panning movements, all amount to something special. He makes them his own. He entices you into the film. This is attractive filmmaking. It adds another depth to his films.
Being a director who directs his own scripts offers brings something great. Dialogue as we know, is so incredibly brilliant in his films. It is so poetic and flows marvelously. How he knows exactly how an actor will say his/her words, he manipulates the writing, wording it so that it seems oh so natural. If there is one thing perfect in a QT film, it’s the dialogue. Samuel L. Jackson in particular, virtually sings his dialogue. It is so refreshing to hear. The true rhymes, the terminal rhymes, the like-rhymes, the perfect rhymes the alliteration, the metaphors - the poetic characteristics of Tarantino’s dialogue.
We know he loves to read novels. We know his films resemble novels. I would read an actual Tarantino novel in an instant. Something for the future? I hope so.
His soundtrack preferences, another way he is similar to Scorsese. He has the ability to use the right music at the right time. Not only this, he manages to sync the music with the actual scene. How in Jackie Brown the music conveys a sort of “busy” feel as Jackie, in a rush, is trying to make her way to the mall, just when the music suddenly changes to a sort of “looking around the room” feel, what is happening in the scene? Yes, Jackie Brown is looking around the mall, taking everything in. When the music goes back to how it was, what do we see? Yes, Jackie Brown moving on along across the mall. Brilliant. When Surf Rider plays at the end of Pulp, when it starts when it does, so relevant, so perfect.
There is a very clear divide when it comes to Tarantino. Essentially, you either love him or you don’t. I guess it’s a matter of taste. To those who loathe him? Well to each his own. I am just happy that Tarantino is around and making films. They are so much of a joy to behold. I love every aspect of his films. The nifty details too (if you can spot them) add a lot of his film, making up a truly remarkable whole. Like he says, when you go to watch his film, you KNOW you have just seen a film. It is apparent to you what you have seen, and what you have seen is something you have never seen before, even though you have!
His ability to intertwine genre’s, to re-assemble what has already come before, in an innovative way presented stylistically and with so much cool can only be applauded.
I’m sorry again, but those who outright dismiss him are totally wrong. They know nothing about cinema.
Tarantino is the fucking man. He will be a legend.
Ify’s LARGE posts are most likely compensating for something [size=60]small.[/size]
Haha, this is actually pretty obvious, how come nobody noticed before
Haha, you crazy kids. ;D
That was the most incomprehensible rant about Scorsese and Tarantino Ive ever read.
"The influences on him are at times, quite overt. The opening battle scene of GANGS was Leone-esque, and so fucking cool. The close-up of Bill the Butchers eye is awesome. We know that QT took that and used it in Kill Bill. What’s also interesting was how Scorsese used “Nobody But Me” in the scene where DiCaprio beats up the two guys in the shop; a reference to QT?"
WHAAA? Gangs of New York came out BEFORE Kill Bill was even released. QT didnt use anything from GONY in Kill Bill. Scorsese used Nobody But Me in Gangs of NY? WTF?! It took place in the 1800s. I dont recall ever hearing it in the film.
"The recent Schindler’s List, War of the Worlds, Munich, Raging Bull, Goodfellas, Casino, Gangs of New York, The Aviator, The Departed, all have those intense scenes. You know… the ones that make the hairs on the back of your neck stand up."
GoodFellas, Raging Bull, Casino are recent? WTF? And whats Spielberg’s films doing mixed up with Scorsese’s?
WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?!!!
[quote=“PopeyePete”]
That was the most incomprehensible rant about Scorsese and Tarantino Ive ever read.
"The influences on him are at times, quite overt. The opening battle scene of GANGS was Leone-esque, and so fucking cool. The close-up of Bill the Butchers eye is awesome. We know that QT took that and used it in Kill Bill. What’s also interesting was how Scorsese used “Nobody But Me” in the scene where DiCaprio beats up the two guys in the shop; a reference to QT?"
WHAAA? Gangs of New York came out BEFORE Kill Bill was even released. QT didnt use anything from GONY in Kill Bill. Scorsese used Nobody But Me in Gangs of NY? WTF?! It took place in the 1800s. I dont recall ever hearing it in the film.
"The recent Schindler’s List, War of the Worlds, Munich, Raging Bull, Goodfellas, Casino, Gangs of New York, The Aviator, The Departed, all have those intense scenes. You know… the ones that make the hairs on the back of your neck stand up."
GoodFellas, Raging Bull, Casino are recent? WTF? And whats Spielberg’s films doing mixed up with Scorsese’s?
WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?!!!
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Fucking hell, learn to read.
“The influences on him are at times, quite overt. The opening battle scene of GANGS was Leone-esque, and so fucking cool. The close-up of Bill the Butchers eye is awesome. We know that QT took that and used it in Kill Bill. What’s also interesting was how Scorsese used “Nobody But Me” in the scene where DiCaprio beats up the two guys in the shop; a reference to QT?”
- The opening battle scene in GANGS was Leone-esque (and cool)
- The close-up shot(s) of Bill’s eye is very similar to that close-up shot of Sophie Fatale (while The Bride looks in on her in her car) in Kill Bill: Volume 1.
- When did I say GANGS came out after Kill Bill? I said “We know QT took that and used it in KIll Bill” this implies that Kill Bill came out after GANGS. Are you on fucking drugs or something?
- Sorry for not mentioning that the DiCaprio beating up the two guys scene was from The Departed.
“The recent Schindler’s List, War of the Worlds, Munich, Raging Bull, Goodfellas, Casino, Gangs of New York, The Aviator, The Departed, all have those intense scenes. You know… the ones that make the hairs on the back of your neck stand up.”
- At the part, I was comparing Scorsese to Spielberg. Before that I wrote “And that is how Spielberg is similar to him. They both almost always have at least 2 scenes in a film that you can’t help but feel overwhelmed. You can’t help but to applaud. You can’t help but to acknowledge the greatness of what you have just seen and which could single-handedly cement their place amongst the greats.” That is why Spielberg’s films were mentioned with Scorsese’s.
- I forgot to take the word “recent” out. At first I was only going to mention the recent films, but I added more and forgot to re-word the sentence.
Anything else you’re having problems with?
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how can you say that tarantino took a scene from another film director? to claim that you must have some sort of source or proof. maybe both tarantino and scorsese got that shot that you were talking about from one other film maker.
and watch some films by andreij tarkovski, you might know him already. his films have just got one amazing camera shot after another. thaugh his stories might seem boring to you, try watching one or two of his films.
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how can you say that tarantino took a scene from another film director? to claim that you must have some sort of source or proof.
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Ermmm… That is what most people on this board do. That is what his fans do when they watch his films, they try and figure out which scene was taken from where. Obviously not always, but this plays a huge part. Ok, you watch both those scenes and tell me they are not similar.
Ify, you’re telling me to learn to read? More like You should learn to write a comprehensible fucking sentence. Cmon man.
I dont think The opening fight in GONY was Leone-esque really. If it was intending to be, it was a terribly done by Scorsese.
“The close-up of Bill the Butchers eye is awesome. We know that QT took that and used it in Kill Bill.”
Again, I dont think QT used anything from GONY.
The big fight at the beginning of Gangs sucked btw. I didnt like it. It was some hyper-real sped up music video BS. Terrible. I think Gangs is one of Scorsese’s worst films. Its a big mess.
I know you’re comparing and contrasting, its just muddled up and mixed up a bit.
Anyways, as long as you like their movies, thats all that matters. Really, writing these huge paragraphs as if none of us here know why we like QT and Scorsese’s work is kind of a waste of time to me.
[quote=“PopeyePete”]
Ify, you’re telling me to learn to read? More like You should learn to write comprehensible fucking sentence. Cmon man.
I dont think The opening fight in GONY was Leone-esque really. If it was trying to be, it was a terribly done by Scorsese.
“The close-up of Bill the Butchers eye is awesome. We know that QT took that and used it in Kill Bill.”
Again, I dont know how QT used anything from GONY when it was released around the same time as Volume 1.
The big fight at the beginning of Gangs sucked btw. I didnt like it. It was some hyper-real music video BS. Terrible. I think Gangs is one of Scorsese’s worst films. Its a big mess.
I know you’re comparing and contrasting, its just muddled up and mixed up a bit.
Anyways, as long as you like their movies, thats all that matters. Really, writing these huge paragraphs as if none of us here know why we like QT and Scorsese’s work is kind of a waste of time to me.
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Dude, read the fucking topic name.
Anyways, I don’t feel more enlightened on the work of either director after reading your thoughts but nice try.
[quote=“PopeyePete”]
Anyways, I don’t feel more enlightened on the work of either director after reading your thoughts but nice try.
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I didn’t write it for you, sweetheart.
Martin Scorsese Vs. Quentin Tarantino
Who Will Win?
Like I said before QT has only made a few movies so I cant really say he’s better than Martin Scorsese lets talk about it in another five years.
Ify, people don’t read long posts. They just pull a “homer simpson” in thier heads and say “blah, blah, blah”. I have said this about Popeye Pete in the past, so it is kind of an old bit…but:
your rants require no thought whatsoever. They are merely sounds as instinctive as the quacking of ducks or the moo of a cow. So, next time…keep it short and sweet…and to the point.
This topic is simply retarded. It really is. Why do motherfuckers have to pit film directors against each other like its a fucking stupid wrestling match?
Please don’t do this again.
Jesus Christ, what the fuck is up with that PopeyePete fag? He moans when we talk about music, and tell us to talk about the topic at hand. So we do that and he moans again, asking why I wrote that shit. He’s having some sort of crisis or something, the fucking cunt. 32 years old and spends most of his time on a forum talking bollocks. What a fucking lame arse. I hope to God I’m nothing like him when I’m 32.
[quote=“PopeyePete”]
This topic is simply retarded. It really is. Why do motherfuckers have to pit film directors against each other like its a fucking stupid wrestling match?
Please don’t do this again.
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There he goes again, moaning. Fucking hell.