Hello. I have been investigating the best way to connect my XK-5 to a 145 or 147. I'm leaning towards a Boss Organ tube pre pedal. The option is there to order two multi pin outputs. My question is, what are the advantages and challenges of a dual leslie setup? I assume there will be variance as to how they change speeds. Will there be phase issues? would it be a problem to use a 147 and a 145 simultaneously? I trying to gauge if this would be cool or more trouble than its worth. Its for home use only.
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Two leslies are always better than one! Yes, of course, they will change speeds differently, they'll probably run at very slightly different speeds, and I always liked to set the treble horns on different steps on the pulleys anyway. Phase issues? The sounds will be out of phase due to the mechanics of what's going on (not out of phase as in +/- connections being reversed) but that's a good thing. The sounds and reflections will interact in a multiplicity of ways, changing every second. Imagine a string quartet for a moment. Now double the number of players and double again. There will be all sorts of phasing 'issues' but that's what makes the ensemble bigger. each time.
More than two leslies? The tremolo effect will gradually start to be more diffuse. I think my max was 8, including some 145s, 147s, a 125 and some 760s (it was 50+ years ago and I wish I'd written it all down, taken photos and recorded it). Still sounded pretty cool and absolutely no problem in mixing leslie types. 145 + 147 would be just fine!
Bottom line? If you've got the space and can afford it, then go for it and enjoy!It's not what you play. It's not how you play. It's the fact that you're playing that counts.
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I agree with Andy. although I have a an analog ancient B3, I found that dual Leslies (147 and 21H 2-speed mod) is a rich experience. A Hammond tech artfully set them up to run off one moon switch. Plus, if one goes down and needs work for some reason, there is redundancy. We learned in anatomy classes that dual Leslies is the only reason we have 2 ears, one on each side of our head. :cool:1955 B3, Leslie 21H and 147. Hammond A100 with weird Leslie 205. 1976 Rhodes. Wurlitzer 200A. Yamaha DX7/TX7. Korg M1. Yamaha C3 grand, 67 Tele blond neck, Les Paul Standard, PRS 24, Gibson classical electric, Breedlove acoustic electric, Strat, P Bass, Rogers drum kit, Roland TD 12 digital drums, Apollo quad, older blackfaced Fender Twin, other amps, mics and bits and pieces cluttering up the "studio."
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I found that dual Leslies (147 and 21H 2-speed mod) is a rich experience.
The bottom end of that 21H rattles the pictures on the wall.
Jim
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I couldn't find this in the XK-5 manual but with the XK-3c the digital Leslie is still available on the left 1/4" output when the 11 pin Leslie connection is used. If the XK-5 works the same way you have the option of adding a 3rd Leslie. Just connect that output to an amp and pick (or create) the Digital Leslie that blends best with the others. You could also set the digital Leslie to PR-40 and have it sound like a Hammond Tone Cabinet. You would also still have the Un-Leslied right 1/4" output available. Let no output go unused.
Edit: Never mind. I found a note in the manual (Pg. 15) that says the digital Leslie is disabled when the 11 pin connector is used. That's too bad, I use the 1/4" output as a PR-40 on my XK-3c. It sounds nice.
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Originally posted by andyg View PostTwo leslies are always better than one! Yes, of course, they will change speeds differently, they'll probably run at very slightly different speeds, and I always liked to set the treble horns on different steps on the pulleys anyway. Phase issues? The sounds will be out of phase due to the mechanics of what's going on (not out of phase as in +/- connections being reversed) but that's a good thing. The sounds and reflections will interact in a multiplicity of ways, changing every second. Imagine a string quartet for a moment. Now double the number of players and double again. There will be all sorts of phasing 'issues' but that's what makes the ensemble bigger. each time.
More than two leslies? The tremolo effect will gradually start to be more diffuse. I think my max was 8, including some 145s, 147s, a 125 and some 760s (it was 50+ years ago and I wish I'd written it all down, taken photos and recorded it). Still sounded pretty cool and absolutely no problem in mixing leslie types. 145 + 147 would be just fine!
Bottom line? If you've got the space and can afford it, then go for it and enjoy!
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Originally posted by JJMcS View PostI couldn't find this in the XK-5 manual but with the XK-3c the digital Leslie is still available on the left 1/4" output when the 11 pin Leslie connection is used. If the XK-5 works the same way you have the option of adding a 3rd Leslie. Just connect that output to an amp and pick (or create) the Digital Leslie that blends best with the others. You could also set the digital Leslie to PR-40 and have it sound like a Hammond Tone Cabinet. You would also still have the Un-Leslied right 1/4" output available. Let no output go unused.
Edit: Never mind. I found a note in the manual (Pg. 15) that says the digital Leslie is disabled when the 11 pin connector is used. That's too bad, I use the 1/4" output as a PR-40 on my XK-3c. It sounds nice.
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Originally posted by wengr View Post
I dont plan to use my 11 pin connector. Just 1/4 inch into the boss organ pre pedal, which will have two nine pin outputs for 147.But yes, I should still have another 1/4 output for the digital leslie sim. (if of course I understand this correctly).
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