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Do you agree with Biden withholding arms from Israel ?

Do you agree with Biden withholding arms from Israel?

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Treaty or Agreement. Biden screwed up bigly.

The list of screw ups is too long to detail. But Biden's attempt to make political gains is just another on the long list of his fiascos.

BTW, how many Americans are yet unable to get out of AFG?

No, he didn't. Wars don't end cleanly. In 1973 some 2,500 Americans were believed left behind in Vietnam, listed as "missing in action" because no one knew whether they were dead or alive; of these, 1,600 still were unaccounted for in 2015. The last WWII Japanese soldier surrendered in 1972, 27 years after the war ended. In Afghanistan, we lost 13 soldiers on the way out, with no MIAs or POWs left behind.

Real war is not like the movies. It's much more chaotic and ill-defined. The withdrawal from Afghanistan was considerably cleaner than that from Vietnam.
 
Giving the terrorists ANY hope is an absolute BAD idea!!! :rolleyes: It will merely postpone them surrendering.

If it weren't for terrorists (and I don't mean Arab terrorists) the modern state of Israel would not exist.







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Ignorance allows bad people to take advantage of/exploit the ignorant to do bad things.
 
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So you're suggesting giving land back to Palestine that originally was Israel's land and let Hamas have its way murdering Jews with no consequences?

So you're suggesting Israel should just take territory that is not theirs by force and constantly act in illegal ways?


You should listen to yourself and how you constantly defy your own "principles".

When it comes to murder and who has been "wiping out" whom or taking over another's territory, you might want to get yourself up to speed.


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More than 700,000 Palestinians displaced in 1948[2] with a further 413,000 Palestinians displaced in the Six-Day War.[3]
6,373 Israeli[4] and 3,000–13,000 Palestinian deaths in the 1948 Arab–Israeli War.[5]
654 Israeli[6] and 1,000–2,400 PLO deaths in the 1982 Lebanon War.
1,962 Palestinians[7] and 179–200 Israeli deaths[8] in the First Intifada.
1,010 Israelis[9] and up to 3,354 Palestinian deaths in the Second Intifada.[9]
402 Palestinians were killed in the 2006 Gaza–Israel conflict.[10] 1,116[11]–1,417[12] Palestinian deaths in the Gaza War (2008–2009).
2,125–2,310 Palestinian deaths in the 2014 Gaza War.[13]
250+ Palestinian deaths in the 2021 Israel–Palestine crisis.[14][/center]

At least 34,789+[15] Palestinians and 1,511 Israelis killed in the Israel–Hamas war with a further 1,900,000 Palestinians displaced within Gaza[16] and 500,000 Israelis displaced.[17]


How people seem to view all this upside down is beyond comprehension, but for putting personal and political bias over morality.
 
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So you're suggesting Israel should just take territory that is not theirs by force and constantly act in illegal ways?


You should listen to yourself and how you constantly defy your own "principles".

When it comes to murder and who has been "wiping out" whom or taking over another's territory, you might want to get yourself up to speed.


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More than 700,000 Palestinians displaced in 1948[2] with a further 413,000 Palestinians displaced in the Six-Day War.[3]
6,373 Israeli[4] and 3,000–13,000 Palestinian deaths in the 1948 Arab–Israeli War.[5]
654 Israeli[6] and 1,000–2,400 PLO deaths in the 1982 Lebanon War.
1,962 Palestinians[7] and 179–200 Israeli deaths[8] in the First Intifada.
1,010 Israelis[9] and up to 3,354 Palestinian deaths in the Second Intifada.[9]
402 Palestinians were killed in the 2006 Gaza–Israel conflict.[10] 1,116[11]–1,417[12] Palestinian deaths in the Gaza War (2008–2009).
2,125–2,310 Palestinian deaths in the 2014 Gaza War.[13]
250+ Palestinian deaths in the 2021 Israel–Palestine crisis.[14][/center]

At least 34,789+[15] Palestinians and 1,511 Israelis killed in the Israel–Hamas war with a further 1,900,000 Palestinians displaced within Gaza[16] and 500,000 Israelis displaced.[17]


How people seem to view all this upside down is beyond comprehension, but for putting personal and political bias over morality.

If territory or land was won in a war that's not stealing. The war was started by Hamas killing 1400 Jews on October 7th . All Israel wants is peace with no one killing them
 
Not sure if you're aware of this , but Congress appropriated funds to Israel recently to help them fight Hamas , many Democrats approved of the funding . Joe needs to win Michigan, that's what's important here

What's important here is that if the Democrats continue to demonstrate complicity in the Gazan genocide, that they suffer the consequence of losing all power and relevance as a political party, Which I think is what we see happening now.

Trump has an ENORMOUS electoral opportunity here. If he denounces Israel, he'll win in a landslide. Either he'll take it, or he'll drag the Republicans down with the Democrats.

Everyone who works with the war criminals in Israel from here on in will suffer catastrophic political consequences. That's what I'm seeing.
 
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If territory or land was won in a war that's not stealing. The war was started by Hamas killing 1400 Jews on October 7th . All Israel wants is peace with no one killing them

Oh, wow. The number went up. LOLOLOLOLOLOL.

Long as you're making .... up so Israel can go on slaughtering everyone in the world they don't approve of, why not just say 14 MILLION BILLION JEWS!!!!!!1 died on Oct. 7. Why not 14 TRILLION SQUILLION JEWS!!!!!!!1
 
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You suggesting America attack Israel now?

ooo ooo ooo ask me this one.

Netanyahu should get the Milosevic treatment. No reason he shouldn't. Going off the Kosovo precedent, Israel's got 83 days of continuous aerial bombardment coming to it. I think Israel should get bombed for 83 days, followed by its government being dragged in its entirety before the Hague, tried, found guilty, and executed or given life-ending prison terms.

We need to start seeing some consistency.
 
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But WHY did we invade Afghanistan? On a whim? No. Afghanistan had become a center of international terrorist operations by, among others, al-Qaeda, which attacked the US. What response should we have made to that? One could argue that the Bush Administration erred by expanding their operations from destroying al-Qaeda to replacing the government of Afghanistan, a clear example of mission creep. But they likely feared (with reason) that leaving the existing government there would mean a return of the terrorist organizations they'd just fought.



The war did not "cripple our economy" and it is empirically false that "all wars do." World War II often is credited with finally ending the Great Depression, for example. Here's what GDP looked like between September 2001 and September 2017, the length of the Afghanistan War; the only downturn was the result of the housing bubble bursting:



Well, the idea that Israel is a "serial killer" is a bit far-fetched, isn't it? They are at war with a terrorist organization, and in war people (even innocent civilians) get killed. That is why Union General William T. Sherman said, "War is Hell," after all. And why most sane people prefer peace to war. It would be Nirvana if we humans found a way to never go to war, but we haven't yet, so we live in a more ambiguous moral universe than "War bad, peace good!" Also, if you have a secret sauce to bring the two-state solution to fruition I'm sure the State Department would love to hear from you, since that's been US policy for decades.



So glad to see that you don't invest in making personal attacks, LOL!
Uh, who called who a narcissist?? Your posts are phony, ol Badger. You can dish it out, sorta, but taking it is another matter.
All warmongers who promote indiscriminate slaughter love the "war is hell" refrain. They think it somehow excuses their immoral stance, but it doesn't. And it never will. Poor Sherman, if he only knew he'd become an icon for sniveling armchair slaughter mongers. At least he had the guts to show up and fight. I wonder what he would think of America's "rah rah" militant army of nonparticipant couch potatoes today??

Thanks!!
 
Who is Americas ally? Israel or Palestine ?

I care about human beings not lines on a map.

Further if they're our ally they should be held to a very high moral standard.

Now Israel is building a new settler city in the west Bank. Allowing citizens to sabotage aid. Helping settlers murder Palestinians.

This is immoral thug Nazi behavior and enough is enough.
 
No, he didn't. Wars don't end cleanly. In 1973 some 2,500 Americans were believed left behind in Vietnam, listed as "missing in action" because no one knew whether they were dead or alive; of these, 1,600 still were unaccounted for in 2015. The last WWII Japanese soldier surrendered in 1972, 27 years after the war ended. In Afghanistan, we lost 13 soldiers on the way out, with no MIAs or POWs left behind.

Real war is not like the movies. It's much more chaotic and ill-defined. The withdrawal from Afghanistan was considerably cleaner than that from Vietnam.

Nothing about this justifies or explains the Biden directed withdrawal from AFG. The issue is the lack of adequate planning, failure to adhere to basic (commonsense, if you will) concepts, failure to heed advice from senior military leaders, intentionally fictionalizing events to justify he politically based failures.

But thanks for your pompous explanation of "real war", and ridiculously invalid comparison with Viet Nam... not to mention the last Japanese soldier who surrendered.

The AFG withdrawal was one of so many Biden screw ups... just like his ongoing withholding of munitions from Israel... including the "smart" bombs which would enable Israel to avoid the very casualties he professes to be concerned about.

Face it. Attempting to defend the indefensible is just embarrassing.
 
l. You suggesting America attack Israel now?

That's precisely what the world morality police should be doing. The only folks fulfilling their side of the genocide convention are the houthis.

The us should strike assault positions to ensure no more Israeli advanced are possible, and to force a diplomatic solution.

Never forget Israel attacked us first.

 
Nothing about this justifies or explains the Biden directed withdrawal from AFG. The issue is the lack of adequate planning, failure to adhere to basic (commonsense, if you will) concepts, failure to heed advice from senior military leaders, intentionally fictionalizing events to justify he politically based failures.

But thanks for your pompous explanation of "real war", and ridiculously invalid comparison with Viet Nam... not to mention the last Japanese soldier who surrendered.

The AFG withdrawal was one of so many Biden screw ups... just like his ongoing withholding of munitions from Israel... including the "smart" bombs which would enable Israel to avoid the very casualties he professes to be concerned about.

Face it. Attempting to defend the indefensible is just embarrassing.

That withdraw was one of the only good things Biden did.
 
Top Biden official doubts Israel can achieve 'total victory' in Gaza
WASHINGTON, May 13 (Reuters) - The Biden administration does not see it likely or possible that Israel will achieve "total victory" in defeating Hamas in the Palestinian enclave of Gaza, U.S. Deputy Secretary of State Kurt Campbell said on Monday.
While U.S. officials have urged Israel to help devise a clear plan for the governance post-war Gaza, Campbell's comments are the clearest to date from a top U.S. official effectively admitting that Israel's current military strategy won't bring the result that it is aiming for.

"In some respects, we are struggling over what the theory of victory is," Campbell said at a NATO Youth Summit in Miami. "Sometimes when we listen closely to Israeli leaders, they talk about mostly the idea of....a sweeping victory on the battlefield, total victory," he said.
"I don't think we believe that that is likely or possible and that this looks a lot like situations that we found ourselves in after 9/11, where, after civilian populations had been moved and lots of violence that...the insurrections continue."

U.S. Army Officer Resigns From Defense Intelligence Agency Over Gaza Policy
An active-duty officer with the U.S. Army publicly announced his resignation on Monday from the Defense Intelligence Agency and the service over the American government's policy on Gaza ― the latest official to leave their post in protest of the Biden administration's continued support for Israel's military offensive in the Palestinian enclave.
Army Maj. Harrison Mann, who has specialized in the Middle East and Africa for about half of his 13-year military career, distributed his resignation letter internally on April 16 before deciding to publicly post a "lightly edited" version on LinkedIn this week in light of the continued U.S. support for Israel despite its recent invasion into Rafah.

"This office does not only inform policy. It facilitates, and, at times, directly executes policy," Mann wrote in his letter addressed to colleagues at the Middle East/Africa Regional Center. "And the policy that has never been far from my mind for the past six months is the nearly unqualified support for the government of Israel, which has enabled and empowered the killing and starvation of tens of thousands of innocent Palestinians."


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Can a President alter what Congress appropriated to Israel for our Support legally?

Pausing shipment is not appropriating as I understand it. Pausing shipment on anything Israel orders after the fact is just what it says. As an aside: in a rollout a President can make adjustments if issues come up but they don't have the right to appropriate moneys for something else. When Trump threatened Ukraine that he would remove money congress passed for Ukraine if Ukraine did not give him evidence of wrongdoing on his opponent, Biden it was appropriation. That you can't do.
 
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How do you suggest Israel stop further attacks from Hamas?
They can minimize it but just like any other terrorist organization you can't stop it totally.
1. Stop trying to eliminate Hamas because we do not want to hurt their feelings anymore and may stop Michigan from voting for Biden ?
Hurt their feelings. What the hell are you talking about? Terrorist organizations are rarely, totally eliminated.

Didn't you know that?

2. Or, keep fighting them until they surrender?
Release them from Prison like Trump did with the Taliban?
 
They can minimize it but just like any other terrorist organization you can't stop it totally.

Hurt their feelings. What the hell are you talking about? Terrorist organizations are rarely, totally eliminated.

Didn't you know that?


Release them from Prison like Trump did with the Taliban?

So basically stop Israel from harming Hamas with the hopes no more rapes and murders occur to the Jews. Is that your plan?
 
Pausing shipment is not appropriating as I understand it. Pausing shipment on anything Israel orders after the fact is just what it says. As an aside: in a rollout a President can make adjustments if issues come up but they don't have the right to appropriate moneys for something else. When Trump threatened Ukraine that he would remove money congress passed for Ukraine if Ukraine did not give him evidence of wrongdoing on his opponent, Biden it was appropriation. That you can't do.

Congress appropriated funds to Israel for their assault on Hamas, Biden decided to stop those funds for two reasons. He didn't want any more Palestine people getting harmed and Michigan ( that has many Palestine voters there) is a must win state
That's precisely what the world morality police should be doing. The only folks fulfilling their side of the genocide convention are the houthis.

The us should strike assault positions to ensure no more Israeli advanced are possible, and to force a diplomatic solution.

Never forget Israel attacked us first.


so America should turn on our Ally and attack Israel