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BOWES-LYON FAMILY TREE (Maternal ancestors of Queen Elizabeth II & King Charles III)

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What is the additional title they gained while QE’s first uncle held the title?

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There are five peerages in the United Kingdom. The original Earldom is in the Peerage of Scotland with a 1606 creation, but in 1937 George VI made his father-in-law an Earl in the Peerage of the United Kingdom, which causes the dual numbering due to it being another creation.

Ah, odd, first time I’ve heard of that happening.

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It is a normal thing in the history of the peerage for titles held by one person to come from more than one peerage, but usually they aren't duplicates. As peers had their titles added to, the newer ones could come from a different peerage due to inheritance or the unions between kingdom.

Pre-1707 creations are in one of the three Peerages of England, Scotland and Ireland, then 1707-1800 are in one of the two Peerages of Great Britain and Ireland and Post-1801 are only in the Peerages of the United Kingdom.

Charles Gordon-Lennox is an example of mixed Peerages. He is the current Duke of Richmond in the Peerage of England (1675 creation), Duke of Lennox in the Peerage of Scotland (1675 creation) and Duke of Gordon in the Peerage of the United Kingdom (1876 creation).

There was an extra reason for Claude Bowes-Lyon to get a peerage as well: members of the Peerage of Scotland did not automatically sit in the House of Lords, but sent Representative peers instead. This way he could sit in the House of Lords as an Earl.

Yes, the part that I am unfamiliar with is the duplicates and the fact that the Scottish and English peerages are almost equivalent to the United Kingdom one.

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I had no idea Elizabeth and Charles were descended from a Prime Minister, kinda ironic.

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Many Prime Ministers were nobles before their tenures. For a long time you could be a Peer and the leader of the Commons. The most recent peer was Alec Douglas-Home, who was 14th Earl Home (although he declaimed the title for a lifetime due to it becoming an issue by that point). Other are descendants of nobility. Multiple trees here showed Cameron's descent from William IV and Johnson's descent from George II.

The tree shows William Cavendish-Bentinck, 3rd Duke of Portland (1783, 1807-1809)'s relation to the current royal family, but his wife's father William Cavendish, 4th Duke of Devonshire was a Prime Minister too (1756-1757). His son Charles married a niece of Arthur Wellesley, 1st Duke of Wellington, which adds another Prime Minister to Charles III's side (1828-1830, 1834).

A family tree on the channel showed how Winston Churchill (1940-1945, 1951-1955) and Princess Diana are from the same patrilineage, but she has direct descents from several other Prime Minister. She descents from Charles Grey, 2nd Earl Grey (1830-1834), James Waldegrave, 2nd Earl Waldegrave (1757) and his wife, whose grandfather was Robert Walpole, 1st Earl of Orford (1721 - 1742; THE FIRST PRIME MINISTER). As a bonus, an ancestor was a half sister of John Russell, 1st Earl Russell, who was another Prime Minister (1846 - 1852; 1865 - 1866).

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This interesting. Patrick Lyon is my grandfather x5 I believe. So I am somehow related to the royal family?