good afternoon, everyone. i'm ayman mohyeldin in new york. right now, all eyes are on afghanistan. the taliban is working to install its new government as evacuations are still underway at kabul's international airport. can you see hundreds of afghan civilians outside the airport desperate to flee, fearful of this nation now under taliban rule. just this afternoon, national security adviser jake sullivan said that it would have taken a significant troop presence to stop that takeover from happening, defending the administration's decision to withdraw. >> the images from the past couple of days at the airport have been heartbreaking.

but president biden had to think about the human cost of the alternative path as well which was to stay in the middle of the civil conflict in afghanistan. >> meanwhile, in a press conference, taliban officials said u.s. forces will not be harmed on afghan soil adding that women will be allowed to work and even study. now those statements understandably are met with a lot of skepticism from americans and afghans alike. in a few minutes we'll hear from a senator about what needs to be done in the weeks and months ahead. all of this as the coronavirus here shows no signs of slowing down. officials are expected to recommend a covid-19 booster shot for most people eight months of at second dose. we're also following the situation in haiti where there are thousands of injured patients following that massive earthquake over the weekend. and as if that wasn't enough, a tropical depression swept the

nation overnight. will we're going bring you the latest on the u.s. response we begin with the latest out of afghanistan. to talk about this and more, let's bring into our conversation our pentagon correspondent. and overseas for us, nbc news bureau chief there. i'll begin with you, "the washington post" reporting that human remains were found in the wheel of a usair craft that left afghanistan, landed in iraq. we've seen images of the plane leaving the country, absolutely packed with people. this is what the u.s. military says is 640 afghan citizens fleeing the military. talked about that today. bring us up to speed on the evacuation efforts. is the u.s. on track to get all americans and afghans that helped the u.s. out of the

country by the end of this month? >> according to john kirby, they will tun to evacuate americans and afghan civilians until august 31st. that's when the u.s. military presence is supposed to officially end. as far as where the evacuations go, they started several days ago. they were stalled as of monday. they had a complete stoppage of all aircraft coming in and out of the airport on the civilian and military side on monday. they are flowing once again and now more than 1400 people have been evacuated. 200 are americans. the rest are afghan civilians and third country nationals taun out of the country. there was a goal to have the number of u.s. military there in kabul at about 3,000 by sunday neutral. now they're working on getting

to roughly that number right now. with the goal of getting up to about 4,000 by overnight tonight. they will be able to get one evacuation flight out every single hour upwards of 9,000 people taken out every single day. they're way behind that at this point. the evacuation flights are moving once again. p that's a good sign. but the big question now is where does this effort go? once all the americans are out, how much longer will they tun to evacuate afghans? will it continue until august 31st? that's a question posed to pentagon press secretary john kirby a couple hours ago in the briefing room. here's what he had to say. >> probably 100,000 people trying to get out of afghanistan. given that, are you confident with your planning that by the 31st you can get all the people

out? or is that uncertain? >> we're confident is that we're going to maximize capacity to degree that we can. >> and the question right now is, you know, will they continue until august 31st with these? we know now that the u.s. military has been talking to the taliban in kabul. we don't have a lot of unsight. they're the more technical military conversations about the u.s. telling -- asking the taliban, telling the taliban to continue the evacuations without any security threats from the taliban there at the airport. we don't know if there is anything beyond that. >> eugene, "the new york times" is reporting that intelligence reports were in fact pessimistic about afghanistan even as the

biden administration maintained that taliban would not take over. i want to play a quick sound bite from jake sullivan earlier. watch this. >> we as a national security team take responsibility for every decision, good decision, every decision that doesn't produce perfect outcomes. >> what do we know about that disconnect in the messaging there? what factored into the administration's decision making here? a couple days ago we heard from secretary of state tony blinken saying this is not a friday to monday situation. we're not going to see a collapse like that. president biden repeatedly saying that this is not going to be a saigon moment. you won't see an evacuation from the roof top of the american embassy there. this is what has played out. and so now there is a disconnect between what they were saying to the public and what was happening behind the scenes. >> absolutely. those are the questions that we and all of the other reporters are continuously asking this

administration. because it's confusing at the very least that that is what is happening. right? on sunday while this was happening, while kabul is being taken over, you have the be secretary of state kind of downplaying it. you had president biden downplaying it and now we're seeing finger pointing. behind the scenes. everyone trying to figure out who is the person that is kind of tossed under the bus and bad to say. but that is the way that things are happening right now. this is how this administration has worked since january. to stay focused on the goal. the goal is to get out, right? as there are reports of in fighting, they're going to stay focused on what they want to do. and i will will say though, if the administration is able to

get everyone, get the americans out, able to make sure that americans who aren't at the airport yet are able to get there without being hurt, if they're able to get the interpreters, the people who helped us over the last 20 years out, this is in a few months a different conversation we're going to end up having. because the american people are behind the president for the most part on this, on the getting out. the execution of that is one thing i think that we're unsure how that is playing with the american people right now. we do know they want to get out of afghanistan for a very long time. that is the political calculation that president biden and aides maud here thinking that you saw by the speech yesterday, not talking top of about the execution, just talking about we couldn't stay there. that is something we have to watch. >> we're watching the state department briefing that is now underway. we'll keep an eye on that and bring you any news lines.

as i mentioned, we'll keep our eye on. that let's talk about how life is resuming in kabul. a lot of skepticism, a lot of concern about what this new life will mean under taliban rule. the taliban doing their part. going on the pr offensive if you will to try to communicate with the world how they intend to govern. they were briefly off the air after the situation was unfolding. now they're back online. this came as the taliban as i said promised amnesty, freedom in the press conference today. tell us a little bit about that. do afghans on the ground believe the taliban that things will be different this time? the basic answer is, no. they're deeply skeptical about the promises that they've been

making in these press conferences. they think this is just an early days charm offensive until they're in full control of the country and so they don't want to shake things up too badly. the taliban have a terrible track record. they have never shown any signs of wanting to reform or become more moderate when they are around the country between 1996 and 2001, they were the most brutal ultra could be servetive modern regimes. stonings, amputations, public executions were commonplace. and women had to rights. they had to cover their face. they were not allowed to work and they were largely confined to their homes. now the taliban is saying that they can now work. they can be part of the government. and the shariah law does not favor women. and that is a big concern for men and women alike in afghanistan. we spoke to a student in

afghanistan who was expressing serious concerns about what is to come. we're not giving her name or showing her face. take a listen to what she had to say. >> i don't trust them. and plus what they say is very much different from what they do. yesterday, the day before that, i couldn't stop crying. today i feel a little bit better, maybe because it's a bit more calm in the city. people are not rushing and stuff. but i am worried, especially after i saw the footage of how they take girls out of their houses. is this what the u.s. wanted to achieve in afghanistan? >> you know, after the did civil war when the taliban took over in '96, they made similar promises peace. we know it was anything but. it was a horrifying existence for most afghan people and many of them are scared that the very dark takes are coming back.

>> courtney, let me ask you about the relationship between the u.s. and the military there in terms of what is happening. i spoke with a taliban spokesperson yesterday. let me play for you something about i asked him specifically. watch. >> do we have permission that there will be no attacks on the americans. not now. it was for the last 14 months. >> that's him saying there is an agreement. there will be no attacks on the americans like there hasn't been over the past 14 months certainly during this evacuation. the u.s. military is maintaining that they won't see combat with the taliban. do we know about further negotiations with the taliban right now on all of the various fronts that the u.s. is engaged with? i know that, yes, we are focused on kabul. but there are still thousands of other afghan that's the americans want to get out and they're not able to get to the

airport. it's hard to imagine that they're going to get them out without coordinating with the taliban a safe passage for them. >> we know very little. we're learning more and more about talks that the u.s. military is having with the taliban. just now in the last two or three minutes, as we've been on the air here, we got a statement from centcom from general mckenzie, the commanding general of u.s. central command saying detailing a little bit more about his talks with the taliban on saturday. he said that he actually warned the taliban against attacking americans during the evacuation effort. so we don't -- again, it still doesn't answer the question of did they agree to some sort of a time line? what is it? is there an agreement for safe passage? that is the big question what you were just touching on. there are -- we're seeing the images of so many afghans at the airport trying to get out. but that's only a fraction of the number of afghan who's are in kabul who are around the country who may be eligible to

leave with the united states under the siv or the p-2 process. they can't actually get to the airport. we're seeing reports of taliban checkpoints around the airport that they're not letting people through. the big question is, if the u.s. military particularly there on the ground in kabul is having conversations with taliban commanders, are they negotiating some sort of safe passage to get the afghans to the airport? the pentagon press secretary was asked about that earlier. he wouldn't discuss any specifics. jake sullivan was asked about that several times in the white house briefing room. he also wouldn't talk about it in any real specifics. so we are getting -- we're hearing the reports of people trying to get through. we're getting text messages and phone calls. i'm sure you are as well from people on the ground saying they want to get to the airport. they want to get out. they're willing to wait until there is a flight available for them. but they simply can't get there. so, you know, again, the big question right now is i mean

aside, it's remarkable a week ago we would have been surprised there are direct conversations going on with u.s. military commanders and taliban commanders that seem to be sort of these military technical talks. really the fact that they're discussing any kind of coordination on the ground at all a week ago would have been pretty big news. now we're trying to figure out what it is they were talking about and if they -- what exactly they were negotiating. >> yeah, it's one of those things you can file under just absolutely remarkable sign that the times are changing thanks to the three of you starting us off this hour. we have a lot more to talk about afghanistan. we're trying to establish contacts with an afghan interpreter about his plight in trying to get out of that country. we'll have that for you in just a minute. meanwhile, president biden facing criticism from both sides of the aisle on the situation in afrg. coming up, we're going to play for you some new reaction from

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the reputation of the united states of america, a big foreign policy mistake, a colossal mistake. but that is where we are. i think president obama hoped to get out and president trump. i disagreed with both of them and argued against total withdraw when both of them were considering it. >> that is mitch mcconnell on afghanistan earlier today. joining me now for a perspective on afghanistan from capitol hill, democratic maryland senator ben cardin, a member of

the foreign relations committee. senator, thank you so much for your time. obviously a fast moving situation. i know that you have called what is unfolding in afghanistan a humanitarian crisis. mitch mcconnell as just saw there called the a colossal mistake. he is right here? is this one of the biden administration's first major mistakes? >> good to be with you. the major mistake was made in 2002 when president bush had an opportunity after we defeated the taliban to install a stable government in afghanistan moving forward. but instead, he left our troops in airaq. iraq. that is the first major mistake made. and then president trump, the secret meetings with the taliban, establishing a may day for withdraw of u.s. troops set the path for what we saw these past few weeks. so the mistake was made during previous administrations. president biden had very little choice but to complete the

withdraw. now our focus is on saving american lives and those who helped us with our mission in afrg. >> let me show you this political cartoon. it is a striking political cartoon by a jordanian cartoonist who works for a london-based news service. does this worry you, this image? it shows the statue of liberty with afghans falling out of the plane saying that this photo showing afghans falling out is a new moral failure for the united states. does this worry you this kind of sentiment that america's reputation may be tarnished as a result of this withdraw and this is how people around the world will view it? >> i strongly support us opening up our boarders for the afghans that helped us. i strongly suggested that the biden administration let's get through all this paperwork and get these people out of harm's way. so that we can make sure that

they are safe and, yes, i think we should be inviting those who helped us with our mission in afghanistan who are not safe. >> all right. it looks like -- >> the intelligence information was clearly wrong about how fast this would unfold. and we now need to work with extreme urgency to get people out of afghanistan. >> are you concerned it's going to tarnish our image and standing in the world? will it have consequences with the way this evacuation has played out? >> certainly not been a good day for america. the images we see coming out of afghanistan are certainly show tremendous humanitarian crisis. this is going to hurt us. there is no question about it. but i stand by what i said. president bud enhad little choice in regards to the foreign policy decision. getting people out of afghanistan and a much more orderly way that, is something we need to look at. we didn't have plans in place

predicting the fall of the security forces. >> reuters reported last night, sir, that five u.s. officials anonymously said the u.s. military could have played a bigger role in evacuating afghans a week ago. it said we could have done more to help. the administration waited too long said one military official. you just basically said the same thing. what do you make of the disconnect between the public messaging from the administration saying they didn't want to signal a collapse to the afghan government but at the same time, getting all the untell jens saying this government is not going to survive and yet not doing anything to protect those we need to help. >> i'm concerned about that. we need to have con tun generalcy plans in place for the vastly developing down fall of the afghan government. we thought that it would take much longer period of time. the we had a much more time for an early departure. that is not the case.

we should recognize that as things were falling with no resistance. and there needed to be plans in place. to get people out of afghanistan as quickly as possible. >> and finally, sir, i know you just signed a -- signed on to a letter with 45 other senators asking secretary of state blinken for a special humanitarian category for afghan women and leaders to relocate to the u.s. tell the viewers a little bit about that and the urgency of this moment. you are getting bipartisan support from republicans also now who will be put under, you know, same time spotlight? will they accept or will they allow afghan refugees into their states and communities? >> i certainly hope the answer is yes to. that we know how the taliban will treat women and girls. we went to afghanistan to protect the rights of all afghans but particularly women and girls. now we know they're at risk. we need have special protection here in america to say that we

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still trying to persuade residents to get their first shots. >> absolutely. 949 active cases in west virginia. more people will die. we only have ten counties in the green. it's time to be on your toes, west virginia. it's time, absolutely to be vaccinated. >> joining us now, fellow at the brookings institution and msnbc medical contributor. doctor, great to have you back on the program. let's begin with that news on the recommendation of a booster shot. is this welcomed news? >> it is welcomed and not welcome. the reason i say not welcome is because there is clearly data that is supporting that there might be increased hospitalizations even among vaccinated people. so i'm very curious to see the data that supports the recommendation. but it is welcome because we all

been asking when do we need boosters not if. >> it does raise the question, doctor, i think you and i have spoke been this in the past. something that the former senior white house adviser for response is raising. we should be focusing on people across the world getting vaccinated before we start going out and more booster shots here at home. his concern, i think you also echoed this in the past, with so many other countries still undervaccinated, that the chances of new variants increases. how worried are you about that possibility? >> of course i'm worried about it. i'm putting a lot of faith in how much we learned about standing up more manufacturing of the vaccines. we've already learned so much from the rollout. remember, we needed the deep freezers. we learned now that we don't need that level of deep freezing for the pfizer vaccine, for example. so i really have a belief that we can both supply enough for

our population but also do our part on global vaccine equity. again, i'm really curious to see the data. this isn't going to be everybody needs boosters. i think it will be based on the time since your vaccination. so it's clearly further evidence that we might start to need some sort of seasonal or more regular covid-19 vaccine until we can get a handle on this globally to your point. >> covid-19 hospitalizations are back to levels not seen since february of this year when the u.s. is coming down from the peak back in january. the seven day average stands at more than 10,000. what do you make of this sharp hospitalization and more than 50% of americans still being fully vaccinated. it's got to be a worrying sun that with so many people vaccinated we're still seeing these types of peaks. >> yeah. and what i would do though, ayman to put the numbers in per

rer inspective is look at the numbers that were vaccinated and not. 95% and most medical centers are tracking this, 95% of the hospitalizations are people who were never vaccinated. and so do you have people who are vaccinate who had are being hospitalized? yes. it is far less than people who are vaccinated -- unvaccinated, sorey. another reason that i think the administration is taking what i would call preventive action to avoid seeing that uptick in vaccinated individuals. that is not a trend we want to see. we're watching kids closely too. we don't have a vaccine for them. but we're seeing more hospitalizations in children. so i think of this is as building the biggest wall of immunity possible to protect even those who are not eligible for a vaccine at this point. >> all right. doctor, thank you as always. i want to go back now to the top story of the hour. the situation that is unfolding in afghanistan. we have been trying to establish

contact with interpreter. he is a former afghan interpreter for the united states. he only recently returned to afghanistan to visit a sick family member. . he is now stuck in afghanistan after the fall of the government. thank you so much for your time. i understand that you are now in hiding and are trying to get on a flight out of kabul. what are the conditions like on the ground right now? how concerned are you about the family that you're also going to have to leave behind? >> thank you for having me. and the situation here is really bad. it's like just hiding. and outside just the local can go. just the shop keepers. and just a small amount. but mostly can you go to the airport. we're siding and very concerned about our family.

>> do you believe or have you seen the taliban actively looking for people who work alongside the americans? do you have any evidence they're doing that? they say they're not going to punish anyone who works alongside the americans. do you believe that? >> no. i believe that they've been look forg people whoa used to work for the government and for the government. it's just on the media they have nothing to do with those people. in reality, they're looking for those people have told me that they're taking them out of their house ands shooting them on the street. >> how do you plan on getting out? you said that you're trying to get to the airport. have you received any help from any american government officials to try and get you to the airport and on a flight?

so far not. we're looking forward to see how -- and get out of here with the family. but so far we contacted the embassy and we fill out the form to be evacuated. but so far we haven't heard anything. >> what is your reaction to what the u.s. government has said in terms of trying to get everybody out of afghanistan by the end of the month? do you feel abandoned by the u.s.? do you feel confident that they will be able to help you get out? we're very oept mystic about getting the help and getting out of here. >> i want to ask you finally about americans who may be

watching this. what do you say to americans who see this situation in afghanistan and say, yes, it is tragic. but it is not our tragedy? >> we lost so many lives. we were all working together. and right now everything is like severing gone on to sacrifices. and it is really sad. and it was our war. we worked for the government there, you no he? >> we hope you and your family get out of that country safely. i appreciate it. coming up, we have a lot more including the people of haiti still reeling after being hit by both an earthquake and a tropical storm within days of each other. we're going to be live on the

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emergency crews are searching for survivors in haiti after tropical storm grace drenched the small nation overnight. it is threatening search and rescue efforts. the death toll from the earthquake is now over 1400 and expected to climb as crews reach villages blocked off by rubble and flooded roads. and now haiti's civil protection agency is asking residents that can offer shelter to the thousands of people displaced by the quake to take them in. we're in port-au-prince. what's the specific role the coast guard is playing in the relief efforts?

>> just hund me you see several coast guard choppers, one of them just rolled out a few moments ago. but we were with the u.s. coast guard this morning as they went to some of the hardest hit regions in the southwestern part of the country which as you mentioned, ayman, were not just impacted by the earthquake several days ago. but just overnight. heavy rains from if tropical storm grace and went back to one of the areas yesterday and the shopt overwhelmed. there have been people waiting for days to be evacuated here to port-au-prince. and just this morning we were with seven patients inside a chopper including a baby, a young child who had a broken leg. the medical team is seeing many fractured broken bones and people were inside buildings and they collapsed. some children do not have

parents anymore. parents are still missing. we spoke to one of the folks from the coast guard who is part of this massive rescue effort. >> i just always feel like i want to do more and more. it's tough to, you know, we can only pack so many people in here. it's great that we have other assets on scene. everybody is working day and night to get people out here. we always want to be doing more. >> again, as you mentioned, it's tough to get to some of the rural areas. the more rural areas because of mudslides, because of intensifying gang violence here as well. many communities are cut off. more than 6,000 people injured. some 37,000 buildings have been damaged or destroyed. and that search and rescue effort is still underway despite the heavy rains overnight. >> all right.

thank you for us in port-au-prince. and for more on all this, i want to bring in gary pierre pierre walk us through the current state of the health care senters that we're hearing about and treating thousands of injured patients in the middle of a pandemic. how much pressure are they under? >> well, thanks for having me. they are under a the lot of pressure. this is a really tricky situation. you have mudslides. it's a disaster zone. and we must call it that. and so now the question is how rapidly can they get to people who are buried under the rubble? people who are buried under the mudslides right now? this has gone from bad to worse. we were hoping for the best. unfortunately, tropical storm grace just hit at the worst

moment. and the good news is that, you know, there are reinforce. s right now. the u.s. coast guard was there as reported. so things are moving. we need to get some more medics on the scene. i think doctors and more doctors. but the challenge is that where do you put all the people? you have to set up logistics for the people, for others who are part of the rescue team to work a base from. because it's a very chaotic situation. hopefully we can save as many lives quickly. >> you touched on this now with the need for more doctors and the logistics to support them. i want to ask you about the broader political context of what has happened. you have the haitian president that was assassinated last month and that sparked a political crisis across the country. is there any impact from what happened with that political crisis, that assassination and the government's response to these crisis that you just outlined? >> absolutely.

the country has no president. there are certain deals that the president is the one who is tasked of doing them. also you have people out of positions, head of civil pro section is struggling right now to really help the international community get to people who need help. yes, the political vacuum has impacted rather negatively. and so it is unfortunate again. we know that earthquake happens in haiti. it did 11 years ago. we know that hurricanes happen. they happen every year. the question is now we need to start talking about short term and midterm. and also lng term solutions. we have to mitigate the damages of the so-called national

disasters. too much. too many people have died who could have been saved. >> absolutely. our heart goes out to the people of haiti who have suffered so much and continue to suffer. gary pierre pierre, always a pleasure. thank you for your insights. >> thank you for having me. >> president biden says the u.s. trained afghan military collapsed along the taliban to take over. what message does that send to the hundreds of thousands of americans who served in afghanistan? that's next. we're going to talk to a u.s. marine corps combat veteran that completed multiple tours of duty in in a country. you're watching "ayman mohyeldin reports." a country. you' wreatching "ayman mohyeldin reports. we welcome change? we can make emergency medicine possible at 40,000 feet. instead of burning our past for power, we can harness the energy of the tiny electron. we can create new ways to connect. rethinking how we communicate to be more inclusive than ever. with app, cloud and anywhere workspace solutions,

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the scenes coming out of afghanistan in the last few days have been incredibly difficult to watch particularly for those who once called afghanistan home. the san francisco bay area is home to the largest community of afghan americans in the west, where nearly 25,000 afghans live in a community often referred to as little kabul in the city of fremont. joining me from fremont is correspondent jacob ward. jacob, good to have you with us. what's been the reaction there to what we've all been watching unravel over the past few days and i'm sure a lot of families are still extended families are still in afghanistan and extremely worried about that. >> aymon, that's right.

we've been standing with the smell of delicious bread coming from the market behind me where they bake three-foot lengths of nan all morning and people throughout afghan society have come to this place. we spoke to many, people who survived 50 years of conflict, in some cases being from four different generations who survived soviet times, the warlords, as they called them, the taliban and you know watching this happen again, they all say revived nightmares they thought they could put behind them. we spoke to the very first elected official who is an afghan woman in the united states to ask her what is it that all of this feels like, what's coming next and emotionally what's it like for her. have a listen. >> i think the biggest concern is that it's going to be a dark hole again. will the taliban cut afghanistan off from the rest of the world? i have friends that have been crying nonstop and even though

they've never been to afghanistan, just because it is triggering. you've seen this country fail for 40 years. >> reporter: aymon, one final detail here, people here, they depend on being able to send money, remittance to afghanistan to support their family members there. at this point, western union is no longer sending money to afghanistan, moneygram does not seem to be sending it. there is a broad concern that these people are sitting here helpless, watching families and friends speaking to them on the phone and unable to send them money at this hour, has caused extraordinary anxiety. >> jacob ward in fremont putting the spotlight on that community. thank you very much. it is of course a difficult incredibly difficult week as well for those who served in afghanistan and their family members. joining me now is kyle ann hunter, veteran and adjunct senior fellow at the center for

new american security. as someone who served multiple combat missions in afghanistan, your reaction to what is happening right now? >> first of all, thank you so much for having me and elevating and lifting up the voices of afghan and those who have served. like many veterans, i've been in touch with a lot of my friends i served there, at different times and different services as well as in many capacities that were there, i think there's a lot of intellectual understanding of what's going on, but big visceral feelings and emotions, questioning of why we did what we did. is the world in a better place? and i think right now, what a lot of us are taking some lass in, what individual lives might we have touched and made better by our time there. i think another big focus of this mission is on the fact that the decisions made over the past couple days are big high-level security decisions made by

senior elected leaders and do not reflect the amazing work that our country's service wim and men and our allies have been doing for the past 20 years there. >> speaking of the visceral reaction and internal decision, if you will, of what the american servicemembers did, do you get a sense some feel all of this is vain, they left and as a result the taliban have taken over and everything you worked to try and build aside from the afghan military, let's put that aside for a moment but the things you tried to do in terms of infrastructure, schools, hospitals, health clinics, education,s athat all been wasted? >> that's a real feeling and a real fear right now especially for those very involved in building of schools and infrastructure to educate women and girls. the taliban has said they're going to continue to respect women's rights but they do not have a history of doing that.

i think there's a large concern, i was speaking with a good friend who was a gender adviser recently over there, all of the work that was done to build an infrastructure dignity for human rights to ensure that education is promoted, that there is access to meaningful health care, access to the legal profession that's there, that is going to be completely dismantled in the coming days. aside from the combat casualty side of it, this is where there is so much pain in the veteran community right now. >> i can only imagine what it's like. kyleanne hunter thank you for the conversation. i greatly appreciate your insight. i'll see you back here tomorrow at 3:00 p.m. eastern. nicole wallace starts after this quick break. if you think all pads are exactly the same,... think again. this is always ultra thins reinvented

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hi there everyone. it's 4:00 in the east as we continue to monitor the administration's efforts to manage the crisis unfolding in kabul, afghanistan, including the evacuation of u.s. officials and civilians as well as afghan allies. the u.s. woke up this morning to another searing image of all of it, a c 17 u.s. military cargo plane packed with an estimated 640 afghans who managed to scramble on board, desperate to escape taliban rule in their country. the taliban at this hour is described as having full control of life in of afan stand, they se