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Sam Worthington was so hot in 2009-2010, starring in Avatar, Terminator Salvation, Clash of The Titans, and Wrath of The Titans.
Sam Worthington, Henry Cavill and Jai Courtney are three dudes that Hollywood keeps trying to happen but it ain't gonna happen.
Sam Worthington notoriously struggled with the fame of Avatar so he almost certainly could’ve been in bigger films, but probably chose to do smaller stuff and stuff he wanted to do rather than chasing big roles.
At least Sam Worthington is still starring in $2 billion movies and acclaimed TV series.
The same cannot be said for Henry Cavill, Jai Courtney, and the most infamous of all: TAYLOR KITSCH.
I really thought Tim Riggins was gonna be the next Keanu.
I might be the only one, but I love John Carter and think that Taylor did a great job in it.
Nobody knows who Worthington even is today.
I mean, if all Sam Worthington ever does is Avatar... I think it's enough. He might be more well known as Jake Soolly or as Blue Cat Man than as Worthington, but does that really matter?
Yeah. This feels a bit like saying that Hollywood was trying to make Mark Hamill happen but couldn't. Yeah, he's not been in many movies. But the movies he's been in, they kind of are enough.
The best Terminator sequel after 2. Even if that is not saying much
If they have to reboot the franchise again, they should try another one in this vein. Great concept, poor execution.
Besides, you can only remake 2 so many times.
Gotta agree. I hated that most of it took place during the daytime, but the FX could at least be seen and we’re done very well.
Also Bale was an awesome Connor. And nothing beats CGI Arnold as the T-800 in a minute long cameo.
Wish it did better. I saw it three times. One of the few Blu-ray’s I ever purchased too.
This one is in my opinion the only Terminator Sequel after 2. The others are just various shades of reboot. This one actually attempts to move the timeline forward
Didn’t 3 move the timeline forward by ending in Judgment Day?
Sure, but what I mean is that 3 was still about Skynet sending back a robot to kill someone in the past while the resistance sends someone to protect that person. Same as in 1, same as in 2
It had got a bit derivative, and the new Terminator in 3 wasn’t all that meaningfully different to 2’s.
But it did move the story forward by finally having Judgment Day take place, unlike 1 and 2’s ideas that maybe it could be averted.
Execution was bad, but they at least realized that you had to break from the Terminator formula to come across as anything but a pale imitation of 2.
i loved it. One of my most rewatchable terminators.
Shame this didn't do so well. Critically or commercially. The Human/Machine War is legitimately the only potential Terminator movie idea that made sense to make after T2 ended how it did. Could have been great. Oh well.
Strange that 3 of the best sci fi franchises are totally unable to produce a decent film.
That is: terminator, Jurassic Park, Alien.
Great IPs that just seem to constantly suffer from piss poor writing.
Pretty much everything that made them great was shown off perfectly in the first and often a beefed up sequel.
I’d also argue that it’s just extremely hard to do sequels to them. Terminator 2 was a perfect ending already, Jurassic Park’s novelty really doesn’t go far beyond a park full of dinosaurs, and Alien is a super simple premise that’s hard to make fresh so the result usually isn’t good when they do.
Predator was also very bad until prey. Depending what you think about the 2010 film
Ignoring the godawful 2018 reboot, Predator is actually a pretty solid franchise. The original is a masterpiece, the sequel is actually a lot of fun and changes the setting to feel fresh, the AVP movies aren't very good but they're pretty unique unto themselves, the 2010 movie changes up locale again to keep things interesting, and Prey is one of the best prequels ever. Pretty good track record if you ask me.
For me personally, predator is a masterpiece. Predator 2 is okay. But I haven’t seen it in years.
AVP1 is also okay, but leaves a lot to be desired. Avp2 is an abomination.
Predators and prey are awesome though.
It’s a decent track record with some heavy mises
3 great, 2 okay, and 2 bad (based on your own review) is pretty solid. Not many sci-fi nor horror can match it.
Yeah absolutely. I enjoyed Prey though.
Jurassic Park and Alien almost have the same problem of trying too hard to stick to the formula of their first movies.
For Alien, Prometheus worked because it felt mysterious and got into some of the lore of the Xenomorphs. Then the followup sequel back to psycho robot and glazed over so much lore. Easily a movie worth of story that they just skipped over.
The last Jurassic World pissed me off because they were doing something unique in the beginning showing the dinosaurs in more than a park settinf in a city and in the plains. Then what do they do, go back to a park.
Thing is, if you go off-concept for JP then it’s a totally different thing and may as well be its own franchise.
The whole problem comes from trying to infinitely extend a self-contained neat concept.
I really think "dinosaurs loose in the real world and humanity pushed to the brink of extinction by our own hubris" would have been an amazing movie and really fit well with the original theme. Instead we got human cloning and locusts.
I wanted velociraptors take New York and T-Rex doing a godzilla impression in downtown tokyo. Why was that so hard for them to work out?
Which of the original themes would that idea fit?
Not saying it wouldn’t be a cool film, but the original was mostly about technophobia, capitalism and its disconnect with responsibility/discipline, leaving nature alone and the past in the past, a man’s hubristic quest for greatness and achievement and his dream.
Dino survival would just be humans vs danger, like a disaster movie, no? More like A Quiet Place or a zombie film or whatnot.
Changing the title kinda indicated that. Jurassic Park to World.
Though in the end it kinda was just more JP, just done poorly. JW could’ve been the title of the previous commenter’s idea.
C'mon man, Prometheus was at minimum decent!
So what you’re saying is we need James Cameron to make an all-time great Jurassic Park sequel.
I think Christian Bale's on set rant had more of a cultural impact than this film did.
Owe yagh, shore! Reel noice cultural impact! Ewe, gewd fer yew!
I do recommend checking out the director's cut. It's slightly better.Also,this movie has amazing bonus features on the Blu-ray.
The behind the scene stuff was so much better than the movie itself. Does anybody still have the audio of Bale lashing out at the DP of this movie? lol
https://youtu.be/y6-NYAPAZ0U?si=B2FEfPEYRUkTlDhF
I love how his accent is all over the place the whole rant
Annapurna buying the rights to Terminator was so random. Basically all low to mid budget Oscar bait then Terminator Genisys. Granted money wasn’t a huge factor when your dad is worth over $100 billion but still out of character for Megan Ellison.
The only thing anybody remembers about this film is Christian Bale's rant on set that got leaked to YouTube.
Man, I remember this being one of the most hyped and advertised movies of the summer
I remember how disappointing the film was and its box office numbers. I wish they would have made a smaller more focused movie. I don't hate the film but it definitely has a lot of issues.
Its mind boggling how one of the best sequel movies of all time in Terminator 2 could have been followed up by such crap.
The only entertaining thing about this movie is the Bale rant at set.
Still have no idea why they got McG of all people to direct a Terminator movie. This could have had some potential with a good director.
McGee
The only good, or at least good enough, post-T2 Terminator movie, but I wished they followed Jonathan Nolan's original script to the end, instead of only partially following it in the first half of the movie
was that the one where john connor dies and marcus gets his face sewn onto him????
It was something wild, like Skynet basically feeling guilt of wiping out its creators since Judgment Day and plotting its own demise but in a way that it would appear to humans that it was their victory and making them fight and become united to earn it
What? Never heard of that. The original ending had like John dies due to his wounds and they use Marcus, skin grafting him as Connor to keep the rebellion alive. Once he becomes conscious he kills everyone in the room including John's fiance. It's considered too dark and they changed the idea to John making out alive and Marcus giving his heart. The other two films were set to conclude the trilogy. But the continuation to Salvation is written through the comics where they go more into the depth of sky net and if I remember correctly the ending to the conflict is something like matrix revolutions with Marcus becoming leader to the machines. It's been a long time since I read those. But they would have made an interesting trilogy of films.
"McG"
I might have enjoyed it more if that twist wasn't revealed in the trailer.
It was a pretty good sequel though. Third best Terminator film imo. I love this helicopter scene but the film really doubled down on the trend of Terminators grabbing you and throwing you away. The Terminator could have killed John Connor twice in this encounter, but no, throw him away just to chase after him again.
I just rewatched this a few weeks ago, having purchased the blu-ray set for the whole series recently. I remember I enjoyed the midnight screening of this when it came out. And re-watching it, I still enjoyed it and don't understand the negativity. I mean, sure, it ain't no T2 (but what is!?), it's still a hell of an action movie with some great sets and machine designs. I think when it originally came out, they shot themselves in the foot by revealing the "twist" in the trailer. But it's 2024, and who cares. Also, Genisys and Dark Fate make this movie seem like a masterpiece by comparison.
Regarding Terminator Genisys
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminator_Genisys#Critical_response
"In a 2021 interview with The Hollywood Reporter while promoting The Many Saints of Newark, Taylor admitted as having "lost the will to make movies and to live as a director" after his experience directing Genisys and Thor: The Dark World, causing him to enter into a depression." Damn! I liked the movie despite its flaws.