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World War Hair crosses the Atlantic:
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2024/05/19/woke-scalp-england-courtrooms-look-to-ban-wigs-for-being-culturally-insensitive-to-people-with-african-hair/
Money quotes:
It’s all so
tiresomeinexplicable.So its
(For the connoiseur, note the reference to citizenism at around 0:40.)
Something for you to chew on, Steve: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/articles/cg39x2jg5pgo
Seems a bit Jesus-ee
I think you are a solid block in the pyramid of logical, honest thought…but by no means not the only block or the total structure
How did you express the hyperlinks in the transcript during your speech? Were they flashed on a screen over your head? Is that why all Brimelow could say was “Wow, he’s tall?”
OT – San Francisco tries the Harrison Bergeron approach to math education:
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/22/nyregion/middle-school-math-algebra.html
In unrelated news, enrollment in Asian cram schools in SF is up 200%.
The reality is that algebra is the subject that begins to separate the men from the boys in education. Pretty much all nondisabled humans are capable of learning maf up to the grade school level and anyone can bullshit their way thru a discussion of a piece of literature. But if your IQ is say 90 or above, you are capable of achieving the level of abstraction necessary to learn algebra and if you are below that, you won’t, probably never but certainly not at age 13. It’s like pounding your head against a brick wall. Guess which group in America has a large % of its population at the below 90 level?
So there are 3 possible approaches to algebra instruction (at least at the 8th grade level):
1. Separate the higher IQ folks who are capable of learning algebra in middle school from those who can’t and teach it only to the kids who would benefit from algebra instruction.
2. Force everyone to “take” algebra. Also make sure that they bring their dogs to school so that the dog can also “learn” algebra at the same time.
3. Ban algebra as racis’. The Harrison Bergeron/Boko Haram/SF approach.
Only 1 of these approaches makes any sense so guess which one is not used in “progressive” cities?
NYT archived link:
https://archive.ph/v0vlg
70% of all food aid intended for Gaza is stolen by Palestinians.
When will this insanity end!
Having scrapped many good traditions of law in Old Blighty for reasons of Diversity, using it to get rid of a bizarre, pointless one is hardly something to complain about.
Duh, that’s why we read you.
during the pandemic. In some states, nearly four in five poor children do not meet math standards.
That ol’ pandemic. It’s like the Leftard version of Joos for Men of Unz. Everything bad is due to the “pandemic”.
“Poor chillun” , “some states” – it’s all code words for blax.
As long as the liberal establishment refuses to treat certain issues (“gun violence”, “math gap”, etc.) as racial issues they are going to keep prescribing nonsense (“gun show bans”, “algebra for everyone/ no one”, etc.) because the first step in treatment of any problem is the proper diagnosis of the underlying condition. Of course, they know full well what the underlying condition is because it is bleedin’ obvious, but they will be damned if they are going to admit it publicly.
Watching that video was an enjoyable way to start my day. Good to see you looking so fit, Steve. Thanks.
For the record, the replacement name for Brontosaurus is Apatosaurus. Brachiosaurus is a separate species, and a noble-looking beast in its own right.
The change in name for Bronto also came with a change in skull—and a much less flattering one, by my lights. I agree with you, of course, that Bronto is peerless (among sauropods, that is), and Apato is a wannabe nobody.
(Resolving such questions with my three young boys in the early 2000s will always be one of the great delights of my life.)
transcript:
https://vdare.com/articles/sailer-at-the-castle-what-if-i-m-right-about-race-etc-neither-utopia-nor-apocalypse-but-improvement-in-discourse-with-q-a
I’m confused on the proper use of the phrase “Men of Unz.” Alden uses it when referring to chauvinists, Jack when referring to antisemites. Who’s right? who first coined the phrase?
OT — Anon said,
Krish Pai, who “won” a major US science festival, ISEF, was exposed as a FRAUD! He completely ripped off someone else’s research. Oh, and he won a $55,000 award and a scholarship!
Details here: https://archive.is/Gxh37
Gee, if someone used slurs like that against your people, how would you react?
Anyway, how much do you “donate” to Sleazy Steve to get constant posting privileges, even for wildly off-topic comments?
Noticing What Steve Sailer Won’t, Post I
https://responsiblestatecraft.org/americans-serving-in-israeli-army/
Thanks. Education Realist has a number of posts about algebra (ER has taught the subject).
https://educationrealist.wordpress.com/?s=algebra
This is one of the more relevant to your comment (first comment by iSteve).
https://educationrealist.wordpress.com/2012/03/20/intelligence-and-algebra/
I first read that as “gun gap”. Now that is an interesting concept… How do we address America’s Gun Gap?
OT — Soldo on Georgia’s miniature color revolution.
I notice that the CIA and their simps are now generally referring to themselves as “Civil Society.” Because “the experts” as a categoric is so thoroughly trashed.
https://archive.is/fIno8
https://archive.is/fIno8
Given the etymology of the word “algebra”, advocates for eighth-grade (or earlier) instruction should argue that any resistance to teaching algebra is Islamophobic.
If you mean revolver cylinder gap, here’s an early attempt:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagant_M1895
One has to suspect that girls benefit much more from having Algebra moved down to seventh grade than boys will. See the work of Richard Reeves.
Thanks for this and the link.
Subcons are notorious for cheating on standardized tests, etc. Which is why most of their credentials from subcon institutions are greatly devalued and cannot be accepted at face value.
They aren’t the only ones to do this of course. Elizabeth Holmes scammed millions from supposed sophisticated investors for her “magic blood box” device which never worked. Of course her subcon boyfriend, for whom she served as a young blonde front, was also involved.
This kid was like a newbie hacker. The hacks he used were easily detected by older, smarter people.
This kind of fakery is also being found in a lot of normal scientific publications from adult and senior researchers who steal images and manipulate data and images to claim new and often exciting results.
Which is why this kid’s effort was quickly found. There are now a few full time “skeptics” looking at much of the “new exciting” finds.
The decades old “cold fusion” stuff couldn’t be replicated either.
Maybe this kid was aiming to be a CDC bureaucrat, a future Fauci…
You can see videos of American mischief-makers in Tbilisi if you go to roughly the 1 hr, 46 mins, 30 sec point:
They start talking about Georgia starting around 1 hr, 28 mins, 35 secs.
OT:
The Brits are going to hold a general election in July.
Well, clearly the “gun gap” exists for people who can’t afford a decent weapon i.e. anything but a Hi-Point.
Since the Cosmopolitan gun controller is 100% in using FOID cards to identify potential gun owners, let alone REGISTERED guns, make ALL confiscated guns be delivered to a special “gun gap” firearms depository where they would be made availible to people in need of working firearms.
For example, take Cook County, IL Sheriff Tom Dart, who wants to come to a voided FOID card holder’s home and grab their gun.
Look at all those guns that can be used to close the “gun gap” on that table. Confiscated ammo should also be provided to the depository.
Like the “bomber gap,” Americans should move pronto to close it.
Brits just like Rishi Sunak!
Interesting piece from Richard Reeves here.
https://aibm.org/commentary/the-math-gap-thats-not-what-you-think-it-is/
Per the speech, Steve says his big insight is that race differences must be due to some combination of “nature,” “nurture.” “Biology,” and “culture.” But is that really saying anything? What else could there be?
My impression is that trying to connect algebra skills to “working memory” or some other factor is just an attempt to blow smoke over the obviously true idea that is it linked to IQ, which blacks happen to lack (in large part due to unfixable genetic factors). Anything to avoid having to admit the uncomfortable (and unfixable, at least until we can edit genes) truf. This was an especially stupid study because working memory is not an independent variable but itself a component of IQ.
Obviously you need a certain amount of working memory to do algebra. If you have just subtracted 5 from one side of the equation you have to remember 5 long enough to subtract 5 from the other side. But really that’s not the biggest factor compared to understanding WHY you should subtract 5 or how you decide that 5 is the right number to subtract, etc. When push comes to shove, even if you had no working memory you could write -5 on one side of the equation and when it came time to work on the other side you could refer back to your notes. Of course, Javantagious doesn’t have good working memory but that’s not the real issue or only a small part of it.
OT — Anon said, regarding spiking mortgage rates,
It would be a ahame if something started happening to BlackRock-owned houses.
Saying it’s a “combination” is truly saying nothing at all. Of course it is, but culture is replicable. The current dogma is dependent on the notion culture or nurture is all, but in relation to this supposedly vexing question of intelligence, nature is all. “[T]rying to figure out how nature and nurture intertwine” is not even all that interesting, much less relevant or useful.
Steve sells himself short here. It’s sad that this is what it’s come to. Honestly, what was it all about then?
Steve is going all “nurture” on X. IMHO, He should know the difference between “nurture” (parenting/family culture) and the cumulative total of all non-genetic factors, including randomness (“environment”). But I guess Twitter norms allow more truncated and potentially misleading shots from the hip.
See the “No To Russian Law” sign – it’s a real tell as to whether a movement is organic or stimulated by the West – signs in English – even more in good English.
I’m still not sure what the US Special Forces plane was doing in Tblisi on March 19, and how many more times it’s been there. It was just by sheer chance I noticed it.
USAF Special Forces MC130J left Tblisi in Georgia on March 19 and flew to Almaty in Kazakhstan, returning the following day. Transponders were turned off for parts of both journeys.
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/08-6201#34709ba1
How long it had been in Tblisi and where it is now I have no idea, can’t watch Flightradar24 all day every day. But it hasn’t gone under its moniker 08-6201.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_MC-130#MC-130J_Commando_II
To be fair, African Americans also probably have more white admixture. But I’m inclined to think that nurture in its broadest sense is a factor.
“if”?
Regarding your next potential book project—try writing a deep dive on HBD in sports with a substantial section dedicated to MMA. Then, try to use that to get on Joe Rogan’s podcast. Rogan is HBD-curious when it comes to sports.
“Gee, if someone used slurs like that against your people, how would you react?”
He wouldn’t, because SS would flush them first.
What happened with the burst water pipe at State Farm Arena?
American Blacks! have been a separate population from African for long enough to begin diverging genetically and of course have significant white admixture. You’d expect them to score higher. I suppose you could point to the superior IQ and success of African immigrants as proof of the importance of culture (ignoring whatever selection is happening in outmigration from Africa to America), that is American Blacks! would be much better off without American Black! culture (which seems obvious). This is essentially the old liberal view behind busing, desegregation, etc.
But it all falls apart with numbers anyway because the genetic stock of a population determines the culture that will emerge from it. As Steve has said, there aren’t enough white people to go around. And fewer every day. It’s time to act and in dramatic fashion. It’s time for talkers (like me, admittedly) to step aside–to at least not obfuscate because…well I don’t know why anyone would. There should be a name for it–for making the long journey to the truth and stopping short because its revelation demands action.
Arriving upon the clearing, frightened and overwhelmed by it, we stop to find interest in the weeds at its border.
Also, endings are hard: they mean you have to abandon something you have long loved to do something new.
OT:
Motivational speaker (Grant Cardone) says unsuccessful White men are the worst kind of losers because they fail despite it all being handed to them:
I’ve proposed here a few times that FOID cards should be used to identify voters!
This is why “universal background checks” is almost always a lie. Those who aren’t in the market for firearms won’t be checked, and those who propose the checks presumably exempt themselves. If we’re going to have state or federal background investigations, apply them to every resident over 18. No exceptions!
Start with citizenship.
Exile on Irvine: The closet years.
*Passage division of Amazon 2026.
Thanks to Mr. Sailer for a fine speech, and thanks to those who provided the transcript at vdare.com.
Alden got dibs. She first used it.
Stop and frisk?
No, they don’t.
I can’t believe you haven’t touched the Scottie Scheffler’s bogus arrest yet. Hostile, low-IQ redneck cop claims lies about the PGA’s #1-ranked golfer refused to comply and was injured. Scheffler was charged with four counts including felonious assaulting a police officer. The cop kept his body camera turned off. But a news camera crew happened to have their camera recording the area and show the cop totally lied.
https://s7d2.scene7.com/is/image/TWCNews/jacquelyn_gwinn_villaroel_ky_1209
The Louisville police chief with the mayor (Jewish lawyer originally from Long Island, NY)
Agree that American blacks have significant white admixture. The African immigrants are from African upper classes, who’ve clawed their way up and likely have higher than average IQ.
But none of that is “nurture.” IQ seems almost entirely hereditary, provided there’s no starvation in childhood (which there isn’t these days, even in Africa).
“But”? What feckin point do you think I was making? (the one you repeated, if you’re wondering) Aaaaargh! 😉
Off Specific Topic, On General Topic
Steve —
Unsolicited advice is odious, so please take this as only a question.
There have been a few clues in a couple of your recent posts that you’re troubled by some of the views and formulations that surround you on the ‘Review’, and by the way they seem to be growing more “extreme” — extreme to the extent of being shall-we-say less than thoughtful, and much less than endearing or inspiring. Mr. Unz’s policy of publishing content he doesn’t agree with, alongside some he does agree with (and even his own), is supernaturally commendable and vanishingly rare. But a significant part of that content is now — “Now More than Ever”, to upcycle the deathless slogan from Nixon’s triumphant third Presidential campaign — undoubtedly scaring away thousands, and tens of thousands, of readers who would otherwise be ready to consider his work and yours seriously. Leaders of opposing camps will always paint you as the new Satan, but handing them more and more free tubes of bright Day-Glo-red permanent enamel is one — hmm — well, maybe it’s one metaphor that may not hold up under further extension. But the point is that many of your insights, and Mr. Unz’s, are important enough that I believe there’s almost a moral obligation to get them to more (and more and more) so-far mainstream-minded readers. And I’ll bet that many other members of the gang here will agree.
The situation is similar to what you’ve said about your “Deaths of Exuberance” studies — that they’re important enough for you not to mind other outlets stealing them as long as they reach more of the people they could help. As it is — as both of you, and a few other writers on this site, have lamented — it’s taking too, too damn long to get them over the barricades to the next circle of “influencers” (it’s okay to use ghastly neologisms as long as I put scarequotes around them, right?), enough of whom, I submit, are still thinking clearly enough, as they influence away, to be readers you ultimately want.
I can think of a few ways to do this without gutting the ‘Review’ or fleeing elsewhere, or elsewhere exclusively. My bet is that you’ve thought of them, and more, already, but there may be others. Would it be a good idea to put some possibilities up for discussion? And especially since the success of your book and book tour continue unscathed — or less scathed than many wise heads reasonably feared — isn’t this something of a fulcrum point?
And what does the class think? Kids?
Re. Wigs — The next time anyone’s in the United London Emirates, I can confidently recommend this place on Chancery Lane, two blocks east of New Square. I don’t think I’ll be a barrister any time soon, but I have a morning coat and a couple vests I mean waistcoats from here and they rock the Row.
https://www2.edeandravenscroft.com/legal#
It’s not good to drop any names of other people who may or may not shop here, but I suppose it’s all right by now to mention they still have this lifetime patron’s measurements on file:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Wellesley,_1st_Duke_of_Wellington
Destroying assets accomplishes nothing. It reduces the supply and bids the prices up even more. Maybe grandma is asleep upstairs and you kill her and now you are doing hard time for murder. Meanwhile BlackRock has insurance. Idiotic suggestion.
The BlackRock insurance company will hire its BlackRock contractors to rebuild with Blackrock jobs programs for its’ minions with federally insured and taxpayer backed lending institutions filled with BlackRock friendly lawyers… er ..scorpions!
Hol’ up, didn’t you just write to me (three days ago):
https://www.unz.com/isteve/is-steve-sailer-a-racist/#comment-6573496
Part of your brand is being racist. Are you saying your brand (handle) is “ruined” because of your racism? Revealed preference shows you actually don’t have a disagreement with Nazis over “racist”.
Racism, like genocide, is proprietary to Judaism, don’t you see? It’s in the Bible, after all. The Germans infringed on that.
But they were just a tad early; it’s now public domain. Sorry, Jack!
Right wing = fake news
Left wing = fake infos
No, you’re supposed to say nature plays no role at all. Steve is in trouble for saying the nature proportion is >0.
“credentials from subcon institutions… cannot be accepted at face value”
The worst person I ever had working under me was a woman from Bangladesh. She got hired on the basis of her having a physics degree which she got back in her home country. If you have a physics degree, you must be smart was the thinking behind hiring her.
I work for the military, which was a conservative institution when I began forty years ago, but which has now bought into “diversity is our strength”. The problem now is that there are a diminishing number of competent Whites to keep things running at a first world level. We really have to reject large scale immigration to this country.
Yes, because even if it was a mere 10 percent nature that would blow the culture hypothesis out of the water, again because nurture or culture is replicable. But I think most of the other side, not thinking very deeply about it, take something like “50/50” to mean it’s a wash, as if they cancel each other out.
What I think Steve believes is that culture doesn’t make for intelligence but matters nonetheless, and we should consider how peoples of different innate intelligence thrive or not depending on culture. One-size fits-all is not a good way to go about it.
But that’s not what I hear this business about the intricacies of how culture and heredity interact to make for behavior. Like he’s trying to make his infamous (and insightful) point about New Orleans after Katrina palatable to the Stancils of the world.
OT – The Tories are down by 20+ points in the polls but Richie Sunak has decided to call an election in six weeks, on July 4. I guess if they are going to get deservedly vaporized as a useless cuck party they might as get it over with.
Just this evening I watched two anecdotes of how changing ‘culture’ is reducing the determinacy of race (with respect to behavior).
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/social-medias-role-in-the-rise-of-youth-violence
https://www.abcactionnews.com/news/local-news/i-team-investigates/florida-plastic-surgeon-pleads-guilty-to-possession-of-crystal-meth-and-burglary#
In the 20th century, if you heard these episodes, you would have thought the persons involved were NAMs, but now the deviancy delta has converged to the point where it is not easily resolvable.
UThe Atlantic has an article today referring to “the white supremacist Steve Sailer.” Granted The Atlantic isn’t as influential as it used to be, but still, congratulations!
https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2024/05/charlie-kirk-podcast-ads/678450/
To avoid the paywall: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ar-BB1mQJ99
This is to give the impression the Japanese are lining around the block to become Muslim. Hardly. “Fastest growing” in this case means in a country of 125 million the number has catipulted from eight to eleven.
Apparently only men are “antisemites” to Jack D. There are no “Women of Unz” (even though the few women with whom I exchanged comments are pretty “National Socialist” here (paging Rosie, paging Rosie).
The Jew’s biggest weakness is… fondness for the Shiksa. 😉
You mean that bitter lady who thinks East Asians can solve math equations, but never know what they mean, but black performance is underrated by standardized testing?
That’s funny.
Al-Jabr is Haram!
Just based on https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-69050409 both Sunak and Starmer appear at least 2 S.D. better than our choices.
And if that happens, the Brits can stop being envious of the good government we are enjoying. British Labour party will certainly make U.S. Democratic party look efficient and effective by a country mile.
Just because you fight for a foreign country and would kill Americans if ordered to do so, doesn’t mean you aren’t a 100% loyal American. Israel is Our Greatest Ally, so it’s impossible that serving Israel’s interests could ever be contrary to America’s interests. That’s just science.
Thanks.
Okay I forgot the /s there.
You are wrong about that. Blacks don’t have “unfixable genetic factors.”
It’s just that – compared to whites and East Asians – African genetic history has been dysgenic due to the environment in which they developed.
For example, if you got together, say, the top 5% of the blacks and married them to each other, and continued to only allow the top 5% of their offspring to marry each other, it won’t take many generations before the average black IQ shoots up.*
The problem with the average black IQ in the U.S., in particular, is that the reproduction patterns are highly dysgenic – educated black women have lower fertility than educated white women with similar attainment levels. It’s not because of some sort of separate “unfixable” factors, genetic or otherwise.
*You might be unaware, but the people you referred to as “gooks” in another thread – Koreans, in particularly of the southern variety – have experienced a dramatic increase in IQ among the cohorts born between 1970 and 1990 – to the tune of 7.7 points per decade. Meaning their average shot up 15.4 points in twenty years (along with their height).
Blacks are also human beings like everyone else – under the right selection pressures, their IQ can also surge upward in relatively few generations. It’s just that the selection pressure – in the U.S. in particular – is negative and dysgenic.
I know you hold in contempt the peoples you refer to as “Negroes” and “gooks,” but try to understand at least a little bit of the science behind intelligence, heredity, and selection, instead of engaging in the dehumanizing talk about people other than Jews, all the while you wale about “antisemitism.”
So, in general, if you elect to serve in a foreign military, you risk losing your American citizenship. But serving in the IDF is expressly protected by law in the U.S. – despite Israel not being an actual, treaty-bound ally of the United States.
All countries are equal, but some countries are more equal than others.
Facts are not racist. They are just facts. It’s only racist when you lie and say stuff like “Jews control the US government. ”
This is what people don’t get about Steve. He is not a racist because he doesn’t lie or make unsupported statements.
The Koreans of the Southern variety also have the lowest global TFR. It’s Joever for them, just like it’s Joever for whitey.
Richard Reeves has a humorous story about chemistry homework and why girls in the middle grades do so much better in school than boys. As Reeves points out, there are a lot of non-cognitive skills involved in making good grades (being in class, listening to the teacher, writing down what the homework is, remembering to do the homework, remember to take the completed homework back to school) that girls in grades 7 through 9 are just much better at doing.
So you define being racist as lying only about Jews?
Or is lying about other races also racist?
“Gooks” is not what I call Asians, it’s what the Men of Unz call them and specifically you behind your back even though you imagine that you are one of them. Personally I get along very well with Asians, normal Asians who do not have transracial fantasies.
Your comparison of American blacks to S. Koreans is inappropriate. Korea experienced an incredible period of disruption and malnutrition, followed by an unprecedented period of prosperity (it’s really good to have America as your friend and ally) so there was a generation that was physically (and mentally) stunted by malnutrition followed by a generation that was well nourished.
American blacks have not had any such change in their diet (except perhaps for the worse as they are now overnourished thanks to food stamps – the #1 item purchased with food stamps is Coca Cola). And your idea of some sort of eugenic breeding program for blacks is a science fiction fantasy. Given regression to the (racial) mean, I’m not even sure it would work. Aside from the fact that it would be a total non-starter politically, every scheme ever attempted to close the Gap has failed despite billions being poured into various rat holes. The Gap (1 SD of IQ) is as close as you can get to a physical constant in the social sciences. Your views are sometimes surprisingly Leftist – most normal Asians understand that blacks are never going to be the same as Asians and whites no matter how much rice and vegetables they have to eat.
Back in the real world, black breeding is and will remain dysgenic for the foreseeable future and the Gap ain’t never gonna close. The Establishment doesn’t really WANT the dog to catch the car – too many people’s jobs depend on the dog chasing the car forever.
Not just science, but Democracy! as well.
When and why did Jack D decide to become a self-parodying troll?
I have suggested before that he achieved popularity here in the HBD tree fort by being edgier than most, like the nastiest guy wowing the other kids in 6th grade. But it’s apparently a longer, more interesting story. Here’s the second comment (from 2012, under a Giraldi column) in his voluminous history:
Was that even the same person?
It’s a good thing the donor class doesn’t have any influence over the US government’s policies, isn’t it?
Jack D said: Personally I get along very well with Asians, normal Asians who do not have transracial fantasies.
Hunsdon said: Personally, I get along very well with Jews, normal Jews who do not have racial supremacist fantasies.
Not just black breeding. All breeding, in welfare states.
Sure, but “donor class” does not = Jews and “have influence” does not mean “control the government”.
The joke here is putting Public intellectuals and the examined life in the same statement.
The greatest challenge of the examined life in modern America is survival.
And not just modern America.
I’ve been a Steve reader for 20 years now. Very grateful to him for all of his work.
The irony, however, of Steve directing attention to his talent for Noticing is that it becomes impossible not to notice what Steve doesn’t, or won’t, notice while directing attention to his talent for noticing.
You really are vile.
You can understand the pressure he’s under lately.
Mutational load building right up there with concentrations of THC.
It’s been going on for a while. In a book I read about sniping, issued by the military subjects publisher Osprey, a certain “Chuck” Kramer, described as an American serving in the IDF, boasted of killing an Arab in Lebanon in 1982 with an aimed shot at a distance of over 1,000 yards.
Does this mean we’re holding Israel to a standard we don’t hold other countries to?
No, that was some other guy. I have never read Giraldi, nor do I or have I ever endorsed the “whataboutism” expressed in this post. If only those who were morally perfect were entitled to act on the world or personal stage, then no one could ever act because human or national perfection does not exist. This is the sort of sophism that moral degenerates try to pull on gullible normal people. Hey, haven’t you gone over the speed limit once in a while – who are you to accuse me of breaking the law when you are a criminal too? America on its worst days sometimes crosses the line but for Putin (for example) war crimes are not a slip-up but part of the plan.
Can you tell us what law you are referring to? And can you tell us whether, as a practical matter, US citizens serving in the IDF are treated differently than those serving in the military of other friendly nations? For example, did John Paul Jones lose his US citizenship when he served as an admiral in the Russian Navy?
Here is the official State Dept. page on this question:
https://fam.state.gov/FAM/07FAM/07FAM1270.html
Strangely, it does not mention any special exception for the IDF.
The Flynn Effect is ovah. US IQ levels are now falling. We reached peak IQ a while ago and now we are on the downslope.
https://www.wtaj.com/news/national-news/study-shows-united-states-iq-is-on-the-decline/
https://thehill.com/policy/technology/3922608-american-iqs-rose-30-points-in-the-last-century-now-they-may-be-falling/
https://bigthink.com/thinking/iq-score-average-college-students/
The Romans put lead in their pipes and in their wine. What is our excuse?
100% environmental. Saying both mattered for IQ was enough to get The Bell Curve cast into the pits of deplorability.
For anyone interested, here are the results of a survey of intelligence researchers done in 2013.
https://www.unz.com/jthompson/isir-what-do-intelligence-researchers/
In the comments Gwern linked a more detailed presentation of the results.
https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.695.3163&rep=rep1&type=pdf
P.S. That was the same survey which ranked Steve as the best media source on intelligence (by a substantial margin). See page 22 of the PDF.
People seem to be missing Steve’s point (willfully?). I think he is also being a bit coy both to provoke the people he is arguing with and to avoid giving more reasons for cancellation. Here is an expansion. No idea if Steve would endorse the numbers (or even the reasoning) I use though.
Average IQ Africa about 70
Average IQ African Americans about 85
Average white admixture for African Americans about 24%
Average IQ Europeans about 100
Key assumption is the black portion of AAs is similar to Africans (e.g. not heavily selected for IQ by the process of slavery). The degree of difference between actual and calculated values gives a degree of support to the “some nurture effect for African IQ” position Steve is espousing.
Based on admixture we would expect US blacks to have an IQ of 0.76 * 70 + 0.24 * 100 = 77.2
Substantially below the actual value of about 85.
If that argument is insufficient consider the idea that the environment in Africa is worse for IQ development than the environment in the US. Seems plausible to me.
Yes (but you knew that ; ). ER has some annoying hobby horses, but she does bring useful background and data to the table.
Of course the Leftist Fundamentalist descendants of Lysenko will not accept any number but Nurture 100%/ Nature 0%, for the same ideological reasons.
Reasonable people peg nature/nurture at 50/50 in the absence of better data.
It is interesting that using your method, out of the 15 point African vs. African American gap, nature (i.e. white admixture) accounts for 7.2/15, leaving 7.8 points for nurture – this is pretty darn close to 50/50.
Unfortunately, while African-American nurture might be better than African nurture, it is (based on the 15 point gap in the other direction vis-a-vis whites) worse than white nurture. All the efforts at improving black nurture seem to have backfired or are worse than nothing based on the fact that the Gap has not closed at all despite the trillions spent on black during the last 70 years. Things that might be truly effective (e.g. discouraging single motherhood, formerly known as giving birth to bastards) are seen as totally off limits to the point where they cannot even be discussed publicly.
res and Twinkie:
You both refer to Education Realist as she, but after reading ER’s blog for many years, I’m almost certain that this is a man. I’ve always found all of his essays interesting and some quite entertaining.
One of Morrissey’s rare lyrical flubs
Wendy, I like how Steve has been operating, so my view is “don’t fix what ain’t broke”, but it appears you have improvements on your mind. I’m intrigued to read your specific (expanded) thoughts on this.
By comparison with the IQs of mixed AAs it’s fair to infer something is lowering African IQs below their genetic potential. By definition, that’s got to be classified as “environment.” Africa being Africa, there is lots of child malnutrition, parasites, diseases, etc. That’s presumably the cause of lowered phenotype vs. genotype IQ levels. For example, the average adult male height in Nigeria and other West African countries is 5’6″ and below — i.e., one full SD below the U.S. black average. Coincidentally, that’s about the same as the IQ gap between African IQ (70) and African-American IQ (85). )
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Average_human_height_by_country
But Steve deliberately (coyly) used the word “nurture” instead of “environment.” By doing so, he’s saying that better parenting or playing records or whatever could theoretically raise IQ by one SD. That’s nonsense of course. And if that’s true you would also be able to raise AA IQ by better “nurture,” which of course has objectively failed every time.
Steve knows the difference between “nurture” and “environment” (See e.g., Plomkin or Judith Rich-Harris). I get that Steve may be doing some rhetorical ju-jitsu to get blank slaters to embrace the low African IQ stats as somehow supporting their side. Or maybe he’s trying to soften his “race science” stance a bit by being on record where he can say “hey, I believe in environment too.” If he thinks taking this angle on Twitter is better tactically for his 50/50 brand or the mission of race red-pilling generally, then that’s cool. But I’d like to think Steve actually knows better.
Thanks for your interest. One strategy (used by Voltaire and others of the ‘Philosophes’) is to send the ideas out anonymously AFTER they’ve been posted here or elsewhere, with enough similar wording (and ideally even anagram clues) to show authorship later on.
I don’t know about US passports nowadays (I am not a US citizen), but those of the late 1950s certainly carried a statement specifically forbidding the passport holder to use it to travel to serve in the armed forces of a foreign state. I know this because I have seen photos of the passport Lee Harvey Oswald carried to defect to the USSR and it contains such a prohibition. The passport was issued in 1959.
Bueller . . . Bueller?
It would be nice if Ron could at least tone down the front page. As I write this one of the two lead articles splashed across half the screen is: “Which Way White Man?” with signs pointing in opposite directions for “Freedom” and “Jewish Hell.” That’s going to freak out any realist-curious normie who drops by to read this Sailer guy they saw on Twitter.
(The other main front page is an erudite geopolitical analysis of the emerging Russia-China-Iran alliance by Pepe Escobar so it’s a pretty mixed bag).
Excellent point. I had been wondering about that but did not chase down the data. Thanks!
I consider that one of the better pieces of evidence against the possibility of further environmental improvements increasing average AA IQ, but I think the likelihood of the relevant environments for IQ and height differing some (e.g. micronutrients like omega 3 fatty acids, schools) adds an element of uncertainty.
I tend to be more relaxed about “nurture” vs. “environment.” It seems to me that the use in “nature and nurture” is meant as synonymous with environment.
To give the other perspective, here is the first chapter of The Nurture Assumption (as you know, by Judith Rich-Harris).
https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/books/first/h/harris-nurture.html
P.S. A more charitable view of Steve’s actions in that thread is he goes after bad arguments (and false statements) from both “sides.” I consider taking fire from both sides a positive indicator for being in the vicinity of truth. Hard to do in environments as polarized as we have today though.
Thanks. Here is an eBay auction showing that.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/285800937639
I do not see similar language in this 1970 passport.
https://entertainment.ha.com/itm/movie-tv-memorabilia/memorabilia/personal-us-passport-issued-in-1970/a/7304-89125.s
I almost commented on the IDF and US citizenship issue earlier, but I was hoping someone more informed (e.g. Twinkie) would show up and elaborate. When I looked around I saw a lot of waffling language about losing citizenship only if that was intended so I was curious what happened in practice. For example, see this page.
https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal/visa-law0/Loss-US-Nationality-Service-in-Armed-Forces-of-a-Foreign-State.html
This is an interesting wrinkle: “not serving as an officer.”
One thing I don’t understand is I thought it was illegal as a US citizen to swear an oath to a foreign power. Do US citizens in the IDF need to take this loyalty oath?
https://azure.org.il/include/print.php?id=403
My understanding is there were citizenship consequences for US citizens serving in the British military prior to the US entry into WWII. And these were later resolved by a special law. I have been unable to find satisfactory documentation though. Does anyone know more?
Here is a Quora discussion about the overall “serving in foreign military” issue. Along with what looked like the most informed answer I saw.
https://www.quora.com/Are-American-citizens-allowed-to-serve-in-the-armed-forces-of-another-country-other-than-as-a-liaison-temporarily-assigned-by-the-DoD
Does anyone know for sure what the rules are here? And even better, how they have changed over the years?
It looks to me like the 2007 and 2012 comments in your history are outliers. Neither reads like you and both predate The Unz Review.
I can’t tell with confidence about the January and August 2014 comments, but October 2014 and later read to me as you.
Is there any start date for your comments you are willing to give?
For everyone, The Unz Review launched in late 2013. Here is the oldest archive page I see (Ron has had the unz.com domain for a while so before that there was material now on unz.org and before that placeholders).
https://web.archive.org/web/20131113165429/http://www.unz.com/
Be careful about equating commenter names before November 2013 with the present.
P.S. FWIW I think the res comments read as me since the start of the Unz Review. No idea if any spoofs have crept in along the way.
You’re welcome. Btw, I wish you would post more often. You have an urbane, subtly arch sensibility which stands out ‘round these parts: “Veev ladeefa ronts” as they say in French Harlem.
Perhaps I misunderstand. Seems like an unnecessary extra step—isn’t Steve already doing that here and on X, through volunteer proxies? E.g., Steve writes something and Tucker Carlson (a proxy) repeats what Steve wrote…
Interesting, thanks.
The EU has lost all restraint too:
“You really are vile.”
JFC, look in the mirror. You with your “Negro” comments are one and the same.
“P.S. That was the same survey which ranked Steve as the best media source on intelligence”
So who exactly were these people involved in the ranking?
A couple of days back when Brandon was visiting Chicago, a couple of US V-22 Ospreys flew near my domicile. I checked the Flightradar24 for Chicago and none of them showed up, so flying with transponders turned off seems like SOP.
You bolsheviks sure get angry when a non-white leaves the reservation.
I used to think so to (check my old comments). This page convinced me otherwise.
https://larrycuban.wordpress.com/2023/12/30/teachers-featured-in-films-education-realist/
I included the link for a reason. Follow it.
I also specified “intelligence researchers” which is really all that you need to know.
I really don’t remember nor do I care to remember. It’s just not important. Mostly looking up other people’s comments from 10 years ago is a gotcha game which I don’t care to participate in either way. Maybe Twinkie or AD were even bigger (or smaller) antisemites 10 years ago. I don’t care and I can’t be bothered to look.
IIRC I read iSteve before and came over here when Steve migrated here. What year was that?
“I also specified “intelligence researchers” which is really all that you need to know.”
No. It’s good to know who the people are in making the rankings. What are their bona fides? What are their biases? That all plays a role in who they ranked and why they ranked them that way.
More details. First, Jack included a good reference above.
https://fam.state.gov/FAM/07FAM/07FAM1270.html
One thing that includes is this bit of history.
With that in mind I ask again: Do US citizens serving in the IDF have to take their oath of allegiance? And note another useful page at the same location as the link above.
https://fam.state.gov/fam/07fam/07fam1250.html
See the section: 7 FAM 1252 TAKING OATH OF ALLEGIANCE TO A FOREIGN STATE
There appear to be a fair number of caveats. So maybe there is an out.
According to this 23,380 American citizens are currently serving in the Israeli Army.
https://responsiblestatecraft.org/americans-serving-in-israeli-army
Are any of them officers?
This page seems to indicate why there is so much focus on intentionally renouncing citizenship. It also notes 1,000 American citizens were serving in the IDF in 2014.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/1000-americans-are-serving-in-the-israeli-army-and-they-arent-alone
This 2015 account by an American who joined the IDF might be of interest.
https://www.vox.com/2015/12/30/10674432/israeli-defense-forces
21 Americans serving in the IDF had been killed as of January.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2024/01/23/americans-killed-israel-gaza-war/
P.S. Some details on Brian Mast’s relation to the IDF. It is not what he seemed to be claiming.
Yes, I see them. Well spotted.
Did you follow my link? Until you do that stop wasting my time.
AFAICT Steve started posting here in November 2013 at unz.com/ssailer
I don’t think he fully migrated to here until June 2014 at unz.com/isteve
Here are two of his welcome posts noting the move.
https://www.unz.com/isteve/welcome-to-isteve-on-the-unz-review/
https://www.unz.com/isteve/welcome-to-isteve-on-the-unz-review-2/
Hey. That means Steve’s 10th anniversary here (for the full move dating from the welcome posts) is imminent. Cool.
I did follow the link. First one works. Second one gets error message.
https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.695.3163&rep=rep1&type=pdf
In the first one, it did not provide any clue as to who specifically was involved. That is of considerable importance. Moreover, it stated that “Invitations were emailed to 1237 persons and at the end only 228 (18 %) participants completed the process (70 fully and 158 partially).” Seems to me that a fifty percent or higher return rate would lead to a more robust finding.
“You bolsheviks sure get angry when a non-white leaves the reservation.”
It’s gook, big chief, in your world. And don’t even pretend he’s on your side, when you even threw your own wife’s ancestors under the bus.
Strange. Try following the other link Gwern gave to a related paper (the other is a presentation).
Survey of Expert Opinion on Intelligence: Causes of International Differences in Cognitive Ability Tests
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4804158/
That has more detail on the survey sample, but omits the detailed black gap results and the media rankings.
Here we go. This archive page works. When you encounter a broken link it is usually worth trying the Wayback Machine.
https://web.archive.org/web/20160715042129/http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.695.3163&rep=rep1&type=pdf
Here are the posts where James Thompson discussed this survey.
https://www.unz.com/jthompson/genetics-genetic-groups-intelligence/
https://www.unz.com/jthompson/isir-what-do-intelligence-researchers/
And what looks like the final followup from 2019 when those survey results were finally published in a paper.
https://www.unz.com/jthompson/experts-intelligence-race
Survey of expert opinion on intelligence: Intelligence research, experts’ background, controversial issues, and the media
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0160289619301886
Full text here.
https://www.hoplofobia.info/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/2020-Survey-of-expert-opinion-on-intelligence.pdf
Much detail there. One interesting thing is how high the R^2 was (0.53) in Table 9 for their model of characteristics contributing to B-W IQ gap % opinions.
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/176137341202
This is the passport I was referring to. The one you showed expired in 1955. The earlier one was interesting though, because it specifically forbids visiting any Communist country of the time without special permission (the slight thawing of the Cold War by the time Oswald went over made it possible for ordinary people to go over, though it is noticeable Hungary was exempted – perhaps a reaction to 1956 and events after. The exemption was voided by the time Oswald used it to travel to the USSR).
Quite a few American fighter pilots were serving in the Eagle Squadrons of the RAF. After Pearl Harbor, they usually if not invariably transferred into the US Army Air Force. It seems as though any bureaucratic or citizenship hurdles were overcome.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eagle_Squadrons
They did not renounce US citizenship to join the Eagle Squadrons, if the Wikipedia article is correct.
“stop wasting my time”
That is his singular goal. Put him on ignore and be done with him.
Hi — did you get my comment, or should I send it again? Thanks —
I am not going to doxx her, but ER is a she.
She is also a nasty human being. She admitted – in an apparently unguarded moment – that she makes the lives of her Asian students intentionally more miserable (but really she claimed that “loved” them – even as she made dehumanizing comments about them).
She used to make all sorts of unsupported, disparaging assertions about Asian students, from which she had to retreat numerous times when confronted with evidence to the contrary. She’s popular with the “Asians only do better than whites in tests, because of cheating” crowd. Apparently, that chip on her shoulder came from the fact that she (and her child) didn’t get to attend elite schools (because people like her who “had lives” should go to the elite schools instead of Asians who are only allegedly test-smart).
And she’d fly off to ad hominem (“Liar!” was a common attack) as soon as someone poked holes in her assertions (you can check my comment history that intersects with hers). She’s not intellectually honest. That doesn’t mean she doesn’t sometimes make valid points about the state of education in the U.S. today, but many of her views are suspect due to the biases she clearly holds.
By the way, her highly prejudiced and unsupported remarks weren’t just about Asians. She used to claim that black students in real life performed better than predicted by their standardized testing scores – an assertion that is completely rebutted by data (they actually slightly underperform their testing scores).
Yes. My reply is posted at this link (you can reply to it there to continue the thread) :
https://www.unz.com/isteve/video-of-my-speech-what-if-i-am-right/#comment-6580082
That’s overly generous – and I think you know that too.
Thanks. Interesting to see how things changed in a few short years.
You were right to add the caveat. I think the Wikipedia article may be technically correct. They did not renounce their citizenship. But it renounced them.
https://www.334thfightersquadron.com/origins
Here is another Wikipedia article.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_history_of_the_United_States_during_World_War_II#American_volunteers
Anybody have a reference to the text of that 1944 pardon? I am not finding it.
P.S. Here is the edit which added the “renounced” bit you quoted. It also removed information about their first death in combat.
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Eagle_Squadrons&diff=prev&oldid=523098565
It also incorrectly (according to the current version, which says “Sixteen”) changed “16 Britons also served as Squadron and Flight commanders” to 116. Looking at the edit history, perhaps a relative of William R. Dunn?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/173.170.204.254
Is that right?
https://www.unz.com/isteve/blacks-vs-hispanics-part-298/#comment-6017780
https://www.unz.com/isteve/bimbette-who-took-down-richard-stallman-lets-talk-about-my-hair/#comment-3464584
https://www.unz.com/isteve/wapo-corrects-itself-nathan-phillips-didnt-fight-in-vietnam/#comment-2776156
https://www.unz.com/isteve/schrodingers-politician/#comment-1814551
https://www.unz.com/isteve/jewish-violence-at-ucla/#comment-6556892
https://www.unz.com/isteve/jewish-violence-at-ucla/#comment-6559088
Gee, you try to attribute it to some vague, amorphous “Men of Unz,” but you seem awfully fond of using that word. In fact, of all the commenters I have interacted with in the last several years here, you are the only one who’s ever used that word.
But suppose there are these “Men of Unz” who use this word behind my back – how would you know about it unless you were also one of these Men of Unz?
It’s interesting that the only person – so far – who has “agreed” with your comment here is Mark G (“Korean parrot,” “yellow coward,” etc.) who is also fond of racial terms of derision.
No, this is just one of your shticks, whereby you mean to disparage both me/Asians and white critics of Jews by tarring them with racism that you project onto them. All my life, I’ve experienced virtually no racism from non-Jewish whites (I married one and is a member of her family). The only notable racism I’ve experienced has been from… blacks and Jews (including on this site).
Yes. One of the challenges here is dealing with people whose views I have problems with (you gave a summary in your earlier comment) but who bring valuable information, data, and analysis to the conversation. As I mention often, I care greatly about signal to noise ratio.
I use “annoying hobby horses” (and similar) as a way of conveying that I think this person does bring good information, but not about certain things. In other words, caveat lector.
P.S. As you have probably noticed, I lose my patience with ER from time to time (and vice versa ; ). But I have realized that does not help having good conversations here.
Thanks. Just when I thought that I had finally solved the riddle of Education Realist by deciding that ED is male, you and Twinkie produce evidence to the contrary. This will take a bit of rethinking on my part.
I agree with you about blacks being racist but the only notable racism from whites/Asians I have experienced has been on this site. I have heard more antisemitic remarks here in a week than in a lifetime in meatspace.
OK, it’s decided: Education Realist is a woman. But her being a nasty person is not exactly a surprise and I won’t stop enjoying her writing—which is quite good. Also, one of her comments about black students seemed to suggest that they sometimes did better in life than their scores would indicate—which is just another way of saying that grades aren’t everything. And similarly, very high grades don’t always predict later success. I’ve known people who turned out to be good only at being in school. After the PhD…… it all dissipates.
The following is how Twinkie argues.
Me: Medical costs have almost tripled since 1960 and are now too high for this country to afford.
Twinkie (who is married to a doctor): Doctors dindu nuffin.
Me: Doctor incomes have tripled since 1960 while White working class incomes have stagnated.
Twinkie (who is Asian): That is because White working class people are stupid. Also, you are a kook, unproductive vampire, paper shuffling parasite and talking to you is the equivalent of talking to a dog!
The common thread here in these surveys is clear. It’s refreshing that you NOTICED.
A sample from your links.
What about the American Commies who fought in Spain? No doubt, FDR let them off the hook.
Then there was the Lafayette Espadrille in WWI. Oddly, we never hear about Americans fighting for the Central Powers or the Axis.
Stop making up bullshit. All comments are permanently on display here.
I patiently provided graphs and data to rebut your unsupported assertions and you got angry, made racial insults and disappeared from the thread:
https://www.unz.com/isteve/xenosystems-by-nick-land/#comment-6575998
https://www.unz.com/isteve/xenosystems-by-nick-land/#comment-6577549
https://www.unz.com/isteve/xenosystems-by-nick-land/#comment-6577663
https://www.unz.com/isteve/xenosystems-by-nick-land/#comment-6578390
Why would people in the real world tell you how they really feel about the Jewish elites?
Don’t draw false equivalence. You repeatedly referring to Asians (and me) as “gooks” is not the same thing as people making informed critiques of Jews in this country (you yourself make similar “by-group”‘ critiques of blacks or people you call “Negroes”).
I don’t see any “Men of Unz” referring to you as “Kike” or some such thing on this blog.
And the racism I witnessed from blacks and Jews wasn’t just here, but in the real world.
Face it. You are a racist – the real kind. You harbor contempt and hatred of blacks – your own words betray you – about blacks (“Negroes” this, “Negroes” that), about non-Jewish whites (“Men of Unz,” “antisemites”) and about Asians (“gooks”). And you project your own racism onto others and accuse others of “antisemitism.” Everyone can see your shtick, because all your comments are available plainly for all to see.
And the only people jumping to your defense (so far, only Mark G) are those also prone to engaging in racial insults of their own when they lose arguments on substance.
“disappeared from the thread”
The last time I talked to you I ended the conversation with you right after you compared me to a dog.
I have told you before I will not engage in an endless conversation with you on old comment threads. My comments are aimed at others, not you, because you are a hopeless case. Few people are reading old comment threads so I move to newer comment threads and leave comments there.
As for me being a racist, anyone can look at my comment history and see just a couple days ago I suggested Jews and NE Asians should think about joining Whites in a political coalition. I insult you because you insult me. It is as simple as that.
When I went to work for the military I took an oath to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic. This includes people like you who want to tear up the Constitution and replace it with a Catholic dictator like Francisco Franco. People who believe in the old American Republic out here in Indiana will be on my side, not yours. We have guns too.
Actually, I rated you worse than my dog in being monomaniacal. People can see the context here: https://www.unz.com/isteve/xenosystems-by-nick-land/#comment-6578745
You refused to consider or engage all the data/graphs I provided in response to you and went back to calling me stupid and other names and repeating the same simpleton slogans again. Even my dog can do more than one trick – instead barking the same slogan again and again.
What. Inversion. Among other things, you hurled all sorts of racial abuse first, because you couldn’t rebut my substantive points. Whatever insults I made in response to you were entirely about your behavior as an individual – not about your race, you ethnicity, etc. That – like Jack D’s resorts to “gooks,” etc. – is what makes you (and him) racist.
Good try, but now you are engaging in revisionism. In that comment, you insinuated that Asians “hated” white people, which is nonsensical given, for example, that Asians have the highest intermarriage rates with whites (and that’s particularly so for people like Koreans and Filipinos while less so for, say, Indians). You were engaging in “Fellow Whites” shtick, not making a genuine, earnest point.
What a hero! He handles payments to DoD’s civilian contractors – what dangerous work is that?
Have you ever eaten cold hard tack, carrying a rifle, while freezing on a mountaintop guarding the free world against a bunch of communists itching to kill you? Of course not.
Words are cheap. What hardships have you suffered? What dangers have you faced for our fellow Americans, huh? You’re not even a REMF. You’ve seen sitting in an air-conditioned office stateside, collecting taxpayer funded paychecks all the while hectoring others about radical libertarianism and calling me a “yellow coward.”
I have news for you – the Constitution has been torn up a long time ago. If anyone is going to restore it, it’s not going to be your fanboy hero, Ron Paul, or any libertarian. It’s going to be a Franco-like figure who fights and does what it takes to defeat the radical leftists who dominate the major institutions. And it’s not going to be people like you who vote for totally ineffectual pols like Paul and who shrug, “I did my duty for the Republic – I voted.”
First of all, you don’t have any guns, what’s with this “we” business? You are going to be a beggar to those who do have guns in extremis. Secondly, people aren’t going to defend you, because you are a “fellow libertarian.” Libertarians aren’t people who have altruism or group cohesion based on shared military service or common religion. So, dream on.
Unlike you, I have people – wife, children, in-laws, friends who have shed blood with me, friends who are blood-brothers and comrade-in-arms, friends whose children I protect and who, in turn, protect my children, my godparents and his family, my godsons and goddaughters and their kin, fellow parishioners and members of religious orders who have raised families together. I can go on. I belong to intersecting, organic communities that form a real tribe.
You don’t understand this communitarianism, because you are a radical libertarian, not a true Burkean conservative.
“intermarriage rates”
I was talking about politics, not marriages. According to the results of a Pew Research Center survey published May 25, 2023, 62% of Asian Americans identified as Democrat or leaning Democrat, versus 34% over on the Republican side. For Korean Americans it was even worse, 67% versus 28%.
So Asians, like other minority groups, are part of the anti-White Democrat coalition. I was pointing out in my previous comment that on issues like affirmative action, crime and flooding the country with low IQ third world immigrants, Asians have more in common with Whites than with their current political coalition partners.
Handwaving again. Why would Asians marry and live next whites at such high rates if the former hated the latter?
Let’s look at the numbers:
41% of whites are Democrats or leaning Democrats. Are they anti-themselves (white) too? People vote for the Democrats for a variety of reasons. Blacks might harbor some degree of anti-white hostility, but increasingly, those whites with college degrees and higher support the Democrats while those without college degrees support the Republican Party. Asians have much higher education attainment rate, so there are confounding variables, including education.
You hate Christians, but evangelical Christian Asians are highly supportive of the GOP and has been for a while:
As you can see, Asians who are Christians support the GOP at higher rates than Americans in general. Indeed, by your logic, militant atheists like you also “hate” white people, since they overwhelmingly support the Democratic Party.
15% of atheists support the “white” party and almost 70% of atheists support the “anti-white” party. Why do you hate America and white people so much, Mark G?
Did you know that until the early 1990’s, Asians voted for the GOP at a higher rate than whites did? Asians and Hispanics have very weak party ID and are more “gettable” than whites and blacks whose party ID is much stronger. Asians party ID, in particular, fluctuates a lot by election, issues, and candidates.
Already, surveys have shown than younger Asian males tend to support the GOP by a small majority, just as white males do by a larger margin and as Hispanic males do increasingly as well. There is also an electoral sex disparity at work here as well.
This isn’t simply a white vs. anti-white phenomenon. There is that, but many other things going on simultaneously.
Meanwhile, no response to all the other issues I raised, huh?
Preserving traditions is a good unto itself. It reinforces connections to the past and in so doing elevates respect for the authority of historical development/trial and error over momentary conceits of the day that are often so blinkered that they don’t know the basis for traditions they are destroying and thus disparage them as pointless.
How many antisemitic remarks compared to anti white, anti southern or other criticism/scapegoating of White and Protestant culture and history do you encounter on a daily/weekly basis from culture institutions either licensed or financed by the state or Jewish supported institutions or anyone else? A rough estimate will do.
We are due for a new Pew U.S. Religious Landscape Survey (previously 2008 and your 2014 version). It would be timely.
The Religious Landscape is Undergoing Massive Change. It Could Decide the 2024 Election.
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/05/14/democrats-religion-census-secular-00095858
“Meanwhile, no response to all the other issues I raised”
These are supposed to be blog comments, not essays. If you write a lengthy essay covering multiple subjects do not expect me to respond to every one. This is especially true in your case since you bring up the same talking points over and over again.
You are being evasive. I brought up political liberalism and race. First you tried to switch the subject to marriage and now you are trying to switch it to religion. My political beliefs are libertarian. A 2013 PRRI survey found 15% of Americans are libertarian and 80% of them voted for Romney in 2012 in the general election.
Asian immigration will not benefit this country if Asians continue to vote Democrat. The states with the two largest Asian populations, Hawaii and California, are Democrat states.
I don’t know about southern or Protestant but there is less antiwhite sentiment than I would have expected.
NYT had a big piece by Nikole Hannah-Jones, wanting reparations. The hundreds of reader comments were almost all unsympathetic. It seems even their leftist readers are getting tired of hearing about “white privilege.”
It’s not official statistics but I read many comments and it was an obvious pattern. Many “recommend counts” on these comments too. An encouraging sign.
I wonder if the rise in religious orthodoxy seen among the still faithful is related to this. No C and E church types means a “quality over quantity” dynamic necessarily must take hold for the religion to not become a white dwarf.
Probably an analogy to be made in the classical world as the cult of the city state faded.
Re: Americans in foreign armies. Nothing new in this, whether we are talking about proto-Civil War commanders fighting the Taiping or American air pilots over the Vistula in 1919. The issue is that among America’s allies, Israel is among the more likely to fire upon us if they deem it necessary and worthwhile. And there’s a huge exception in the INS code for what happens if “hostilities” break out for American citizens serving that state.
Why do you keep coming back to a fringe political website where the headliner page has Nazi apologists if anti-Semitism is going to be such a problem? (Res’ post was disturbing, how sane the front page looked back in 2013.) This place clearly gets on your nerves. And I doubt it isn’t a conscious choice, because you cannot seriously be worse of an addictive, compulsive personality than me, while simultaneously being the successful professional (former or otherwise) that you are.
Same with some military craft e.g. the Chinook near me in England the other day.
Your lack of self-awareness is stunningly on par with that commenter Jack D.
No. You asserted that Asians “hated” whites because a higher fraction of them voted for the Democratic Party than the GOP.
By that same logic, atheists who vote at a FAR HIGHER fraction for the democrats (70 to 15) hate whites even more! As do 41% of whites who for the Democrats (“self-hate,” I guess).
My point was that the fraction of a given population voting for the Democrats doesn’t necessarily – if at all except with blacks – indicate hostility toward whites per se. There are many confounding variables besides race in voting patterns, such as age, sex, religion, marital status, education, etc.
Didn’t you revile people “who voted for McCain/Romney” earlier? Oooops.
I take your challenges seriously and address them with facts and figures – evidence that contradicts them – one-by-one.
It’s a complete and total cop-out and evasion for you to claim that you don’t respond, because this is blog commenting, because you certainly waste a lot of words repeating the same exact slogans and making personal attacks. You and I both know that you don’t respond to most of the points I make, precisely because you have NO evidence to stand on.
Take your earlier claim that “the medical cartel” – made up of doctors in your earlier iteration – is responsible for the opioid addiction through over-prescribing. I showed the data that makes is crystal clear that only 1% (some 7,000) prescribers out of close to 700,000 are responsible for nearly half of the doses prescribed (something like 1,000 times the doses the middle 1% wrote) and that 99% of prescribers write doses that are below the CDC guidelines (and short in length). When confronted with this data, you simply stopped responding. Then later re-merged on another thread and again made the same assertion – always in slogans, rarely if ever with supporting evidence.
The fact of the matter is that your whole MO is, “Don’t try to confuse me with the facts – I already made up my mind.” And “If you keep trying to tell me facts, you are a dodo, stupid idiot, a yellow coward, a Korean parrot, a selfish rich person who hates white peoples” blah, blah, blah.
Grow up. Have some intellectual humility and learn to absorb information and data, of which you were previously unaware, and integrate them into your mind and revise your priors. Otherwise, you are just some cranky racist fool who’s just continually regurgitating his unsupported assertions. That kind of MO is just emoting and you convince no one. Are you here to emote like a teenage girl or are you here to convince others of your views with good arguments and sound data?
Again, are you illiterate? I write repeatedly about being an immigration restrictionist. I am opposed to mass immigration – including that from Asia.
The two whitest states are Maine and Vermont. Super conservative, right?
Absolutely true that atheists and non-affiliated have increased tremendously. Yet they still lag significantly as trusted people in public surveys. Also, while those claiming religious affiliation (which could be weak or strong) has declined in number, among the remaining “faithful,” the intensity and salience of that affiliation have risen.
Interesting times ahead.
P.S. Similar trend with gun ownership. The percentage of Americans who are gun owners has declined, but an average gun owner now owns many more guns than in the past. Smaller number, higher intensity/salience.
Again, interesting times ahead.
P.P.S. Don’t forget that the pro-Revolutionary segment of the population prior to 1776 was only about a third of the colonies. In both warfare and politics, it’s often intensity (and cohesion) that matters, not just the raw numbers.
“I write repeatedly about being an immigration restrictionist”
I said one time the government was going to be unable to collect enough taxes to keep up current levels of spending because the Boomers were all retiring and their replacements in the work force would be low IQ immigrants and native Blacks. You suggested we could help solve the problem by bringing in high IQ Asian immigrants.
It will not help bringing in Asian immigrants if they vote for Democrats and their destructive policies, as the Pew survey I pointed to indicates they do.
No, I did not. Quote me.
“I have news for you – the Constitution has been torn up a long time ago”
JFC, here’s that trope again. It’s intellectual laziness on your part. The fact of the matter is that everyday our political and legal systems employ it.
“If anyone is going to restore it, it’s not going to be your fanboy hero, Ron Paul, or any libertarian. It’s going to be a Franco-like figure who fights and does what it takes to defeat the radical leftists who dominate the major institutions.”
So a fascist or a dictator is what you seek, a man who will employ deadly force when necessary against his “enemies”, with the death of children who are on the “wrong side” being a feature, not a bug. After all, a Franco rightist can’t have the progeny of “radical leftists” running amok.
Thank you so very much, Jenner, if that’s an all right term of address. I’ve been online very little for the last six years, working on my fourth book — my first full-length nonfiction effort — and so encouragement like this is exactly what I need to zoom through the two or three years before it’s in print.
You’re quite right that there are many proxies — or, to use a derogatory term, sock puppets — who spread awareness of ideas first broached by Steve or Ron. However, evidently, and according to each of them, there are not yet enough of them in visible places to move some of their most important findings, like the traffic-accidents curve, into the awareness (if not the support) of a sufficiently wide educated audience.
What to do? More ideas are necessary.
Thanks again for burning my ears,
W
Ay Shaq unison ghoul —
It’s fine, I also accept JIE or Errican. 🙂 (One slight drawback of “Jenner” is the possible reminder of that other Jenner, which is not an intent of my chosen handle.)
Sounds like quite the effort! I wish you well with that.
True, but I suppose the good news is that Steve’s posting career is only part of the puzzle. There’s a lot going on.
Thank you for following up.
JIE
Argh, I’m embarrassed to admit that one escapes me… translation?
Et chacun à son goût —
Everyone to their taste…
Merci, d’accord