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go back troony
Wrong board
you newbies really are a funny breed
btw all Griffiths fault
Griffith did nothing wrong.
You know people are gonna take this bait. They always do :/
>grrrrr griffin was le bad!
>bait
ITS NOT BAIT
Allow me to explain how in truth, Griffith is a neutral force at worst, and far from evil.
In the Battle of Doldrey, they are outnumbered. It is only the Band of the Hawk against a numerically superior force, comprised of elite units manning the toughest stronghold in the region.
It was a suicide mission regardless of skill or tactics save one key detail. Griffith is there. Not that he's fighting or that he's leading, but that he is just there, and the oppositions leader is madly in love with him. This is what ultimately wins them the day, but if he had decided he didn't really need Griffith, they would have all been slaughtered. They all went in to not just this, but almost every battle on the notion of-
"Well, Griffith knows what he's doing, and if not we're all dead!" Griffith did not save their lives once, but dozens of times, maybe hundreds. How many times do you get to save someones life before surely, it MUST belong to you? Some would argue once. Maybe five. But a few dozen? Over a hundred? They were all dead men without him, and mercenaries besides. They were never going to heaven regardless of Griffith, so even the eternal swirling pool of the damned they are all still living in isn't really his fault either.
Reminder, they did not go to save him for love of Griffith, except maybe the leadership. They went only because they were hopelessly lost without him. Griffith did nothing wrong, and while I surely wouldn't, most would do the exact same thing he did. You know I'm right.
>You know I'm right.
but you're not tho
Griffith won the battle of Doldrey because Gennon dropped his spaghetti over Griffith bussy
Fricking gay twink spoiled fricker with delusions of grandeur
>oh no my subordinate that made 90% of my success is leaving me!
>bawww! he beat me in a fight
>LETS RUIN EVERYTHING FOR EVERYONE FOREVER!
I didn't realize it at the time, but this would be my first and last exposure to a realistic depiction of gay men in real life
true. we've had them idolized and made to be dindu nuffins ever since
griffith was upset that guts left, I don't think he gave a shit about the duel itself, seeing as how he doesn't dream about it in the dungeon.
Muh dream
Griffith is gay for guts
Griffith was an overemotional homosexual. He somehow had a woman moment.
I'm not saying you're wrong but why do people always forget Guts' role in this?
>overhears griffith trying to impress the princess
>instead takes it personally and silently seethes
>thinks griffith doesn't respect him despite treating him better than any other member of the hawks
>ditches his leader without any explanation and triggers his downfall
>treating him better than any other member of the hawks
he still did not consider him a friend, he considered nobody to be his "equal"
Guts had a personality and was not a just a tool for Gritfith. His sense of camaraderie was betrayed by Griffith. Guts also killed kid by mistake, for griffith, and this would add to his desire to leave and be on his own.
Guts is the God of Struggle and Willpower. Guts was raped and then killed the rapist and his father.
Griffith is the egotistic, prideful warrior that is a pseudo-noble homosexual that sold his ass.
Guts leaves and Griffith's abominable pride and ego go haywire. It was like been offended to death by somebody telling you, you are unimportant.
he is also a homosexual
>instead takes it personally and silently seethes
That isn't what happened. Guts just wanted something that was truly for himself, like a lot of members of the Band, he was just the only one with the balls to strike out from beneath Griffith's shadow.
It's real cool of you to get all genuinely angered over choices made by fictional characters and everything, but the brand of sacrifice doesn't work unless you care about the people being sacrificed. That doesn't mean they weren't expendable when Hellraiser/Giger demigods specifically gave him the ultimatum of "your friends OR your dream", but he still cared about them.
>Griffith did
everything wrong. Ruled by egoism, pride and his desires. Friend to none but his flaws which he put on an altar and worshiped them.
Griffith is a greatest loser and greater piece of trash ever.
>Ruled by egoism, pride and his desires.
This opposite. His dream lifted him from a life in poverty to a mercenary, a noble and on path to become King and co-rule with Charlotte, he would rule justly as proven by his conduct on his rise to power.
His fall began when he lost site of his dream, when he abandoned his ego, his pride and his desires. Usually Griffith would not care about Guts leaving, the fighting was over, it did not interfere with his plans which involved winning Charlotte's heart, politics and espionage to secure her as the heir and co-rule with her as King. What role would he play in this? Griffith starts having human feelings for Guts, feelings we would consider noble, but for Griffith were a liability, like having feelings for a chess piece and this led to his psychological break and downfall.
>MY DREAM IS TO HAVE A CASTLE
all that ambition wasted in a monumentally stupid plan
I like Berserk and anime but this really has to fricking stop, I agree.
>I like Berserk and anime but this really has to fricking stop, I agree.
I like anime but that board is filled with freaks
Cinemaphile sucks balls. if Cinemaphile can have like 20 boards they can make another anime board withouth the homosexualry
Cinemaphile only has so many boards because it became a den of namegays and shilling.
Cinemaphile and Cinemaphile are the worst boards on this site. Normie entry points with the worst moderation.
Cinemaphile doesn't like Berserk anymore. Anime that Cinemaphile doesn't like anymore comes here. Let them have their musho tentais and homietoros or whatever.
>2 hot white guys are fighting for a scrap of that 4/10 pajeets pussy
Thats how you know its the end of the world
Pebble nips though
Excuse me, Casca is a tomboy Latina like my crush from high school
Casca's Italian
berserk is reddit
shit b8
No it is in fact guts who ruined everything. If he never came back, then Griffith might've died in Wyndam and all his friends would be alive. He should've kept the comfy life swinging his sword at logs of wood.
Yeah I've suspected that portions of reddit have better taste than Cinemaphile for some time now.
she was constantly annoying
also, does anything ever happen from Guts totally killing that innocent kid during his fricked up moronic assassination job?
like, does the story ever get any consequences for that or is the fact the protagonist "gutted" (lmao) a little kid just forgotten about
That part was the first "shock porn" part that never had a real payoff imo
It's so fricking shocking, he kills a fricking child, plus there's buildup to you caring about the child, then nothing fricking happens lmfao
>then nothing happens
that kid would have been in the way of the throne for Griffith, he would have had to die at some point anyway, Guts just did him a favor by accident. what has to happen for Guts? he already has a breakdown over it when he's hiding in the sewer. what, does he need to "pay" for it? Guts has killed hundreds of people.
Killing the child is the trigger for Guts questioning his path ie. following Griffith and doing his dirty work. After the mission he overhears Griffith admitting in an autistic way that he doesn't even consider his comrades his friends, which further causes Guts to choose between his loyalty to thankless Griffith or to himself, ultimately leading him to abandon the cause, and furthermore bringing forth the downfall of the Band of the Hawk.
>meaningless
That’s when he figured out Griffith is just using him as a tool and poisoning his soul
She was an utterly pointless character.
She was just in it to get her breasts out and get raped.
All her communication was done via crying or screaming, 100% damaged goods, utterly unable to control her emotions and rage.
The writing in that comic is dog shit.
>She was just in it to get her breasts out and get raped
Yes, that's female characters in general in Japanese media
that's female characters IRL too
Nah she made Griffith a bad ass. She is getting raped and he just tosses a sword and tells her to handle it.
>unable to control her emotions and rage.
>Literally the only one during the eclipse who was able to think properly and act besides based judeau
You didn't watch it. You didn't read it.
Griffith just had to stop being a wiener crazed homosexual for 5 fricking minutes and everything would have worked just fine for everyone
Regardless of whether he wanted Guts dick or not, at face value it's clear he couldn't fathom anyone denying him. Dude was so close to the finish line and tripped on his own laces, but honestly, thinking about what we learned about Charlotte's father in the end, he might have never gotten the chance anyway.
>he might have never gotten the chance anyway.
keeled her mother, keeled her uncle, regicide is no problem
When you say it like that, yeah. That would've been the next logical step.
woman on a ship brings bad luck.
If it hadn't been for Casca, Griffith would've raped Guts
Honestly, might've been ironic.
>Guts offered his ass the first time they fought
>Gets defeated
>Griffith causes Eclipse
>"Remember when you offered me your ass...?"
That's what b***hes do
Is this for homosexuals? That naked little twink fairy is doing obnoxiously sexual poses every 3 panels.
why didn't Guts just frick Griffith's bussy?
Eclipse would never have happened
casca if she REAL!
too white
TONGUE KISSING
>whole season
>war, phylosophy, game of thrones
>last episode
>mfw
Never watched the anime, did it really just drop the eclipse on viewers with no foreshadowing? In the manga you get a little mini-arc right at the beginning where Guts is in the current day fighting demons and briefly meets post-transformation Griffith before the big flashback to the golden era, establishing that Griffith is Femto before the bulk of the story even begins
A couple of monsters mention being excited about the upcoming eclipse but that's about it.
You get a hint in episode 1 and the dual with Zodd and that’s it. Miuras imput had them keep it more self contained incase it didn’t get a second season
A shame that it didn’t, Slug, Lost Children, and Conviction would have been kino in that style.
we are getting slug in 97 style soon by the youtuber arche
There's not just ZERO foreshadowing, but things like Wyald and any of Griffith's internal monologue while being tortured were completely left out. It specifically ends with Guts' eye being gouged out and you don't even see how he escaped.
I started with the anime and frick that ending made sure I got into the manga immediately.
Ge re feef was a ticking time bomb, it was his intention to have a kingdom of his own without really saying what purpose it is.
He just showed his true colors by ditching all of this friends and soldiers, at the same time he was near useless physically, even his tongue got cut out and that's before magic was known in berserk, at least to our eyes.
I don't really know if I should hate him or somewhat understand him, he made it quite clear from the beginning he wants a kingdom, he let himself get molested by that pedo king so he can have a more financially stable mercenary group.
>guts is not white, he's mixed, looks like a pardo
>caska is jeet mixed with white
>griffit wasn't evil, he didn't want to activate the eclipse and was tricked by the god hand
No one can refute this
>>guts is not white, he's mixed, looks like a pardo
is jeet mixed with white
wasn't evil, he didn't want to activate the eclipse and was tricked by the god hand
>No one can refute this
Guts is a European with some supernatural blood, look at his ears and teeth
caska in indeed half white half hindu
Griffith was evil, egoistic, full of pride adn saw everyone as expendable and beneath him. He was weak with distorted desires and low urges. His lust and vanity and ego led him to be caught and destroyed by the king's torturer and then ended up a wreck of a man in the eclipse. In his darkest hour he blamed others and Guts especially, finding no flaw in himself which would have saved him, when Guts and his friends risked everything against the fricking king to save their friend.
Griffith is dog vomit. In the end he said, how dare Guts be superior to me and leave my side giving my ego a glimpse of what i really as as Griffith. A slimy petty nobody is what Griffith was, with some exceptional skills but no essence.
>saw everyone as expendable and beneath him
Do you gays intentionally misread the manga? The only time Griffith puts himself in harms way is to save Guts. He could have died fighting Zod. Imagine if Casca, Juneau, or Corlys tried to leave the Band of the Hawk. Would Griffith self destruct like when Guts left? Yes Griffith is a piece of shit but flattening his character into an unfeeling sociopath cheapens the story.
>The only time Griffith puts himself in harms way
he put himself fin harm's way every time he went into combat. Guts was valuable and he would not just waste his second in command. Zodd was an unknown unexpected event.
Guts was seen as a valuable subordinate, inferior yet still useful. He did Griffith's drty work.
That's ok anon. We all know you just read it for the pretty pictures.
read all of it. Use your brain, if any brain cells are left.
>Griffith fricking throws away his dream, the only thing he ever lived for, because of Guts. Focusing on his intense feelings for Guts is literally what keeps him sane during the year of medieval torture.
Griffith is overcome by his flawed nature is devastated because his is sick in the heart and mind and goes to frick the princess.
His intense feelings for Guts are negative. He tries to strangle his savior as Guts is rescuing him from the result of his own actions. Gtiffith is to blame for everything. He was supremely deluded.
Griffith ends up as a major "devil" that is how low and worthless he was.
>His intense feelings for Guts are negative
You have the emotional depth of a middle schooler if you read it like that. Seriously get yourself checked out for autism. Manichean thinking is not normal.
keep you mongoloid moronation for your therapist/
Griffith ends up a devil, his true nature
Guts carries on struggling, protecting his friends and suffering for the sake of others.
You are a joke of an existence.
Griffith could not have ascended and sacrificed his band if he didn't feel anything for them. Even after the ascention he still has faint lingering feelings for Guts. The entire ascention is Griffith giving up his humanity (and thus his emotional attachments) so he can become an unfeeling monster. Even that fails.
Please take your preschool interpretations back to r3ddit.
>Griffith giving up his humanity (and thus his emotional attachments) so he can become an unfeeling monster.
being a flawed human did not mean he was not human. He gave up little to "gain" a state of supreme abomination.
The band was already seen as a tool to him. He was not a devil while alive, just extremely flawed.
His "ascent" which is a descent actually was made possible by sacrificing all he had left as a human. He did not love them or have any great care for them. They were valuable, yet expendable.
His ego, desires and pride were far above any lingering minor humane feelings.
You have no capacity to understand basic human nature.
Go back to your womb.
>sacrificing all he had left as a human
You are contacting yourself. If he was always a demon, then he had no humanity to give up. Are you literally 13 years old?
*Contradicting
He was a POS that couldn’t accept that he had failed. He wanted more than he deserved and he paid the price for his hubris. In turn he damned the world.
In some ways it’s a fall from grace, but the seeds of his undoing were planted long before Guts was introduced to him
You are just saying things with zero evidence or argument.
>you're wrong, I'm right
The very statement in your post may as well be dismissing the claims of other anons on the basis of zero evidence or argument against their point.
>One person has evidence
>One person doesn't
>Hurr it's the same thing
>He gave up little to "gain" a state of supreme abomination.
>The band was already seen as a tool to him
Impossible. The sacrifice only worked because he cared deeply for them
Casca mentions MULTIPLE TIMES how Griffiths concern for Guts is out of character. Guts is not just one of his underlings. Did you even read the manga?
>Casca mentions MULTIPLE TIMES how Griffiths concern for Guts is out of character. Guts is not just one of his underlings. Did you even read the manga?
Casca does not realize how petty Griffith is. She is in a fantasy world.
Did you read the manga? Did you use your brain? Read all of it.
Casca has no idea of Griffith's corruption and thinks of him as something else.
Casca interpret Griffith's care for Guts correctly. Griffith is just delusional about his own feelings. There is no other reason for Griffith to act selfless if Guts was just a tool to him.
>Casca interpret Griffith's care for Guts correctly. Griffith is just delusional about his own feelings. There is no other reason for Griffith to act selfless if Guts was just a tool to him.
Casca is incorrect. Griffith does not care about anything else other than his desires. Ego and Pride are his Gods. When these are offended his enters a state that he cannot truly understand.
Griffith is flawed and he acts foolishly, like a child with randomity and foolishness all in one. Griffith has discarded any capacity to act self-less and all his actions is via the prism of ego and pride.
This positive image you have of Grffith is anomalous and not found in the manga.
A major devil, he becomes that.
>He is le flawed
Having flaws does not equate to absolute evil
Did you write this with chatGPT, ESL?
>Having flaws does not equate to absolute evil
he had enough flaws to such a degree that he becomes a major devil in that world. His humanity was expendable and that was it. He is a satanic being.
>He was a demon and he became a demon, no one has ever struggled with their emotions, every character at the beginning of the story is the same at the end of the story
This is not how satisfying arcs work in fiction
Yeah this. It's mostly homosexual speedreaders who come out with shit like this. Griffith fricking throws away his dream, the only thing he ever lived for, because of Guts. Focusing on his intense feelings for Guts is literally what keeps him sane during the year of medieval torture.
>only him
>malice, friendship, jealousy, futility, regret tenderness, sorrow, pain, hunger
>giant swirl of emotion, all are implied
>That alone is what keeps me conscious
I don't know how anyone can read these pages and not come to the conclusion that Griffith is turbo gay for Guts. I mean did Miura really have to spell it out any harder?
well yeah she's a woman
The movies look bad. The combo of Cg and rotoscoping looks very unnatural.
No wonder Miura died. He just couldn't live with the shitty adaptions of his work anymore
TELL ME WHY
TELL ME WHY
TEHMEWACHUWA
When Griffith is fricking the princess, literally the only thing on his mind is Guts. But yeah Guts was a nobody to him, that's why he remained so cool and focused on his dream when Guts left.
>Guts was a nobody to him,
he was a nobody as he considers him a tool that should have stayed in its toolkit.
but the tool had a personality and left.
>When Griffith is fricking the princess, literally the only thing on his mind is Guts.
Griffith was such a homosexual. This is the gayest thing ever.
reddit
>I mean, frick her. Amarite, grif?
Remember when Griffith self-harms whilst talking about the deaths of his comrades? Truly a monster...
remember when he killed them?
Pretty sure that was a bunch of giant demon monsters.
He thought sacrificing his comrades means they'll just be prostitute'd out to old men like he did, he didn't know
He did the sacrifice because he already sacrificed people before. It was a dilemma for him. If he doesn't do the sacrifice then he doesn't achieve his dream and his previous mercenaries will have died for nothing. If he does do the sacrifice then he condemns his current band to a horrible fate, but he will receive the power to accomplish his dream at last.
That's some really cheap and ugly animation. Just look at that sword. It looks like it was drawn by a middle schooler.
People who say "Griffith was just a gay" and "Griffith was just a sociopath" are both wrong. Griffith has both sociopathic and gay tendencies. Miura purposely leaves his past vague but he is clearly a foil to Guts. Berserk is about the great evil that people are capable of when they are pushed into a corner and the great restraint people can show when they have been put through utter hell. Griffith is the former, Guts is the later. Not to be too libshit about it, but Berserk is about healthy and unhealthy ways of dealing with trauma. Of course I mean actual trauma like growing up in feudal poverty and getting raped in the ass as a child, not blue hairs getting trauma over doordash getting their order wrong.
Instead of trauma use tragedy or struggle
I think it's really hard to classify children getting brutally raped in the ass by fat old men and enormous Black folk as 'tragedy' or 'struggle'. Trauma was a good word until Tumblr ruined it.
Yeah no, the tragic things these people endure and the struggle and hardship they overcome works. Trauma casts them as I healable victims, but neither one sees themselves that way. Tragedy implies a sort of fatalistic undoing - it captures the source material better
Trauma is a loaded buzzword which comes with a ton of implied cultural baggage that doesn’t fit the actual narrative.
Stop using it
>makes up his own definitions of words
>declares some words off-limits because tumblr
Kinda moronic but also kinda based
I think we should reclaim the word and associate it with homosexual abuse, specifically.
>Instead of trauma use tragedy or struggle
Trauma is the correct term, despite the word being frequently misused in modern society.
Griffith stared into the void and the void stared back. Guts deals with his trauma by swinging his big sword like a real man.
Christ, imagine how much Griffith got Donovan'd as a child. A poor, pretty boy like that doesn't escape childhood without getting raped a dozen times in the Berserk universe. The only reason we know about Griffin selling his body to Gennon is because Casca caught them together. There were other times and that's why Griffith is so fricked up in the first place.
thank God i didn't go through the "i'm literally Gutsū" arc, and I thpught Dark Souls gays were obtuse
BIG SWORD BEATS BIG MONSTERU
Why did the movies remove any hint of Gennon being a pedo rapist? They turned all of his adolescent boy slaves into Griffiths. The movies don't make sense unless you've seen the '97 anime.
Why would you watch anything other than the original series?
Guts is the one person/thing that made Griffin forget his dream.
Berserk and Jojo, my two favorite heterosexual animes.
Guts knew
Griffith is a stunted child who cant decide between the people who care about him and his own goals. That's why he acts like he has two different personalities at times.
Everyone knew, except for Griffith
Berk
BRING ME THE SWORDSBOY
I want to read the manga but I feel like it's not gonna hit the same without the "Oeohueohua" song.
you can't refute that this is the best possible casting for a live action
worst casting ever. Moner is hot and resembles her, but wouldnt pull off being a legit warrior. Casca needs to be an athletic, slim build, probably pretty tall. She needs to be believable as someone that could kill a soldier.
>probably pretty tall
she is a manlet
ugliest griffith casting ive ever seen. he's supposed to look like a young bjorn andresen. also that guts is still too short
Hunter is an ugly man. Griffith is a beautiful woman.
If she didn’t these two wouldn’t have become super human and reach peak human potential unlike here
I imagine Griffith will get depowered down to a normal human again for the end. The berk armor is basically a malignant tumor for Guts and recent chapters have shown that it probably doesn't matter anyway when it comes to Griffith. Watch, their final fight will be a call back to their earlier ones in the Golden Age arc, no Femto and berk armor power scaling shit.
There is no satisfying "big" way to end it. It should just end with Guts conquering his nightmares, not caring anymore and fricking off to a new land while Griffith realizes he has achieved his dream but is still not happy without Guts at his side.
>There is no satisfying "big" way to end it.
I get that, especially with Guts' entire character arc depending on NOT killing him, but I don't see how a future confrontation doesn't happen with how things are now. I've seen speculation that Casca or even Rickert would have greater influence on what ultimately happens to Griffith than Guts, but I think there will still be a fight, and I hope it isn't over-the-top shonen nonsense.
NOTHING WILL BE WONG
Sex with brown tomboys
Stopped reading half way into the second book, need to pick it up again
>Another "Berserk live action, what if???" -thread
Frick off, mutt Black folk. Part of Berserk' charm is the medium the story is told in. There is no chance in hell, a live action would do it justice.
It would just be a Game of Thrones rip off anyway. Terrible idea. Too bad hand drawn animation is dead.
Touché, anon.
The BEST ending
I haven't read any new chapter since Miura died. Should I? How's the new guy doing?