The Israel/Gaza conflict is now well into its eighth month as the slaughter and starvation of Palestinians continues unabated, with many tens of thousands of helpless civilians already dead.
Despite occasional bleats of feeble disapproval by members of the Biden Administration, America’s government has continued to fully support that massacre, providing all the necessary money and munitions that enable it. Although as far back as January, the jurists of the International Court of Justice had issued a series of near-unanimous rulings that the Palestinians were at risk of suffering genocide at the hands of an Israel consumed with bloodlust, the leadership of America and the West totally ignored that verdict. Just a couple of weeks ago, our government passed new legislation providing an additional $26 billion in financial and military support to that genocidally-minded country. When word came out that the International Criminal Court might be planning to indict several Israeli leaders for war-crimes, twelve U.S. Senators published a letter directly threatening the ICC and its leadership if it took that step.
For many months, horrific images of dead or dying Palestinian children have become widespread on relatively uncensored social media platforms such as TikTok and Elon Musk’s Twitter, and across America large numbers of college students have reacted to that carnage. Over the last two generations, they and their predecessors had been heavily indoctrinated in the story of the Holocaust and the terrible shame of those who stood by and did nothing as innocent men, women, and children were murdered. So with grisly scenes of what they consider a present-day genocide unfolding in real-time on their smartphones, a huge wave of protest demonstrations has swept across our colleges and universities, a campaign far greater than anything since the late 1960s movement opposing the Vietnam War.
College protests on a wide range of different social and ideological issues had been common for decades and these have sometimes focused on foreign policy controversies. But unlike all those previous examples, the protests criticizing Israel immediately provoked an enormously harsh and hostile reaction from our political and media establishment. When the presidents of Harvard and Penn were hauled before a Congressional committee and they emphasized their commitment to maintaining political free speech at their universities, both those Ivy League leaders were quickly forced to resign, an absolutely unprecedented development in American academic history.
Then last month the president of Columbia University sought to avoid a similar fate after she faced a grilling before that same House committee, so she quickly called in 100 NYC riot police who broke up the pro-Gaza demonstrations taking place on her campus and arrested many of the protesters. Images of burly, helmeted police manhandling peaceful students on their own campus for protesting a possible genocide went viral on social media, inspiring a huge wave of sympathy protests at dozens of other universities, many of which were soon broken up in similar fashion by local police raids. As of last week, some 2,800 college students have been arrested at dozens of schools for peacefully exercising their freedom of speech. This crackdown seems far more severe than anything since the late 1960s and in some respects may have even exceeded that previous peak set more than a half-century ago.
As I emphasized in an article last week, the scenes from Emory University were particularly shocking, with Georgia’s Republican governor ordering his state police to invade the grounds of one of the most prestigious local academic institutions and arrest the protesters. In one particularly dramatic incident a 57-year-old tenured professor of Economics named Carolyn Frohlin was distressed to see one of her own students being violently wrestled to the ground and approached him. For merely walking across her own campus, she was immediately grabbed by a hulking police sergeant and another officer, thrown to the ground, hog-tied, and arrested. CNN anchor Jim Acosta expressed total shock at this when he reported the story, and the video has now been viewed hundreds of thousands of times on YouTube.
Consider that a seemingly very respectable-looking middle-aged college professor was brutally man-handled and arrested by the police on her own campus merely for trying to closely observe the arrest of one of her own protesting students. I’m not sure whether anything like this had ever previously happened in American college history even during the height of the 1960s protest movement, and it seemed more what we would expect to see on the college campuses of turbulent Latin American dictatorships.
Others had similar reactions. Someone distributed a shorter clip of the same incident on Twitter, with that Tweet viewed some 1.5 million times.
This isn’t CHINA..🇨🇳 This is AMERICA..🇺🇸
Emory Professor, Caroline Fohlin is violently arrested by police at her workplace…
This is Fascism, this is in violation of her 1st Amendment pic.twitter.com/Jv4LtQ3t88
— Pelham (@Resist_05) April 26, 2024
Although my main focus was on the video clip itself, the first line of the Tweet’s introductory text also caught my eye:
This isn’t CHINA.. This is AMERICA..
In recent years our government and its subservient media have become intensely hostile towards China. As far back as January 2020, both the Trump Administration and the Biden Administration had together declared that the Chinese government was guilty of committing “genocide” against its Uighur minority of Xinjiang Province despite failing to provide any evidence that significant numbers of Uighurs had been harmed let alone killed. Our leading media organs enthusiastically endorsed and promoted that story, which merely seems to be a ridiculous propaganda-hoax.
So surely if there existed any video footage of Chinese security forces attacking a Chinese professor at a Chinese university in such a manner, the global media would have been blanketed with that story for days or weeks and it would have been featured on the front page of the New York Times. Indeed, I think that merely a credible report of such an incident would have gotten heavy media coverage, and I haven’t seen any such thing. So although that Tweeter’s accusatory comparison was certainly well-intentioned, he was probably mistaken. There’s no evidence that anything like that has happened in China in recent years, let alone on a regular basis.
What then inspired those words? Obviously the proximate cause was the unrelenting wave of anti-China rhetoric and propaganda that has poured out of nearly all of our media outlets during the last few years. But I strongly suspect that a crucial factor had been the Tiananmen Square Massacre of 1989, which for 35 years has been regularly revisited on every June 4th anniversary by our media.
In that notorious atrocity, euphemistically known within China itself as “the June Fourth Incident,” many hundreds of peaceful pro-democracy student protesters were massacred by the Chinese military, with some senior American officials even later claiming that the true death-toll was vastly larger, perhaps numbering many thousands or more. Those huge anti-government protests in Beijing had gone on for many weeks so large numbers of Western reporters and camera crews were already on the scene covering the story. This allowed them to document the events as they unfolded and their gripping photographic images and video footage were widely broadcast all across the world, becoming an indelible part of our historical memory. Who can forget the famous, tragic scene of a single, lone civilian courageously blocking an advancing column of Chinese tanks with his own body? The story of “Tank Man” became world famous, with that image often appearing in our standard textbooks.
For more than three decades, the legacy of that horrific 1989 Chinese massacre has been a weighty one, greatly coloring Western perceptions of China, even among writers who were focused on entirely different matters.
For example, two weeks ago I published an article on the origins of the Covid epidemic and my analysis discussed important books on that topic by Sen. Rand Paul, Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., and an independent Canadian journalist named Elaine Dewar.
All those authors strongly believed that the virus had been created in China’s Wuhan lab and then leaked out, resulting in the global epidemic that has killed perhaps thirty million people worldwide. The writers were firmly convinced of the nefarious nature of China’s government and although the leak of the virus had been accidental, China’s stubborn denial of what had happened demonstrated the notorious dishonesty of its regime.
Although 1989 was decades in the past, all those books also included mention of the Tiananmen Square Massacre of that year, in most cases several times, citing that incident as proof-positive evidence of the cruelty of China’s dictatorial government, which had slaughtered so many of its own young college students merely for peacefully seeking democratic freedom. The authors also suggested various conspiratorial plots by China’s dictatorship, and although the evidence for most of these seemed extremely thin, there was an underlying assumption that a government willing to butcher its own idealistic young students was capable of almost anything.
- How Rand Paul and RFK Jr. Avoided the Elephant in the Room on Covid
Ron Unz • The Unz Review • April 29, 2024 • 8,500 Words
Back in late 2021 I’d published an earlier article that reviewed and analyzed several other books on Covid origins. These had similarly blamed the epidemic on a virus bioengineered by the Chinese, and once again they mentioned the Tiananmen Square Massacre in much the same way. Indeed, Washington Post columnist Josh Rogin cited that 1989 massacre five separate times in his book, while Sharri Markson of Rupert Murdoch’s SkyNews quoted former Trump Secretary of State Mike Pompeo who suggested that up to 10,000 Chinese civilians had been killed at the time. The subsequent denial of that brutal massacre by the Chinese government merely demonstrated its total dishonesty, indicating that it could not be trusted on matters related to Covid or anything else.
- American Pravda: Confronting Covid Crimestop
Ron Unz • The Unz Review • December 13, 2021 • 6,400 Words
Rather than fading away over time, the story of the 1989 massacre still very regularly appears in our media. When I did a quick search of the New York Times for the last five years I found more than 100 different references to the “Tiananmen Square Massacre” while a similar search of the Wall Street Journal returned 95 results. Given the enormous influence of those elite newspapers on so many other publications and journalists, I’m sure that searches of lesser outlets would return comparable totals. With that story of Tiananmen Square still appearing in the news so frequently, it’s hardly surprising that all those books and authors would have mentioned it, believing that it provided important insights into the behavior of China’s government and the Communist Party that controlled it.
Just as Auschwitz and the Holocaust have permanently branded Germany with a mark of Cain and the 1937 Rape of Nanking has similarly blackened Japan’s reputation, China will long suffer the international political consequences of the 1989 Tiananmen Square Massacre, at least while its Communist Party remains in power.
Those books mentioned above were focused upon the origins of Covid and uniformly blamed the Chinese for the creation of the virus and its accidental release. But from the earliest days of the epidemic, my own analysis has been very different and over the last four years I’ve published some two dozen articles making my contrary case. The first of these appeared in April 2020, and in it I suggested that the story of the 1989 Tiananmen Square Massacre provided a useful means of weighing the credibility of China’s government and media against that of our own:
Consider, for example, the Tiananmen Square Massacre, which every June 4th still evokes an annual wave of harsh condemnations in the news and opinion pages of our leading national newspapers. I had never originally doubted those facts, but a year or two ago I happened to come across a short article by journalist Jay Matthews entitled “The Myth of Tiananmen” that completely upended that apparent reality.
According to Matthews the infamous massacre had likely never happened, but was merely a media artifact produced by confused Western reporters and dishonest propaganda, a mistaken belief that had quickly become embedded in our standard media storyline, endlessly repeated by so many ignorant journalists that they all eventually believed it to be true. Instead, as near as could be determined, the protesting students had all left Tiananmen Square peacefully, just as the Chinese government had always maintained. Indeed, leading newspapers such as the New York Times and the Washington Post had occasionally acknowledged these facts over the years, but usually buried those scanty admissions so deep in their stories that few had ever noticed. Meanwhile, the bulk of the mainstream media had fallen for an apparent hoax.
Matthews himself had been the Beijing Bureau Chief of the Washington Post, personally covering the protests at the time, and his article appeared in the Columbia Journalism Review, our most prestigious venue for media criticism. This authoritative analysis containing such explosive conclusions was first published in 1998, and I find it difficult to believe that many reporters or editors covering China have remained ignorant of this information, yet the impact has been absolutely nil. For over twenty years virtually every mainstream media account I have read has continued to promote the Tiananmen Square Massacre Hoax, usually implicitly but sometimes explicitly.
Although I’d only devoted three paragraphs to debunking that non-existent 1989 massacre, I regarded the case as so strong that I’d never considered any further investigation, while occasionally quoting that passage in my later articles or comments. But given such brief and glancing coverage, relatively few probably absorbed it. For example, several weeks ago a commenter who was unaware of what I’d said urged me to write an article on the true history. At the time, I doubted it was worth the effort, but now that I’ve recognized that the false legend of Tiananmen still remains so widespread and has regularly been used to attack the credibility of the Chinese government, even with regard to the origins of Covid, I’ve decided to do so.
An important point is that Washington Post journalist Jay Matthews was hardly alone in asserting that all the student protesters had peacefully left Tiananmen Square just as the Chinese government claimed at the time. Nicholas Kristof, Beijing Bureau Chief of the New York Times, had also been covering those historical events, and in a Times article published about a week later, he’d said much the same thing, citing various credible eyewitnesses to that effect. He also strongly debunked other, anonymous accounts of a massacre that had previously appeared in his own newspaper. Some months later Kristof published a long 5,400 word article in the New York Times Sunday Magazine providing a very detailed chronology as well as an analysis of the political circumstances surrounding the crackdown, and towards the end of the piece he flatly asserted that “There [was] no massacre in Tiananmen Square.”
Knowledgeable observers certainly soon recognized the facts. Steven Mosher is a conservative China researcher who has published a long series of books intensely critical of the country’s Communist government. One of the earliest of these was China Misperceived, which appeared in 1990, and on the very first page of the text he explained that the denouement of the Tiananmen protests occurred just as he was writing his final chapters. Then, towards the end of his book, he described the grisly tales that were widely reported in the Western media and eventually became embedded in the permanent narrative:
The best illustration of this sudden eagerness to believe the worst of Beijing was the wide circulation received by an unsubstantiated report of a massacre of students on Tiananmen Square proper. During the final stage of the assault on the Square, the rumor went, the army had surrounded thousands of students encamped near the Monument of Revolutionary Heroes and cut them down with machine-gun fire. Tanks had run back and forth over their tents to ensure that there were no survivors. The corpses had then been piled into mounds and burned under cover of darkness to destroy evidence of the slaughter. Stories along these lines ran in several major American newspapers, including the Washington Post. Correspondents continued to refer to this episode on the air and in print even after it was publicly disputed by Western eyewitnesses such as Robin Munro of Asia Watch. It was too perfect a demonstration of what Beijing was now believed capable of to be lightly abandoned.
In a footnote, he expanded on what seemed to have been the true facts:
Robin Munro was one of the Westerners with the final group of several thousand students occupying the Square. He reports that they evacuated the Square shortly before dawn on June 5 without loss of life. On the eighth he joined a BBC camera crew as an interpreter and was astonished to hear the BBC correspondent refer to the massacre of these students during the course of a broadcast as if it were an established fact. Robin Munro, personal communication with the author, 18 February 1990.
In 1993 Munro himself joined veteran foreign policy journalist George Black to publish Black Hands of Beijing, a very detailed 400 page account of those 1989 protests that was strongly supportive of the students and sharply critical of the Chinese government and its crackdown, with their book glowingly praised by numerous China scholars. They also very firmly declared that no such massacre had ever occurred, opening Chapter 15 with the following explanation, worth quoting at length:
The phrase “Tiananmen Square massacre” is now fixed firmly in the political vocabulary of the late twentieth century. Yet it is inaccurate. There was no massacre in Tiananmen Square on the night of June 3…
But most of the reporters who remained near the square after one o’clock in the morning, when the first army units got there, left in haste and out of legitimate fear for their safety.
The lack of eyewitnesses was the first problem in establishing what happened on that fearsome night in Beijing. But there were other, more profound questions about how the foreign media saw their role in the Beijing Spring. The pacifist idealism of the young students triggered memories of the 1960s and America’s civil rights movement, and the students’ adept use of Western symbols, like headbands inscribed with Patrick Henry’s “Give me liberty, or give me death,” riveted Western attention on the students…
There was more: some predisposition, perhaps, to believe in the massacre in the square, even though no one actually saw it. Whether or not it happened in reality, it was the necessary consummation of an allegory of innocence, sacrifice, and redemption…
Imagination filled the gaps. Into the vacuum rushed the most lurid tales of the supposed denouement in the square…A widely recounted eyewitness report, purportedly from a student at Qinghua University, spoke of the students on the Monument being mowed down at point-blank range by a bank of machine guns at four in the morning. The survivors had then either been chased across the square by tanks and crushed, or clubbed to death by infantrymen. But it was all pure fabrication.
By the time historians began to correct the record, the episode was enshrined in myth: Hundreds, perhaps thousands, of students had died in a massacre in Tiananmen Square.
Over time, other highly-credible mainstream journalists who had been present at Tiananmen Square came forward and reported those same facts. I’d highly recommend a long 2019 blogpost by Chris Kanthan that conveniently compiled and linked much of this material, along with a wealth of images and videos that I have drawn upon below.
In 2009, the CBS News website carried a short column by Richard Roth, who had been its correspondent covering the Tiananmen protests, appropriately titled “There Was No ‘Tiananmen Square Massacre.'”
That same year, the BBC published a piece by James Miles, its own correspondent saying much the same thing:
The first draft of history can be crude…I was one of the foreign journalists who witnessed the events that night…There was no massacre on Tiananmen Square.
A few years later, former Australian diplomat Gregory Clark published a piece in the Japan Times taking that position as well as very similar piece in the International Business Times entitled “Tiananmen Square Massacre is a Myth, All We’re ‘Remembering’ are British Lies” that opened with the following paragraphs:
June 4, 2014 will for many mark the 25th anniversary of the Tiananmen Square massacre. What it should actually mark is the anniversary of one of the more spectacular UK black information operations — almost on a par with the mythical Iraqi weapons of mass destruction.
The original story of Chinese troops on the night of 3 and 4 June, 1989 machine-gunning hundreds of innocent student protesters in Beijing’s iconic Tiananmen Square has since been thoroughly discredited by the many witnesses there at the time — among them a Spanish TVE television crew, a Reuters correspondent and protesters themselves, who say that nothing happened other than a military unit entering and asking several hundred of those remaining to leave the Square late that night.
In 2011 Wikileaks released a trove of secret American cables and these included several sent from the U.S. Embassy in Beijing reporting on the events of June 4th and fully confirming this same reality. Moreover, these cables demonstrated that for the previous 22 years the American government had been deliberately deceiving its public about what had happened in 1989, but this explosive story was totally ignored by the New York Times, the Washington Post, the Wall Street Journal, and almost every other mainstream media outlet of the Anglosphere so very few heard about it.
The sole exception to that shameful silence was Britain’s conservative Daily Telegraph which ran an article on the June 4th anniversary entitled “Wikileaks: no bloodshed inside Tiananmen Square, cables claim.” The subheading was even more forceful: “Secret cables from the United States embassy in Beijing have shown there was no bloodshed inside Tiananmen Square when China put down student pro-democracy demonstrations 22 years ago.” A sidebar in that same publication quoted the text of some of those explosive secret cables:
1. From 89BEIJING18828 – July 7, 1989. A Chilean diplomat provides an eye-witness account of the soldiers entering Tiananmen Square: HE WATCHED THE MILITARY ENTER THE SQUARE AND DID NOT OBSERVE ANY MASS FIRING OF WEAPONS INTO THE CROWDS, ALTHOUGH SPORADIC GUNFIRE WAS HEARD. HE SAID THAT MOST OF THE TROOPS WHICH ENTERED THE SQUARE WERE ACTUALLY ARMED ONLY WITH ANTI-RIOT GEAR–TRUNCHEONS AND WOODEN CLUBS; THEY WERE BACKED UP BY ARMED SOLDIERS.
2. From 89BEIJING18828 – July 7, 1989. A Chilean diplomat provides an eye-witness account of the soldiers entering Tiananmen Square: ALTHOUGH GUNFIRE COULD BE HEARD, HE SAID THAT APART FROM SOME BEATING OF STUDENTS, THERE WAS NO MASS FIRING INTO THE CROWD OF STUDENTS AT THE MONUMENT.
Under normal circumstances I would have been reluctant to belabor the point by citing so many different eyewitnesses and credible analysts all essentially saying the same thing about those 1989 events. But for more than three decades, perhaps 99% of all Western media coverage has assumed and endorsed the “Tiananmen Square Massacre Hoax” and as a consequence I suspect that 99% of Westerners, including influential journalists and authors, today probably believe in the reality of that fictional event. This completely false narrative has severely tainted both public and elite perceptions of the Chinese government on all sorts of other important matters. Therefore, I felt it was necessary to demonstrate the enormous weight of evidence on the other side.
Although Wikipedia is an invaluable source of basic information, it is notoriously skewed and unreliable on controversial matters, and I naturally assumed this would be the case when I read its 26,000 word article entitled “1989 Tiananmen Square protests and massacre. “ But to my considerable surprise the article was much more even-handed and objective than I’d expected, presumably because the factual evidence was so overwhelmingly against the story of “the Tiananmen Square Massacre” promoted in our mainstream media.
In order to better understand how the legend of the Tiananmen Square Massacre became so deeply embedded in our mainstream media narrative despite such strong evidence to the contrary, we must consider what actually transpired in Beijing on June 4, 1989. Parts of the city, including some of the roads to the square saw violent attacks against the advancing military forces in which considerable numbers of Chinese servicemen were killed. As the Wall Street Journal reported at the time:
As columns of tanks and tens of thousands of soldiers approached Tiananmen, many troops were set on by angry mobs who screamed, “Fascists.” Dozens of soldiers were pulled from trucks, severely beaten and left for dead. At an intersection west of the square, the body of a young soldier, who had been beaten to death, was stripped naked and hung from the side of a bus. Another soldier’s corpse was strung up at an intersection east of the square.
Many of these soldiers carried no firearms, and they often even lacked helmets or any weapons to defend themselves when the rioters attacked their vehicles, setting them on fire. According to the Washington Post, protesters used fire-bombs and Molotov cocktails to torch an entire military convoy of more than 100 trucks and armored vehicles, while a CBS News photographer reported witnessing the mobs beating to death some of the soldiers inside. Obviously, under such circumstances it’s hardly surprising that armed troops would have responded with lethal force.
A video from Chinese television shows the burning military vehicles and the general mayhem in parts of Beijing.
Based upon my limited research, I think the exact number of casualties on both sides remains unclear to this day, as well as which side initiated the violence, and the latter may have varied in different parts of the city. The official report of the Chinese government apparently claimed that more than 1,000 military and police vehicles were burned by rioters and over 200 soldiers and policemen were killed, but this may be a considerable exaggeration, and they may have similarly under-reported the number of civilians killed, which they put at around 300. According to the WSJ, some news organizations calling local hospitals estimated 500 civilian deaths, while other sources believed that the total was much higher.
Regardless of these disputed casualty figures, for 35 years our mainstream media narrative has incorrectly conflated the fate of the many violent rioters who died elsewhere in Beijing with that of the peaceful student protesters at Tiananmen Square, none of whom were killed or injured.
One of the iconic images from those days was that of “Tank Man,” a lone Chinese civilian who blocked a column of tanks, but I think that the implications of that incident were exactly contrary to our standard narrative. Instead of shooting or crushing that stubborn protester, the column of tanks halted and unsuccessfully tried to navigate around him, until a couple of other civilians finally intervened and pulled him to safety.
An interesting aspect of the footage is that the YouTube version, which has been viewed some 11 million times, truncated the video before we could see that Chinese protester walking safely away. I suspect this may have been intended to mislead viewers into believing that he was eventually crushed to death by the tanks, since although I spent a few minutes hunting around, I had no luck locating the complete video anywhere on YouTube.
In many other countries around the world, an unarmed civilian who attempted to block a military column of tanks would be facing certain death. Indeed, when American activist Rachel Corrie tried to prevent an armored Israeli bulldozer from demolishing the home of a Palestinian family in 2003, the driver deliberately crushed her to death, and there have been recent reports of Israeli tanks crushing bound Palestinian prisoners in Gaza, with images of their grisly remains available on the Internet.
At its height more than a million angry demonstrators had occupied the streets of China’s capital, and these protests continued for many weeks during 1989, with most observers reasonably believing that the four decade long rule of the country’s Communist Party was tottering. Although that popular dissatisfaction was probably more focused on mundane issues such as government corruption and inflation—which had spiked to 26% the previous year—rather than political liberalism, the existence of such widespread dissatisfaction was certainly real.
As Western journalists had reported at the time and books by Black/Munro and others later confirmed, China’s top political leadership was deeply conflicted over how to respond to this unprecedented public threat to their continued rule. The country’s highest governing body, the Standing Committee of the Politburo, became deadlocked over a crackdown, and General-Secretary Zhao Ziyang eventually aligned himself with the protesters, hoping to use their popular movement to overcome his political rivals.
Thus, the entire world watched in wonderment as a massive, unexpected popular uprising seemed on the verge of toppling the once seemingly unshakable Communist rule of the world’s most populous nation.
In the decades that followed, similar popular protests and uprisings, usually aligned with American interests or supportive of Western ideology, were to become quite common across the world, so much so that they were given the generic name of “Color Revolutions,” with the governments of Eastern European or Soviet successor states being the most typical targets, including those of Serbia, Ukraine, and Georgia. Therefore, with the benefit of hindsight, some anti-American writers and activists have argued that although ultimately unsuccessful the 1989 uprising in Beijing was actually the first of these, having been orchestrated or manipulated by elements of the American government and its allied groups. Kantham’s lengthy 2019 blog post takes this position, as does a long article published that same year by journalist Max Parry.
Such individuals noted that in 1986 the Open Society Institute of George Soros had provided a million dollars in funding to support China’s emerging pro-democracy forces over the next few years, and after the massive demonstrations began, many millions of additional dollars poured into the country to support the protesters, who were also quickly elevated as international heroes by the globally-dominant Western media. But none of this seems strange or surprising, and there’s a huge difference between the West opportunistically coming out in strong support of a fully organic anti-government populist movement and the belief that the latter had actually been created or heavily instigated by such outside forces.
So while a hidden but central Western role cannot be ruled out, I’ve seen no strong evidence supporting such a conspiratorial analysis of the 1989 protests, and as far as I can tell the conventional analysis provided by the Black/Munro book seems perfectly plausible.
Meanwhile, I’d point to a far more obvious factor behind the 1989 Beijing protests, one that had been completely excluded from all these different analyses, whether mainstream or alterative, pro-China or anti-China. Several months before the Beijing protests began, the important Chinese city of Nanjing had been rocked by demonstrations against the presence of African students in that city, with similar anti-African unrest later spreading to other major cities, including Shanghai and Beijing. Although the government ultimately declared the protests illegal and suppressed them, their popular demands were largely conceded, with most of the Africans leaving the country and new restrictions placed on the activities of those who remained.
Such large public demonstrations had previously been extremely rare in China, and the widespread media coverage of the Nanjing protesters and their considerable success in achieving their objectives must surely have inspired those who began the Tiananmen demonstrations three months later. Indeed some of the latter protesters even still carried signs denouncing African students, underscoring the close connection between the two movements.
The story of the Tiananmen Square Massacre that never happened hardly represents the only case in which incorrect or deliberately misleading information has stubbornly been maintained for decades by our dishonest mainstream media.
A few days ago, Chinese leader Xi Jinping began a trip to Europe and his itinerary included Serbia, with his visit heavily covered in the New York Times. A May 7th article contained the following paragraphs, together with a photo of the wrecked Chinese embassy:
Mr. Xi’s arrival in Serbia on Tuesday coincided with the 25th anniversary of a mistaken strike by NATO warplanes on the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade during the 1999 bombing campaign. Three Chinese journalists were killed.
That incident, which many in China believe was not an accident, created a “strong emotional bond between Serbs and Chinese,” said Aleksandar Mitic of the Institute of International Politics and Economics in Belgrade.
The much longer Times article on May 8th was even more forceful in declaring that the American attack on the embassy had been accidental, with the subheading reading:
Visiting friendly leaders in Eastern Europe, the Chinese president commemorated the 25th anniversary of a misdirected U.S. airstrike that destroyed China’s embassy in Belgrade.
The first two paragraphs read:
China and Serbia on Wednesday proclaimed an “ironclad friendship” and a “shared future” during a visit to Belgrade by the Chinese president, Xi Jinping, underlining the close political and economic ties between two countries that share a wariness of the United States.
Mr. Xi arrived in Serbia late Tuesday — the 25th anniversary of a mistaken 1999 airstrike involving the U.S. Air Force during the Kosovo war that destroyed the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade, the Serbian capital. Three Chinese journalists were killed in the strike.
And the article went on to say:
The 25th anniversary of the NATO bombing has come at a time when Mr. Xi’s government is trying to steady relations with the United States and Western Europe. He had been expected to visit the bombed embassy site, which he visited on his last trip to Serbia in 2016 and is usually a mandatory stop for Chinese officials visiting Belgrade. But he had not appeared there before he left Belgrade Wednesday evening for his next stop, the Hungarian capital of Budapest, Europe’s only other reliably China-friendly capital.
His decision to skip the former embassy site, now a Chinese cultural center that features a black, tombstone-like marble tablet mourning Chinese and Serbian “martyrs,” suggested a desire to avoid rekindling anti-American passions that at the time of the bombing in 1999 led to angry protests by tens of thousands of Chinese around the U.S. embassy in Beijing, some throwing bottles and rocks.
He did not ignore the bombing entirely, but avoided anti-Western bombast.
“This we should never forget,” Mr. Xi said in a statement published on Tuesday by Politika, a Serbian newspaper, recalling that “25 years ago today, NATO flagrantly bombed the Chinese Embassy.” He said that China’s friendship with Serbia had been “forged with the blood of our compatriots” and “will stay in the shared memory of the Chinese and Serbian peoples”…
“The Chinese people will never forget this barbaric atrocity committed by NATO and will never accept such tragic history repeating itself,” Lin Jian, a spokesman for the ministry, told reporters in Beijing on Tuesday.
This lengthy Times piece emphasized that the American bombing attack on the Chinese embassy in Belgrade had been a tragic accident, suggesting that the angry Chinese reaction was unwarranted and even irrational, and for twenty-five years this has been the absolutely uniform portrayal by all American mainstream media outlets. But in the same 2020 article in which I’d discussed the true history of the 1989 events in Tiananmen Square, I’d also explained what had actually happened in 1999 Belgrade.
Although our limited bombing campaign seemed quite successful and soon forced the Serbs to the bargaining table, the short war did include one very embarrassing mishap. The use of old maps had led to a targeting error that caused one of our smart bombs to accidentally strike the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade, killing three members of its delegation and wounding dozens more. The Chinese were outraged by this incident, and their propaganda organs began claiming that the attack had been deliberate, a reckless accusation that obviously made no logical sense.
In those days I watched the PBS Newshour every night, and was shocked to see their U.S. Ambassador raise those absurd charges with host Jim Lehrer, whose disbelief matched my own. But when I considered that the Chinese government was still stubbornly denying the reality of its massacre of the protesting students in Tiananmen Square a decade earlier, I concluded that unreasonable behavior by PRC officials was only to be expected. Indeed, there was even some speculation that China was cynically milking the unfortunate accident for domestic reasons, hoping to stoke the sort of jingoist anti-Americanism among the Chinese people that would finally help bind the social wounds of that past 1989 outrage.
Even more remarkable were the discoveries I made regarding our supposedly accidental bombing of the Chinese Embassy in 1999. Not long after launching this website, I added former Asia Times contributor Peter Lee as a columnist, incorporating his China Matters blogsite archives that stretched back for a decade. He soon published a 7,000 word article on the Belgrade Embassy bombing, representing a compilation of material already contained in a half-dozen previous pieces he’d written on that subject from 2007 onward. To my considerable surprise, he provided a great deal of persuasive evidence that the American attack on the Chinese embassy had indeed been deliberate, just as China had always maintained.
According to Lee, Beijing had allowed its embassy to be used as a site for secure radio transmission facilities by the Serbian military, whose own communications network was a primary target of NATO airstrikes. Meanwhile, Serbian air defenses had shot down an advanced American F-117A fighter, whose top-secret stealth technology was a crucial U.S. military secret. Portions of that enormously valuable wreckage were carefully gathered by the grateful Serbs, who delivered the material to the Chinese for temporary storage at their embassy prior to transport back home. This vital technological acquisition later allowed China to deploy its own J20 stealth fighter in early 2011, many years sooner than American military analysts had believed possible.
Based upon this analysis, Lee argued that the Chinese embassy was attacked in order to destroy the Serbian retransmission facilities located there, while punishing the Chinese for allowing such use. There were also widespread rumors in China that another motive had been an unsuccessful attempt to destroy the stealth debris stored within. Later Congressional testimony revealed that the among all the hundreds of NATO airstrikes, the attack on the Chinese embassy was the only one directly ordered by the CIA, a highly-suspicious detail.
Although the American media dominates the English-language world, many British publications also possess a strong global reputation, and since they are often much less in thrall to our own national security state, they have sometimes covered important stories that were ignored here. And in this case, the Sunday Observer published a remarkable expose in October 1999, citing several NATO military and intelligence sources who fully confirmed the deliberate nature of the American bombing of the Chinese embassy, with a US colonel even reportedly boasting that their smartbomb had hit the exact room intended.
This important story was immediately summarized in the Guardian, a sister publication, and also covered by the rival Times of London and many of the world’s other most prestigious publications, but encountered an absolute wall of silence in our own country. Such a bizarre divergence on a story of global strategic importance—a deliberate and deadly US attack against Chinese diplomatic territory—drew the attention of FAIR, a leading American media watchdog group, which published an initial critique and a subsequent follow-up. These two pieces totaled some 3,000 words, and effectively summarized both the overwhelming evidence of the facts and also the heavy international coverage, while reporting the weak excuses made by top American editors to explain their continuing silence. Based upon these articles, I consider the matter settled.
By coincidence, last month also marked another important historical anniversary. On April 7, 2024 the front page of the Times carried the headline “Thirty Years After a Genocide in Rwanda, Painful Memories Run Deep,” with an early paragraph summarizing those horrific events:
The agony of those harrowing days loomed large for many on Sunday as Rwanda marked the 30th anniversary of the genocide in which extremists from the country’s ethnic Hutu majority killed some 800,000 people — most of them ethnic Tutsis — using machetes, clubs and guns.
For decades I had read this absolutely uniform account of Rwanda’s 1994 ethnic slaughter in all my trusted media sources, never once doubting that the story was correct. But a few weeks ago I investigated it more closely and came to diametrically opposite conclusions based upon the persuasive analysis of a number of highly-credible academic scholars and journalists. I was particularly impressed by the work of the late Prof. Edward Herman of the University of Pennsylvania as I explained in my article:
I’d previously been unaware of Herman but henceforth took his views very seriously, and I recently discovered that in 2014 he had published Enduring Lies, a short work co-authored by independent journalist David Peterson that sharply challenged the standard Rwanda narrative, so I bought and read it.
Their slim volume carried a cover quote by the highly-regarded journalist John Pilger hailing their “landmark investigation,” and it also was praised by numerous others, including the authors of two different books on the Rwanda disaster, while my own verdict was the same. Herman was a serious scholar and their book provided a devastating and very convincing refutation of what the authors call “the standard model” of the events in Rwanda.
For most reasonable people, any talk of “genocide” must focus on the numbers, and the authors argued that these had been completely obfuscated in the case of 1994 Rwanda. No one ever denied that huge numbers of innocent Tutsi civilians had been killed, often in very grisly ways, but drawing upon the quantitative research of a couple of University of Michigan academics, the authors argued that the figures and percentages casually mentioned by Gourevitch and so many others were wildly exaggerated. The latter had claimed that many hundreds of thousands of Tutsis were slain, representing a large majority of their total population, but instead probably only 100,000 to 200,000 had died while the number of Hutu victims was a multiple of that, perhaps even many, many times larger.
One important point made by the authors is that the international tribunal later established to try those responsible for the Rwandan genocide deliberately avoided including any coverage of Hutu victims or Tutsi perpetrators, with Kagame and his fellows entirely protected from any legal investigation or sanction, thereby removing a very large majority of all the crimes from any consideration. Completely ignoring most of the killings and most of the victims might seem absurd, but it reflected the very strong political support that America, Britain, and other countries provided to the newly established Tutsi regime, and any prosecutors who tried to broaden that mandate were overruled or even removed from their positions.
An absolutely central theme of all the mainstream media coverage and books had been the planned nature of the genocide, but Herman and Peterson noted that all the Hutu leaders tried on those charges were either acquitted or had their convictions reversed on appeal, thereby demonstrating that this element of the story had little basis in evidence or reality. One of their appendices argued in detail that the key early warning fax allegedly sent to the UN several months before the killings began was a blatant forgery, and the verdicts of the tribunal seemed to strongly support that conclusion. They also summarized the very convincing evidence that Kagame rather than any shadowy extremist Hutu leaders had been responsible for the assassination of Rwanda’s Hutu president, the event that triggered the outbreak of violence.
According to their reckoning, the total number of Hutu civilians killed in Rwanda during 1994 was almost certainly in the hundreds of thousands and may have easily reached a million or more, while even larger numbers of Hutu refugees were slaughtered in the Congo during Kagame’s subsequent invasion, which he claimed had been launched to root out “genocidal war criminals.” That invasion led to the First and Second Congo Wars, which even the strictly establishmentarian Wikipedia admitted cost well over five million civilian lives, a body-count that utterly dwarfed the 1994 death toll in Rwanda.
Yet none of that horrendous bloodshed ever provoked any serious Western protests or even substantial media coverage, let alone outcries of “genocide” and international tribunals. Instead, Kagame, the central architect of those events, remained a great hero across most of our Western media. Herman and Peterson closed their last chapter by noting the extreme irony that although Kagame was widely celebrated as “the Abraham Lincoln” of Africa by Gourevitch and many of the journalists who followed his lead, the current Rwandan leader “is quite possibly the greatest mass murderer alive today.”
The authors argued that this total inversion of historical reality had been maintained since 1994 by extremely selective media access. They produced a list of the twenty leading advocates of “the standard model” and the twenty leading dissenters, and by checking the Factiva database determined that the former had almost totally monopolized media access, especially if small French-language publications were excluded. When only one side of a story is told, the public can easily be persuaded to accept almost anything. I can certainly endorse those findings since despite my very extensive readings until a couple of years ago, I’d never even realized that there existed any significant dissent from the standard Rwanda narrative, let alone that the dissenters included highly-credible scholars.
I soon discovered that two decades after the enormous wave of ethnic killings in Rwanda, the BBC had produced a lengthy documentary that fully confirmed Herman’s controversial analysis, and I discussed this in portions of a follow-up article later that same month:
The year 2014 marked the twentieth anniversary of the killings, and Herman, Peterson, and Black were not the only individuals interested in reexamining the facts. That same year the BBC produced and broadcast an hour long documentary investigation of the Rwanda genocide that came to almost exactly the same conclusions as those authors. Some of Kagame’s former top military commanders were interviewed on camera, revealing that he had been responsible for the assassination of Rwanda’s Hutu president, and then used that crime to provide cover for his renewed invasion of the country and the massacre of its Hutu population. There were also interviews with American academics whose careful quantitative field work contradicted the widely-held narrative of events and instead confirmed that the overwhelming majority of the victims had been Hutu civilians, who died at the hands of Kagame’s Tutsi forces, with interviews of some Hutu survivors. In subsequent years, Kagame had solidified his control through a reign of terror, and any Rwandans who challenged his official account faced imprisonment or death as “Genocide Deniers.” His regime even made efforts to track down and assassinate defectors or political dissidents who had fled the country.
Although I found the facts and interviews presented in the BBC documentary important and persuasive, even more shocking to me was that it had received virtually no coverage in the rest of the Western media in the decade since it had been released, leaving me completely unaware of its existence. For generations, the BBC has been regarded as one of the world’s most prestigious and reputable mainstream sources of news information, yet none of our other media outlets had taken any notice of a major documentary that completely overturned the existing Rwanda narrative.
- American Pravda: The Rwandan Genocide
Ron Unz • The Unz Review • March 4, 2024 • 7,400 Words - American Pravda: Samantha Power, R2P, and the Politics of Genocide
Ron Unz • The Unz Review • March 25, 2024 • 7,900 Words
These days our own country’s relations with China are the worst they have been for many decades and the 35th anniversary of the June Fourth Incident is just three weeks away. Based upon past experience, I fully expect our mainstream media will once again give very heavy coverage to that horrifying 1989 massacre of China’s peaceful pro-democracy student protesters in Tiananmen Square, which has become a watershed event of China’s modern history and its relations with the West despite being totally fictional.
A few days ago, our media similarly focused upon the 25th anniversary of the very real American bombing of the Chinese embassy in Belgrade, but firmly declared it “accidental,” another absurd falsehood. And the previous month, high-profile stories had noted the 25th anniversary of the Rwandan genocide, uniformly described by our media as a deliberate planned campaign of extermination waged by the country’s Hutus against their Tutsi ethnic rivals even though there seems very strong evidence that the actual reality was the other way round.
All of these bring to mind a short passage from one of my 2016 articles that I’ve frequently quoted:
We naively tend to assume that our media accurately reflects the events of our world and its history, but instead what we all too often see are only the tremendously distorted images of a circus fun-house mirror, with small items sometimes transformed into large ones, and large ones into small. The contours of historical reality may be warped into almost unrecognizable shapes, with some important elements completely disappearing from the record and others appearing out of nowhere. I’ve often suggested that the media creates our reality, but given such glaring omissions and distortions, the reality produced is often largely fictional. Our standard histories have always criticized the ludicrous Soviet propaganda during the height of Stalin’s purges or the Ukrainian famine, but in its own way, our own media organs sometimes seem just as dishonest and absurd in their own reporting. And until the availability of the Internet, it was difficult for most of us to ever recognize the enormity of this problem.
If the American political class were to discover what had actually happened in 1989 Beijing, 1994 Rwanda, and 1999 Belgrade, this might have an impact upon world politics and our relations with China and Rwanda. But I do not think that the impact would be large, nor would it change anything about the political issues that currently roil American society. However, the discovery of other important but long-concealed historical facts might do so.
Last Wednesday the top headlines on the front page of the Wall Street Journal reported that Israeli forces had entered Rafah and seized control of the key border crossing into Egypt. This was an important military escalation preparatory to a full invasion of that city now packed with well over a million desperate refugees, an invasion that would enormously increase Palestinian civilian deaths.
But above that article and occupying far more space on the front page was a large photograph showing President Joe Biden, Republican House Speaker Mike Johnson, and a throng of other leading Washington political figures all gathered together at a solemn public ceremony. The scene was explained by a large headline reading “Holocaust Remembrance Day Observed Amid War.” All this took place shortly after the House had overwhelmingly passed new legislation intended to suppress criticism of Jews or Israel, an important step along the path to ultimately outlawing such behavior.
- Israel/Gaza: The Masks Come Off in American Society
Ron Unz • The Unz Review • May 6, 2024 • 6,900 Words
It might make little difference to our society if most Americans discovered the truth about events in 1989 Beijing or 1999 Belgrade, and few of our citizens care whether Hutus slaughtered Tutsis or it was actually the other way round. But I think that discovering the true history of 1940s Europe would have world-shattering consequences:
- Why Everything You Know About World War II Is Wrong
Ron Unz • The Unz Review • June 12, 2023 • 12,600 Words - More Falsehoods of World War II
Ron Unz • The Unz Review • June 19, 2023 • 7,500 Words - Hitler, Churchill, the Holocaust, and the War in Ukraine
Ron Unz • The Unz Review • July 17, 2023 • 9,700 Words
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I plan to do a short video on the Tienanmen Square hoax. I was shocked to learn that Soros was involved. I recently did one about the Uyghur oppression hoax, where I also explain that “WE-gur” is the wrong pronunciation, and the USA has five times the incarceration rate of China.
I’d already finalized my current article when I’d this this morning’s Sunday New York Times, but it contained what might have been a very amusing coda.
As I mentioned in my article, Nicholas Kristof was the Beijing Bureau Chief of the Times in 1989, and not long after the end of the protests, he’d repeatedly mentioned in his articles that the supposed Tiananmen Square Massacre had never actually happened and that contrary to widespread rumors and false accounts, none of the peaceful student protesters there had been killed by the Chinese military. I quoted and linked his statements from 1989.
Unfortunately, despite his account and those of so many other credible eyewitnesses and journalists, the hoax became permanently embedded in our media narrative for the last 35 years, endlessly repeated in many thousands of stories.
And apparently as a result of reading all those media reports for more than three decades, Kristof now believes that the Tiananmen Square Massacre did indeed take place, or at least seems to say so in his Times column:
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/09/opinion/journalism-reporting-progress.html
I think this demonstrates that over time steady media coverage leads people to remember things that never actually happened. It’s a little like the notorious “recovered memory syndrome.”
That commenter may have changed the course of world history with his detailed comment.
I propose the Commenter’s dilemma: You can dash off a shorter comment and be in the first 10 comments, or take time to write a longer, more detailed comment that will appear farther down and be less read.
This is how they sell absolutely fake narratives to an unsuspecting, uncritical and gullible public. Most facts thus fabricated are subconsciously embedded in the minds of millions inhabiting a brave new world.
Jesus! Do you think some “Men in Black” shined a special light in his eyes and implanted the preferred memory?
As much as I despise the Chinese Communists I was shocked by their initial restraint. Before they sent in the tanks they spent nearly two months asking the students to leave the Square- only to be turned down.
Henry Kissinger’s comment on Tienanmen Square rings true: “No government in the world would have tolerated having the main square of its capital occupied for eight weeks by tens of thousands of demonstrators.”
I can’t wait for that Chinese character guy to reply!!
Ron, do you find this to be odd;
If you scroll down his twitter posts, he celebrates his “unit” infiltrating a Gaza hospital and killing three people.
https://jewishjournal.com/culture/304298/aaron-cohen-soldier-actor-writer-spy/
What was he doing “staging” at UCLA with local law enforcement before the camps were forcibly broken up? Law enforcement usually does not allow non-police to stage with them. Was the IDF assisting or directing?
The entire post-WWII ideological order is predicated on (1) WWII being a good and just war and (2) the Holocaust being the most important event in human history (to which more hours of instruction are dedicated in K-12 and undergrad than perhaps any other single subject). This narrative has been foundational to the dual projects of (1) “diversity and multiculturalism” and the dispossession of white Christendom through mass immigration and (2) the subjugation and ethnic cleansing of Palestine.
In Sailer’s recent piece “The Unprotected Class” he writes*:
Well, in brief: We’re all Palestinians now.
Some might argue that WWII and the “Holocaust” (whatever it was or wasn’t) narratives were necessary preconditions for the world that we find ourselves in today, but I doubt that. If you read the historical literature which lead to the development of Nazism it’s clear that Hitler, and others, believed our present dystopia to be the Jews’ long-desired designs. And the Nazis fought against it just as they fought against Bolshevism. In Mein Kampf (1924), Hitler wrote critically of both the Jewish dual projects of Zionism and their plans to import Africans into Europe with the purpose of bastardizing the German race – i.e., what we’d call today the Jewish “diversity and multiculuralism” project which they’ve foisted on the West in the post-WWII order, which has come to fruition throughout the white Christian West (what Jews call “Edom” – their most feared and hated enemy).**
Reflecting on the world of today it doesn’t really feel like “Americans and Brits” won WWII at all. Instead it feels like the Jews were the only real victors – for whom daddy fought as just a useful idiot of ZOG.
This is the ultimate “come to Jesus” issue for the white Christian West and the thing that Westerners must admit to themselves. They must acknowledge the falsehoods and lies on which the modern post-War order are based and admit that, actually, the bad guys won WWII and that you murdered your own savior again at the behest of the same criminal cabal for which you’d murdered Christ.
Recall how when Trump was running in 2015 he got up on the debate stage and called out the Iraq War for what a disaster it was? He called out Bush for “lying” (though in truth it was the Jewish neocon puppet masters and AIPAC lobbyists who did most of the lying behind the scenes). Trump broke the ice and forced the acknowledgement of a truth which, up to that point, was unbroachable. This served as a sort of “come to Jesus” moment for the country and, especially, for the Republican party which had refused to admit that they’d been mistaken or deceived about that supposed “good” and “just” war.
We need to have that same kind of reconciliation with WWII. We need to finally let go of the illusions that it was a “just” war and that the “good guys” won. It wasn’t and they didn’t. Even more perversely, WWII, by serving as a model of the supposed “good war” has been used to justify every subsequent American misadventure – like Iraq. Every trumped-up foe is the “new Hitler” be it Saddam or Gaddafi or Putin.
Unfortunately most have a hard time accepting this. Fox News inebriated gentiles of a certain generation still can’t get their heads around the fact that they’ve been lied to by the Jewish Teevee since childhood. I sometimes get the impression that You’d sooner succeed in convincing the Chief Rabbi of Israel to embrace rational atheism – or even Catholicism – than persuade many of these people of the basic falsehood of their childhood conditioning.
I’m afraid that, as Max Planck observed of scientific progress – historiography tends to only move forward one funeral at a time. But maybe I’m wrong. Maybe evidence can hit someone in the face so hard that he finally wakes up regardless of age or background.
* https://www.unz.com/isteve/the-unprotected-class/
** Hitler: “It was and it is Jews who bring the Negroes into the Rhineland, always with the same secret thought and clear aim of ruining the hated white race by the necessarily resulting bastardization, throwing it down from its cultural and political height, and himself rising to be its master. ”
See: https://sites.pitt.edu/~syd/hit.html
Video Link
If Jews didn’t control the American/Western media then the guys who created this cartoon would be on Comedy Central (actually owned by the Jewish Sumner/Shari Redstone’s CBS) and broadcast into everyone’s home, and not (((South Park))).
And yet our “leaders” still maintain the debunked Israeli babies in ovens hoax. And people still treat those war-mongering leaders with respect, even though they’ve caused the deaths of millions of innocent people over the last 30 years.
It seems like people are idiots, or just don’t care.
As if killing Chinese was a bad thing.
That heinous soulless sadistic sickening specimens that nobody really know what kind of creature they are.
Six days after the Tienanmen Square happenings of June 4, 1989, Bob Hawke, the then-prime minister of Australia, addressed a memorial service at the national parliament in Canberra. With some 500 Chinese students present, a teary Hawke told the crowd that
While human rights groups estimate that hundreds or even thousands of students may have been killed in the crackdown against the pro-democracy protests, China has never provided a death toll.
Hawke, who passed away just weeks before the 30th anniversary of the alleged massacre, made the unilateral decision in 1989 to let the 27,000 Chinese students present in Australia stay. His government would then go on to grant a total of 42,000 permanent visas for Chinese students.
Thank you for this article. Though I was always aware of these lies as my mother was there at the protests at the time in Beijing and witnessed the whole thing. Contrary to what others may believe the entire Chinese government was shut down so many civilians just came out to see what was going on (吃瓜)rather than having any legitimate woes with the government. You do have to remember China was very poor at the time and most people did not have the internet, TVs (shared if any) or even personal radios (shared if any).
However, importantly (no matter what impact this has) I would once again like to thank you for the article as in a way it brings justice to the Chinese people who have been wrongly convicted.
As Putin once said the United States is the “Empire of Lies” and more recently “nobody can beat the west in propaganda” or something similar to that.
For some of the longer-term Unz Review readers there might be of interest a note, comical in its own way, regarding Wikipedia. The Vietnamese poet Linh Dinh was in the past a contributor here, but is no longer. When I have internet-searched his name, the very first entry is Wikipedia’s article. Up until very recently (that is, within a week of now) his Wiki biography stated – from the part that can be read before actually clicking on the article – that he “writes a column for The Unz Review”. That has been changed. It now read he “writes a column for the far-right website The Unz Review”.
It is interesting that besides not even bothering to check on Dinh’s current writing outlet, the Wiki “contributor” simply added “far-right” as a descriptor of TUR, just to make sure that any curious Goodthinker would know to abhor TUR and any other site which might cause cerebral discomfort.
The late Justin Raimondo of Antiwar.com always insisted the “massacre” was a hoax.
I was a student at a very-“elite” New England university during the Vietnam protests. As I have posted before, I can recount, from direct personal observation, that for many students the motive to enhance one’s social status greatly contributed to participating in the protests. I can’t prove it, but I suspect that the same kind of social-status boost existed after Tiananmen. It seems to me that if taking part in a peaceable protest (Vietnam) was a social-liaisons enhancer, then claiming to have risked one’s very life in a putative massacre-level protest would confer even a far greater boost. If this is true, then it mitigates the failings of journalists; after all, if several students told them “People were dropping like flies around me!” the reporters would take it as truth.
Israhell calls itself a jewish state because they claim that as God’s chosen people their god has bequeathed to them the segregated, apartheid land of IsraHELL and that their god has promised them supremacy over all other goyim nations and peoples as their cattle and slaves and their talmud gives them the god given right to murder any goyim that displease them.
Therefore all nations are jewish states. The Jewnited States, the Jewnited Kinkdumb, Zwedumb, Jerkmoney, Prance, Lostralia… are all jewish states.
Any other religion may be denigrated. But the slightest criticism of jews is blasphemous and a capital crime even a pre thought crime.
Therefore, it should come as no surprise that their chosen leaders of all other western jewish states call out their goyim stormtroopers to crush any goyim insurrections.
Trump stein has long been the paragon of goyim Kikesuckers.
However, each month brings forth a new challenger for Kikesucker of the month.
This month I would like to nominate Andy Ogles (Tennessee representative). I didn’t think it was possible to surpass Trumpstein’s prowess in Zionist fellatio. Ogles has fearlessly taken up the challenge to out blow the current oral champion. He was recently asked by a pro Palestinian reprobate goyim reporter if he opposes Pissraeli genocide of Palestinian babies. To which he replied, “Kill em all!”.
Can Trumpstein regain his title?
Stay tuned for the next Title Match for Kikesucker of the month.
According to this report, there appears to be no question that numerous people died unnecessarily, due to violence in Beijing around early June in the context of the earlier week-long protests in and around the large Tiananmen Square. The undisputed outcome of the government’s intervention obviously fits the definition of a massacre. By comparison, the shooting by the fanatical Jewish settler Baruch Goldstein in Hebron thirty years ago in Hebron claimed 29 lives, according to Wikipedia, and up to 26 more people died in the wake of the clashes shortly thereafter. That incident has been widely referred to as a massacre, as are numerous other mass killings by Jews in Palestine during the past century. The point of this essay essentially reduces to sophistic quibbling about the actual details of that mass killing spree in Beijing in 1989, which nonetheless continues to remain murky.
It seems the core issue is that there may not have been a large massacre directly at the big square itself, as the shorthand description would suggest, but nearby. If the event had instead initially been referred to as the Beijing Massacre by the media, then there could be no reason to indulge in such nitpicking 35 years later. The fact that the term Tiananmen Square Massacre has become entrenched is understandable because that is where the protests occurred. The Chinese government obviously bears responsibility for what had occurred and for their subsequent cover up, just as the more recent government bears the blame for their conspicuous lack of transparency and failure to cooperate with international investigators in the wake of the probable viral lab leak in the center of Wuhan during late 2019. No amount of obfuscation will exonerate the Chinese government from its responsibility.
My father was a journo. He, using a telephone and ringing contacts, quickly discovered, through Italian ‘stringers’ who had been working for some news-agency, and had been in Tian An Men Square all night, that there had been NO ‘massacre’ in the Square, where the last mobs of dupes were peacefully dispersed in the early hours. Other witnesses came to attention later eg a Chilean diplomat and his wife, and even a US diplo-thug as Wikileaks revealed, reporting the same. The killings, organised by the CIA, Taiwan ‘intelligence’ and Hong Kong gangsters, occurred around the Square, in the trade-mark violent climax of ‘Colour Revolutions’ organised by the West.
EVERYTHING you read about the PRC in the septic sewer of the Austfailian MSM is either a lie, or a crude appeal to race hatred. I’ve often seen it reported that MSM journalists rate just above real state agents and paedophiles in public disdain, but I really cannot see how they rate so highly.
You’re TOO generous. In my opinion Kristof is simply LYING.
‘Sharri Markson of Rupert Murdoch’s SkyNews quoted former Trump Secretary of State Mike Pompeo who suggested that up to 10,000 Chinese civilians had been killed at the time. The subsequent denial of that brutal massacre by the Chinese government merely demonstrated its total dishonesty, indicating that it could not be trusted on matters related to Covid or anything else’.
That would be the Mike Pompeo who publicly boasted that “we lied, we cheated, we stole”?
Dear Mr Unz;
I have enjoyed reading the articles on your site and listening to your audiocasts. You are almost always consistently fact based and present a lot of valuable information. Thank you for shining such a powerful and piercing spotlight on zionism.
However, I found it disturbing while listening to your latest audiocast about Gaza and America that you casually brought up a falsehood, a dolt-right shibboleth that summons the same zeal and has the same veracity as BLM’s “hands up don’t shoot”.
Every dolt righter from Tucker Carlson to Mike Peinovich to this day maintains that George Floyd died of a drug overdose. Putting aside the absurdity of such a claim that he happened to time an OD with a cop on top of his neck, the facts completely and unequivocally contradict this dolt rightist narrative. It is completely false, the toxicologist testimony proves it in numbers and science.
Floyd did not OD. To make the case that he did, you would have to refute the very convincing and detailed toxicologist testimony, something apparently very few people bothered to view. No one in the dolt right has even tried, they just keep parroting the George Floyd OD’d line. That makes you people of the lie. You should change that.
It may have made sense to use the “hands up don’t shoot” slogan before the witnesses folded under cross examination, but anyone who read the DOJ report on the Micheal Brown incident knows that he was far from an innocent victim.
Before the toxicology report came out it may have made a good narrative to say George Floyd OD’d for dolt right culture warriors, but to keep saying it afterward is symptom of something really sick in the dolt rightoids collectively. I mean there always were lame memes like Pinochet’s helicopters but thanks to Yair Netanyahu and Gavin Mcinness that one has died a long deserved cringe death years ago. It’s time to lose the George Floyd OD meme, it’s symptom of a sickness.
I found it disturbing that the dolt rightoids were so hateful against George Floyd instead of taking the obvious opportunity to strike an exposed flank of Zionism, the Israelised training of police. This knee on neck tactic, imported from Israel via people like Minneaopolis’ police chief, was a hot button issue that got strangely ignored as the rightoids got swept up in a social contagion they can’t seem to wake out of, and the way it sticks around seems inorganic.
This got me to look at the toxicology report, and I guess I’m the only one that bothered. It’s an interesting testimony, well worth a watch. I guarantee you will learn something.
No wonder the rightoids and leftoids can’t talk to each other, you both are the same.
I’ve submitted this truth to two folks so far in this sphere, Lu of Pol News Network PNNAmerica who acknowledged the truth that he didn’t OD, and the editor of dailyrake.ca who after the evidence was presented showed his worth and honour by apparently refusing to look at it and repeated the mantra that Floyd had enough in him to kill an elephant before haughtily declaring the conversation to be over.
So 1 man of integrity out of 2 approached.
Anyway Mr Unz, perhaps you can put a tiny bit of your talent towards rectifying this strange collective aversion to facts. If you expect leftoids to abandon their nonsense, how can you hang onto your own in good conscience?
I’ll post the link to the youtube video in the next comment in case the website censors links.
Toxicologist testifies on drug levels in George Floyd’s system compared to DUI cases
What is the opposite of “recovered memory syndrome”? Memory hole syndrome?
The Chinese hold nothing over the UK, who firebombed German cities, gassed Iraqis, and waged their own genocidal war on Palestine. The US media for over a century has followed the lead of the UK media propaganda organs.
Long before the alleged “holocaust” was even a fake twinkle in Hitler’s eye, Jews and Masonic Zionist English “gentlemen” were assisting the Jews in their genocide of Palestinians.
ISRAEL’S BRUTALITY AGAINST PALESTINIANS DRAWS ON BRITISH RULE
Of course the English were masters at the creation of concentration camps, which they had pioneered 40 years earlier during the Boer Wars.
Palestine was a British “Mandate”, where the British were responsible for the protection of the native population. Instead of protecting the Palestinians, the British murdered them on behalf of the same Judea that had declared war on Germany.
What I find fascinating are the war crimes of the Generals who were put in charge of suppressing the “uprising”.
No real genocide of that era could be complete without the participation of “Monty”.
It is interesting to compare the behaviour of these English “Heroes” to their own treatment of Alfred Jodl
Jodl was “executed” for lesser crimes against Judeo-Communists than Mongomery and Wingate committed against the very people they were supposedly guardians to.
More than 30 years have passed since then. Most Chinese don’t care what it is anymore.
Sometimes I also wondered why foreigners would try to scam me for something that was clearly some PLA killed by gangsters.Some photos of PLA being brutally killed are even too bloody…
https://www.gov.cn/gongbao/shuju/1989/gwyb198909.pdf
But even so, here I would like to thank Mr. unz for dispelling the rumor.
Next Up, Realism! By Karen Kwiatkowski
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2024/05/karen-kwiatkowski/next-up-realism/
Realism seems to have fallen out of favor in the West, but it just might be ready for a brilliant return to the stage.
Realism requires we recognize that the ruling classes and the US government have no durable community and no internal integrity. The state is a pirate gang writ large. It is unified by criminal circumstance, functions by fear and tribute, and is surrounded by enemies who would see it stripped, drawn and quartered at first opportunity. It’s almost enough to make one pity the state, and mourn the ruling classes!
Realism reminds us that desperate, declining states don’t fix themselves. They quickly become dangerous to innocent bystanders, enemies, and its own citizens – and these three categories become indistinguishable just as quickly. It’s happening right now in Ukraine, in Israel, and ready or not, in the United States.
Anyway, our image in their propaganda is almost like the devil…
The problem is that they are actually fooling themselves.
It’s okay if they lie to others, but it’s a big problem if they lie to themselves.
In the end, they will fool themselves into believing that if they use CIA tactics, perhaps… We’re gonna kill ourselves?
HaHa……
Laos has 2 million tons of unexploded ordinance from the Vietnam War –only 1% of these USA bombs removed yet the civilian population suffers from this ordinance.
That wasn’t a “verdict”, counselor. There was nothing to “ignore” because as you should well know, a verdict from the ICJ can takes months to years.
Perhaps you missed this recent article?
Check and mate!
This should reinforce how totally powerless the opposition to Israel and [real] Jews is.
All of you can whine and rant and stomp your feet. The media can cover all the ineffectual pro-Hamas protests at universities to their heart’s content. But no one is paying any attention to your side or your complaints. You have no agency. No POWER.
Even Biden and Blinken can’t do anything. Oh sure, Biden put a hold on some bombs for Israel to try and cater the Palestinian Arabs in swing state of MI but he is getting a LOT of flack from his Jewish donors on that and I hear he is going to back off quickly. Here is the text of one message made public:
I seriously doubt this. It doesn’t change anything. It won’t change anything.
‘This [college] crackdown seems far more severe than anything since the late 1960s and in some respects may have even exceeded that previous peak set more than a half-century ago.’ — Ron Unz
Indeed. An essay exploring why might treat themes such as the Zionist agenda of wealthy Jewish donors to university endowments. A related question, in the political realm, again involves the Jewish Zionist agenda which reportedly accounts for about half of all political contributions. A current attack on Rep Thomas Massie (R-KY) presents a particularly egregious example:
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2024-05-10/massie-mulls-making-aipac-register-foreign-agent
Is the Jewish Lobby going to pollute the 2024 Congressional and presidential elections in the same ham-handed manner as they are doing in Thomas Massie’s primary this month? It’s a large and urgent subject that deserves scrutiny from investigators other than the quisling mainstream media.
With this issue in mind, I’m disappointed that the current essay, after a few promising introductory paragraphs, lurches into the weeds and becomes a long shaggy-dog story about 20th century events in Tiananmen, Rwanda and Belgrade. The author concedes:
WHY then devote thousands of words to these historical topics, as Israeli tanks are rolling into Rafah? It almost seems like a ‘Look! Squirrel!‘ diversion.
‘Discovering the true history of 1940s Europe’ would be immensely pertinent to countering the IHRA working definition of antisemitism referenced in House-passed H.R. 6090. But this intriguing theme is confined to a single sentence. One is reminded of Mark Twain:
>Emory University
UPDATE: 28 arrested at Emory University Pro-Palestine, Stop Cop City protest
Note Elliott, a school official, says clearing the encampment was ‘our primary goal’ — that indicates Emory requested assistance in removing the encampment.
To see what the Emory Wheel had to say, click the more tag.
You can have any view of this you want Unz, but you are occasionally a bit dishonest, or misleading, about what’s happened around these ‘protests’, e.g. here rather than ‘Georgia’s Republican governor ordering his state police to invade’ the Emory campus, it appears Emory officials asked for help — also at Emory, as with other locations, the ‘protests’ were actually encampments, complete with tents etc, which were against university rules and seen by the university as ‘disruptive’ — the ‘protesters’ were typically asked several times to leave, but refused — in a case like that, force is necessary.
That said, I’m no fan of cops, so I also thought the treatment of Frohlin was disgraceful, and more or less said so in a previous comment.
There was a fair bit of state repression 35 years ago where they were forcefully detained and deradicalized them and had their provincial government cleansed of practicing Muslims. I don’t think anyone denies this here.
I do think it’s quite amusing that some of the “camp photos” that American intelligence circulates feature PLA members with uniform rank insignia that haven’t existed since 1992. My father-in-law held one of these defunct staff officer ranks when he a was signals officer during their Vietnamese incursion. My guess is that their up-to-the minute spy imaging is from the same era.
An idea for inciting riots: The CIA and human rights organizations jointly develop networks to release cold shots among the crowd to intensify conflicts between the people and the government and trigger greater rebellion. It is a pity that they succeeded in Ukraine and all over the world, except in China 35 years ago and in the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region 5 years ago.
Because everybody knows Germans and Germania, the centuries-long center of Christendom and Western Civilization, are in reality vicious Huns.
How do they know this? Why, because Judeofascist and Zionist propagandists like Joe “I am a Zionist” Biden drummed it into their zoglodyte heads for decades on end with relentless brainwashing that goes on to this very day… wait a minute… but you just said Zionists are vicious, genocidal monsters and liars.
So doesn’t that mean they were lying about the entire narrative of WW2 and what some call the “Jewish Century” (the world wars and revolutions of the 20th Century)?
Yes it does.
Soulless ZOG has zero ethics, morality, or credibility, and ought to be eviscerated as Moses eviscerated the Hebrew golden calf voodooists, slavers, human scraficers, and perpetually kvetching, agitating and backbiting malcontents (but unfortunately for us, didn’t get them all).
Readers may recall that on October 12th, the IDF walked back its earlier claims of babies being beheaded and roasted in ovens. This, after Biden, Netanyahu, and the entire MSM in the West had repeated the claims 24/7.
The MSM quickly dropped the matter, of course, publishing only short pieces saying “some of the claims have not been independently verified.”
I posted a link to the IDF statement (almost a retraction!) on Reddit and was promptly and permanently banned from the site. Reddit supposedly has an avenue of appeal but no one on their staff would respond to me, or even say what the infraction was. I thought quoting the IDF would have been acceptable. Turns out it depends on what they were saying.
Last week, in a discussion on Quora, I posted the official map of the 1947 U.N. Partition Plan for Palestine. Banned again, and again with no explanation from the management.
Have you ever been to the place ie. Beijing/Tiananmen Square? Look at the video: the tanks are actually LEAVING the Square (seen in the background of the CNN video at 0:10) and the “heroic Tank Man” is trying to stop them from doing it!
On the Holocaust.
Much of the war happened to happen in the historical Pale of Settlement, by Cohencidence. An area that today, Donbas withstanding is peaceful enough. The emergence of the Jew King of Kiev helped bring it back, along with overseer Victoria Nuland. Where Jews mass up in great number War follows.
You have heard it said by shabbos goy that European man’s mistreatment of Jews is a veritable Canary in the Coal Mine, but I say the Jews are the poison fumes in the mine, not the first victim of the toxin.
The Holohoax comes to mind.
Democracy! Can anything more evil be imagined?
Columbia U! You have heard it said that Columbus was an evil coloniser, but I say that it should be renamed King’s College, New York…it’s original name. Perhaps an Equestrian statue of Charles III ought to be put up in the quad.
Minouche, The Glibertarian pharaonic chancellor of the University should be forced to restore the native name of the university and give back the displaced AngloSaxon’s their symbols of culture and dignity.
I am in Zagreb, Croatia and just finished a three-hour “history tour” focusing on the 1990s Balkan wars. The topic is so sensitive that the guide has to occasionally stop and ward off angry Croatian passersby who know enough English to be shocked that anyone dares to talk about such things in public.
Some of the 1990s massacres, including deliberate targeting of civilians in those wars, were denounced and in some cases called “genocide” by Western leaders, even though they were minuscule in comparison to what’s going on now in Gaza.
Interestingly, those Croatians I’ve brought the subject up with seem to almost take it for granted that the six million Holocaust (TM) legend is an exaggeration.
It’s always the ‘far’ right. No such thing as ‘right-wing’ any more.
Bravo Mr. Unz.
But allow me…
911 😀
In the article linked within the quote above the following sentence stands out:
Another bill has been proposed to include those who criticize Jews or Israel on a “No Fly” List. I’ll put the longer text below the more tab, but here is part of the text of the bill proposed.
Another interesting bill is this one, but it seems so ridiculous that it’s probably “fake news”:”College anti-Israel agitators could be sent to Gaza under new House GOP bill”
[Page S3507]
From the Congressional Record Online through the Government Publishing Office [www.gpo.gov]
SA 2001. Mr. MARSHALL (for himself and Mrs. Blackburn) submitted an
amendment intended to be proposed to amendment SA 1911 proposed by Ms.
Cantwell (for herself, Mr. Cruz, Ms. Duckworth, and Mr. Moran) to the
bill H.R. 3935, to amend title 49, United States Code, to reauthorize
and improve the Federal Aviation Administration and other civil
aviation programs, and for other purposes; which was ordered to lie on
the table; as follows:
At the appropriate place, insert the following:
SEC. ___. PLACEMENT ON NO FLY LIST OF INDIVIDUALS BASED ON
DISCIPLINARY ACTIONS RELATING TO SUPPORTING
TERRORISTS.
(a) Definition of Institution of Higher Education.–In this
section, the term “institution of higher education” has the
meaning given the term in section 102 of the Higher Education
Act of 1965 (20 U.S.C. 1002).
(b) Placement on No Fly List.–The Director of the Federal
Bureau of Investigation shall place on the No Fly List
maintained by the Terrorist Screening Center–
(1) any individual who has openly pledged support for, or
espoused allegiance or affiliation to, any organization that
has been designated as a foreign terrorist organization by
the Secretary of State under section 219 of the Immigration
and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1189), including–
(A) the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC);
(B) HAMAS;
(C) the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade (AAMB);
(D) Hizballah;
(E) Palestine Islamic Jihad (PIJ);
(F) the Palestine Liberation Front (PLF);
(G) the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine
(PFLP);
(H) Kata’ib Hizballah (KH);
(I) the Abdallah Azzam Brigades; and
(J) the al-Ashtar Brigades;
(2) any individual who solicits, commands, induces, or
otherwise endeavors to persuade another person to engage in a
crime of violence against a Jewish person or the Jewish
people because of their race or religion;
(3) any student enrolled at an institution of higher
education who has been the subject of a disciplinary action
by the institution of higher education relating to conduct
described in paragraph (1) or (2); and
(4) any professor employed by an institution of higher
education who has been the subject of a disciplinary action
by the institution of higher education relating to conduct
described in paragraph (1) or (2).
Mr. Kristof should be held to account(s) for this. But don’t hold your breath.
One of the markers of cultural decline is the shamelessness of public intellectuals who are permitted not only to prevaricate, but to talk out of both sides of their mouths. They’ve become as bad as the politicians because people accept it.
I sometimes wonder if Frank Church, the former military intelligence officer, wasn’t merely controlled opposition and his commission’s real purpose was to allow cover for Deep State to change clothes, to revamp and burrow itself into the nooks and crannies of the U.S.?
I wonder if the date of the Church Commission coincides with an emergent technology which inaugurated Deep State’s shift to signals intelligence (sigint) as the primary means of domestic control and spying operations?
Substantial contributions are also discouraged by biased moderation (Sailer) or outright trashing, much of it surreptitious.
This is good justification for resistance
Video Link
No one died during the Mao revolution and rule… Tibet and East Turkmenistan are not occupied territories… and chow-chows are pandas!
Satellite telecom.
And by the end of the 1970’s Peace Corps, USAID, Western NGO’s, and international Evangelical Christian and Mormon missions were subsidiaries of U.S. Deep State.
The Wikipedia position on the Mao death count is as follows:
Given the population of China was about 500 million in 1950, one wonders if this estimate fits the intuition of its citizens.
Biden withholding bombs = Netanyahu’s argument, “America is the problem.”
Crooke: “What Hamas wants in NOT the destruction of Jews but the destruction of zionism, the system whereby Jews are privileged above all others. Jews have lived like this, with superior privileges, in many places for many generations . . . Hamas wants a Palestine-Israel with equal rights for ALL.”
BUT, imo the action of Tikvah in USA, announced in a video presentation yesterday, that Jews will “Exodus” from America’s Elite Universities, opens another front in Israel’s war. It is a declaration that Jews WILL retain their privilege and WILL retain their control over USA, from new bases delivered to them by Ron DiSantis in Florida and Larry Arnn in Michigan.
www dot youtube dot com/watch?v=aWlJu7eDgnM
After its initial presentation yesterday at 8:00 pm EST, it had 165 views. 12 hours later it has 63000.
When the history is written, one hopes the historians will recognize that the invaders and subverters were invited in and offered the most comfortable seats and the choicest morsels by craven cockroaches.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWlJu7eDgnM
The Jewel Wasp has been invited to Florida Southern U and to Hillsdale College, where “Jewish civilization” will be taught and celebrated.
You need to watch the Tucker Carlson interview with science writer Kris Newby on how the Lyme Disease and other tick-borne illnesses (and even the proliferation of ticks) was engineered in U.S. biowarfare programs in Colorado, Lyme, CT., and Fort Detrick, MD. Newby, who’s been a science writer for Stanford Medical School and for Silicon Valley companies, started researching Lyme Disease after she and her husband got it. She took a deep dive into the rearch and history and spoke to the top scientists and even a former CIA black ops contractor who had worked on a program to drop infected ticks on sugar cane workers in the 60’s to destroy the Cuban economy. Mind-blowing stuff even if Newby is extremely cautious in drawing any connections.
She wrote a book on the subject.
Many such cases. This guy, for example, remembers seeing CGI planes hit the Twin Towers on 9/11 (and was the first person on TV to diagnose the cause of the collapse of the buildings) as if they were real planes, and remembers how he was part of “mass shooting” at LAX.
https://153news.net/watch_video.php?v=3B7WGUWRXHXM
Wow. You mean they’re going to target Moses, the founder of Judaism, and his annhilationist language against soulless Hebrew golden calf organized criminals, Ponzi schemers, slavers, degenerates and reprobates? And they’re going to do it under the auspices of “protecting the Jews”?
That takes true chutzpah!
But what are they going to do when it’s pointed out that the founder of Judaism was actually an “antisemite” (by their definition of antisemitism)? Arrest anyone who speaks out against the golden calf fiat Ponzi gang in Congress and the Knesset that rammed this “law” down the Anglospheres throat? Are they going to memory hole Moses, as they did Jesus Christ? Are they going to torture him until he confesses to “antisemitism”?
Good Lord, these soulless kikes are ruthless. In fact, one might say, as Jesus did, that they are of their father, the Devil. Or that they are the spawn of the Serpent and the Ape.
In fact, that is what I’ve come to believe: they’re psychopath and sociopath spawn of animals who are guided by Satan — the Synagogue of Satan.
There is a lot to this case beyond your comments. It does not hinge on statistics of Fentanyl levels. The overall story I recall includes these elements:
– Floyd had been freaking out (on drugs) and complaining of breathing difficulties long before he was on the ground. The overall interaction with the police went on for some time. Some have described Floyd’s behavior as “excited delirium”.
– Floyd was being restrained since he was resisting arrest. The submission hold was not preventing his breathing. He worked as a bouncer so there is no reason to expect this to be gentle, even when implemented properly.
– He was alive (barely?) in the ambulance and at the ER. The ER drew his blood as part of his diagnosis.
– He died at the ER of heart failure caused by Fentanyl. This was backed up by evidence of pre-existing heart damage attributed to long drug use.
+++
We can leave for another day the point that Floyd and Chauvin both had worked as bouncers at the same club/restaurant and surely knew each other. There were a lot of strange things about this event but some minor controversy about Fentanyl levels is not one of them.
In fact, I have this simple reasoning for why the CIA often fails in our case.
In fact, the CIA’s deconstructive narrative about us is often tied to Japan, because many CIA agencies are based in Japan, that is to say… Well, the Americans want us to forgive the Japanese Nazis for killing 50 million of us?
In that case, even if they succeed, the demands of most of our people will turn to the reverse slaughter of Japanese and Americans…
And such an elected government would be too extreme…
In fact, people in our country generally don’t care if you are elected or what system… Normally we are pragmatic, and if a candidate promises to kill all of Japan, then we usually vote for him.
But obviously the CIA wouldn’t dare to use it that way, what if we crazies really wanted to give them a whole massacre?
Memory is a weird process. We don’t remember the source event. We remember something more akin to our thoughts from the last time we remembered it; distortions accumulate with conviction. It might be helpful to just forget anything over ten years old as for most practical purposes it’s permanently forgotten.
Kristof may as well never have been there.
If the Jews outlaw criticism of the Jews and Israel with new legislations (see also my comment above), it means that they will rewrite the US constitution and that their “Masks Come Off in American Society”, as Unz wrote in a recent article with that title. When this happens, everyone — even the normies — will finally perceive who rules over them. Voltaire’s Dictum will be out in the open for all to see: “To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.” This Great Unmasking is intentional: the Jews are purposefully unmasking themselves in order to fulfill what was preordained in the protocols:
The Jews are so sure of their overwhelming power that they can now come out of the shadows and exert their “overt rule”, as foreseen in the Protocols. The Antisemitism Awareness Act and the No Fly bill I linked above aim to eviscerate the soul of the US Constitution, the First Amendment, and especially Freedom of Speech. The Jews have been planning this for a long time, as described in the Protocols:
The puppet instructed by the Jews to introduce the Antisemitism Awareness Act, Senator Tim Scott, had this to say about the bill he proposed:
The need to have “clear and concise language” in this new legislation also comes straight out of the Protocols, and it follows straight from the remaking of the legislation (the US Constitution):
Senator Scott’s call to mandate “swift and unwavering condemnation” was also preconceived in the Protocols:
All of the evidence above points to the fact that the Jews will, from now on, exert an overt rule over the United States and everyone will bow down to their supreme will, a fact which was also preordained in the Protocols: “our Supreme Will will be respected and unquestionably fulfilled”.
Genocides typically don’t happen in vacuums. Tend to be caused by existential hatreds that build up over centuries until one side exercises vastly superior violence to protect its’ very existence.
But, the average American has a short memory, perhaps even none at all! No, that doesn’t even quite describe the magnitude. In lieu of having no memory, they have memories of events they don’t even remember, false memories designed to make one feel outrage. Perhaps something you were taught in school, something you couldn’t challenge rhetorically at the time. A narrative of events that had un-impugnable provenance for the simple fact that “that’s what was taught in school.” Ecce scholastica!
In a way that is hard to put your finger on, America feels like Disneyland. It’s truly fitting that Walt was born here, Disney was founded here, and ultimately the grandest amusement park of them all was built here. There’s elderly people that still eat the Disney experience up with a fucking ladel and come back for seconds.
Ah, but is this not the American experience?
Soothing stories for babes. Good guys in white hats, bad guys in black hats. There is something uniquely American about solidarity in remembering the event wrong with everyone else. Prior to the Bill of Rights no one is history had rights – except for the Greeks – who fought Xerxes for them. Most notably at the Battle of Marathon and Leonidas shouted something about Nikes, or he ran from the Hot Gates to Athens in his Nikes. Perhaps, we’re most indebted to John Wayne for freeing us from the Injuns, the bad ones from The Searchers, not the good ones from Dances With Wolves or the Disney movie Pocahontas.
Yep, that’s the way I remember it!
“ I think this demonstrates that over time steady media coverage leads people to remember things that never actually happened. It’s a little like the notorious “recovered memory syndrome.”
Is that an indirect hint at the six million bodies without any forensic evidence. That makes me wonder if the quote attributed to Joseph Goebbels “repeat a lie enough and it becomes the truth” was meant to be a declaration of a Nazi modus operandi or was it a denunciation of the way journalism was conducted in Germany when the major organs of the media were in the hands of the anti National Socialist ideology.
I wish someone could put this within context.
Thanks for a great article that defies the lying narrative of the Western PTB, which many people who are not living within the Western matrix have long suspected but were by and large unable to disprove on factual basis having been driven by a gut feel based on their long experience with Western politics and media.
Will the rolling tragedy in Gaza and police brutality in America at long last open the eyes of Westerners who are confined to the shadows of the cave that there is a world yet to be explored, and stop ignoramuses from stating such drivel as “ this isn’t China, this is America”.
‘Culture of Lies’, ‘Empire of Lies’, these are both useful coinages to describe living in America. Everything we thought we knew turns out to be fake. When one examines all historical events one by one they all turn out to have been spun, turned inside-out or just sheer fabrication. One could be in danger of becoming cynical of it all.
In this article you mentioned the holohoax four times, each time referring to it as the Holocaust, and never noting that it is a preposterous hoax that never happened, e.g. the number of Jews killed in the camps for being Jews is zero (0). A 100% fabrication. Your constant references to it, without noting that it is a hoax, are effectively promoting the hoax. Why do you persist in this idiocy?
WTF kind of idiot are you?
Of course communism wasn’t [[[their]]] ultimate goal but merely a tool.
“This, then, is the devil’s plan, to rule the whole world, and his people are almost ready to deliver it to him… with Zionism as their nationalism, and Communism as their bulldozer to eliminate all other nationalisms.” —Father Andrew O’Brien (d. 2008, Dalgan, Ireland)
As someone who lives between the East and West, I cannot agree more.
If they only realised how propagandized they are, they would weep.
Those two statements don’t really jibe. If the soldiers who cleared out Tiananmen Square were wielding truncheons, it stands to reason that at least some of the protestors were injured.
I have no problem believing that the reports of a massacre were false and even deliberately planted, given how routinely governments lie.
What is curious is why western governments should lie in a way as to make their own people think that the Chinese government is brutal and oppressive*, and then spent the next two decades openly cosying up to that same regime (helping it develop missile technology for example), off-shoring production to China, and helping to build the Chinese economy into what it is today. Not long after 1989, western governments mostly shut up about China, and all we heard were laudatory stories of the Chinese economic miracle, all while they (those western governments) were permitting their own countries technology and industrial base to be relocated there.
*For the record, the Chinese government is brutal and oppressive, whether a Tiananmen Square massacre happened or not.
Another case is you yourself, who watches two videos of two completely different people and thinks they are the same person because you were told they are.
Those are two completely different men. They don’t even look alike or sound alike.
Aye. And nothing is ever described as “far left” or even just as “left-wing”.
This is what people do when they want to control the narrative. It has nothing to do with the accuracy or validity of a statement. The only thing that matters is the ability of a message to influence those who hear it.
By attaching the moniker “far-right” to the wiki page of TUR, it creates an adversary in the minds of people. They see the far-right as an enemy, therefore they would never investigate the pages of TUR. Consequently, the narrative is protected, and the truthfulness of the moniker has zero bearing.
The Tiananman Square “massacre” is another example of this information warfare. An adversary is created, the denier of the massacre. People receive the message that the massacre happened, so they view people who deny it as conspiracy-theorists or pro-China advocates. The narrative is, then, protected, because people won’t look into the facts of Tiananman Square, dismissing other explanations as the work of an enemy.
Kristof, the NY Times reporter cited by Ron Unz in this article and in comment #2, demonstrates the effect of this information warfare. Originally, he asserted that no massacre took place, but now he is saying that it happened. It’s not that the facts changed and new evidence came out. Rather, the people holding the opposing view were smeared, and Kristof did not want to be associated with those people, so he supports the narrative of the side of which he is part.
They do the same thing all the time. Labeling someone as “anti-vax”, for instance, allows people to disregard an entire argument, without considering its validity, because “those people are not like me”
Very simply – we live in a world where deception is not the exception, it is DaRule. Also, it is part and parcel of an ongoing war since the dawn of man – as clearly narrated from Genesis to Revelation – all conducted by DaSynagogue of Satan – for whom the essential means is propaganda – https://crushlimbraw.blogspot.com/2022/10/propaganda-lifeblood-of-dasynagogue-of.html?m=0 – and not surprisingly, churchianity has adopted and promoted its agenda.
All these assertions are provable by word searching DaLimbraw Library, the source of the above link.
Lots to read – prove me wrong!
And what of MI5 in Shanghai?
Did the Sassoons, pull up stakes and leave?
What about the Rothschilds and Sidney Rittenberg and Associates?
Hate to break it to you, we’re all occupied. Ever heard of Area 51?
Feel alot of Don’t Tread On Me μολὼν λαβέ Democracy from this interaction?
This is a Globalist world, full of black budgets, Councils of Foreign Relations and Aspen Institutes held at World Economic Forums in Davos. No one in my country is elected either. Hell, I’ve had to cancel my voter registration twice now because I was automatically re-registered because I got a drivers’ license. I don’t need one, I’m not legally obligated to have one, but cops don’t care about the law. The idea of a grand jury issuing an indictment and a wise and judicious constable solemnly taking it to a free man after being examined by a meticulous magistrate for just cause is laughable. Law is carried out by a morbidly obese 87 I.Q. psychopath with a chip on his shoulder. He doesn’t care if he’s wrong and you expose his complete ignorance of the law.
“The right of the Citizen to travel upon the public highways and to transport his property thereon, in the ordinary course of life and business, is a common right which he has under the right to enjoy life and liberty, to acquire and possess property, and to pursue happiness and safety. It includes the right, in so doing, to use the ordinary and usual conveyances of the day, and under the existing modes of travel, includes the right to drive a horse drawn carriage or wagon thereon or to operate an automobile thereon, for the usual and ordinary purpose of life and business.”
Thompson v. Smith, 154 SE 579, 11 American Jurisprudence, Constitutional Law, section 329, page 1135
The fact of the matter is, our respective governments feel entitled to slaughter us based on the authority of superior violence. Not law, not philosophy, force.
“But how is this legal plunder to be identified? Quite simply. See if the law takes from some persons what belongs to them and gives it to other persons to whom it does not belong. See if the law benefits one citizen at the expense of another by doing what the citizen himself cannot do without committing a crime.” ~ Frederic Bastiat
UNRELENTING, NOT “unrelating’ (see above).
Editing.
This is quite interesting. Here is what the wiki article says:
“Dating habits”. ROFL. So the Chinese don’t like mudsharks any more than Europeans do. Rape and physical abuse are likely frowned upon even more there than in the US, Canada, UK and Europe.
JSTOR also had a blurb I found interesting:
The US imported the negro elite from Africa and then the CIA whored out the daughters of their agents (Ann Dunham) who then spawned the future mulatto globohomo president who happened to also be an alien.
Meanwhile, the Chinese students were able to rebel against their government and succeeded in getting the feral negroes thrown out. Kudos to China.
Thanks. I hadn’t seen the interview or heard of Newby, but there had been a previous 2005 book making a very strong case that Lyme disease was an accidentally-leaked American biological weapon and I’ve briefly discussed it in a 2021 article:
https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-waging-biological-warfare/
I don’t think there’s any conflict.
The Chinese troops who entered Tiananmen Square had been equipped with clubs and other anti-riot gear and were prepared to use it if necessary to finally clear out the remaining protesters. But the protesters all decided to leave peacefully, so apparently no violence occurred and no protesters were injured.
I am deeply skeptical of claims “it was all Taiwanese intelligence.” Taiwan is so small and has a pathetic budget for the military and foreign affairs. The army still uses the M-48 tank, for Pete’s sake, which was last seen in U.S. service during the Korean War. Yet I’m supposed to believe they are secretly behind every embarrassing international event that has befallen the PRC? It’s just too convenient. It’s another reason I can’t see them invading, since they would have to invent another bogeyman.
And HK gangsters? Come on, man. Those guys are and always have been small potatoes. If the PLA really got roughed up by them that is truly embarrassing.
There was similar talk about the massacres against the Chinese minority in Indonesia – that Taiwan (ROC) intelligence was behind it, etc. Were they? A lot of those Indonesian Chinese ended up in Taiwan. It isn’t like Taiwan is an empty island with tons of space to put up new immigrants.
I can believe that no massacre occurred at the square, and that foreign journalists deliberately fabricated large parts out of the story out of a lack of access to facts and also in order to make the communists look bad. But obviously there were violent clashes in Beijing that night – not even the Chinese government denies that. Having to send in tanks and APCs to restore order in your own capital is an extreme measure. If this were to happen in Washington, DC, for example, it would not really matter that much whether or not people were killed “on the steps of the Lincoln memorial, turning the reflecting pool red” as an imaginary Xinhua article might report were the situations reversed.
China is wrongly accused of a lot of things in the western media but they still make mistakes, too.
Mr. Unz- With this article, I am now forever in your debt. While my understanding of purported ‘Jewish suffering’ in WWII was illumined some time ago, the other data points in this article proven to be spurious as well, all of this has now made me realize that the “American Empire” is far, far, FAR more corrupt than I ever could have realized.
Thank you… if such words can convey the utter sense of betrayal, and a now visceral inability to ever salute the Stars and Stripes, or Say the Pledge again, as long as I live, my thanks.
Misericordie, Domine.
Unlike the faithful of other religions, American and Chinese Mormons have not been permitted to worship together in China since 1989, so I strongly suspect they were heavily involved in whatever happened.
Accepting the reality and constraints of time and place, or….Israel exists now, is an established country and we cannot crawl in our Dr. Who Time Machine Phone Booth to May 14, 1948 –
what would have been an acceptable and responsible response by Israel against Hamas to the verified events of October 7, 2023?
Because when you start peeling that onion, you are left with the unsettling conclusion, even from such vaulted and esteemed mind as our Gracious Host, Mr. Unz, that Israel is the only country in the known World that is supposed holdback and send Warning Notices of Hearing before they engage in war? Schedule a deposition of Ismail Haniyeh? Pass out helmet and flak vests to the residents of Gaza before they volly a bomb over?
Any armed conflict has oceans of depravity, rotten hypocrisy, hardcore heartbreak and abject misery. This is why war is so repellent. Your entire sense of home is shattered. Where you slept becomes the playground of strangers. Imagine all your belongings thrown to the wind.
The atrocities of Viet Nam make one feel disconnected from their own self…to consider what was done to Cambodia for absolutely nothing?
War is insane.
So, why are the Israelis held to a standard of otherworldly nobility? Surely, it has never existed on the face of this earth? This call to be a Gentleman Courtly Lover when you are – truthfully you must admit – fighting for your life???
And therefore, what is actually being said is:
Jews have no right to exist.
I was also unaware of these protests. Good tidbit by Unz. Well, as the acronym goes…
Niggers
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Here ya go, boys and girls, The Professoriate at Columbia all set to go out and collect the trash on the East River Drive. Hey, just like keffiyehs scarves it’s a fashiont statement!!
See below.
You know, it’s bad Professor Frohlin was manhandled by the police, but on the other hand what is an econ professor doing stepping in to prevent the eviction process. You have PhD for heaven’s sake.
Then again, you ARE a college professor and think the idea of a bunch of students sucked into a “demonstration” astroturfed by the Tides Foundation is just the shits, and is somehow going to “change the world” when all it does is set up a feces ridden tented gathering you’d expect from a bunch of fentanyl addicted homeless people.
But yeah, Ron old boy, it’s JUST LIKE Tiananmen Square.
It would be sad if it weren’t such as farce.
https://media.cnn.com/api/v1/images/stellar/prod/gettyimages-2150229123.jpg?q=w_1110,c_fill/f_webp
All Western goyim satrapy nations have gone way beyond just being ZOG states they have become full blown jewish states. The goyim slaves are trying to outdo the jew. They worship the jew more than Christ.
Seeing the teacher being brought down did not make me think of China. It made me think of the insane hypocrisy and Jewish tyranny of our ZOG when people protest AGAINST Jewish interests (Palestine/Charlottesville/J6) vs. ZOG action when people support Jewish interests (BLM/ANTIFA/George Floyd). Once their genocide of Palestine is complete Americans will have all the evidence they need to justify removing JEWISH control from the MAJORITY of our lying media and government or removing politicians that support them.
Thank you for the reply.
The Chinese PhDs and doctoral candidates in Pittsburgh always handled the questions about Tiananmen Square with patience and aplomb.
Remember notorious jewish “holocaust™ survivor” Eli Wiesel?
He claimed that when it comes to the jewish “holocaust™”“some things are true that never occurred and some things that occurred are not true.”
When it comes to AI (artificial intelligence) the jews fear the technology being used to dissect the so-called jewish “holocaust™”. As AI itself is dispassionate and (is not supposed to) display any sort of biases with nothing being off-limits, the so-called jewish “holocaust™” is an ideal subject for AI to analyze.
After AI analyzes the jewish “holocaust™”, this massive “fraud of the 20th century” will finally be dispatched to the “ashbin of history”.
The jewish “holocaust™” should be used as a prime example of the abuse of power and that of the effectiveness of propaganda and media control…
It is my humble opinion that the internet has already contributed to the eventual demise of the belief system supporting the jewish “holocaust™”.
Cry me a river.
israel has been abusing the rest of the world even before its creation.
“Poor little israel” has been acting with impunity even before it was created.
“Poor little israel” subscribes to NO international agreements on the conduct of war and conflict or that of nuclear weapons.
Normally, a country acting in its own interests doesn’t have a problem with other countries or international agreements, but israel is the sole exception.
From the bombing of the King David hotel to the Lavon affair to the attack of the USS Liberty, israel has abused the good will and trust of other countries, especially of its largest benefactor, the USA.
That being said, “poor little israel” has no problem murdering its own citizens in order to achieve a political objective. Not only October 7, but the 1968 Munich Olympics massacre was a mossad-led “false flag” operation in which israeli citizens were killed by their own people.
israel itself is an ongoing criminal enterprise and is merely an extension of the jewish criminal gangs that existed in the 1920s and 1930s in the USA and elsewhere.
The finest idiots at the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS)
https://www.csis.org/about/people/experts
The idiot trustees and counselors (mostly of geriatric/demented variety) https://www.csis.org/about/people/board-trustees-counselors
The naked warmongering king CSIS:
In other words, Jew media invented the Holocaust, which never happened, and which is in fact solely the product of the demented minds and souls of twisted little Jew hobgoblins who couldn’t help themselves creating fictional sagas of ugliness and depravity as they have always done since ancient times, because it is all they know and are capable of knowing, which ugliness and depravity is all they will ever create in this world that they share with less truth-and-beauty-challenged strains of “humanity” — setting aside that it is arguable whether Jews are human or not.
https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/film/ustasa-forces-round-up-villagers
Ustasa forces round up villagers
The Ustase were pro-German Croatian fascists. After the Axis invasion and partition of Yugoslavia in April 1941, the Germans established a dependent Croatian state.
Led by Ante Pavelic, the Croatian regime began a genocidal campaign against minority groups and killed hundreds of thousands of Serbs and tens of thousands of Jews in Croatia.
This possibly staged Ustase footage shows Ustase paramilitary forces rounding up villagers in rural Croatia. In May 1945, Yugoslav partisans under Marshal Tito–with Soviet support–overturned the Croatian regime.
thanks for comprehensive debunking. well sourced. bookmarked.
The pattern was set at the Kangaroo Court in Nuremberg. These “Western” show trials are all driven by the media, which is owned/controlled by the people really running the show. I first learned about the myth from the late Jude Wanniske’s Memo On The Margin http://www.polyconomics.com/memos/mm-980915.htm He had others such as Saddam didn’t gas his own people.
The irony about Tiananmen Square is that the continued bleating of the myth masked the story of the plaque change at Auschwitz in 1990 https://archive.org/details/plaques-changed-at-auschwitz-birkenau/mode/2up?view=theater The “4 million Jews” was changed to 1.1 million of whom approximately 90% were Jews (still inflated according to camp records released Soviet archives) yet the mystical “6 million” remains. Those in control need these myths to continue, in order to manipulate political narratives.
Jewish crook.
Israel was up and running when Zeev Jabotinsky had Chaim Arlosoroff assassinated because he managed to organize the migration of 50,000 Jews out of NatSoc Germany. It predates Ww2 and Jewry caused ww2. The British were looking out for the Schlomo sin Poland when Chamberlain declared war on Germany.
There certainly is a dizzyingly vast, physically and spiritually undifferentiated horde of effectively billions of pan-faced Chinamen, the existence of which is admittedly disturbing through the lens of group competition and unfeeling Darwinian selection forces bearing down on the White race, or simply to anyone who values beauty and high culture over whatever facsimile of same is likely to be created by a globally dominant surfeit of overproduced bugmen, but the only group that is actually deserving of your “soulless, sadistic” label is the Jews whose end is to leverage cultural subversion to devalue, deracinate, or eventually destroy not only the White race, but the Chinaman as well, insofar as either threatens to keep the sainted and superior Jew from occupying his throne as ruler of the lesser races.
They are going to have to make a choice really really soon between an AI that works at all and an AI that honors their narrative.
AI taking all our jobs ain’t gonna happen is the way to bet even if Sam Altman was the star at WEF Davos this year.
“As much as I despise the Chinese Communists…”
The Communist Party of China has never done anything to you or anyone you know. You should know by now that all the so-called “crimes” or “atrocities” committed by the CPC are lies, fabrications and projections from the Zionist West just like this “Tiananmen Square Massacre” hoax”
They are actually the last line of defense against a Talmudic-controlled world
I absolutely refuse to believe that story wasn’t written by a Hollywood aspirant Jew. It’s got all the hallmarks and we’ve been consuming identical Jew-manifested carnage porn for millennia now.
It’s was only a few decades ago when Global Censorship Media Maggots controlled the narrative by limiting facts from fiction.
Thanks to the world wide internet dot com, we are able to sift through the noise and bs and find a few droppings of truth before they disappear into the zone of avoidance or as I now call it “the black void”.
Who was it that said, “the truth will set you free”?
Mr. Unz,
Another great piece. It’s really getting to the point whereby one has to almost assume, that every thing we are told, especially the “big stuff”, is all, always, lies!
I’ve always had my doubts about the plight of the Chinese Uyghurs too. First of all, it takes a lot of sand for the US government, to suddenly be so concerned with the mistreatment of Muslims!
But secondly, anytime a government, especially our government, tells me something “bad” about one of their adversaries, I assume it’s just war propaganda BS.
Thanks for all you do, and your great articles and fantastic site!
Great post, and spot on!
It’s so hard to wake people up, and trying to start with “in WWII, we were on the bad team”, is clearly a bridge too far for 99%.
“Lincoln was a traitor” also meets with a quick rebuff, although I think less than the WWII speech.
Jimmy Dore often says “The US, is the world’s terrorists”, and initially, it put me off, but with every single bit of added info, revised history, or unwelcomed counter-narrative revelation, I have to say that he is right!
Just as Hitler was…
There is absolutely no good purpose for all of these Islamic violence.
So-called “Israel-Palestine” issue can be resolved in less than a day if Muslims start to evacuate peacefully!
All that Muslims could do is to relocate themselves to other Muslim-majority countries and leave Israelis in their ancient homeland undisturbed.
Ron Keeva Unz does not understand many simple realities of life.
Israel is a very tiny country, geographically, as it takes 15 minutes or less to fly over the ancient Jewish homeland.
So, please leave Jews alone in their homeland and do not create totally avoidable Islamic mayhem time after time, since world’s Jewry need a place to call “Home”.
There are so many countries on earth that are top-to-bottom Islamic, which can very easily absorb a few million Muslims from so-called “Palestine” and leave world’s Jews safe and harmless in their forefathers’ land(s).
In my humble opinion, Israelis should continue the ongoing de-Islamization process in their ancient homeland until no Muslim on earth dares to cause or create another October 7.
“Jews have no right to exist.”
Under two circumstances:
— as the owners of the “Jewish State”
— as organized jewry constituted as state within a state in the countries that gave them shelter and which they undermine and destroy.
But why would the entire world allow them to flourish…unchecked?
For this would speak to a terrible conclusion: That Jews, are indeed – superior.
For by hook or crook, through flattery, devious cunnings or sheer brain power- they are dominating the entire West.
How?
It is possible the negative press was amplified by the Chinese leadership itself, they wanted to insulate themselves from the west and reverse liberalization temporarily, when the USSR was going through transition.
Your remarks hardly deserve the qualifications you provided, the claim you’re making is obviously true from a surface-level observation of the demographics, tone and overall quality of the uni protests, and additionally from a first-principles understanding of human social reality. These people are the picture of vapid, empty posturing. When what they say miraculously aligns with universal law and its resultant universal moral order, it’s a coincidence. The American educated class are the soulless dregs at the bottom of the human charnel pit. and they are selected for by a system of progressive filtering in the US and international cosmopolitan education culture which selects primarily for social compliance and status striving. These people are literally tools and the uni protests are prototype/beta testing grounds for future planned, confected techno-fascist social control movements.
People seriously misunderestimate the majestic power of the MIGHTY WURLITZER (aka Gaslight Media, Lie-Machine, Lügenpresse, Ministry of Truth, etc.). Most folks take what comes out of the beast as gospel truth. Not just in the Empire of Lies, but even in places on the fringes of the imperium.
One the whole Gaza mess, it looks like some voices even in Israel are starting to uncover oddities about the event that haven’t been broadcast by the MW. For those who don’t want to deal with Haaretz’s paywall, here’s a decent summary of the article. Here’s the takeaway:
And so the MIGHTY WURLITZER will blare on with its unceasing river of lies, which the legion of morons will drink faster than the hapless residents of Jonestown guzzled the grape Flavor-Aid offered by the Rev. Jones. The default position of anyone who is not part of the machine, gaslit or insane is to realize that the old Soviet proverb about Pravda and Izvestia (There is no news in the truth and no truth in the news) holds even moreso for anything spewed out of the many orafices of the MW. It’s a lie-machine after all, just as it was always designed to be.
The so-called “Tiananmen Square Massacre” never happened. It was Western propaganda and remains so today. In truth, only soldiers were killed by the protesters, a.k.a. terrorists. Many of the protesting terrorists were later whisked out of the country by the CIA and take to Western Capitals who turned them into paid anti-China”decedents”.
You are as savage coward as those migrant Jews killing unarmed women and children. Never in the history of mankind has a group of mostly East European Jews gone so quickly from being allegedly ‘victims’ to exceptional child murderers determined to exterminate the Palestinians under the pretext of recreating their homeland (‘Israel’), that never existed in the first place. Jews follow and respect no convention, no treaty, no resolution; lie about everything and nothing; do whatever they please; execute Palestinians women and children for no apparent legal reasons; practice torture, racism, slavery, commit terrorism and genocide; kill babies, pregnant women, and the elderly, rape young girls, brake the bones of kids with an obvious pleasure, in front of the whole world; start wars in neighbouring countries to occupy more land; commit false-flag terrorism; accumulate nuclear bombs which they threaten to use against the whole world if their criminal Zionist project fails. What sort of bloodthirsty savages are Jews? By human animals standard, Jews are monstrous savages.
China supposedly massacred hundreds, if not thousands, of students at Tiananmen Square, in the presence of a multitude of Western journalists, and yet the defining image of the event is of a lone man blocking a column of tanks, which, in a rational analysis, shows not bloodthirsty cruelty but amazing forbearance by Chinese government forces. Where is the footage of People’s Liberation Army tanks running over protesters or machine-gunning them?
Quite aside from all that, we have learned through experience that whenever there is a consensus among America’s political and media elites, the truth is quite different from what the elites purport it to be. That is the case regarding COVID and the “safe and effective” sera for it; that is the case regarding the legitimacy and goodness of the State of Israel; and that is very likely the case regarding the events at Tiananmen Square in 1989. In addition, that is the case regarding many events and conjunctures falling outside the scope of this post. The guiding principle can be thus summed up: You will never go too wrong by believing the opposite of what the two major parties and the mainstream media say.
Do you have even a single item of evidence that supports the claim that anyone currently living in Israel is an actual descendent of Biblical Hebrews? As far as I know, there isn’t any significant reason to believe such claims, it’s just the headcanon (delusional preferred narrative) of people who ascribe to Jewism in modern times.
35 years ago, China has long passed the ideological struggle era under Mao. 35 years ago China has embarked onto an open door modernization movement under Deng Xiaoping at least 10 years already, Ideological struggle was a passe then.
Where have you been “Supply and Demand”? Hiding in the Sinophobia dark cave studying anti-China hatred literature manufactured by the CIA, MSM and all western academia from cradle to grave like the vast majority of the Americans?
Besides ideological struggles under Mao only involves Han, not minorities like Uyghur, Tibetia, etc. The riots in Xinjiang and Tibet were staged by CIA and NED trained, armed and funded proxies and terrorists.
The West is already fallen. It is not dying. It died. It has been dead. It is no longer in Untergang, it has been umgebrachtt.
I seem to recall there was a man who tried to save the world, but in the end he shot himself.
The Jew was in place to inherit the corpse. I do not think theirs will be an everlasting generation.
Others are slower to the trough but within 1-2 generations, South Asians have claimed the future of American corporations and attained the peak of political leadership in Britain and Ireland.
Indians rank first in income per household in the US and top income and wealth charts in Britain. They cannot be blamed for considering themselves heirs apparent to what remains of Anglo-America. Objectively, they are. The Aryan comes to rule the savage.
Not to be outdone, the followers of Mohammed work doggedly to advance their cause also. In 2023, Mohammed was the top boy’s name in Hamburg, in Berlin, and in the state of Schleswig Holstein. London is now 36.8% White British.
The Chinese mercifully express their racism through isolation and a desire for home rule. If the nation is dissolved by force, and the population displaced, then the Chinese will also enter the race.
All in all, I recommend more focus on positive action and less focus on the Jews. They didn’t make you watch their media. They didn’t make you drink their liquor. They didn’t make you abandon God. And they cannot make you do any of these things now.
https://www.indiatvnews.com/business/news/indian-origin-ceos-run-global-corporate-giants-with-over-5-trillion-revenue-surpassing-india-s-gdp-microsoft-google-youtube-ibm-cognizant-starbucks-2023-06-02-873915
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/personalandhouseholdfinances/incomeandwealth/articles/householdwealthbyethnicitygreatbritain/april2016tomarch2018 (Figure 5)
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/who-has-the-highest-and-lowest-household-incomes/
https://www.hindustantimes.com/business/why-indians-are-the-highest-earning-community-in-us-harsh-goenka-explains-101673757990980.html
https://gfds.de/ausfuehrliche-auswertung-vornamen-2023/
https://www.welt.de/vermischtes/weltgeschehen/article251402088/Sophia-und-Noah-beliebteste-Babynamen-Mohammed-in-Hamburg-und-Berlin-vorn.html
https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/uk-population-by-ethnicity/national-and-regional-populations/regional-ethnic-diversity/latest/
How many Rheinlandbastard Mischlingers are now living comfortably in the USA and all other formerly white nations? There is no going back from what has happened. It’s all over, that ooga-booga sound you’re hearing is the death-rattle of the human race – all because the lowest among our race couldn’t help themselves indulging in acts of bestiality.
“…both the Trump Administration and the Biden Administration had together declared that the Chinese government was guilty of committing “genocide” against its Uighur minority of Xinjiang Province despite failing to provide any evidence that significant numbers of Uighurs had been harmed let alone killed. Our leading media organs enthusiastically endorsed and promoted that story, which merely seems to be a ridiculous propaganda-hoax.”
for something which merely seems to be a “ridiculous propaganda hoax”, Chinese genocide against its Uyghur minority has received wide credence, having been declared by more than just “our leading media” – which in itself need not always be a cause for blanket rejection:
(https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/08/1125932)
(https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/01/31/china-religious-regulations-tighten-uyghurs)
…although there do appear to be some suspicious bedfellows in these accusations:
(https://www.ushmm.org/genocide-prevention/blog/hearing-testimony-the-chinese-communist-partys-ongoing-uyghur-genocide)
(https://www.axios.com/2024/04/22/uyghur-persecution-holocaust-elie-wiesel-son)
But sometimes maybe it’s better to choose not to choose:
(https://dawnmena.org/lessons-on-genocide-from-xinjiang-and-gaza/)
https://dawnmena.org/lessons-on-genocide-from-xinjiang-and-gaza/
Tens of thousands of Gazans dead….WOO WOO! What about the 400,000 civilians killed in the Iran/Iraq “war of the cities.” What was that? Collateral damage?
Why can’t the Jews be relocated back to Europe?
I disagree; because, I am neither a “Savage” nor a “Coward”.
If I were a “Savage”, I must have been a Muslim, which I am not.
If I were a “Coward”, I must have avoided commenting about things on this website that most commenters find unreadable.
First of all, European Jewish “Victimhood” is based on a gigantic lie known as “Holocaust”, which is perpetuated by White Christians and White Christians are the ones sending boatloads of money and weapons to the Jewish State of Israel.
That is the fact and that is the reality.
I find the following records from genocidal Islamic history; so, please read.
CHILDREN OF THE POLYTHEISTS
In JihAd, all arms-bearing males of the enemy are killed, but Muhammad the Arabian “disapproved of the killing of women and children” (4319). Women and children are generally taken prisoners and then enslaved or sold or released after ransom is exacted. But if they are killed, no song need be made about it. Sa’b b. JassAma said to Muhammad the Arabian: “Messenger of Allah, we kill the children of polytheists during the night raids. He [Muhammad the Arabian] replied: They are from them” (4323).
You Muslim bastard do not know or acknowledge any history beyond past 1400 years.
FYI: Our earth is more than 4.5 billion years old.
Jews gave Gaza to Muslims.
Jews followed Oslo Accord.
Jews did abide by every treaty imposed upon them; but, Muslims broke any or all accords whenever Muslims got chance to kill non-believers of Islam’s pedophile prophet.
Islam’s pedophile prophet used to say that, “War is deceit.”
Islam’s pedophile prophet used to say that, “Terrorism made me victorious.”
Here I need to remind my readers that I am not a Jew and my parents were not of Jewish faith.
Killing enemy-combatants is not a crime.
Muslims have declared war on Israel and Israelis are killing Muslims in self-defense, because Jewish State of Israel has rights to self-defense.
When Israeli govt. tells Muslims to evacuate, (that proves that) there is NO genocide in Gaza.
IF Israeli govt. DID NOT tell Muslims to evacuate before bombing, that will be deemed genocide.
By all accounts, from what I have heard from some influential people in a very big city where I live, Israeli govt. routinely gives out early notification(s) for Muslims to evacuate.
No.
Israelis do not bomb the whole world.
Israeli govt. does not have any sinister project for non-believers of Judaism, because our world probably has less than 50 million Jews!
However, 2 billion world’s Muslims are extreme and real threat to all non-believers of Islam.
Surprising? Why these protests? Guess🤔😏
So this “Tiananmen Square Massacre” just happened out of the blue…?
Nothing happened before…?
No crisply burned Chinese police officers…?
Oh, what fun it is to re-write history.
Ken State, anyone…?
Today’s campuses, anyone…?
https://rumble.com/v4n9nmk-israels-second-911-how-zionism-conquered-jfk-america-and-palestine.html
Apparently China is today still a popular destination for African college students studying abroad. However, Serbia does not host many African students. That South-Central European country can’t really relate to China regarding that issue, in contrast to being attacked by the United States.
https://carnegieendowment.org/posts/2023/07/what-are-the-top-global-destinations-for-higher-education-for-african-students?lang=en
For anyone without or who doesn’t want a NYT account or subscription, you can read the Kristof piece here:
The Case for Hope
For some reason, Unz omitted the most important sentence in the passage he cites: ‘You never forget seeing soldiers use weapons of war to massacre unarmed citizens; I still have my notebook from that night, stained with the sweat of fear.’
Anyway, overall the piece is an overwrought childish mess — Kristof laments the state of the US as a nation, giving various stats about that, then says:
Who’s ‘we’, Kristof? — racially, the US is completely different compared to the 1960s — that nation, white America, was demographically annihilated by non-white immigration — it simply does not exist today — there is no ‘we’ anymore.
In his radio talks, William Luther Pierce used to address this phenomenon: how the media whines about social problems in America, but never addresses what Pierce saw as the root cause: the loss of racial homogeneity, and the attendant feeling of belonging to a local and national community that was like an extended family, and a sense of responsibility toward that larger community — the loss of racial homogeneity and an emphasis on individualism means people feel little connection to wider society — this has led to widespread insecurity and alienation.
The simple truth is that racial diversity means less commonality of interests — this makes literally every problem much more difficult, if not impossible, to solve.
A very good observation: this story of the lone man blocking the tank’s path has always been presented to us as taking place IN Tiananmen Square, whereas the scene actually takes place on the avenue leading away from it. The tanks are not in the square, but leaving it.
Check a few dictionaries. “MASSACRE” means killing a number of usually helpless or unresisting human beings under circumstances of atrocity or cruelty. That’s Webster. Collins says “a large number of people at the same time”. Fine examples are the Odessa massacre of 2014 and the current “israeli” slaughter of Palestinians.
His death was tragic. But the video tells us precious little. It was the MSM headlines and captions to the video that insisted beyond all rational discussion the death was certainly a murder by a racist police officer. MSM decided to weaponize this death to fuel division, probably to make Trump look bad. That is the rotten whale carcass of the whole affair that stinks today as much as it did in 2020.
Perhaps that is why I read the autopsy report and watch the toxicology discussion you share and still believe there is reasonable doubt. Floyd may have died of an overdose. After all, lower blood concentrations of fentanyl have led to fatal overdose reactions.
p.s. The angry crowd at the scene should also be asked to reflect on their possible role in the death of George Floyd. Their role? Correct. By crowding in on the police it certainly increased tensions. Officer Chauvin may have pinched down more — perhaps excessively but not with the intention to kill — because of the added threat of the crowd.
Since you reference Hitler, here’s something you ought to know about him:
Bis fünf nach zwölf – Adolf Hitler und das 3. Reich
He didn’t give up — he fought until the bitter end for what he believed was worth fighting for.
Whites today have no choice — the goal is, and regardless of circumstances must remain, raising both the individual and the collective racial consciousness of Whites, showing them that otherwise they face a menacing future as atomized minorities in their own lands — there is no alternative, because the future of Whites is definitely worth fighting for.
So you think about that the next time you’re about to spread doom and gloom.
Arschloch.
Serious question: does anybody think it’s a good idea for the USA to depend on China to keep us supplied for anything important?
Below the “more” tab, I’ll put ChatGPT 4.0 one-paragraph summaries of the events Unz discusses in his article above. If you read the summaries, you will see that, in each case, the AI chatbot reproduces the standard narrative. Here is just a taste of those summaries:
If you try to push back, ChatGPT refutes your arguments, saying they are controversial and are contrary to historical consensus. This is why it will be important to have options to train the AI with inputs such as Unz articles. If we could make an UnzAI it would be a lot more helpful than the current versions of AIs out there.
Tiananmen: In June 1989, the Tiananmen Square protests in Beijing, China, culminated in a tragic event known as the Tiananmen Square Massacre. What began as a student-led demonstration advocating for political reform and greater freedoms quickly grew into a large-scale protest attracting a diverse group of participants. The Chinese government declared martial law and, on June 3rd and 4th, sent the military to forcibly clear the square, using tanks and infantry to disperse the crowds. The crackdown resulted in a still-undisclosed number of deaths, with estimates ranging widely but believed to be in the thousands. The incident drew international condemnation and remains a heavily censored topic within China.
Rwanda: In 1994, Rwanda experienced one of the most devastating genocides in modern history, when the ethnic Hutu majority orchestrated a mass slaughter of the Tutsi minority and moderate Hutus. Over approximately 100 days, from April to July, an estimated 800,000 to one million Tutsis and politically moderate Hutus were killed. The genocide was triggered by the death of Rwandan President Juvénal Habyarimana, a Hutu, whose plane was shot down above Kigali airport on April 6, 1994. The event unleashed a meticulously planned massacre, with attackers using machetes, clubs, and other weapons to carry out mass killings. The international community largely stood by, and the United Nations, with minimal presence, was ineffectual in preventing or halting the genocide. The genocide only subsided when the Tutsi-dominated rebel group, the Rwandan Patriotic Front (RPF), led by Paul Kagame, took control of the country, which led to millions of Hutus fleeing to neighboring countries, fearing retribution.
Belgrade: In 1999, Belgrade, the capital of Serbia, became a focal point during the Kosovo War as it suffered extensive bombing by NATO forces from March to June. This military intervention, officially named “Operation Allied Force,” was initiated in response to the Yugoslav government’s violent crackdown on ethnic Albanians in the province of Kosovo, which NATO argued constituted a humanitarian crisis. The bombings targeted military installations, infrastructure, and, controversially, some civilian facilities, including the Chinese Embassy, which was hit due to an intelligence error. The campaign ultimately led to the withdrawal of Yugoslav and Serbian forces from Kosovo, the deployment of a UN-administered interim government in the province, and significant political repercussions in Yugoslavia, contributing to the eventual downfall of President Slobodan Milošević in 2000. The intervention remains contentious, criticized by some as an infringement of sovereignty and lauded by others as a necessary action to prevent ethnic cleansing.
Holocaust: The Holocaust was the systematic, state-sponsored persecution and murder of six million Jews by the Nazi regime and its allies and collaborators. It took place across German-occupied Europe from 1941 to 1945 as part of a broader agenda of extermination, including the targeting of various other groups such as Romani people, disabled individuals, Polish intelligentsia, communists, socialists, Jehovah’s Witnesses, and homosexuals. Orchestrated by Adolf Hitler and the Nazi Party, the genocide was implemented in phases, beginning with discriminatory laws and the segregation of Jews into ghettos, followed by the mass transport of millions to concentration camps and extermination camps equipped with gas chambers designed for mass murder. The Holocaust is one of the most horrific examples of genocide in human history, aimed at the eradication of the Jewish people and profoundly affecting the global Jewish community.
Temporary.
Seppuku.
Verified? You mean lies by Yid and slave chickens.
Horse shit is cheap and is BS.
Humans have the right to exist (except those Yid wish to abort.)
Jew/Yid are not human. When they become human, then we can talk.
5ds
“Such large public demonstrations had previously been extremely rare in China”
Actually, China has deep-rooted traditions, deep-rooted even for China, of rebellions and jacqueries. Even under the CPC, provincial protests against corruption get big enough to prompt immediate state action, and nobody gets killed except the five-pocket crooks. Chinese civil society is more functional than that in the US – partly because they outnumber the fuck out of any conceivable state, but also because the CPC, unlike the CIA regime, has ratified the ICESCR. Chinese know their rights, including resistance. And yours. I know a Western language teacher who was there during Tienanmen, and this mob, big as only Chinese mobs can be, busted in her flat and milled around and left her with not a hair harmed. There was quite a bit of looting but foreigners were not the target, the state was.
Sit down with any educated Joe Blow Chinese and they will demand explanations for all kind of shit you never heard of and you’re like Whu-u-u-ut? They are much less propagandized than ordinary US muppets. This commenter has had to acknowledge, later, when it sunk in, that they are right. Let us hope that the earthen dam of Langley bullshit fails and we have our own Tienanmen.
Yes, that’s the guy, merely demonstrating his total dishonesty.
May 6, 2024 Let Israel’s Leaders Get Arrested for War Crimes
All decent Israelis must ask themselves the following questions: Is their country committing war crimes in Gaza? If so, how should they be stopped? How should the culprits be punished? Who can punish them? Is it reasonable for crimes to go unprosecuted and criminals to be exculpated?
https://www.globalresearch.ca/let-israel-leaders-arrested-war-crimes/5856551
The dirty profiteering schema of shoah-business must be demolished and used constantly to stop zionists’ advances against humanity.
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2024/05/palestine-open-thread-2024-137/comments/page/2/#comments
https://consortiumnews.com/2024/05/13/the-secret-history-of-israels-role-in-genocide-in-colombia/
I have encountered more Sub Continent Indians in law, and on the whole- they are all scheming two faced scolds with huge ambitions, very little grace.
If anyone doubts it, take the JFK flight to Dubai where they change plans and sit around them. Truly horrible.
The new luxury will be living in isolation. If you can’t manage that, it will be living around educated Whites who value property rights, good manners and basic hygiene.
Directing, of course. You do realise that you are a fully-fledged slave state of the ‘Gods Upon the Earth’, don’t you? If not, what in Hell will it take to make you wake up?
Unz mentions Nicholas Kristof, providing text links to two 1989 NYT articles by him — here are archived versions anyone can read:
Turmoil in China; Tiananmen Crackdown: Student’s Account Questioned on Major Points
CHINA UPDATE: HOW THE HARDLINERS WON
The specific phrase ‘There is no massacre in Tiananmen Square’ appears in the latter — here is the entire context, where Kristof clearly refers to other examples of violent repression:
Today the example of the alleged ‘massacre’ is essentially an especially brutal metaphor for what was said to be wider violent repression extant in China at that time — so speaking of ‘reversing liberalization temporarily’, perhaps just as interesting as whether there was a ‘massacre’ in Tiananmen Square or not, maybe even more important, is the question of whether ‘the hardliners won’, and what that meant for the development of civil society in China.
That struck me too, that the students had erected a replica of the Statue of Liberty, the national emblem of a very dangerous enemy of China. The PLA had taken immense casualties sabotaging US adventurism in Korea, for one thing.
Who benefitted (and still benefits) from belief in the Tiananmen Square massacre? There is a clear answer. Chinese students in America at the time were automatically given the right to remain:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Student_Protection_Act_of_1992
and afterwards legislation was relaxed to make Chinese immigration to the U.S. much easier in other ways. Australia and certain other countries also made such adjustments.
Then there is the old accusation, popular at the time among radicals on both the left and the right, that George H.W. Bush, a former CIA head, had actually been “turned” by the Chinese during his time as U.S. Ambassador there, and afterwards worked for Chinese interests. It’s difficult to disprove that from his subsequent behavior.
“current “israeli” slaughter of Palestinians.”
— Jews are slaughtering the Palestinian children, women, infirm, and elderly.
Here is a portrait of jewish fascism draped in the lunatic fanaticism of supremacy and gone crazy thanks to the protection established by holobiz Lies and the support of the shameless and dishonorable global jewry:
https://gab.com/gardianAngel/posts/112435559975868110/media/3
They are filming evidence of their war crimes without fear of any repercussions! This is unprecedented in human history, it is unique, this barbarity has no equivalent.
Jewish barbarity has no equivalent. Those who support zionism are enemies of Humanity.
All jewish sects must be banned and expelled. All centers of judaic/talmudic education and all major jewish organizations must be closed and declared the subversive organizations. It does not matter where the jews move after devouring America. Their reputation of a malicious and sadistic tribe is sealed now.
Dear me, Imperial troll Has Been is a Sinophobe hate-monger, too. Colour me unsurprised. There was NO massacre in Tian An Men Square, but a typical, in fact the prototype, ‘Colour Revolution’ climax, a bloody attempt to seize power through violence, just as Has Been’s Nazi idols pulled off in Kiev in 2014.
The ONLY people responsible were the instigators and architects of all such violent subversions since, in Belgrade, Tbilisi, Kiev etc, the USA through the CIA and local compradore, traitor, stooges like Otpor, Canvas and the scum currently opposing legislation exactly akin to US FARA laws, in Georgia, again, and the violent goons that do the dirty work, Taiwanese intelligence, Hong Kong triads and others in Beijing, trained neo-Nazis in Kiev etc-and, of course, propaganda trolls like our loathsome irritation, Has Been. A FILTHY troll who even has the gall to blame the US bio-warfare attack in Wuhan on the Chinese. These trolls are always, at root, race-haters, the true essence of ‘Western Moral Values’. Hard luck racist-China got away in 1989, and you’re not ‘bringing China down’, EVER.
That’s easy…
The lack of normal human morality is what propels jewish successes.
Add “chutzpah” to the mix, as well.
It’s about nepotism, “anything goes” amoral thinking without regard for basic human decency.
Supremacy which elevates the jews above the rest of us is a major factor in jewish behavior. Screwing over the goyim and being proud of it is another major factor.
Wound collecting, claiming that everyone else is against them due to envy and jealousy with jewish failure to recognize that they themselves are the problem, not everyone else.
Psychotic “self-victimization” is a major part of the jewish mind, which is inculcated from birth. Infant male genital mutilation further adds to the psychotic jewish mind. Let’s not forget the “bris” where the dirty “mohel” fellates the infant, passing on whatever STDs the “mohel” possesses is a major contributor to jewish psychosis.
Judaism itself is the problem and must be excised from the whole of humanity. All one has to do is study rabbinical teachings to see what jews really think of us “goyim”.
Absent that, look for the jews to “light one (or more) off” if they don’t get their way. The “Samson” option is a promise to light off a nuke if israel’s interests are not fulfilled.
Example:
If a normal non-jewish (gentile) human being sees a person in trouble or in need, his natural instinct or normal behavior is to help that person out without regard to that person’s beliefs or other characteristics. Assistance is seen as a moral imperative in the non-jewish (gentile) mind. This even applies to non-Christian people.
If a jew sees a person in trouble or in need, his natural instinct (if the person in need is known to be a gentile) will just be to “walk on by” to avoid helping that person. You see, according to jewish beliefs interacting with a gentile in need is to be avoided at all cost. Touching a gentile is even worse as it contaminates the superior jewish spirit. In fact, assisting in the gentile’s demise is seen as a superior act under jewish “law”.
In my many decades upon this mortal coil, I have experienced both types of behavior many times. Invariably, I have been helped by gentiles, but never by jews.
As I previously stated, judaism itself is the problem…
Believe me, Tom, Markson is, in my opinion, the MOST LOATHSOME of all Murdochites in the Austfailian MSM sewer. Her demented pro-Israel and pro-Gaza Holocaust screeching is ….say you crossed Melanie Taubman with a female hyena with rabies, you might get an approximation.
She hates China with that Talmudic fury they reserve for the Sons of Shem, or is it Ham, whatever, the lowest of the goyim, and who refuse to worship Jews as well!! More Amalek for Yahweh’s delectation in the fullness of time.
re: “Even more remarkable were the discoveries I made regarding our supposedly accidental bombing of the Chinese Embassy in 1999. Not long after launching this website, I added former Asia Times contributor Peter Lee as a columnist, incorporating his China Matters blogsite archives that stretched back for a decade. He soon published a 7,000 word article on the Belgrade Embassy bombing, representing a compilation of material already contained in a half-dozen previous pieces he’d written on that subject from 2007 onward. To my considerable surprise, he provided a great deal of persuasive evidence that the American attack on the Chinese embassy had indeed been deliberate, just as China had always maintained.”
regarding that incident see https://chinamatters.blogspot.com/2008/04/f117a-swan-song-fall-of-belgrade.html
Wednesday, April 23, 2008
The F117A Swan Song, the Fall of the Belgrade Embassy…and China Rising
and https://chinamatters.blogspot.com/2009/04/murder-in-loudounten-years-after.html
Sunday, April 12, 2009
Murder in Loudoun…Ten Years After the Bombing of the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade
and prob other links relating to same China embassy bombing incident
@ chinamatters.blogspot.com
its a good job one has a very long memory (on my hard drive)
To understand WHY Unz devotes thousands of words to topics which seem more peripheral, even by his own admission, one must understand The Unz Strategy. This strategy is outlined in his article “American Pravda: Breaching the Media Barrier” (Ron Unz • October 24, 2016). The quote below from that article seems appropriate to answer your question above (and I’ll put a step-by-step guide to The Unz Strategy under the more tab):
1. **Identify the Main Opponent**: Recognize that the mainstream media is the most significant barrier to advancing certain political or ideological viewpoints. The media shapes public perception and frames the debate, making it a strategic target.
2. **Make the Media the Primary Target**: Understand that undermining the credibility and influence of the media will weaken the position of your ideological opponents, who rely on media support for the dissemination and validation of their views.
3. **Find Weak Points in Media Narratives**: Look for areas where the media narrative is vulnerable—topics that are underreported, inaccurately reported, or based on outdated or weak evidence.
4. **Launch Indirect Attacks**: Instead of confronting the strongest parts of the media narrative head-on, start by challenging these weaker points. Successful breaches in these areas can cast doubt on the media’s credibility as a whole.
5. **Form Broad Alliances**: Build coalitions with diverse groups that also suffer from media bias or suppression. These groups do not have to share all your views but must recognize the media as a common adversary.
6. **Reframe the Debate**: Shift discussions from being about specific issues to being about media incompetence or bias. This reframing helps in presenting the media as an unreliable narrator to the public.
7. **Use Historical and Less Urgent Topics**: Introduce controversies or conspiracies from the past where the immediate practical stakes are lower, making them less defended and easier to debate and win over.
8. **Promote Media Criticism as a Strategy**: Rather than proving a conspiracy or an alternate narrative conclusively, focus on showing that there is a reasonable chance that the alternative views could be correct. This approach lowers the barrier for public acceptance of criticism.
9. **Flood the Media Defense Zones**: Introduce multiple criticisms across a wide range of issues to overwhelm the media’s ability to defend its credibility. This can lead to a saturation point where the public might begin to doubt the media’s narrative as a whole.
10. **Maintain a Multi-Thematic Approach**: Use platforms like the Unz Review to continuously offer alternative perspectives and criticisms across a spectrum of issues, thereby keeping the media narrative under constant scrutiny and pressure.
By following these steps, the strategy aims to reduce the media’s influence over public discourse gradually and steadily, ultimately allowing for a broader range of ideas and discussions to enter the mainstream. This approach is strategic and systematic, requiring persistence and coordination across various fronts.
The absolute majority of Israelis and global jewry support the ongoing Genocide of Palestinians; children and women are prized targets for the jews.
Agreed. There is definitely a pattern of Jewish fiction swiftly propagated around the world, followed by Jewish-perpetrated nonfiction. Partygoers dancing just outside a concentration camp of a million malnourished children. Snipers shooting through the fence at the inmates, deliberately maiming them. Punishing whole villages. And on and on.
There is no such thing as “AI.” It’s just a glorified google search that puts the results–which it is programmed to give–in sentence form. ChatGPT is a woke joke. It’s laughable.
When smart people cave and use the new catchy term “AI,” it is yet another example of the right letting the communists control the frame. Like how “woke” is now used to describe a SJW freak when everyone knows that “woke” means “aware of the JQ” since the 1980s. (Another example is assigning communist red to the Republicans — even though now we know there is a uniparty, but you get my point. Obviously red states should be the Democrat states, and (((CNN))) did that on purpose. The Democrats are openly communist, while the Republicans are only secretly so.
There is no artificial intelligence and there is not anything even close to it. Just messing around with chat GPT (finally) to see what all the fuss was about confirmed it. It is programmed by woke leftists to humiliate itself with stupid answers on things like differences in IQ between races, African criminality, etc. It is not even close to having any kind of intelligence. It’s a glorified google search.
Yes. Wealth is what separates the healthy from the morally catastrophic and the mentally unwell in open societies blown down by the winds of change.
I’m not sure what this has to do with blacks but the CSIS crew certainly brings to mind the adage that “Washington is Hollywood for ugly people.”
Meh, “New Atlas” host Brian Berletic is just another sexpat in Thailand. He’s said some dumb stuff before, especially about the part of the world he lives in, so I don’t pay so much attention to him anymore.
It’s in the past, anyway.
They make up such rumors just to fool us Chinese. But most of us Chinese don’t care about it.
Even if it’s true, so what? It’s good for us, because according to the polls, we want a tough leader to kill off the armed gangs.
The only people who are deceived are the foreigners themselves.
Well, and the CIA took a lot of unnecessary money from the American taxpayer.
In fact, even if you look at the multiple Middle East coups organized by the CIA under the Obama administration, this is still a losing proposition.
Benghazi in particular, the Clintons must have gotten a lot of kickbacks.
You would think Americans would care more about similar carnage caused by blacks and Jews in their own country?
Ah, you should call it journalism.
For example, we have a very high number of natural deaths. Given our population base, it could be around 10 million in a given year.
All the lie fabricators have to do is add up three years of natural deaths and say it’s because of our policies.
And why is it caused by our policies? They won’t mention it.
I would like to thank this place (unz.com) and the posters here for my English has improved greatly by reading their comments.
I would also like to thank the manager here for being so patient with my foul language, I am simply upset but regardless Mr. Unz’s patience has been admirable .
I got kicked out 5 times from Twitter.
Cue Led Zeppelin Thankyou.
That is an exact wonderful description of yourself.
Blacks do more carnage on whites every year in the US than Hamas really ever did to Israel.
“Woke”…I thought that it was ungrammatical nigger babble.
I’ve seen old footage of German SA marching with signs like “Erwach!” Something like “Germany Awaken!”
Look at the state of you: mouth stuffed full of profanity by the very people you pretend to hate.
Jews sired you. Jews are also the only force holding the US together, the last vital remnant of the way we were. Après eux, le déluge.
And these new people – you won’t like them better. And to these new people, you will be beneath notice.
Aristotle defined a tragic hero as a powerful and noble man possessed of a hamartia, or tragic flaw. His downfall is caused by an error in judgment, rather than vice or depravity. This is pretty much exactly the opposite of George Floyd. His life seems to have been devoted to vice and depravity.
For what it’s worth, I never really believed the “massacre” part. I thought probably a bunch of people had their heads whacked with batons and things like that, perhaps even some deaths—the same kind of thing we might see in Russia around the same time or later at the 1999 WTO protests in Seattle or later still during the “Yellow Vest” protests in France. That level of violence I’d be willing to accept without any substantive evidence based on the number of similar situations all over the world. But mass homicide must be proven with evidence, and I don’t recall any. What I do recall is video of the “tank man” being displayed over and over and over again, along with the implication that he was killed, or a bunch of people were killed. Apparently, they have no clue what happened to him or anyone else.
It’s easy for people to believe things they are predisposed to believe, and it takes almost no evidence for people to believe things they desire to be true. That includes the guilt or innocence of suspects associated with heinous crimes despite our “innocent until proven guilty” axiom. But if you actually approach events from the standpoint of a dispassionate observer and stick to evidence which is weighted appropriately in terms of potential accuracy, error, or bias, then so much of what is “certainly true” becomes uncertain.
In 1995 I was still a kid, but I remember watching the news and seeing the aerial photos of the Oklahoma City government building that was basically cut in half from a bomb explosion. The damage was incredible, and I remember thinking to myself, “A truck bomb did that?” More significantly, I remember the police artist’s sketch of the second or third suspect very distinctly, the one who was allegedly in the rental truck with Timothy McVeigh the day of the bombing, not to be confused with Terry Nichols.
That sketch was based on multiple eyewitness accounts from different points in time, including the truck rental office, and the witnesses had no relation to each other or to McVeigh. Yet within a matter of days or weeks, the FBI retracted that sketch and claimed that the suspect didn’t actually exist. They determined there was no one else in the truck with Timothy McVeigh on that day, or any of the days this suspect was allegedly seen with him. The various witnesses had given a detailed description of a man who was entirely made up.
There are similar occurrences like this in more recent history. But the point is that either the government was grossly mistaken or covering up the truth, and the media accepted that, or unrelated eyewitnesses were all lying or mistaken in a way that defies any simple explanation. The scary part is this: I don’t know which version of events is true because I think both outcomes are possible, if not equally plausible, and that says a lot about how little I value the accuracy of eyewitness testimony. That being said, because there are many other discrepancies in this case, I cannot say for sure what happened. But I do know what the “politically desirable” version of events is, and that’s the one that has been, and will continue to be, promoted by all the institutions.
Muslim countries in the region are already bursting at the seams with refugees. Take a look at the numbers. They’re shocking.
I think a better question is why the Jews of Israel don’t all emigrate to America or Europe, where they’re the most successful and protected ethnic group of all. Why couldn’t they properly assimilate into European societies even though they had centuries to do so? Why do they need to cling to this patch of desert in the Middle East where they’re surrounded by hostile peoples? It’s as if they feel the need for a permanent safe haven to escape to, even if maintaining that refuge means bringing the ire of billions down upon them. Why would you feel like if that if you don’t, at some level, harbor nefarious intent?
You CANNOT argue with dolt Rightoids. Their reptilian brains forbid admitting error, or learning from evidence or experience. The worst example, because most consequential, is Rightoid dolt anthropogenic climate destabilisation denialism, that only grows ever more fanatic as the evidence from reality, of rapid and accelerating climate destabilisation, grows by the day. The doltoid ‘brain’ simply grunts, ‘lies’, ‘Greenies’, or ‘ Greta!’ and returns to its high fructose slops.
In any sane brain you could simply criticise the BLM arsonists for their destruction (of black areas, as ever) and question who was really behind it, but the Rightist doltoid, a racist if nothing else, must defend a violent, callous, possibly murderous, pig and smear his black victim. It’s in their nature so to do.
In both Xinjiang and Tibet liberation brought modern amenities, an end to illiteracy, greatly increased life expectancy and lower infant mortality, higher education, female emancipation and in Tibet an end to feudal theocratic serfdom, banditry, hereditary debt and vile tortures inflicted by the priests and their goons. All of which a Sinophobic, apparently Islamist, racist, troll like you despises. And shove East Turkestan up your no doubt commodious fundament.
The peaceful protests at Tiananmen Square went on for weeks. Especially young people, many of them students, were genuinely fed up by their corrupt and authoritarian leadership. Some art student agitators even put together a Goddess of Democracy. The displays of disenchantment and idealistic optimism for possible change were widely photographed and televised.
The revolutionary spirit to revolt against oppressive regimes was already in the air in Europe too the summer, which manifested itself in eastern Germany only a free months later, prior to the breaching of the Berlin Wall. Hard-core totalitarian types and Putin worshipers like you probably also resent the crumbling and subsequent break-up of the Soviet Union back then.
I did not even claim that there was a massacre at the square, but you felt the urge to go off on another one of your typical melodramatic rants anyway. Perhaps instead of the widely used shorthand term “Tiananmen Square Massacre” you would prefer one of the following terms:
• Tiananmen Square Related Massacre
• 1989 Beijing Massacre
You and like-minded people could start a revisionist campaign to modify the name of that event. A good place to begin would be at Wikipedia. You might even get plenty of funding from the Chinese government – enough to siphon off some for your personal indulgence.
In Yugoslavia before the events of the 90s, there were many students from non-aligned countries – Arab countries (especially Iraq, Libya and the Palestinians) and Africa. Due to the events of the war and the worsening economic situation, their number has greatly decreased.
Nevertheless, there are still many former students of Yugoslav universities in high government positions in certain African countries. In the last 10-20 years, the number of foreign students has increased a little, but it has not reached the level of the Yugoslav era, when students from poorer countries received state scholarships and were quite grateful to Yugoslavia for educational assistance to post-colonial countries that did not have educated personnel.
In the meantime, students from China also came, who were apparently selected by the Chinese government, because they were very good students.
Raimondo was decades ahead of his time. His columns in Antiwar prior to and after 9/11 really opened my eyes to how evil and corrupt the US government is and the lies we are told everyday vis a vis our foreign policy. To this day I miss his work.
Kevin, there are a lot of things you need to know if you want to deal with Balkan issues, including the events of the 90s.
First, you must know the history of the Balkans for at least the last 600 years (including medieval Serbia as the most powerful military state in Europe, the penetration of the Ottomans into the Balkans, the Vatican’s still ongoing intention to destroy Orthodoxy, liberation from the Ottomans, the causes of the first world war, the decisive role of Serbia in the victory of the allies, the creation of Yugoslavia, interwar events, the beginning of the second world war, the genocide of the Croats against the Serbs, the English favouring the communists who took over power and maintained it until Tito’s death, the position of the people in Yugoslavia where the Serbs were in a colonial position, anti-Serb hysteria in Europe which lasts from the separation of the Catholics from the mother church, the falsification of history in all periods since the Roman Empire, etc, etc.
If you try to find answers to the events 90 only in Croatia, your effort will be in vain. You have to talk to everyone and study all the facts are suppressed by the unprecedented anti-Serb propaganda in the Zionist and, consequently, all Western media. You should know (and check) that Croats are the only genocidal group in the world that even today 100% supports the Croatian genocide against Serbs and that there is not a single Croatian intellectual who will condemn the Ustasha genocide and will not even acknowledge its existence.
You should know that the Croatian Jasenovac camp was bigger than Auschwitz, which is now being suppressed at all costs (the cooperation of Croats and Zionists in this regard is interesting). If you do not know all this, your research will be incomplete, and you will have wrong conclusions in many segments. All these and many other things influenced the beginning and development of the events of the 90s in Yugoslavia.
If you are interested in an opinion on a specific aspect, I can present it and you can check its validity yourself. Good luck.
Can one imagine what the israel firster jews like jonathan greenblot, aipac, the adl, ron lauder, ben shapiro, bill maher, and their bribed/blackmailed republicucks and democratcucks would say if pro Palestinian protesters in the US behaved the same way that the Chinese protesters did?
They would probably call for the extermination of all university students in America (except for the jews of course).
Hear! Hear!
Thanks for the article, Ron. It’s about time that someone set the world straight about Tiananmen.
Some knuckle-draggers would probably prefer that the world stayed crooked. They would say, “Who cares about honesty? The more outrageous our lies about China, the more the Chinese will squirm!”
My answer is that no one wants a nuclear war. But a lie by one nation about another nation, if left to smoulder, will increase the international temperature. Every such dishonest accusation raises the thermometer, until we burn at a million degrees. Only the truth can save us all.
Watching the testimony of a toxicologist carefully selected and coached by prosecutors to sell a particular interpretation is not the same as reading the actual toxicology report. You can read that here:
https://famous-trials.com/george-floyd/2648-george-floyd-the-toxicology-report
You’ll see that Floyd had 11 nanograms per milliliter of fentanyl in his system which is close to the median of 14 ng/mL for an overdose in adult males. Some methamphetamine and other drugs also show up. The toxicologist’s testimony spends a lot of time on fentanyl levels of DUI arrestees, which seems not particularly relevant and possibly deliberately obfuscatory to me.
Floyd died of pulmonary arrest caused by consumption of drugs combined with the shock of arrest and his preexisting conditions. Whether that counts as an “overdose” or just a guy with a bad heart doing stuff he shouldn’t have been doing is a trivial distinction. It should be noted, though, that Floyd had been hospitalized from an overdose just two months before his death.
How police in the United States deal with a 65-year old professor photographing student protests on Gaza at Washington University, Saint Louis, Missouri, April 27, 2024.
https://www.instagram.com/khaledtabasha/reel/C6ZlvJ7LWKW/
Thank you for that interesting story. I disagree with the writer saying that “israel” must continue to exist in Palestine. It is the worst place for the nation of Israel. What a relief it will be for everybody when the Jews all leave Palestine.
Of course ‘oppressive’ regimes is in the psyche of the beholder. As a fully-fledged Imperial propaganda troll you imagine that the glorious West is ‘free’ and never oppressive, but that’s because you’re on the gravy-train and doing alright. For the tens of millions,and growing, in the West, living in poverty or homeless and laboring in one or more low-paid jobs, oppression is real and economic. And in the non-Western world it has been decades of Western subversion, exploitation, sabotage, sanctions and invasion, killing tens of millions, all with the threat that it would by eternal and unending, history having ended with the triumph of Free Markets and high fructose corn syrup diets. That, troll, is REAL oppression.
In East Germany rent, transport, education, healthcare etc were all cheap or free. Social solidarity was strong, which is why Ostalgie, or nostalgia for the old ways was so strong for so long. Spivs and bludgers and exploiters, your type, welcomed the Anschluss, where the purges conducted were vastly more extensive than the pretend ‘de-Nazification’ after WWII.
Of course breaking up the Soviet was a crime and disaster, executed by the cirrhotic Quisling vermin Yeltsin, on orders from his US masters. The so-called ‘independent’ states were all closely intertwined with each other in industry, marriage, culture, yet were rendered asunder and the emigre’ vermin, who had festered in their Western rat-holes for decades, flooded back to infest The Ukraine, the Baltics, Croatia etc. And, treacherous AS EVER, the Yanks drove NATO to Russia’s borders, in conflict with absolute assurances, then prepared the way for the ‘de-colonisation’ of Russia, ie its vivisection, with the fascist putsch in Kiev in 2014, which, thank Marx, Putin is now liquidating.
As for Tian An Men Square, anyone with a brain knew who was behind it when that fecking filthy ‘Goddess of Democracy’, aping the Statue of Liberty, was rolled out, and so its soon proved. Fortunately for humanity the Chinese suppressed the violent, murderous, putsch, and now represent the greatest chance yet of removing the Evil Western incubus from humankind’s neck, after five hundred years of aggression, genocide and pillage.
Your comments are a much needed palliative for those of us appropriately sickened by the casual squashing of innocent potato bugs and ants perpetrated by these college campers.
Thank you for your concern about law where it *really* matters.
Am Israel Chai!
Thanks; up until now I had not studied the 1936–1939 Arab revolt in Palestine. Also in your linked article following that quote:
I did refer to the revolt once, repeated recently: ((They))
So perfidious Albion aided the alien Zionist invaders of Palestine ‘back then,’ just as zusa provides the bombs for the Zionist genocide of hapless, innocent Palestinians currently in progress in Gaza.
Comment: Catastrophic, in spades. rgds
Be careful while visiting Contemporary Nazi Croatia, as the Western MSM painted them as victims while they are nothing of the sort. They hate exposure! Also, they’ve never been denazified, and their WW1, WW2, and 90s crimes have been hidden as they are useful NWO butchers of the Orthodox Christian Serbs as opponents of the NWO.
Contemporary Nazi Croatia is 95%+ Croat as ethnically cleansed from Serbs (WW1, WW2, 90s), Italians (WW2), Jews (WW2), and Gypsies/Romas (WW2).
As one can learn from the civil war in former YU in the 90s, nothing has changed. Again, just as in the WW2, Nazi Germany, post-unification, immediately rushed back to the Balkans to rejoin its WW2 Nazi buddies (primitive Muslim Shqiptars aka Albanians, Catholic Croats, Bosnian Muslims, and Catholic Slovenians), and to continue its sick revenge against Orthodox Christian Serbs [4][5], as they blame the Serbs for their loss in both WW1 and WW2 – which is correct. Serbs fought against both Nazis and AHE, while paying many heavy prices in the process.
Re-unified Nazi Germany did everything it could to cause trouble, including blackmailing France and Britain to recognize Contemporary Nazi Croatia – the same as the WW2 Nazi Croatia – 80 years apart, yet so close – [1][2][3].
[1] WW2 – Independent State of Croatia | Nazi Croatia | NDH – Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_State_of_Croatia
[2] 2007 – Croatian Nazi salutes, caps and shirts at 2007 concert of the Nazi singer Marko Perković -Thompson celebrating Croatia’s 1995 mass-murder and expulsion of the Orthodox Christian Serbs
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[3] 2022 – Croatian Nazi Dinamo Zagreb fans performing the Nazi salute in the streets of Milan. | Twitter
[4] French General Truth About NATO Bombing of Yugoslavia 1999
Part 1/2 | English subs | YouTube
[5] French General Truth About NATO Bombing of Yugoslavia 1999
Part 2/2 | English subs | YouTube
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And yet Germany was so instrumental in supporting Zionism because they made a transfer agreement with the Jews to transfer their funds to Isreal and ally with the Zionists. I remember reading that the only independent non-state publication in Germany—though I can’t remember the exact details—was a Zionist publication.
Perhaps it was considered the lesser of two evils in the eyes of the NS, and they agreed to the transfer agreement and to work with the Zionist in order to get Jews out of Germany at any cost, but it does seem foolish to give the Zionists so much influence and to let them align with them so that they retain their organized and independent power within German society rather than kicking them out of Germany but still negotiation some agreements because they were useful in expelling the Jews. Also, why did Germany concede to making the decision to help create the Jewish State when Hitler wrote in Mein Kampf that doing so wound just give the Jews a criminal haven and wouldn’t end the diaspora.
It would be interesting to study the issue in depth to see why the NS decided to implement the policy. It seems to have been a big mistake.
Currency, we screwed the pooch when we went off gold. There’s been nothing but conflict as we’ve been lead around by our wallets for the last century or so.
All true… but the U.S. budget for dirty tricks abroad is enormous. No one can deny that. The Taiwanese budget for this kind of thing by comparison is really small potatoes, so much that the US has to now directly give weapons to Taiwan instead of sell them so Taiwan defenses don’t seem like a total joke.
I learned the other day that in the Middle Ages women were diagnosed with “green disease” when they started to act weird after reaching a certain age while still unmarried (perhaps the origin of portrayals of witches with green skin?). Perhaps this “green disease” is the source of your incoherent babbling about saving the world from bad men…
While an important part of defeating the enemies of truth, this stategy is doomed to fail if it disregards the key to jewish rule, control of monetary systems. Fiat money enables jewish pernicious behavior. It’s the linchpin of their ability to control the masses.
People still don’t know there was no massacre in Tianenmen Square? There was random violence in other areas of Beijing that night but the those who got the worst of it were the soldiers. They did not have huge arms and protective gear like the police thugs across NATO today. They were barely teenagers and many of them were horribly burned and beaten in random mob violence in Beijing.
The students had left the Square long before. Nothing happened to tank man either. The full video shows the tank swerving to avoid him and eventually other students ran over and pulled him away.
Ron: you’re wrong about covid. To properly understand the covid scam you need to understand genome sequencing. Genomes are mathematical models which purport to sequence coded patterns of fluroscence. Nothing more. Therefore “sars-cov-2” is literally nothing more than a long, long string of letters. It is like a page from a book. A genome sequence by definition is a mathematical entity not a biological entity.
I remember when they bombed the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade the first thing I thought was “that’s where they’ve got the wreckage of the F117 stealth fighter.” So years later for it to turn out looking like that was correct pretty much confirms that.
I could be wrong, but I remember “woke” being used to describe people on the “right” who are Jew-aware, in the 1990s or 1980s. I don’t know when “woke” became the new term for NPC, formerly known as SJW, but it pisses me off.
Good for Tibet to have the generous Chinese to supply all the things you have cited… now it’s time leave Tibet to the natives and back to the mainland for the Chinese. You’re overstaying your welcome!
When the missionaries came to Africa they had the Bible and we had the land. They said ‘Let us pray.’ We closed our eyes. When we opened them we had the Bible and they had the land.
– Desmond Tutu.
Today, instead of missionaries bearing Bibles, the CIA send NGOs bearing “Democracy”.
Thank goodness the world has woken up to their ploy.
The key is not to believe anything, until it is proven. This has been going on since WWI, at least. Frankly, with the bum rap Napoleon got, it may have been going on for far longer.
Dontcha know, the Chinese only know how to copy.
America should show the way and return to England/Europe and leave the continent to the Amerindians. The Chinese could not help but copy. Kill two birds with one stone.
Its a fantastic plan, the natives of the Tibet and Americas would erect a statue in your honor.
Let’s do it now!
Tell us more, Sebastian.
Thank you for your post.
Actually, according to the book by Prof. Rashid Khalidi of Columbia University, the figure was even higher, 14-17%.
If you’re interested in this topic, you might want to take a look at a long article I’d published on the subject at the end of last year:
https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-nakba-and-the-holocaust/
The British intended to have Haifa be an oil nozzle at the end of a pipeline and probably have it run by the Zionists.
So they got the wreckage from a plane that didn’t get shot down and from that B2 bomber that did not get shot down, they got the wreckage of an F117? Oh, DO tell us more. Ohh myyy! said Mr. Sulu.
@OddHeIs: Yugoslavia was far and away. Also far and away the best communist country ever. Serbia as such sucks. Funnily enough, “such” and “suck” both come from the Serbian language; in fact long ago Serbia was called Suckia va Such.
So genociders support the genocide they committed? How unusual you stupid idiot! Only a mental patient would think it worth mentioning. No one says “Remember that genocide we did? That was a bad idea.”
The fact that genocide itself doesn’t die out suggests there is an evolutionary advantage. Wanna generate simpathy [sic] for the Palestinian cause? Kill some, not even all, protesters.
A retaliation they cannot refuse:
Whereas, the occupation of North America by the whites is pure land-grab by the continent.
But… full of righteousness in their hearts, these same whites do not forget occupations elsewhere: 😀
https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/politics/article/3261021/trudeaus-presence-sikh-rally-further-inflames-india-ties-canadian-pm-accused-encouraging-climate
Oh Mr. Unz. Dude. You soil your argument and by extension yourself by including the President of Harvard. Just say “We’re leaving out the President of Harvard who was a lying cheating plagiarizing DIE hire who was fired for all the right reasons and continues to receive her salary for all the wrong reasons.” Awkwardness gone.
Protests have gotten out of line. The Antifa-ization of American culture. How odd that Mr. Unz is reluctant to point that out. Dude. If you want no more tears don’t ask for a wood shampoo. But imagine all the dim-witted college girls getting railed from here to Bejeezustan by khaffiyeh wearing 40 year old chronically unemployed yet somehow financed “organizers”, Occupying Vadgetown.
I think it far more likely that Kristof is lying than that his memory changed over time.
They are not called ‘presstitutes’ for nothing!
Another apologist for genocide and mass child murder. A nassty misogynist, too. Zion attracts, and produces, the cream.
If China left Tibet to the Dalai gang, theocracy, ‘with a human face’, would quickly return, run by Tibetan exiles trained by the CIA. Within months US military would commence infesting the country, and, no doubt, the Hindutva fascists would steal more land as India has stolen South Tibet. Ain’t gonna happen.
That would be the Judaic version of ‘Sieg Heil!’, would it.
Well said, Mulga! Loud and clear.
The depth and breath of the historical illiteracy of the contributors on this site is breathtaking. Ron call up David Horowitz or Michael finch ask for a copy of a 19 page pamphlet he wrote and offered on frontages years explaining both the history of region ad why the Jews are the victims here.your idiocy is te result of a brilliant man who has buried his nose in the NYT for his entire adult life. Reminds me of my genius husband who thought the rag was the Talmud. Shame on you millions of words and can’t reach any logical conclusions. Thomas aquinas spoke of people such as yourself in the last period of his earthly life. I call it te brilliant moron syndrome flattering myself I originated the observation. You might als enjoy the videos of John voight in Sderot at a cafe with suds of rickets over his head prevented by the iron dome from landing on targets., two thousand years in region before these animals arrived with their genocidal project. Try dr bill Warner phd in physics vast body of work on topic and as intelligent a speaker and author as yourself. I can’t be lew let’s you post this crap on his site
I think you are probably correct. I think it did start on the antisemitic right long ago. Somehow migrated to blacks then jumped over into whites making fun of other whites who side with blacks and Liberal causes.
Having University presidents on your side is important. That implies that easily firing University presidents who are not on your side is important. That’s why the ideal University president is someone who has committed some academic improprieties. DIE hires are arguably more likely to fall into that category than strictly meritocratic hires.
Pelosi was in Beijing while this was happening but on the second re-run in Hong Kong–Nancy was in DC with Nuland and the cast of Jimmy Lai were in DC getting supplies for the anarchy. However, in Kiev the color revolution was a success but today–Zylensky is under pressure to deliver and Ukraine’s 5 year term for President is up–. Can Zylensky exit to Canada and reside in Ottawa ?
You know zip about history.
Yous should wake up and despise the current MIC and Lobbyists and crew running the show in DC.
I think the United States does not have a scientific management evaluation mechanism when doing these things.
In principle, this kind of thing should not be done in the United States where management science is developed.
If I were making these decisions and I saw the sunk costs of these meaningless events so high, I wouldn’t have invested in them in the first place.
This shows that science cannot take a back seat to private interests, and long-term development cannot take a back seat to short-term values.
Here’s a link to Kristof in 1989 and he definitely did not say there were no deaths.
https://www.nytimes.com/1989/06/21/world/a-reassessment-of-how-many-died-in-the-military-crackdown-in-beijing.html
[Using boldface is shouting. Stop shouting or your comments will be trashed.]
To buy into the NYT and its journalists the like of the Zionist Kristol and his ilk is like believing the Indian Ocean is burning like a Bushfire.
My father was caught up in this movement.
He was studying at Renmin University of China (one of the most politically charged schools).
Renmin means people.
One of his closest classmates was the group of students who stayed until the end, that is, according to reports, the “massacred”
First of all, the firing did occur, but it was not highly effective, or even heavy firepower.
He was hit by a small-caliber stray bullet in the right abdomen, suffering a penetrating wound.
Then with the help of classmates, they evacuated and left the square.
Everyone should realize that if they are surrounded by troops and strafed by a dense firepower network, there is no chance of survival.
He was then sent back to the university, and the school gave up sending him to a public hospital (because the gunshot wound would have led to him being questioned by the police or even arrested), and instead brought doctors from the hospital to the school for surgery and treatment.
In order to give him a chance to recover from his injuries in the school (at that time, all universities were required to suspend classes immediately and let all students leave the school), they gave him the status of a lecturer.
Today, he is already a leading figure in his field and still teaches at Renmin University of China.
In his words: “I was born as a member of the Renmin University of China, and I died as a ghost of the Renmin University of China.”
So how does he evaluate himself?
“I’m different from those who go to Tiananmen for money.”
“Money?” I asked him.
“There is someone holding printed flyers at the entrance of every university. If you pick up his flyers and walk near Tiananmen Square, someone will give you money.”
“RMB?” I was curious.
“RMB, or US dollars, if you are willing to get closer.”
This did not only happen in Beijing. My father’s brothers and sisters were studying in universities in various places at the time. They had different opinions on this movement, but they all confirmed this.
Koja ste vi Srbi komedija, svi protiv vas, svugdi teorije zavjere.. Srbi najveća nacija, Elon Musk je Srbin kako kaže jedna gospođa.
400-800 protesters killed?
Try 40-80.
Invasion of Panama 1989.
US army tanks drove over cars filled with civilians, families fleeing the invasion.
Crushed entire families.
Mass graves discovered in around 2013.
Before invasion, US troops hyped up with hate for panamanians (the usual thing they do).
Thank you for your input. First hand accounts are truly valuable.
Your father witnessed the first (perhaps) Colour Revolution in history.
How do you know?
Plus you’re ignoring my point. Kristof did not say change his story as Unz stated.
Are you perhaps conflating the Kristof accounts of what happened – or not – in the Square with the violence elsewhere?
I’m not paying for anything from TNYT. But if you have access and want to credibly refute Mr. Unz, please print verbatim for the rest of us to read and compare Mr. Kristof’s two accounts about what happened – or not – in the Square.
Sure. Those estimates of 400-800 total civilians killed seem perfectly plausible and Kristof had reiterated them in his 1994 book, co-authored with his Chinese-born wife. After all, as I mentioned in my article, the PRC government itself had claimed that there were about 300 total deaths, though it suggested that a substantial fraction of those may have been soldiers and police officers.
However, Kristof didn’t claim that those deaths had included any significant number of the peaceful student protesters occupying Tiananmen Square or indeed that there was any evidence that any of the latter had been killed. Instead, nearly all the civilian deaths were of rioters who had been fighting with the Chinese military, attacking their vehicles with firebombs, and killing many of them. According to Western journalists, at least 100 Chinese military vehicles were burned and destroyed and the (probably exaggerated) claims of the PRC government were that the true total was 1,000. I discussed all this in my article.
As I had emphasized, many Chinese civilians and soldiers—with the numbers uncertain and disputed—had been killed in the violent street battles outside Tiananmen Square between rioters and soldiers and everyone agrees about that.
However, when people talk of the “Tiananmen Square Massacre” they are referring to the alleged mass killing of peaceful student protesters in Tiananmen Square by Chinese troops. And there’s overwhelming eye-witness evidence that never happened.
The naive students were used. Some posts from Mingpo:
Here it is. He does correct some earlier reports (not by himself) on the numbers. This report is shortly after the event. It’s fairly long so I added a MORE tag,
More than two weeks after the Chinese Army gunned down demonstrators and onlookers in the center of Beijing, there is still no evidence to support some of the higher estimates of casualties, like an early American estimate that 3,000 died.
Nor is there any evidence to support the Government’s assertion that as many as 100 or more soldiers were killed by ”ruffians” in what it describes as the suppression of the ”counterrevolutionary rebellion.”
The true number of deaths will probably never be known, and it is possible that thousands of people were killed without leaving evidence behind. But based on the evidence that is now available, it seems plausible that about a dozen soldiers and policemen were killed, along with 400 to 800 civilians.
Some of the early estimates of thousands of deaths, including the American estimate, were based on reports that the Chinese Red Cross had counted 2,600 deaths. But the Chinese Red Cross has denied saying any such thing, and this seems to have been an offshoot of two other rumors that variously used the figure of 2,600 to describe the number of students who were missing and the number of students who were killed.
”We’ll never know for sure how many were killed, unless the Chinese Government gives out more information,” said a Western diplomat who has been compiling estimates. This diplomat, who has been following the matter as closely as any diplomat in China, said his estimate is from 300 to 1,000 civilians killed, much lower than that of his home Government.
The Chinese Government has hampered investigations by instructing all hospitals and crematoriums not to issue any figures. Still, some reliable information can be pieced together at a number of hospitals, by accounts from friendly doctors or staff members.
Figures were obtained for eight hospitals, mostly in the area closest to the shooting, and they total 184 dead. But the numbers at two hospitals were obtained only hours after the shootings, and so the total almost certainly rose to 200 or more as those who were wounded died over the next few days.
In addition to these approximately 200 deaths, there were significant but somewhat lower casualties at 12 other hospitals, said a medical official with links to most hospitals. If these averaged 10 deaths each, that would add about 120 deaths to the total.
Then there were scattered deaths at an additional 20 hospitals, the official said. If these averaged two fatalities per hospital, that would be an additional 40 deaths, for a rudimentary total of somewhere around 360 deaths in the hospitals.
In addition to the deaths reported to the hospitals, there were some bodies that were taken away by students or by friends of the dead and never taken to a hospital. These may bring the total number of dead to 400 or 500.
Finally, many people suspect that troops burned the bodies of many citizens to destroy the evidence of the killings. After soldiers sealed Tiananmen Square about dawn that day, a large bonfire could be seen coming from the square. While it may have been the tents and other remnants of the students’ encampment on the square, some fear it was also used to cremate the students’ bodies.
There are many witness accounts of a mass killing around the Monument to the People’s Heroes at the center of the square. But most of these accounts began to appear after several days had passed, rather than immediately, and they directly contradict the accounts of other Chinese and foreigners who were on the square all night.
Among them were several European journalists, and both they and Chinese students who were interviewed shortly afterward say that the people clustered around the monument were allowed to leave peacefully about 5:30 A.M. There is also Chinese television footage of this group of students leaving peacefully.
A French journalist who says he left the square with the students in the early morning reports that several dozen workers appeared to remain behind, and that in addition a small number of students may have been inside tents on the square. If these people were all killed and their bodies burned that would add dozens to the death toll, but not hundreds or thousands.
There were also reports of students being killed, after they left Tiananmen Square in the early morning, in the area around the square and in particular near the Beijing concert hall. If this did happen, it would have been quite easy for troops to carry the bodies to Tiananmen Square to be burned, without anyone in the area seeing what they were doing.
Therefore, in addition to the 400 or 500 people who may have died in hospitals, who were taken to hospital morgues, or whose bodies were recovered by students or ordinary citizens, there may have been dozens or perhaps even several hundred more whose bodies were burned by troops. But there is no real evidence that this happened, and it would be difficult to imagine that thousands were disposed of in this way.
If some students seem to have exaggerated the civilian death toll, it is also clear that the Government’s account is inaccurate. While the Government asserts that troops fired only in self-defense, they were seen by many foreign correspondents repeatedly firing their machine guns at civilians, even those who were fleeing.
The Government spokesman, Yuan Mu, said on June 7 that nearly 300 people were killed, and he strongly implied that half or more were soldiers. Last Wednesday, the official New China News Agency put the number of dead at nearly 100 soldiers and about 100 civilians.
The Government has played up attacks against soldiers to win sympathy, and some of the deaths have been described on television over and over each day. While it would therefore seem that the Government would dwell on as many deaths of soldiers or policemen as were available, the authorities have so far specifically described the deaths of only nine soldiers and two policemen, suggesting that there are not many more.
JFYI
Brief updates on Palestine.
1. Jews call for end to zionism.
https://english.almayadeen.net/articles/analysis/the-reality-is-that-diasporic-jews-are-calling-for-an-end-to
There are reports that Galilee wishes to secede from Israel btw.
2. On-again/off-again Joe delivers the ammo for more slaughter.
3. UK Musicians quit Festival over bank sponsor/Oxford & Cambridge Uni.
https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2024/05/14/725587/music-festival-artists-Britain-Gaza
Protestors block arms suppliers/arrests.
https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2024/05/15/725650/pro-palestine-britain-arms-Israel
4. More strikes by YAF incl US warship.
https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2024/05/15/725632/Yemen-army-US-warship
5. Continuing legal. Evidence re Rafah.
https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2024/05/14/725580/ICJ-ICC-Israel-Rafah
10 is the biblical divisor.
I just want to make a quick comment about this kind of reporting:
It’s basically “Holohoax tier” reporting. A more responsible take would’ve been to say there were discrepancies and exaggerations from the government and the civilians, and there’s no method to derive an accurate account of what really happened. Then he could have stated the facts as he knew them, avoided speculation that was impossible for him to verify, and provided his own opinion on the matter. Also, he could’ve explained the rationale for his opinion.
Instead he made sure to include the most sensationalistic claims based on “reports” from sources whose existence we can’t even verify. For all we know, when he says, “many people suspect” and “some fear” this or that happened, he could be referring to himself and his editor. And why even put on a Sherlock Holmes dunce cap and include a “mass cremation” hypothesis anyway? He seems not to have asked his “sources” about the pungent stench that hundreds of flaming corpses on a bonfire would’ve unleashed on the immediate vicinity. Maybe it slipped his mind and he was more concerned with constructing an enticing spectacle that resonated with American blockheads. “I’m not saying they disintegrated hundreds of corpses in a giant bonfire just like we all know the Nazis did, but it’s certainly possible that’s what happened…”
Thank you.
How can this detached reportage back then – based on various, vague sources – have come from the same person whose tone, perspective, and substance on May 9, 2024 has been quoted by Mr. Unz? Here, read that again:
Again, unless I’m unaware of or misunderstanding something, Mr. Kristof has given seemingly irreconcilable account(s).
I don’t agree. It wasn’t called the Tiananmen Massacre on the day he filed the report. That name came later.
He reported plenty of deaths. Even the Chinese government admitted some deaths.
To make a huge deal over slight differences between a report filed shortly after the events with a column he wrote decades later doesn’t make any sense to me.
I am not to respond to someone who uses the term “holohoax.” You’re not a serious interlocutor.
It occurs to me that you might accidently be engaging in dialogue with someone who is beneath you. For example, Ron Unz authored this piece here: https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-israel-and-the-holocaust-hoax/.
And while the term “Holohoax” does not appear in that article, I think it’s fair to say a similar meaning is implied. That said, I don’t know if your grievance is with term itself or the meaning behind it, so this is just for your edification. I wouldn’t want you to unknowingly waste your time conversing with someone who is not on your level.
Just to draw attention to the phenomenon that one individual appears several times under different names (what is not allowed) with insults against Serbs (P.Simon – The saddest story – #402, 409, 416, 417, 424, 71).
Apparently, he is not trying to hide that it is the same person because all the offensive comments are written in the same style, in two lines, italics. He is obviously very frustrated and probably needs professional help. Like Jack said, some really can’t handle the truth. Serbophobia is generally very widespread, including this site, but I have nothing against it, even when (and it is regularly) untruths are used, if the comments are logical and preferably witty, unless they are panzer-moronic and without a trace of humour.
Kristol is in today’s NYT with an opinion piece saying something along the lines of ‘ A new genocide arises from the ashes of an old genocide’. Of course any rational mind would think Gaza and the ‘Holocaust’, but, no, Kristol is no self-hating Jew. He was raving about Darfur, a pet Zionazi project.
> The fact that the term Tiananmen Square Massacre has become entrenched is understandable because that is where the protests occurred.
It wasn’t just that. The student protestors were of a type which matched the typical Western conception of how opponents of the Chinese government are supposed to be. Bourgeois liberals through and through. The workers who got into the harsher conflict were less in line with Western prescriptions. Robin Mundo wrote a solid account back in 1990 that has been reprinted periodically.
https://web.archive.org/web/20200415045416/https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/remembering-tiananmen-square/
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A “revisionist” trend currently emerging in some Western circles maintains that there was no massacre. That is preposterous. A massacre did take place—but not in Tiananmen Square, and not predominantly of students. The great majority of those who died (perhaps as many as a thousand in all) were workers, or laobaixing (“common folk,” or “old hundred names”), and they died mainly on the approach roads in western Beijing. Several dozen people died in the immediate environs of the square and a few in the square itself. But to speak of that as the real massacre distorts the citywide nature of the carnage and diminishes the real political drama that unfolded in Tiananmen Square.
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I actually saw those pictures a few years ago. The photos are largely unavailable on the Chinese Internet because they are so bloody and brutal.
As can be seen in the photo, we do have quite a few PLA killed by Hong Kong gangsters hired by Soros.
They were hanged, burned, tortured to death.
And you can even see pictures of tanks being destroyed by gangs…
After the gang took away the PLA’s weapons, they turned their guns on the crowd and began shooting.
It’s more of a gangster-led massacre, actually.
Golden frame well deserved.
{ He seems not to have asked his “sources” about the pungent stench that hundreds of flaming corpses on a bonfire would’ve unleashed on the immediate vicinity. }
Regarding the claim of burning the bodies in a bonfire: “a large bonfire could be seen coming from the square”.
Our body is mostly water (60%-70%.)
Even a newly deceased body.
So how is it possible to ‘cremate’ a body in an open bonfire?
It takes several hours at sustained ~1,800 degrees Fahrenheit in an enclosed chamber to cremate a body, i.e. turn it into ashes. So how could Chinese soldiers have “disappeared” so many bodies — supposedly 1,000s – in a bonfire, aside from the stench?
Trump will be the “Samson option,” and we will have chosen our nuclear demise.
Perhaps your citing Bill Kristol here is just a coincidence, but then again you might be confusing him with Nicholas Kristof, like commenter Ghali did a few comments back.
I think it is the Leprechauns who are directing the Main Stream Media to promulgate these fake stories.
Prove me wrong,
But the problem is that the people actually carrying out the killings are Soros’s Mafia.
In fact, in those photos I saw many PLA members tortured to death, civilians brutally murdered by the gangs, and even destroyed tanks.
When the gang members hired by Soros seized the PLA’s weapons, they began shooting people with their weapons.
Unfortunately, your source is Human Rights Watch, which is owned by George Soros.
Anyway, we Chinese really don’t care how you make up rumors. Because no matter how many rumors your people spin, you’re the only ones who end up getting fooled.
The reality is that the Hong Kong gangsters hired by Soros are in our country stealing PLA weapons, killing citizens, torturing and slaughtering PLA, and destroying tanks.
And by the way, let’s make an assumption that’s almost impossible.
If you think we’re actually doing a massacre, you shouldn’t be too surprised if white people get slaughtered later, right?
Especially the US military in the South China Sea, if we stack the bodies and take a picture, would you consider it a massacre?
嗯这叫京观,我们以前历朝历代都会这样干。
In recent weeks I have been casually listening to both the Joe Rogan podcast and also Tucker Carlson while working. In broad terms: both lean right and conservative but seem to be moving away from the mainstream Republican talking points. Both consider themselves to be American patriots, they are not happy with current state of affairs and spend a lot of time attacking the ‘left’ and the Biden administration, but they are also questioning a lot of the official narrative and entertaining ‘conspiracy theories’. Like the murder of JFK, the Water Gate scandal, Covid origins and so forth and seriously questioning U.S. government actions going back decades.
So it seems both are fully aware the U.S. gov apparatus frequently lies to it’s citizens, and has done so for decades. U.S politics are controlled by interest groups and the public doesn’t have much if any say when it comes to policy, and the U.S has been waging wars abroad for few if any good reasons whatsoever and tried to justify all of it with propaganda.
So far so good, but what I find strange is that both of them seem to be still stuck in the ‘mainstream American’ worldview when it come to the rest of the world. Both are very skeptical of Russia, China, Iran etc and they seem to have little if any problems with the idea the U.S. should dictate policy to the rest of the world and seem to buy into the notion of American exceptionalism. When it comes to China, both lower their voice and get very serious about ‘American security’ and the ‘American way of life’. China seems to be the enemy in their view and Mr. Rogan blames China for promoting and amplifying the ‘woke’ craziness in the U.S!?
It’s as if the two are realizing much of the official narrative they have been lead to believe is false but they are not realizing the extent of the problem. Sure the American elites have feed them endless lies about great many things and shouldn’t be trusted but they still believe the ‘mainstream’ talking points: Russia and China are mortal enemies who will stop at nothing to destroy America, it’s democracy and freedom of the people. So it’s as if the corrupt American elites and the U.S. government has been telling the truth about that the whole time.
Strange.
That report supports my subsequent comment above (#167) suggesting more accurate names for the massacre. As a third option one could also refer to it as the Changan and Fuxingmen Boulevard Massacre.
Did you miss Tucker Carlson and the JFK Allegations (Edward Curtin • December 25, 2022)?
And you can use the link provided there to read the MacLeod article, too. All very well sourced.
Mr. Carlson has (had?) since been relatively dissident about Russia, famously going so far as to respectfully interview Mr. Putin. But he’s for years done his part as a Right jamb of the Overton window (see also, Pat Buchanan) with respect to China. The fear and loathing of both is always at least on the Establishment’s back burner because foreign enemies are as important to Raytheon as contagion and syndromes are to Pfizer.
No, not strange at all.
You are obviously just fantasizing, so your comments have no credibility whatsoever. George Soros did not gain notoriety until September 1992, more three years after the massacre in Beijing, when he made at least a billion dollars by betting against the British pound, enabling him to gain more wealth.
Soros then become elevated to a major public villain in 2010, when the political consultants Arthur Finkelstein and George Birnbaum, who had surprisingly brought Netanyahu to power in 1996, worked on Viktor Orbán’s election campaign by highlighting him as Orbán’s imaginary opponent.
I always thought Rogan was center left since he’s so Jewish.
Because neither is willing to Name The Jew. If either of them said Jews are the enemy, Jews are destroying the American way of life, and Jews are promoting wokeness (the last point is just incontrovertibly true), they would be de-platforms tomorrow.
All of this finger-pointing at China is unwarranted and could end very, very badly for the United States.
That exceptionalism derives mainly from the first and second amendments to the US Constitution, added in 1971, three years after ratification in 1778, which the US power elites disdain and are constantly attempting to undermine and curtail. No other countries provide the kind of freedoms provided in these amendments, as they have been affirmed in US Supreme Court decisions. Both Rogan and Carlson, and many other true Americans, appear to be avid defenders of these amendments.
@niceland
Typing Error Correction:
It should have been 1791, which ought to be obvious in the given context.
Not really so strange if you agree with Putin during the Carlson interview when he said that Western propaganda is the most powerful in the world.
It is kind of ironic that people who live in what Westerners call “authoritarian” or even “totalitarian” countries know they are being fed “curated” information, and so they adjust by taking everything in with a pinch of salt.
Westerners, and in particular Americans have such an entrenched instinctive belief that they live in societies where they are availed with “freedom of the press” that they take almost everything verbatim.
Even those who realise that their press may be lying to them about government policy, economic matters, race relations etc etc, when it comes to the Bad China or Bad Russia still stubbornly swallow it hook, line and sinker.
I put it to the prevasive and penetrative power of Western propaganda to shape the minds of its citizens. To be honest, I have quite a grudging admiration for it.
That’s usually the case.
I have no TV and don’t read all of your comments. What have the true Americans
• Tucker Carlson
• Joe Rogan
• Been_there_done_that
to say about (i) the recent LAPD-chaperoned attack of the protesters at UCLA and (ii) the Antisemitism Awareness Act now being goosepooped through Congress?
The full spectrum propaganda keeps people voting at each other over issues that are of no consequence to the Establishment.
It’s Exceptionally! effective. People are mesmerized by conservative Senators harrumphing at liberal appointees during confirmation hearings, but have a look at the lopsided votes for the PATRIOT and CARES Acts. Foreign policy was excluded by uniparty agreement from the televised debates in 2020’s Most Important Election Ever.
JFYI
A few more random developments.
Not much after Rus says that they may downgrade diplomatic relations with USA since the latter really is nothing more than a Criminal Cartel. I/others have been saying this for years, so glad to see it’s getting officially recognised, if not in exact words.
https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/spain-bars-port-access-for–israel--bound-weapon-shipments
I’d seen a report that Georgia’s anti-foreign-influence law had been vetoed after passing 3rd reading; evidently this seems to have been false information.
Hungary wishes to follow.
Maybe others might also think it’s a good idea.
https://www.rt.com/news/597803-hungary-wants-eu-foreign-agent-law/
https://sputnikglobe.com/20240517/russia-and-afghanistan-plan-to-build-logistics-center-for-oil-transit-to-south-asia-1118491002.html
Bezzie thinks that’ll show him …
https://www.palestinechronicle.com/100-import-tariff-smotrich-retaliates-over-turkiye-trade-ban-with-israel/
Joe Rogan is 99.3% pure lefty. He loves negroes and homos and if you are a homo negro with any social media credit you have been on his podcast multiple times. The only issue on which he has ever unambiguously diverged from the left dogma is trans athletes. He is a martial arts guy and he can’t book with fake women beating the crap out of women. For this one offense he has been canceled and since cancellation has expressed a wider open mind but he is from Boston, from the hood, and it’s in his bones.
Should someone have given your argument to Herzl and the gang?
Palestinians are told to accept 1948 as a fait accompli by a group of people going on non-stop for almost 2000 years over their own ejection. A bit disingenuous, eh?
Also they are told that the Jews should have it because the Germans massacres some Jews in ww2.
The Jews started arriving with arms long before NatSoc policy bit into migration.
You forget the short time that such crimes have been unpopular. It’s true that since 1951 Germans have been on a much higher moral plane than most of the world’s Jews but that hardly applies to Germans fighting to establish a German Empire before that. Remember that when British were accusing Germans of trying to rule the world, the British already ruled a quarter of the people on Earth.
Winston Churchill wanted the British Empire to continue and many British agreed with him. There was also substantial support for the French, Dutch, Belgian, Spanish, Portuguese, Japanese, Italian and US Empires (my apologies to all Yanks who’ve never heard of the Philippines).
Realistically, most of today’s Jewish White Supremacists are only 40 to 80 years beneath the moral level of the First World and most of the rest of the world. There are tribal sub-Saharan countries where they would seem quite normally racist. [email protected]
The killings in Beijing were the now familiar violent climaxes to Colour Revolutions, of which Beijing, 1989, was the prototype. The theory of Colour Revolutions was worked out by Gene Sharp and his Albert Einstein Institution, as a peaceful means for regime change, but only, in practise, to be used against opponents of the West.
His was the usual Yankee conceit that the all-wise Western liberal was the supreme arbiter of good and evil on Earth, and was entitled, due to their Exceptionalism, to tell everyone else on Earth how to live. He and his cabal, already controlled by the CIA, NED, IRI, IDI et al as we have seen since in Belgrade, Tbilisi, Kiev etc, infiltrated the PRC while some Gorbachev style imbeciles-traitors were in positions of power. Sharp was even present in Beijing, co-ordinating efforts.
As ever since, the regime change operation mobilised youthful idiots who seemed so stupid as to believe Western gibberish about ‘democracy’ and the other familiar shite. They followed the familiar script peddled by Otpor and CANVAS et al since of maximalist demands and a steadfast refusal to negotiate or lessen those demands, a sure recipe for regime change or violence, the deaths of dupes then being a propaganda consolation prize for the West.
And, also a familiar pattern in the years following, when the PRC Government moved to disperse the crowds, the violent and murderous thugs inserted in the country, Taiwan ‘intelligence’, Hong Kong triads, local criminals recruited to the cause, attacked the unarmed police and military, lynching many, whereupon the PLA liquidated the threat. Hundreds were killed, no doubt many by the regime change thugs, as with the indiscriminate sniper killings in the Maidan in 2014. The PRC learned a hard lesson about Western villainy and subversion, one that Serbia, Georgia and The Ukraine did not.
It doesn’t matter.
You can assume that what I said is false. You could argue that Soros came to the color Revolution much later.
But for us the outcome will not change.
It was over 30 years ago anyway,no one care about this issue.
If mass casualties do occur, then most of us Chinese believe that the government should be so tough that it is better to kill all the opponents.
If mass casualties did not occur, the CPC responded promptly.
The public will still support the CPC further.
The most interesting thing is that the Western media has been obsessed with this 1989 incident.
Is there nothing to report about us in the last decade or so?
The CIA’s performance has not improved over the decades.
I think it’s time you cut the CIA funding.
In fact, not false just premature and in fact accurate.
The female president of Georgia has reportedly vetoed the Bill after it was passed by the parliament. There are rumbles ref this , the recent Robert Fico assassination attempt, and past “mysterious and unsolved” deaths.
It would not be surprising if a can of worms is being opened.
One observation —
This is a comment on the article that begins
As there have been others, accused of “antisemitism” or “friend of Russia”.
This situation might have interesting developments.
https://sputnikglobe.com/20240518/fico-attack-conjures-up-ghosts-of-maverick-european-politicians-strange-deaths-1118517927.html
Correct on every count. I had brought up Finkelstein and Birnbaum in a past comment, but there was no reaction. I even linked to the Buzzfeed piece which exposed how they resorted to antisemitism (two Jews doing that, isn’t that nice?) to win the hearts and minds of the Hungarians. The Israelis just love Orbán, and could not care less whether he is antisemitic or not. There was a piece about that too (by Ian Buruma, if I remember correctly).
Along with reported major rifts in Israeli govt and ongoing idf fails in Gaza, another zionist ploy seems to be unravelling. Making unsubstantiated allegations against the UN Agency that helps Palestinians caused a mass falloff in donations by western countries. But these have been largely reinstated now, Austria being the latest to rejoin.
You might guess who are still absent, one or two surprises …
While some countries did not suspend and even increased donations …
https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/austria-swims-against-us-current--resumes-funding-for-unrwa
Attempts at rewriting history seems like. He got with the program. Even Sam Harris got bought, I really liked him.
George Soros was involved in the Tiananmen Square events. He and his organizations were subsequently banned from China for years. Obviously, you have to be careful about bringing up Soros in these circles because there are many who will overemphasize his involvement. But he was there.
Why don’t you provide any reference or proof for that claim?
Just google “George Soros” and “Tiananmen Square.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/30/world/asia/china-tiananmen-crackdown.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1989/08/08/funds-representatives-arrested-in-china/24e8b72c-d6fe-4753-a007-51d181239cb6/
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jan/28/inside-china-george-soros-vs-china/
https://thechinaproject.com/2023/04/25/how-george-soros-became-chinas-perfect-nemesis/
Mr Unz, would you consider suggesting to the South African team that they expose the whole story, like exposing Tiananmen Square? To charge Israel and the World Council of Jews with the genocide of the Germans.
In 1948, governing Britain from inside the City of London, the Zionists gave themselves Palestine. The South African accusation must take the lid off. We are all under Zionist occupation, not just the Palestinians.
The Zionist genocide of the Germans was successful. They murdered the supreme German leaders (by strangulation) on the eve of a Jewish holiday in 1946, they went on murdering all the intelligent men they could find and throwing their ID tags away until 1948, and they destroyed all the German libraries and museums – the German memory.
They wrote books of fake history for the German schools in the United States, and subjected the Germans to re-education, “denazification”. (Netanyahu has announced re-education for Palestinians.)
The fake history continues to be taught. What Germans say must conform to findings of the International Military Tribune at Nuremberg – showtrials. Most Germans agree that the Germans murdered all of the European Jews in batches of a million at a time, and that the murder weapon was insect powder. The genocide has been successful.
Would you consider getting the South Africans to present the whole crime at the ICJ, Holocaust and all?
The last source is a beauty. The ChiComms are, naturally, ‘antisemites’ (who is not?). Greater hate hath no ‘God Upon the Earth’ than for goyim who refuse to bow down before paragons like Soros. The fact that China is incorrigible, refuses to Westernise (in the compradore scum Liu Xiaobo’s infamous dictum, the Chinese would not be ‘fully human’ until they ‘Westernised’ ie accepted Judaic suzerainty)and are far outstripping the West in every field but moral depravity, is driving the Judeosupremacists, in particular, quite mad with rage.
Many students had grievances because the country was taking away communist benefits as the economy moved to a form of capitalism. Many had issues with nepotism and corruption. Some of the leaders were “agents” …. But the main debacle were the rioters who were separate and apart from the students. People were indeed killed and those were the rioters. Many of the rioters were thugs…. Others were agents. Operation Yellowbird was a CIA /MI6 operation to whisk many of the instigators out through Hong Kong. They used the Hong Kong triads (probably Taiwan triads too but not sure) who through their vast organized crime smuggling links on the Mainland were able to get them safely to Hong Kong. Most went to the west.
Gene Sharp would undoubtedly have liked to see the student movement grow and gain power. But as Robin Munro described, the main target of repression was not the students. It was the workers who joined the protests after they had been started by the students. The workers who joined in these protests do not really fit the classic profile of Gene Sharp activists.
What seems clear is that if the Bush I administration had in 1992 ordered that something like a Marshall Plan be enacted for Yeltsin’s Russia, then this might have changed the direction of history for the next half-century. A big factor in leading to the decline of the 1989 protests in China was simply observing the mess left in Yeltsin’s Russia. If the US government had been as able and willing to bail out eastern Europe in 1992 as was the case with western Europe in 1946, then history today might look very different.
The following sentence from one of the reports you linked to confirms that Soros had an interest in the Chinese economy and reforms but does not support the claim that he was actually involved in the protests:
The lack of independence and the expulsion of reform-minded officials from the Chinese government finally prompted Soros to pull the plug in May 1989, just weeks before thousands of students descended upon Tiananmen Square to demand freedom.
You are correct in the events. But bringing violent and destructive mobs under control is not a massacre. That is simply restoring order. Massacre would be violence used against non violent people
De radicalization isnt repressive…. It was indeed suppressing militarism and radicalism though. But it lasted into the 2000’s because the violence and terror attacks hadn’t stopped yet. But yeah the photo in question I think is a familiar one. But that wasn’t one of the camps. That was an actual prison for radicals who had already committed crimes. Different than the civilians who later went to camps
This is done with high pressure water cannons and by cordoning off a localized area but not by indiscriminate machine gun fire into a crowd of disenchanted people. You obviously appear to prefer the mass shooting method.
Actually more African students (actual Africans – not the descendants of slaves) study in China than anywhere else (well up to Covid anyway). Most on scholarship. The difference is they are expected to return home and build up their countries. The Chinese people now understand. That’s why many go to Africa to do business now. That’s the real truth.
Operation Yellow Bird the CIA and MI6 worked directly with the Hong Kong triads to get the agitators out of China and into the west. Just like the west worked with Sicilian Mafia in WW2 to invade Italy. Not sure why it’s hard to believe. And give me a break the Taiwan government was filthy rich. They took all the national reserves of China with them to the island. And let’s be real the Taiwan military worked with the CIA to operate the Golden Triangle opioid trade (Air America). They learned from the OSS/CIA how to use dirty money to fund covert operations. The goal was always to overthrow the CPC and return to power in Mainland China. Those are actual facts of history. I don’t know how involved they were in Tiananmen- but we know for fact for decades they ran sabotage on the Mainland. They would parachute sabotage teams in. Most disappeared never to be heard from again. They were the only government given the U2 spy plane to operate directly on their own. We know because they would sometimes get shot down (remains of at least one are in a museum). The US had to eventually admit it (see link below – which of course never tells the full story). I don’t think you understand how much the US worked with the Taiwan authorities to try to oust the CPC from the Mainland. Much of this is declassified now by one side or another. Hong Kong absolutely had/has a large presence in Taiwan (duh it’s all Chinese) and we know 100% HK triads were involved in what was going on in 1989.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/10/asia/china-us-taiwan-spy-plane-squadron-history-intl-hnk-ml/index.html
She was arrested because she hit a policeman in the head. As the video shows.
Stick to the facts, not what social media say.
You must be looking at a very different video than the one I embedded near the top of my article, which has been viewed hundreds of thousands of times and shows no such thing.
I assume you’re just a dishonest pro-Israel troll, but if not, perhaps you can bring your video to my attention.
Nonsense. Violent riots with people willing to murder are not put down by water cannons. Any western country uses firearms to quell violent riots. So don’t try to hold China to a higher standard. Did the British use water cannons in the “troubles” in Northern Ireland? Did the US not use firearms in ever major armed riot? I recall seeing video of Korean store owners shooting at rioters in Los Angeles in 1992. Nobody had any problem with it. Were any police or military in Los Angeles burned to death? Yet they used firearms when they felt it was needed. The westerner who took the photo of tank man also said in an interview how he himself had been assaulted because he was witness to the crowd dragging a soldier out and beating him to death. I know you are taught to believe Chinese are sheep and afraid of the government – but that is false. Oh and next time reply directly
In that video the arrested professor says, starting at time stamp 2:15 “…impulsively I him on the head, very lightly to get his attention….”
There was a brief moment when her back was turned to the camera and she was blocking the view to the two cops manhandling the student on the ground. Maybe that’s when it happened.
In any case, a massive overreaction by cops.
And she is really not very smart to admit — on camera – hitting the cop on the head.
Thanks. You’re 100% correct and I apologize for my careless mistake.
Here’s what must have happened. There were two versions of the clip, a shorter on on Twitter and the longer one on Youtube, and I’d provided both of them in a previous article. I’d watched the former, which didn’t show anything like that and I’d somehow misremembered that I’d watched the latter as well, but I obviously hadn’t.
You are disingenuously attempting to equate different scenarios. In some riots police firearms may contain rubber bullets or may not be aimed directly at protestors so as to constitute warning shots. The manner in which they are used selectively is reflected by the number of deaths during an uprising. In contrast, during the massacre in Beijing, admittedly hundreds of protestors were killed through indiscriminate firings. That makes a huge difference, but this clearly does not matter to you. Presumably you are one of those Israelis getting paid for pretending to be some other type of persona but couldn’t help blurting out your support for massacres.
She also wet herself while she was being subdued (see image around 1:30).
You are a troll or deliberately obtuse. Those were not protestors. A protestor and a rioter are different things. The protestors were not harmed. You are wasting time.
And rubber bullets are not used when people (especially police and military) are being murdered. Show me just one case.
May I ask why you give si much time to TUR? Your knowledge of pand knowledge of sources on most of history I take to be greatly superior to mine. Why do you give TUR the benefit? Are you perhaps able to spread the costs in time, effort and money across ther oitlets/recipients?
For my part I tend to justify my participation by reference to the few contributors and commenters evincing high intellectual capacity and apparent honesty with much the greatest emphasis on what I can learn and how it can keep my brain in tune by taking on – a bit like a brilliant cranky disaffected son –
the formidably credentialled Ron Unz whose remarkable academic record he recently set out and who has done a formidable amount of reading on top of that. As a rule of thumb I don’t put the greatest weight on detecting and answering Ron’s quite freqent misrepresentations of my long past commentsbut on much more on the significant failures to answer telling points and questions. An examole of a brief one is why the fact of the later struck WTC building coming down in much less time after impact than the one first struck isn’t, becaise it was struck much loeer down prima facie good evidence for the simple explanation that the buildings came down because fire weakened the steel supporting frame and the eeight above did the rest. A longer one involves my explanation of why his explanation of alleged events creating “smoking gun” proof of his “rogue actors” theory of the origin of the Covid 19 is not just incredible but now even ridiculously so.
So, why do you frequent this jungle?
It is not uncommon for a few violent agitators and rioters to mix within a large crowd of angry but peaceful demonstrators. What surely happened in Beijing was that police shot indiscriminately at the entire crowd. No Western press observers were there but the high number of deaths is highly suspicious. Obviously you are a fan of massacres as collective punishment and a means for those with machine guns to express their rage because in their view those protestors are all “terrorists”, mirroring the basic Israeli attitude.
> May I ask why you give si much time to TUR?
I guess one would first of all have to determine how “much time” is actually given here. Since this laptop is sitting in my home it can be left plugged in 24 hours per day. There are plenty of times when I’m away from this for a long stretch, and then casually open it up and bang out a bunch of stuff. It doesn’t really seem like much time. Usually, a lengthier comment is derived from something where previous notes had been made in another context at another time. But it doesn’t seem like a lot of time is really spent with this, except that when a window is kept open on a computer it can be looked at any time.
I trust you two fine posters – Wizard of Oz and Patrick McNally – do not mind my butting in your public discussion.
Our Jewish friend from The Land of Oz Down Under is clearly confused.
Maybe all that time he, or she, or they has/have been spending writing posts @UNZ has fatigued the brain so much that the brain has lost track of all sorts of things………
According to Ron Unz’s superb commenting software,……..drum roll PLEASE!
[Patrick McNally Comments: 3,091 Comments • 672,900 Words]
[Wizard of Oz Comments: 16,413 Comments • 1,668,500 Words]
Whadda ya know: our Jewish friend is the WINNER! WINNER! WINNER! by more than a few miles in giving so much time to TUR.
The Kettle, The Black, and all that.
Yeah, but Patrick McNally’s only been posting here for the last 4 years, while Wizard of Oz has been here since 2015. Also, McNally’s averaging more than twice as many words per comment. If he’s writing longer posts, he probably spends more time on them, researching and all that.
I’m.sorry that someone who can exhibit a modicum of commom courtesy on TUR should expose his intellect to potential ridicule. The immediate respondent to you shows up your figures and I have to repeat that calling me a Jew undermines all pretense that you might have actually read enough of my comments to essay any generalisations about me.
Thank you. But hmmm…..
A little more on your attraction tobTUR in particular would be interesting.
I’ve just seen Old Mother Tucker interviewing a religious nutter who asserts that hundreds were baptised in Tian An Men Square during the attempted Colour Revolution. Does anyone know if this is true, or just some deranged, Yankee, ‘religious’ lunacy?
No-as EVER Has Been peddles ideologically required agit-prop. The Chinese are the Western overlords’ Great Enemy, so everything said about them MUST be negative. ‘Western press observers’ would only lie as their job requires-you know that Has Been.
The evidence is pretty unequivocal. The protests were hijacked by the USA and UK and their stooges as a prototype ‘Colour Revolution’. It culminated, as they do, after the usual total refusal to compromise (regime change being the aim, NOT reform)in violent attacks on unarmed police, many of whom were lynched. The violence was instigated by hired thugs, Taiwanese intelligence and Hong Kong triads, and directed by the CIA, who then ‘extricated’ hundreds of their compradore goons in the well organised Operation Yellowbird, proving the careful planning involved from the beginning. The rest is your usual screeching hatred and mendacity, which you can kindly shove.
My dear Ooze-the first thing that any person investigating the MOSSAD attack on 9/11 surely learns is that aerial fuel, when burned, comes NOWHERE the required temperature to ‘weaken steel’. So, this furphy indicates ignorance or mendacity, possibly both. I hate to be so harsh but that fact is so well established that it is like seeing ‘Hamas beheaded babies’ again.
As we all know, or should, it was a controlled demolition, for insurance for the sayanim involved like ‘Lucky’ Larry, cheap removal of asbestos and to facilitate the civilizational war between the West and Islam to the Zionazis’ advantage.
To be fair, a better comparison would be with Colin Wright.
1st post: May 31, 2018.
That would be about 2185 days ago.
Comments: 21,535. Approximate word count: 1,926,700.
That’s around 9.86 comments per day, 881.8 words per day, 89.47 words per comment.
Looking at my own record I see:
1st post: January 9, 2021. 1231 days ago.
Comments: 3092. Words: 672,900.
2.51, 546.63, 217.63 are the parallel numbers to the above. Make of that what you like.
This is the question that our fine poster from Down Under posed to fine poster Patrick McNally:
{> May I ask why you give si (so) much time to TUR?}
Clearly, since you did the additional lookup and noted that WoZ has been posting since 2015 (as have I) — 9 years — and McNally has been posting for 4 years, doesn’t it conclusively show who has been spending soooo much time here at TUR?
We can quibble till the cows come home what does the expression “…..so much time….” actually mean, but the fact remains that 9 years is >> than 4 years.
Does it not?
And how do we know how fast McNally types vs WoZ?
Maybe McNally spends half the time, quarter the time to post something, while WoZ spends half a day sitting in front of the terminal. We don’t know.
And you are assuming McNally is spending more time researching: maybe he spends far less. I can’t speak for others, but most of the posts I write, I already know the stuff from memory. Sometimes I have to lookup some link and such.
But the meat of it comes from having read and memorized lots of stuff over the years.
From what I see in his posts, McNally has vast, detailed knowledge of the subject at hand, and most likely writes mostely from memory.
I stand by my original assertion: WoZ is being hypocritical by upbraiding McNally for supposedly spending so much time at TUR:
9 years >> 4 years.
16,413 Comments >> 3,091 Comments
1,668,500 Words >> 672,900 Words
Q.E.D.
{…and I have to repeat that calling me a Jew undermines all pretense that you might have actually }
You are a Jew: why deny it?
Not that there is anything wrong with it, as Seinfeld famously used to say on his sitcom.
I have been reading many of your comments since 2015 or so.
And I have had “discussions” with you before.
Your blind support for Israel.
Your anti-Christian posts.
Your anti-Russia posts (…in support of UkroZioNazis).
Clear “tells” that you are either Jewish or have Jewish in laws, or have some other very deep connection to Jews and/or Jewish causes.
Like I said, not that there is anything wrong with it.
By I hate it when posters come here and pretend to be something, then advocate entirely the opposite, presumably to make their anti-something arguments more believable:
e.g. “…I am a long time traditional conservative, but I support Biden”.
Yeah. Sure. Of course you are a tradcon.
It’s childish: most posters at UNZ.com are too aware for that to work.
It’s childish and insulting.
btw: I am sure you recall your many long “discussions” with our generous, infinitely tolerant (Jewish) host Ron Unz – and what his opinion is of you.
Actually, you’re mistaken on this. I’ve known WoZ for nearly a quarter-century and I’d say there’s a 98% chance he only has very slight Jewish ancestry if any at all. In fact, a decade or two ago he once visited me for lunch in Palo Alto, spouting off in person exactly as he does online.
He’s just what he claims to be, an elderly, very Establishmentarian Australian.
But your plausible arguments to the contrary highlight an important point. In the West today, the MSM landscape is so overwhelmingly dominated by Jewish influence that those individuals who derive their understanding and interpretation of the world from those sources are quite difficult to distinguish from Jewish-activists in their positions on most major issues.
In some ways they have become “extended phenotypes” as described in Richard Dawkins’ classic evolutionary analysis.
Fascinating and very important if even substantially true, but why should I believe that version? I say that as I move on to proffer on TUR, to my own surprise, a marvellous intereview with the urbane Tarik Ali on his book centeed on Churchill. Now that’s the sort of source I would give credit to. He’s into sources a bit like David Irving
This is a tired cliché that totalitarians regularly like to throw out when trying to cover up the basic manifestations of many people being fed up by oppressive and authoritarian policies from unaccountable rulers and expressing that disenchantment in public at a main square in a large city.
Yet using the word “hijacked” already acknowledges that in this case, as in others, the dissatisfaction was sufficiently widespread to have even emerged, and the nature of these demonstrations were organic and sincere. Denigrating these student protestors as “stooges” defies credulity.
The claim is particularly ridiculous because it suggests that student demonstrators were somehow too stupid or naïve to achieve their aims in inspiring change because only those evil masterminds behind the scene (US and UK) were sufficiently capable of provoking world media attention.
I don’t deny the ilunfortunate outcome geopolitically but you are plain wring, as a matter if high probability when you describe motives attributed to insurance. I haven’t thecpatience to to into all of the facts but there was (a)nothing suspicious about Silverstein, for the purpoaes of obtainung nortgage finance updating the insurancebon WTC 2 and 2 – but not WTC 7 – and opting for the terrorist clause which was easily sold to him in the light of the 1992 attack. The asbestos argument doesn’t stand up, because there was, thanks to the timing of changed reguations, none on most floors and no compelling reason to rush any upgrade. As to the physics of weakening by heat I’m 98%sure you are wrong and….. more important for the point I was making, why has Ron, former physicist, never given that answer? Sorry, you,ve swallowed BS.
The theory among some of the commentariat here is McNally is in the employ of some pro-Zionism intelligence op. I couldn’t say as I’ve only had a couple of run-ins with him. If he were, though, it would afford him the time and resources to write longer, more researched comments.
You really do have a problem which I will avoid attempting to define if you can write in an honest discussion that I was “upbraiding McNally” for spending so much time on coments. On the contrary I was curious about his unterest in TUR as I feel it necessary to consider why I spend so much time on a website run by a person mny regard as a crank. My ingerest was enhanced as I realised Ron, whether he believed it or not, was being very mischievous in his repeated allegatiins that McNally is a paid shill which now omly appears to reflect on Ron as he clearly can’t substantiate that.
Thanks. I wonder how much time it will save🤠.
I haven’t read as much of Dawkins as I might have if I didn’t regard most of what he says as so ibvious ss hardly to need elaboration. But clearly Imust read up on extended phenotypes.
Did I tell you that my one regular Australian Jewish friend now is Australia’s beat known Australian born rabbi whose loving views of Israel are in total contrast to those of my etired medical professor and in law who is my particular English Jewish friend. While the former anguishes over Israel’s plight, and dreadful leadership and is religious enough as a Reform rabbi to say that, yes he does believe in God – what kind? – “He’s a work in progress”. the other, now, in his 93rd year, is on a tour of Sicily for the wine committee of the most intellectually distinguished of all London Clubs.
In this context of friendly chat allow me to attempt to enlist your enthusiasm for some outstanding video interviews.
One is Neil Turok’s confirmation (for me, though it is so much more) that, while all clever blokes did Physics, Chemistry and a lot of Matth (without touching Qantum Physics or Relativity) at pre Universtity level in my youth while the girls did biology physics is now a stimulating frolic while biology is key to mankind’s next 150 years (yeah, yeah, AI too but don’t ask mectoo much detail if how, beyond productivity). I’m almost sure it’s this one
or maybe this
Mind you it was many years ago, and before confirmation by dozens of cleverYouTubes that I told the younger generation at a big family party that in 80 years time they would still not have a clue how or why the universe was or universes were created. Our ignorance only grows INO pace Neil Turok and other modest physicists.
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Then there is Tariq Ali talking charmingly about his anti Churchill, anti British Empire book that potentially transforms my vague and not favourable impression of the man whom you may wish to compare with David Irving as a serious researvher of primary material.
He is here
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And let me throw in this which, actually I may have picked up on TUR after Qantas allowed a chink of Internet time on its disappointing 23 hour flight from London to Perth
Enjoy.
Having now had a look at “extended phenotypes” I can see why you might have enjoyed making the metaphorical, and satirical, obwevation that you did, Dawkins term being essentially a description of the effects of parasites though somewhat analogous to epigenetics in its adding to simple genetics.
It could have wide application. Clearly Jewish influence has helped plant a lot of ideas in black brains which may be no good for anyone , including Jews in the long run. And sex snd pornography readily come to mind. Multiculturalism?
But for your previous paragraph accepting Avery as having made “plausible argumemts to the contrary” you deserve to be put on the spot and called to account. After all he says
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No you can’t really let him get away with that rubbish which conveys not a word of relevant truth. True, but irrelevant, is some criticism of Christianity but that is because I reject all theism – and I doubt whether it would occur to Avery to leap in the air and shout “Yay, see, you’re a typical Ashkenazi”.
Well yes, maybe 35 years ago I may have been on the committee of the Liberal Friends of Israel which never had a meeting and even was known to approve, entirely in theory, the likely efficacy of Israel’s hitting back 20 to 1 at its enemies, So he doesn’t really have any plausible arguments on which you can build sly support for a dig at me. Oh well, nice try, better luck next time.🤠😎
I forgot to add a note in my reply to Ron on the total absurdity of
Even if sny sensible fact based meaning could plausibly be given to ” [support for] Ukro-Nazis” you would be hard pressed to make it link me to Jewish interests when Israel has cosied up to Putin and refused Ukraine Iron Domes.
The world shattering consequences of exposing the whole.
In 1948, governing Britain from inside the City of London, the Zionists gave Palestine to themselves.
Mr Unz, would you consider suggesting that the South African team pursues the genocide of the Germans at the ICJ – accusing Israel as part of the World Council of Jews?
The Zionist genocide of the Germans was successful. They murdered the supreme German leaders (by strangulation) on the eve of a Jewish holiday in 1946, they went on murdering all the intelligent men they could find and throwing their ID tags away until 1948, and they destroyed all the German libraries and museums – the German memory.
They wrote school books in the United States, setting out fake history for the schools in Germany, and subjected the Germans to re-education, “denazification”. (Netanyahu has announced re-education for Palestinians.)
The fake history continues to be taught. What Germans write or say must conform to findings of the International Military Tribune at Nuremberg – a kangaroo court. Germans readily agree that the Germans murdered all of the European Jews in batches of a million at a time, and that the murder weapon was insect powder. The genocide has been successful.
E.Michael Jones and Alain Soral do not have a Government voice at the ICJ, and so might join the South African team.
Russia and China must surely support such a move. Both suffered deletion of their national memories, in 1917 and 1949.
The South Africans should present the whole crime at the ICJ, Holocaust and all.
South Africans also suffered memory deletion, in 1901.
Thanks.
I stand corrected then.
Regards.
Astute football commentator Mike Florio recently demonstrated that with a post about a controversial graduation speech by an NFL kicker:
https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/harrison-butker-no-regrets-for-commencement-speech
Florio doesn’t recognize that all Popes for the past 60 years have been Holocaustians just as much as Catholic Christians. That would probably explain the Pope’s departure from traditional Christian teachings on this topic that historically bothered Jews immensely.
Mike Florio is the same suck ass who wanted to suspend Aaron Rodgers for not vaccinating.
Didn’t your parents ever reach you that if a crowd are doing wrong things – remove yourself from the crowd? Mine taught me that! If you were in a crowd murdering police and soldiers and burning equipment – then I question your judgement.
The non violent crowd of students were not shot. You are talking pure folly