i'm aaron armstrong in to you. i'm aaron armstrong in the gb newsroom. well, the eurovision song contest is underway in sweden , but it has underway in sweden, but it has been marred by allegations from inside the arena and ongoing protests outside of it. the netherlands entry used declined has been disqualified. the dutch broadcaster says it was over a threatening movement he made towards someone who was filming him, reportedly against his wishes . him, reportedly against his wishes. ireland's him, reportedly against his wishes . ireland's entrant him, reportedly against his wishes. ireland's entrant bambie thug, has accused the israeli broadcaster kan of repeatedly breaking the rules regarding its commentary towards their act dunng commentary towards their act during the semi—finals and the french artists. slimani has broken eurovision rules on making political statements. it happened during his warm up with an on stage speech calling for peace. an on stage speech calling for peace . meanwhile, peace. meanwhile, pro—palestinian demonstrators have been gathering outside the arena to protest about israel's participation . they've been participation. they've been heard shouting free palestine and shame towards fans heading into the venue. a number of protesters, including the activist greta thunberg, have been forcibly detained and taken

away by police . the israeli army away by police. the israeli army has issued new evacuation orders for various parts of the gaza strip as it expands its military operation. residents in rafah have been told to move towards a so—called expanded humanitarian zone on the west coast. around 300,000 palestinians have already left. however, israeli forces have also told residents in northern gaza to temporarily evacuate following what they say are attempts by hamas to reassemble in the area. it's prompted fears of an assault on two fronts. the uk and its allies have warned israel against carrying out a military offensive in rafah . a 17 year offensive in rafah. a17 year old boy has died after getting into trouble while swimming in the town of wellingborough . the town of wellingborough. ronald bell was recovered by rescue crews yesterday after reports that he got into difficulty in open water at the embankment, a northamptonshire police say it was a tragic accident and ronald's family have requested privacy at this very distressing time . a police

very distressing time. a police officer has been shot in the leg with a crossbow in buckinghamshire. the officer was responding to reports of a stabbing in high wycombe last night. he was hospitalised but has since been released. a 54 year old man has been arrested on suspicion of attempted murder . he was shot by an armed officer. he remains in hospital under police supervision with potentially life changing injuries . authorities in ibiza injuries. authorities in ibiza and mallorca have issued a new booze ban in an effort to crack down on what they have called excessive tourism. the sale of alcohol in shops and off licences will be banned from 9:30 in the evening until 8 am. in popular hotspots like magaluf, playa de palma and sant antoni . there will also be antoni. there will also be further restrictions on party boats. it's all an attempt to kerb anti—social behaviour and booze fuelled holidays following complaints from local people. those who break the law could be fined up to £1,300. and if you're suffering a bout of regret from missing the rare

display of the northern lights last night , display of the northern lights last night, well, don't worry, there's another opportunity later tonight. aurora borealis will be visible in the skies across many parts of the uk. it may not be quite as pronounced as it was yesterday, but should still be visible if you're staying up well, a couple more hours should do it any time. after half ten. we'll be best. gb news alerts are available. you can scan the qr code on your screen or go to our website for more details. that's the news. now let's get back to the real business. here's . mark. business. here's. mark. >> thanks, aaron. welcome to a busy mark dolan tonight. in the big story, former labour leader neil kinnock says the public do not love keir starmer. does it matter? do we need to actually like those who lead us? i'll be asking . britain's best known asking. britain's best known double act, the hamiltons, in a mock meat special world cup winning south african captain francois pienaar. >> mr mandela would be very sad

and very angry. there are certain things i hate in the movie up and then i couldn't drive home because it's too far. so i slept in the car , the man so i slept in the car, the man who made history with nelson mandela tells his incredible story. >> shortly in my take at ten. why it's time for the king and the country to forgive harry. yes, indeed . i'll be dealing yes, indeed. i'll be dealing with harry at 10:00. plus, it's hard working princess anne, the jewel in the royal crown in reacting to those stories and many more. tonight my top pundits, doctor lisa mckenzie, mike reid and mark littlewood . mike reid and mark littlewood. plus the most important part of the show your messages . they the show your messages. they come straight to my laptop. gbnews.com forward slash your essay and this show has a golden rule we don't do boring. not on my watch. i just won't have it. a big two hours to come. mark dolan tonight is your perfect saturday night in and we start with my big opinion . katie

with my big opinion. katie price, the artist formerly known as jordan, is never out of the headunes. as jordan, is never out of the headlines . back in the day, the headlines. back in the day, the woman who pretty much single handedly invented the idea of being famous for being famous adorned the front cover of lads mags and her questionable plastic surgery journey and romantic highs and lows, have been selling papers for two decades as the human manifestation of an end of pier saucy postcard. this surgically enhanced star, who was once reportedly worth £60 million, has fallen on hard times and this weekend is on the front pages for all the wrong reasons. the press report that katie price has been priced out of her own home with an eviction notice served on her so—called mucky

mansion estate, a star of that scale of that fame potentially homeless. many will read the story with amusement, as it is human nature to enjoy watching someone tumble from their pedestal . but as someone that pedestal. but as someone that actually knows katie price pretty well, i find the story tragic. katie and i, we used to present a show together at the music station on fubar, and i found her to be a warm , found her to be a warm, entertaining, and hilarious co—host. an astute media manipulator, she used to drop wild and highly personal bits of information about her private life on the show. knowing that avaricious scribblers in fleet street would have these revelations published in seconds. when i was working with her, she lived for the headlines and understood that fame itself was her business model . but this was her business model. but this news of her eviction from her

own home and her ongoing catastrophic finances is sad because it affects not only her, but her family, namely her five children, including her son harvey, who she has nurtured through physical and mental disability. he's a great kid who has done well despite being blind and autistic . from where blind and autistic. from where i was standing all those years ago, katie price struck me as a devoted mother . i have no reason devoted mother. i have no reason to think that that has changed. ultimately, i see katie price as the victim of an all consuming media machine, which chews up its stars and then spits them out in a manner not dissimilar to marilyn monroe . and as with to marilyn monroe. and as with marilyn, the men in katie's life haven't helped. it strikes me that many of her exes have taken more than they gave . it's my more than they gave. it's my view that she was used for sex

and used for money, and used for fame. now she has been foolish , fame. now she has been foolish, reckless and at times her behaviour has been deeply wrong. the tax bills that haven't been paid , driving a car when she paid, driving a car when she shouldn't, the drugs, the alcohol, the expensive holidays that she patently can't afford. this charismatic, cheeky, funny but flawed individual is her own worst enemy . but katie price is worst enemy. but katie price is not a bad person . she, in fact not a bad person. she, in fact is a great british character and ihope is a great british character and i hope that she can dig herself out of this current hole if she gets clean and finds a decent bloke. happiness is possible and even a future career because she is highly entertained . here she is highly entertained. here she is highly entertained. here she is appearing on this very show last year and making headlines as usual . last year and making headlines as usual. this comes first, doesn't it? >> well, yeah, like tonight , >> well, yeah, like tonight, literally, if you saw what i've got on underneath. in fact, i

haven't got anything on because i've just sorted harvey out. the kids are out there and i'm like, kids, you've got to be quiet while i'm on. >> brilliant stuff. katie price is nothing if not a survivor. so under estimate her at your peril. but it could go one of two ways. she may bounce back, but she may not. which worries me . ultimately, she needs to me. ultimately, she needs to change and change fast . an change and change fast. an escape. the doom loop of bad life decisions . if she doesn't, life decisions. if she doesn't, katie will pay the ultimate price . your reaction? gbnews.com price. your reaction? gbnews.com forward slash your say. i'll get to your messages shortly, but first, tonight's top pundits . we first, tonight's top pundits. we have anarchist and senior lecturer, doctor lisa mckenzie . lecturer, doctor lisa mckenzie. i'm also delighted to say we have broadcasting legend mike

reid and political policy guru mark littlewood. great to have all three of you with me in the studio. well, lisa, how do you solve a problem like katie pfice? >>i pfice? >> i don't think katie price is actually the problem. i think the problem is the way that the media or our society sees women. actually, katie price is not the first woman that's been sort of sacrificed at the altar of the media. i mean , there's the film media. i mean, there's the film back to black amy winehouse about amy winehouse. you know what was she her own worst enemy? was she was she the fault? >> caroline flack, who, of course, took her own life. >> caroline flack. we also had anna nicole smith, you know, this is this is i'm not saying it's common, but i think it is common the way that society and media treat women. you're either i mean, you know , the amount of i mean, you know, the amount of stick i get two bossy, two in your face.

>> you know, when you come on this show . this show. >> well, i come on this show or when i, you know, or in real life, right. as a woman, you are constantly judged . constantly judged. >> okay. i mean look mike reid, you've been at the heart of celebrity culture for decades. do you think there is something wrong in the media, something poisonous there. >> it's eras tour. no, i mean i did the jungle with her. we did i'm a celebrity together when she and peter got together and went to the wedding, were you chaperoned? >> did you were you matchmaker, no. but i was there when it's all happening , and. and peter all happening, and. and peter said, oh, mate, i don't think she likes me. i said , it's an she likes me. i said, it's an old schoolyard game, peter. she's playing hard to get. no, no, she doesn't like me. i said no, she doesn't like me. i said no, no, no, trust me, ended up at the wedding. but i think peter always listen to uncle mike. >> wasn't a good wedding, by the way. >> i went to the wedding. yeah, and then when they split up, peter said, could you do all the tv for us? because i really don't want to do it. i said, you know what happened, but i think peter would have kept her on the straight and narrow. peter is a very decent, very good, very hard working guy. very talented quy- hard working guy. very talented guy. i think if they'd stuck

together, he might have kept her on. i think you need another person in your life. that's not as you were saying, not somebody that's taking from her. somebody that's taking from her. somebody that's giving as well. somebody that's giving as well. somebody that's saying, look, let's sit down and talk about this. you know, the driving situation, this situation, because she can make money. i mean, she's got the book. she's got her talent , the book. she's got her talent, she's got appearances. there's no reason why she can't go out and make an awful lot of money. but you need a partner that's going to actually keep you on the straight and narrow that you're going to listen to, is there a problem with celebrity culture mark in this country? is it exploitative? does it chew people up and spit them out? >> well, perhaps it does, mark. but you said in your piece at the top of the show, you know, or well , i've never met her, but or well, i've never met her, but she's a brilliant media manipulator. but she's a brilliant media manipulator . but actually, her manipulator. but actually, her career was largely based on her manipulating the media, not the media manipulating her. that can come back to bite you. i mean, l, come back to bite you. i mean, i, i am very sceptical about anyone who wants to build their life around being famous for being famous , as you suggested. being famous, as you suggested. but she's she's ridden this

horse , she's written this wave, horse, she's written this wave, and mike mentions her books. i was looking up . she's one of the was looking up. she's one of the best selling, writers of books over the last ten years because she's famous. she's the new charles dickens. yeah well, not possibly on quantum, not necessarily on quantity , but she necessarily on quantity, but she has, you know, she has milked this. i don't blame her for that. >> but it seems she has had more breast implants than charles dickens. >> yeah, for sure. >> yeah, for sure. >> most definitely. >> most definitely. >> oh, he was famously flat chested. mark. this dovetails with politics which has become a bit of a celebrity game itself, particularly the likes of donald trump and boris johnson, who who had cut through not just as politicians but as public figures. >> and it's vital to do that if you're trying to win. what is it, 14 million votes or something? to win an election, you need cut through with people. you need to be famous. politicians need to be famous. and i know you're discussing later. do they need to be liked? they probably need to be liked, but they definitely need to be known. they need to be media manipulators too. there you go. >> well, this is my top pundits return shortly . but next up in return shortly. but next up in the big story, former labour leader neil kinnock says the

pubuc leader neil kinnock says the public do not love kie starmer. doesit public do not love kie starmer. does it matter? do we need to like those who lead us? i'll be asking. britain's best known political double act, the hamiltons .

next. well, the reality star, katie price is to face eviction from her mucky mansion. i know katie price very well. we did a radio show together . i think it's very show together. i think it's very sad. and it says a lot about how the media chews up celebrities and spits them out. but not too much sympathy on the message board. gb news.com/your say katie price says helen has been bankrupt so many times , yet she bankrupt so many times, yet she always has money to splash. maybe she does not need help. personally, i think that she's a victim of her own making, that's from helen, who is a gb news

member. also so i've already got tongues wagging about my take at ten. yes, in 40 minutes time, i'll be tackling prince harry. i think it's time for the king. and the country to forgive harry. but already you're getting in there early with your disagreements. hi mark. i think disagreements. hi mark. ithink that the royal family are currently absolutely right to keep their distance from prince harry. sadly, he cannot be trusted and as long as his situation remains, it is best he stays in the usa. well, i'll be tackling harry at 10:00 in my take at ten. you won't want to . take at ten. you won't want to. miss it, but lots more to get through. it's time for the big story. and this evening the former leader of the labour party, neil kinnock, has cast some doubt on labour's chances at the next election. whilst he said he remains hopeful for a positive result. the public haven't made their mind up about the party and don't love sir keir starmer yet, but does that

matter? do we need to like those who lead us? let's get reaction from my pundits before we speak to the hamiltons. we've got the brilliant broadcaster and academic doctor, lisa mckenzie, mike reid and mark littlewood. what do you think about this mark? do we need to love our leaders? >> you don't need to love them or like them, mark, but i think you probably need to respect them and trust them. but the other thing to bear in mind is, of course, politics is basically a zero sum game. you'll find that elections are often not won by somebody who's loved or admired, but simply by the candidate who's disliked the least. and it seems to me that this is pretty much keir starmer of the labour party's strategy . of the labour party's strategy. it's a bit like a football match between two very poor teams . one between two very poor teams. one of them is still going to win and keir starmer doesn't need to be liked to be prime minister. he just needs to be more respected and trusted than rishi sunak. that's the only thing that will be on his mind. >> mike reid, do you think politicians have to be loved, or do they just have to be good at

theirjob? their job? >> i think theirjob? >> i think everybody likes to be loved, don't they? i think if you're if you go to a restaurant that serves great food , you love that serves great food, you love the food. but if the restaurateur is ghastly , you restaurateur is ghastly, you probably don't go back. so i think it is good to be loved if you're at the helm of something, it certainly helps. it certainly helps galvanise the people around you. as i always said, the best captain is not necessarily the best batsman or bowler or highest goal scorer. it's the one that galvanises the rest of the team , and the rest rest of the team, and the rest of the team want to get behind them and believe in them. like a robert e lee or somebody like that. you actually inspire the people around you. that's what you need. >> okay, now the good news is the hamiltons are ready to go. but lisa, before i speak to neil and christine, do you think that keir starmer's lack of popularity as an individual could do for him at the next election, i don't think it's going to do for him, but i actually agree with neil kinnock. he's not loved. i don't think he's even liked, i'm not sure how much the labour party is even liked, but they are less

despised than the tories . despised than the tories. >> well, that that's certainly one way of putting it. >> let's get reaction now from britain's best known political double act, the extremely lovable hamiltons neil and christine. now, neil, you've beenin christine. now, neil, you've been in politics for a long time . you're currently chairs, you're currently leader neil, of a national political party. ukip do leaders need to be loved? >> well, it helps , i suppose, >> well, it helps, i suppose, but i don't think a desire to be loved is going to be in the forefront of the mind of a successful leader in politics. >> what really matters is the ideas you've got and the way you execute them, and whether you improve people's lives. and they then recognise what you've done for them. and margaret thatcher didn't obsess about being liked and loved , but she changed the and loved, but she changed the world or helped to change the world. john major did obsess about being liked and loved, and he was a complete and utter flop, and, but in the case of

keir starmer and rishi sunak , keir starmer and rishi sunak, neither of them has the slightest, connect with the ordinary voter. the ordinary voter thinks they're both completely irrelevant. they're kind of celluloid characters. or rather, they're more particularly, they're hologram . particularly, they're hologram. so you can put your hand right through them. as far as most people are concerned, they're charisma free zones. well, definitely . definitely. >> i want to ask you, christine, what is more important in politics and in government competence or charisma, well, that's the difficult question. whether it's, competence ought to be like, there's no question. obviously it's competence, but competence or charisma, if you've got both, then you've got it made. and the last person who had both was margaret thatcher, in my view. and actually tony blair had it. tony blair had competence and charisma. i didn't didn't agree. sorry with a lot of what he did. but he he was for his purposes. he was competent and charismatic. now i

mean we've got solid porridge haven't we? i mean, does does rishi sunak inspire you to do anything to go out and fight for your country? not really . does your country? not really. does soonen your country? not really. does sooner. does starmer know starmer is not going to win on either people believing in his competence or people attracted by his charisma? starmer is going to win, as he probably will, because people don't want rishi. it's time for a change and that is an incredibly powerful force. time for a change. and starmer , who change. and starmer, who frankly, he's almost a charisma free vote zone. the people with charisma in the labour party are, i mean, frankly, let's be honest, they're the people like angela rayner . and honest, they're the people like angela rayner. and i'm not quite sure what's happened to her, by the way, on the house front, any news on that? >> still waiting . >> still waiting. >> still waiting. >> day 377 of that particular drama . of course, supporters of drama. of course, supporters of keir starmer would argue he's incredibly loved. he's incredibly loved. he's incredibly popular. just look at those opinion polls. and now, neil, you served under margaret

thatcher from 1983. she wasn't always loved. she was a controversial figure . but she controversial figure. but she won three elections with a landslide. what does that tell us? >> well, it tells us that given the circumstances in which those elections were fought at the end of the cold war, she managed to transform the british economy by taming the unions, by cutting taxes, doing all the things that traditionally the tories expected to do. the trouble with this lot is they've not acted like conservatives at all. they completely failed right across the political landscape. >> and neil, just to just to interrupt you, i'm old enough to remember when margaret thatcher was in power and she was willing to be unpopular, and she was unpopular between elections and her ratings often fell very low. >> but it didn't seem to impact the outcome. >> no. well, that's absolutely right. you know , after the 1979 right. you know, after the 1979 election, the government changed course dramatically from the winter of discontent and the

utter failure of the 1970s. under heath and then wilson and then callaghan, and it wasn't until the falklands war that the opinion polls turned decisively in margaret thatcher's favour in 1981, famously, there were 364 world famous economists who said that the government was completely wrong about the policies that they were pursuing. and within days, i suppose, they were disproved. and then the falklands war happenedin and then the falklands war happened in 1983. she won with a majority of 144. i was one of those who was part of that majority, and again in 87, she won another famous victory , vie. won another famous victory, vie. but, you know, she didn't really she wasn't entirely uncalculating as a politician, obviously , but she ultimately obviously, but she ultimately knew what the most important things were to achieve . and she

things were to achieve. and she pursued those objectives against every possible, abuse. and, and imprecation that was thrown at her. and that's what we lack with our current generation of politicians. they obsessing about social media, obsessing about social media, obsessing about opinion polls. they're obsessing about whatever happens to be the latest fashion . we to be the latest fashion. we don't what is the difference, actually, between the modern conservative party and keir starmers labour party? i mean, starmers labour party? i mean, starmer is thrown every possible labour policy overboard so he can fight the election on no policies at all. and the conservative party has virtually no policies either, so there's really no difference between the two parties. there is no choice. no, no, that's democracy . no, no, that's democracy. >> christine, i've only got a couple of seconds left. i don't think keir starmer is loved yet, but neil hamilton very loved in the country and at home. what's his secret? >> oh, don't be absurd, mark. we are very aware that we're marmite. for heaven's sake .

marmite. for heaven's sake. >> i don't think so. i think you're i think you're strawberry jam . jam. >> no. i'm bovril. >> no. i'm bovril. >> shut up. you've had your. he's had his turn. >> i thought he said i'm bog roll. you're not that bad. >> oh, he did. he doesn't understand the marmite he has loved most of the time, so we'll leave it. i think we better leave it. i think we better leave it. i think we better leave it at that , christine. leave it at that, christine. great to see you. neil. christina. >> we'll catch up soon. the hamiltons, they're, suggesting that actually keir starmer is not very popular, but will still likely win the next election. let me know your thoughts. gbnews.com forward slash your say, next up, as the bbc protects a sculpture made by a paedophile, can you separate art from the artist? and is it okay to still enjoy the work of people who have gone on to become disgraced ? we'll debate become disgraced? we'll debate that

next. >> because they needed money. >> because they needed money. >> welcome back. listen, don't forget that. at 10:00, i'll be tackling the prince harry story. i think the punishment beatings

have got to stop. i think it's time for the king and the country to forgive harry. you don't agree? strong opinions already coming in on email. we haven't had the taker ten yet. but, this from graham, who says when harry came over straight after finding out about his father , it was meghan that sent father, it was meghan that sent him over gene says mark, of course we should forgive harry and meghan and sandra says harry and meghan and sandra says harry and his wife made their choice and his wife made their choice and should stay in america. the king has made the right decision. well, it's all things, harry. for my take, at ten in just half an hour's time. and don't forget iconic south african rugby superstar francois pienaar, the man who made history with nelson mandela is my mark menzies guest in a couple of minutes. but first, the bbc has sparked controversy by moving to protect a controversial statue by paedophile sculptor eric gill after it was vandalised outside. the daily mail newspaper revealed that the bosses at the corporation's have lodged a

planning application for a protective screen after carrying out costly repairs to the prospero and ariel carving. the statue, which is displayed on the outside of the bbc's london headquarters, has been attacked by protesters twice in the last two years. so is it wrong to attack the statue, given that it was created by a paedophile ? was created by a paedophile? should it remain? can you separate art from the artist and is it okay to still enjoy the work of people who have gone on to become disgraced? let's ask my top pundits lisa mckenzie, mike reid and mark littlewood. mike, what do you think about this? you were at the beeb for many years. you you've walked past that statue hundreds of times. >> yeah, but they must have. they must have had access to those diaries since 1943. so. and now it's 2024, is it just a thing ? for example, you know, thing? for example, you know, when oscar was transported back from reading gaol, people were throwing things at him on, on the platform . oscar wilde. yeah.

the platform. oscar wilde. yeah. and they were chucking things out. that wouldn't happen now, but it's where you get on and off the roundabout. i think it separating, you know, the art from the artist . now, if they from the artist. now, if they discovered that a guy that designed 50 high rise blocks was a paedophile, would they pull the blocks down if they discovered the guy that tarmacked most of the roads in england? was it? would they pull the roads up? no, of course they wouldn't, do you think it's okay to still enjoy those sculptures ? to still enjoy those sculptures? because they are iconic and world famous? >> people enjoy them. i'd have probably walked in and not noticed, to be honest. whether people actually enjoy a sculpture or whether it just happens to be there, i don't know. >> mark littlewood, are you still enjoying gary glitter's greatest hits? >> well , this is the thing i was >> well, this is the thing i was going to say. you can always split the art from the artist, but i think in some cases that's pretty tricky, right? for a singer, for example. right. or a brilliantly charismatic television presenter. god bless you . you can't really split your you. you can't really split your art from you. but in the case of sculpture for yes, for sure. and there's one, another character, historical character comes to mind for me , h.p.

historical character comes to mind for me , hp. lovecraft was mind for me, hp. lovecraft was a horror writer 100 years ago. by some measurement, the best horror writer of all time to say that he has somewhat unfashionable and controversial views on race would be an understatement . yeah, but the understatement. yeah, but the idea we should ban this horror literature, which has just influenced that part of culture for over 100 years, is crazy . so for over 100 years, is crazy. so sculpture, sculpting, writing, it seems to me you can split the art from the artist singing television , presenting little television, presenting little harder, i see. >> what do you think about this, lisa? >> well, i read a book about eric gill. actually, i was just interested in him. and, you know, he did write in detail what he was doing to his daughters. and actually, that statue is often protested by tommy robinson. it's tommy robinson, usually protests against that statue, what do i think? well, i was recently in vienna, i was at a conference and there was a statue of, the past mayor who was the mayor,

and he was happily exporting jews out of vienna. and what they've done with that statue is they've done with that statue is they've left it. people have he sent jews to their certain death? yeah. i mean, and they've got they've got sort of a plaque next to it saying, this is whoever he was, he was the mayor, he was a fascist. he was anti—semite. he sent jews to their death and they also put however, he really loved the austrian countryside and was very good at looking after the countryside . yeah. so they'd got this. >> it was great with children and dogs, but they'd got this plaque. >> and then people had had sort of defaced it and written things on it, and i thought that was a much better way, because you were you got to make your own mind up about that. yeah. >> a terrible fascist, but a lovely singing voice, mike read , lovely singing voice, mike read, would you play michael jackson if you were on the radio? >> michael, this weekend hasn't been convicted of anything, as far as i know, what about what about the sort of reputation that he had on his passing? you

can judge a reputation otherwise. you know, we start becoming what we hate other countries for. you know, you start eradicating your own history. and we used to point a finger at russia for doing that. and now we started doing it. he hasn't been convicted. he hasn't been charged. he might just be one of those people that like, that's a child himself. i don't know with with gary glitter, he did a program once and the conclusion was we love the music, but we don't like the guy very much. >> right. was that before the revelations came out? >> oh, no, it was after the revelations after when people say, why don't you play gary glitter? because the music's good and the opinion of most of the listeners was, we don't like the listeners was, we don't like the man, but we do like the music. >> but briefly, gary glitter still makes many thousands of poundsin still makes many thousands of pounds in royalties around the world, doesn't he? >> i don't think he's played much here in the uk, but abroad he's still popular. is that ethically a problem, do you think, mike? >> well, if they're playing, you can't stop. you can't tell other countries should his music be on these streaming platforms ? these streaming platforms? that's a difficult one because all those all those giant

companies, the youtubes and the googles and what have you are their own masters. >> what do you think? >> what do you think? >> well, oasis sampled, gary. gary glitter's, and so he gets paid every time that song is played. okay. and also so let's just throw this other thing in is do we still use eric gill's font? okay. >> so that's an important question, but listen, folks, coming up in my take at ten, why it's coming up in my take at ten, why wsfime coming up in my take at ten, why it's time for the king and the country to forgive prince harry. plus his hard working princess and the jewel in the royal crown. but next, in a mock meat special, the man who made history with nelson mandela, world cup hero francois

in just 20 minutes time. in my take at ten. why? it's time for the king and the country to forgive prince harry. plus is hard working . princess anne, the hard working. princess anne, the jewel in the royal crown. but first, mark meets . and this

first, mark meets. and this evening, legendary south african rugby player francois pienaar, who played flanker for the spnngboks who played flanker for the springboks from 1993 until 1996, winning 29 international caps, all of them as captain . in one all of them as captain. in one of many career highlights, pienaar led south africa to victory in the 1995 rugby world cup. one of the iconic moments of that victory was south african president nelson mandela , wearing a springboks jersey beanng , wearing a springboks jersey bearing pienaar's number, presenting him with the webb ellis cup, demonstrating just how far south africa had come since the years of apartheid. well, i caught up with the great man earlier, francois pienaar , man earlier, francois pienaar, welcome to mark dolan tonight. tell me about your childhood growing up in south africa and how that shaped the person you became, i was born in vereeniging , which is an vereeniging, which is an industrial town just south of

johannesburg . my dad was a steel johannesburg. my dad was a steel worker, so we grew up in the steel belt, and there were three towns there called the vaal triangle. now vanderbijlpark and sasolburg was part of that vaal triangle. so i grew up in that area, went to an all white school, spoke predominantly afrikaans. of course, we had english, as a subject, but our engush english, as a subject, but our english was just very , very english was just very, very poon english was just very, very poor. and i grew up, you know, playing sports and studying, in this apartheid south africa that, i was oblivious of as a young kid. >> let's go back to that world cup victory in 1995. south africa were the underdogs, weren't they? >> i don't actually like that because i don't think we were. i think people were mistaken how quickly we, we grew as a team, beanng quickly we, we grew as a team, bearing in mind that we were not

allowed to play international rugby because of the bans, because of apartheid, understandably so, but we learned quickly we were divided in south africa quite a bit in terms of culture. and i mentioned the afrikaans was, you know, the english also played rugby. and so if you . so we rugby. and so if you. so we needed to understand how to play together and form a united culture because you can't win any world cup if you don't have any world cup if you don't have a dominant, strong culture with people, know each other and have been successful . so the team been successful. so the team that formed the nucleus of that 95 team, i was fortunate enough to captain all the lions and we were very successful leading up to the world cup , but the global to the world cup, but the global media didn't make us favourites, you know , we were not even given you know, we were not even given a chance to make the quarter finals . finals. >> let's talk about that moment that mandela presented you with the webb ellis cup. why was it so significant that that's the most special moment ever, for a sportsman. and i was just so

blessed, mr mandela , everybody blessed, mr mandela, everybody knows his story. i was fortunate enough to form a relationship with him . and, when he handed me with him. and, when he handed me the trophy, it was just. the words were crazy. he said to me, thank you. francois for what you've done for the country. and i said to him, no, thank you, mr mandela, what you have done for the country, i mean exactly the same words. and i wanted to hug him. i should have it was so emotional. i mean, i'll never forget his smile, and here's this man that that was in in prison for 27 years and comes out and has forgiveness in his heart and embraces the sport that was the white man sport under apartheid . and it the under apartheid. and it the stories are well told that when the team came to play, if england came to play south africa and, the non—white people would definitely not support the springboks, they would support the opposition. and because of him and because of that whole

world cup, things changed. it was it was crazy what happened after the final whistle and months and years and almost, you know, 29 years later , i'm still know, 29 years later, i'm still reminded on a daily basis of how special that day was for south africa. >> you've even had a film made about you, the clint eastwood movie invictus, and you were played by matt damon , no less. played by matt damon, no less. were you happy with that casting? >> of course . >> of course. >> of course. >> i think you're much more handsome than he is . handsome than he is. >> thank you so much for that. >> thank you so much for that. >> i had the pleasure of meeting him and morgan freeman and clint eastwood. i had no influence in the movie whatsoever , but just the movie whatsoever, but just got to know them, and, they certain things i hate in the movie. and there's some things that i really like , but we can't that i really like, but we can't give mr mandela enough credit. you know, it wasn't for him. the country would not have been united. i mean , the scenes i've united. i mean, the scenes i've seen afterwards, we were in the changing room . in those days,

changing room. in those days, you didn't warm up on the field. it was still the amateur day. so you got stuck in this sweaty depee infested changing room waiting for the game. and you're so anxious to go on and you would hear the shouting outside , would hear the shouting outside, and you know that that stadium was packed predominantly by, well, 99.9% by white south africans , predominantly africans, predominantly afrikaners. and i've seen the videos afterwards. we didn't experience that. when mr mandela walked out and that whole crowd shouted his name. nelson. nelson nelson. it's extraordinary. it's amazing . amazing. >> you've said that you were shielded from it when you were young.so shielded from it when you were young. so at what point did you realise that apartheid was happening? >> as you say, as a kid you insulated the culture, was that you were never part of the conversation. >> you know, children were. yeah, were seen playing in the garden and never heard. you never were part of that, conversation . so when i went to conversation. so when i went to university then then, i mean, i was south africa was a powder keg, it was in the, mid to late

80s. and the students came and uprising. there was a lot of debates and disagreements and angen debates and disagreements and anger, amongst white south africans. and this is something i experienced for the first time. and you think about these things and you start participating in these conversations . i participating in these conversations. i mean, i still don't know why in 1986, i went to coach a black team in soweto, jabulani high school. i just had this. i just wanted to do this , this. i just wanted to do this, and understand and see where south africa is going . and the south africa is going. and the conversations were about mr mandela. you know, he's going to be released from prison. and that just divided , the white that just divided, the white south africans to it was bizarre. it was it was scary. and it was needed because south africa needed to change. now, how lucky am i? and i'm a student. then i get to play for my country. and then there's a world cup that comes to south africa. i get an opportunity to

meet one of the greatest leaders the world has ever seen. when he became president, 30 years ago yesterday, 30 years ago, he became president of south africa . and to share a platform where he hands me this trophy and say those words, it's just, you know, i'm, i'm very much probably the most fortunate, blessed sportsman . blessed sportsman. >> after your success with the south african national team , you south african national team, you came over to the uk where you became player coach at saracens and you had plenty of success. a trophy and several strong league performances. how did you adapt to life in britain ? to life in britain? >> it was tough because, you know, we came from an amateur era, we got paid money in an envelope after the game. there was always these, rumours going, rumours going around that we were on contracts such that we got, we got a stipend, after the match, which was , for a student, match, which was, for a student, quite a bit. so you could take a lady out to dinner and buy a beer or a glass of wine, but our

facilities is incredible. i mean, really incredible. it's world class, and i arrive. i don't know where to stay. people suggest surrey is a nice place. so we rented a place in surrey. didn't do my homework. saracens were training at bramley road in enfield at ten in the morning and at seven at night, so i had to leave before seven to take the m25. then i arrive at where they say saracens is. so there's a couple of fields and a shed, and i stopped and i said, where saracens. i said, no, this is saracens. i said, no, this is saracens . what. and people we saracens. what. and people we had to go and people were walking their dogs on the, on the rugby fields before the training. so we had to go and clean . it's like you can't make clean. it's like you can't make this up. and then i couldn't drive home because it's too far. so i slept in the car over lunch, drove around a bit to see the area and then the clouds opened up. i mean, it started bucketing down with rain. the field was muddy even before

training. and then you training this mud, and then you go and shower and the it was like four little shower heads, like in a toilet chain . and i just toilet chain. and i just decided, no, i can't do this. i got into the car with my muddy clothes and drove back all the way m25. i got back at about half 11, so that wasn't a nice start . it was tough. it was start. it was tough. it was tough adapting, but we did. we met some incredible people, had some incredible times and just, that was a journey that taught me so much, about life and about people, you know, i'm becoming the one of the first ever player coaches was not easy. how do you do this? so, we've made great friends there , our children were friends there, our children were born there. we love. we loved london. i mean, we absolutely loved london. it's such a special, special place that you can do so much now , francois, i can do so much now, francois, i understand that you are once again living in your native south africa. >> is the promise of nelson mandela and his legacy being

fulfilled ? no. why not? fulfilled? no. why not? >> because the anc is failing the people of south africa . it's the people of south africa. it's as simple as that. >> is it a question of political corruption or incompetence or both ? both? >> there's a list, definitely. corruption is part of it, kleptocrats? why is nobody in jail? you know, the zondo commission fingered a lot of corruption and nobody's in jail, the poor people of our country are suffering . so mr mandela are suffering. so mr mandela would be very sad. and very angry. >> now, you are a towering figure in sporting terms and in cultural terms. what is next for you? do you have any unfinished business being old? >> you don't. look, i'm getting old. no, there's i've got a foundation that i started , it's foundation that i started, it's mandela esque. i started at 21 years ago. that is my passion. but i still have my businesses in south africa, one of which

actually doing really well in unearthing talent. actually doing really well in unearthing talent . so we started unearthing talent. so we started the university rugby competition 16 years ago, and 50% of the players that played in last year's rugby world cup winning team, the springbok winning team played in the competition that that that we started, so that that that we started, so that thatis that that we started, so that that is wonderful to see how that is wonderful to see how that grows. so i go to work in the morning and come back in the evenings and on weekends. the morning and come back in the evenings and on weekends . what evenings and on weekends. what we do in south africa when it's not raining, we have a barbecue . not raining, we have a barbecue. >> francois pienaar, thank you so much forjoining us on mark dolan tonight. so much forjoining us on mark dolan tonight . what a humbling dolan tonight. what a humbling interview. such an interesting guy who is a cultural and sporting figure . in that moment sporting figure. in that moment with him and mandela at the final was, it was truly epic. and what a shame what's happened to south africa in the years since. now, coming up in the 10:00 hour, tomorrow's papers hot off the press and in my take at ten. why, it's time for the king and the country to forgive prince harry. plus is hard working princess. and the jewel in the royal crown. see you in

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-- well . well. >> it's10:00. on television. on radio and online, in the united kingdom and across the world. this is mark dolan tonight. kingdom and across the world. this is mark dolan tonight . why? this is mark dolan tonight. why? it's time for the king and the country to forgive prince harry. plus is hard working . princess plus is hard working. princess anne, the jewel in the royal crown. and i'll get reaction from the queen of us royal reporting. kinsey schofield . reporting. kinsey schofield. also tonight we will discuss princess anne. do you think she should be upgraded by the king to a more senior role ? is she to a more senior role? is she the finest figure in the royal family since the late great queen elizabeth the second? also tonight in the last word, legendary coronation street actor charlie lawson will be looking at the big stories of the day and giving it both barrels . a packed show, lots to barrels. a packed show, lots to get through . prince harry next get through. prince harry next in my take at ten, you won't want to miss it. i'm not pulling my punches. but first, the news headunes my punches. but first, the news

headlines and aaron armstrong. >> hello. very good evening to you. i'm aaron armstrong, tory defector natalie elphicke has been accused of lobbying the justice secretary in 2020 to interfere in her then husband's criminal sex offences trial. sir robert buckland told the sunday times the mp approached him when he was lord chancellor and justice secretary, ahead of charlie elphick's hearing. she allegedly told sir robert it was unfair. the case was the first to be heard in court after the covid lockdown, and that it was being overseen by lady justice whipple, a labour party spokesman has said she totally rejects the characterisation of the meeting . united by music. the meeting. united by music. that's the eurovision slogan. but the build up to tonight's final has been anything but united. amid allegations inside the arena and protests outside the arena and protests outside the netherlands. entry us klein's been disqualified, the dutch broadcaster says it was

over a threatening movement he made towards someone filming him. someone from the production team reportedly against his wishes. ireland's entrant bambie thug has accused the israeli broadcaster kan of repeatedly breaking the rules regarding its commentary towards their act. dufing commentary towards their act. during the semi—finals and the french act. slimani has broken eurovision rules on making political statements. it was done during the warm up with an onstage speech calling for peace. meanwhile, outside pro—palestinian demonstrators have once again been gathering in malmo and they've been outside the arena two to protest about israel's participation in the contest. they've been heard shouting free palestine and shame towards fans heading into the venue. several protesters, including the activist greta thunberg, have been forcibly detained and taken away by police . tens of thousands of police. tens of thousands of palestinians have been fleeing rafah in anticipation of an expected israeli assault on southern gaza. long lines have been seen on roads leading out of rafah, with people carrying

possessions and taking any mode of transport available. they've been told to move to a so—called expanded, expanded humanitarian zone on the west coast. it's prompted fears of a wider invasion of rafah, despite calls for restraint from the un, the uk and other allies and humanitarian organisations . as humanitarian organisations. as elsewhere, residents in northern gaza have also been told to evacuate, signalling fresh offensives against hamas . months offensives against hamas. months after the idf declared victory in the area . a 17 year old boy in the area. a 17 year old boy has died after getting into trouble while swimming in the town of wellingborough. ronald bell was recovered by rescue crews yesterday after getting into difficulty in open water at the embankment. northamptonshire police say it was a tragic accident and ronald's family have requested privacy at this distressing time . a police distressing time. a police officer has been shot in the leg with a crossbow in buckinghamshire. the officer was responding to reports of a stabbing in high wycombe last

night. he was hospitalised but has since been released. a 54 year old man has been arrested on suspicion of attempted murder and was shot by an armed officer. he's now in hospital under police supervision with potentially life changing injuries . now british injuries. now british holidaymakers heading to majorca or ibiza this summer may have to rethink their plans, or at least their alcohol consumption. authorities on parts of the balearic islands are trying to crack down on excessive drinking and boozy behaviour in some of the tourist hotspots by banning off sales of alcohol from 930 in the evening to 8 am. authorities have also banned party boats from sailing within one nautical mile of certain destinations . the move is one nautical mile of certain destinations. the move is in response to complaints by locals in magaluf , san antone and playa in magaluf, san antone and playa de palma . finally, if you're de palma. finally, if you're regretting missing last night's display of the northern lights, well, don't worry, in about half an hour you'll have another opportunity. aurora borealis will be visible once again across the uk. it may not be

quite as pronounced as it was yesterday. the advice bring your phone. make sure you get your settings right to take the picture. that's how you'll see it best. and any time after half past ten should be good. you can keep up to date with all of our stories by scanning the qr code on your screen for gb news alerts. our website also has the details. now it's back to . mark. details. now it's back to. mark. >> my thanks to our anne armstrong , who is absolutely armstrong, who is absolutely furious this evening because he's had to cancel his holiday to magaluf. welcome to mark dolan . tonight is princess anne, dolan. tonight is princess anne, the jewel in the royal crown? i'll be asking. queen of royal reporting. kinsey schofield, and do the last word. legendary coronation street actor charlie lawson will be looking at the big stories of the day and giving it both barrels and reacting to the big stories of the night. doctor lisa mckenzie, mike reid and mark littlewood .

mike reid and mark littlewood. plus, sunday's front pages are packed . our those papers are on packed. our those papers are on their way. but first, my take at ten. god knows prince harry and ihave ten. god knows prince harry and i have had our differences. we know how he has behaved over the last few years. he's been guilty of immaturity , vie, selfishness of immaturity, vie, selfishness and treachery and whilst all men should take responsibility in life and face the consequences of their actions, i feel in the case of harry windsor, the pendulum has swung too far in the other direction , and now the other direction, and now prince harry is being overly punished. yes, the book spare was an egregious assault on his own family for money. the oprah winfrey interview was a slander on our monarchy, particularly the wild accusation of racism on

which the sussexes later backtracked. of course they did. the podcast interview, in which harry more or less said that charles was a rubbish dad, was needless and hurtful and untrue. charles did his best under difficult circumstances. harry shared intimate details about a fight with his own brother, which should have stayed behind four walls. he described his elegant and dignified stepmother, queen camilla, as dangerous and a villain, and he has waged a war on our world renowned free press . there's renowned free press. there's nothing more unseemly than an out of touch, wealthy aristocrats trying to silence our revered national newspaper titles. who is harry to do that? this is a man born into a world of untold privilege and fortune, purely because he was conceived in the right womb. he won the uterus lottery, but he is not

above scrutiny. and i've had a bit of heat for calling out harry and meghan in the past for their appalling behaviour. well, forgive me for holding powerful pubuc forgive me for holding powerful public figures to account. i didn't realise that millionaire actresses and princes were the latest protected class. well, they're not protected here, not on my watch. but at this moment in time, i'm beginning to feel protected of harry himself. i'm deeply shocked that on his visit to the uk this week for a service to celebrate ten years of the invictus games and an inspiring event that he founded, harry was not granted an audience with his own father . audience with his own father. now charles is battling cancer. how must harry feel not to be able to give his own dad a hug and ask him about his progress? harry might be old school, wanting to pop round with a bottle of lucozade and a bag of

grapes just to cheer the old man up for charles to snub his own son. in this way strikes me as a punishment disproportionate to the crime. how ill is charles? i'm praying for a speedy recovery, but god knows how long they've got left together. none of us have got long. really. life is short and in a needless slight to his youngest son, charles has reportedly reduced harry to tears by granting a military aviation honour on william , even though it's harry william, even though it's harry who famously flew planes in two tours of duty in afghanistan . tours of duty in afghanistan. talking about kicking. talk about kicking a guy when he's down. and why hasn't charles stepped in to make sure that his own son is safe and has top level armed royal security when he's in britain? yes harry walked away from his country and the monarchy and his public role , but at no point did harry choose to be the king's son,

which sadly does make him a target. the court of public opinion has ruled on harry, and he has served his punishment . he has served his punishment. with his reputation in this country in tatters and something of a laughing stock in the united states , trapped in united states, trapped in a relationship which looks more like a hostage situation than a marriage, harry has paid a mighty price. he's lost his family , he's lost his country, family, he's lost his country, and now he doesn't even have a proper bodyguard when he travels around london. i worry for harry's safety, and i worry for his sanity too. i think he's suffered enough and his mental and physical well—being is now a priority. after all, this is the same human being who had to follow his mother's hearse at her own funeral at the age of just 12. i admire the king greatly , but it was wrong not to

greatly, but it was wrong not to see harry this week . william is see harry this week. william is consumed with rage, which i fear will never dissipate. that's brothers for you. but charles, as harry's father and the head of the family , should know of the family, should know better. it's time for the king and the country to forgive prince harry. the war in gaza is like a minor scuffle compared to what's happening in the royal family at the moment. my message to charles is a simple one declare a ceasefire to meet the enemy. build a future together and give peace a chance . what and give peace a chance. what you don't do is tell your own son to piss . off. you don't do is tell your own son to piss. off. your you don't do is tell your own son to piss . off. your reaction son to piss. off. your reaction gbnews.com/yoursay say i suspect many of you won't agree. i'll get to your views in just a moment. but first, my top punst moment. but first, my top pundits anarchist and senior lecturer, doctor lisa mckenzie, broadcasting legend mike reid

and the brilliant, exceptional policy guru mark littlewood . let policy guru mark littlewood. let me start with you, mark. what do you think? i believe that the punishment beatings on prince harry have got to stop. >> you're far too forgiving a man, mark, if i may say so. far, far too forgiving , far too nice. far too forgiving, far too nice. look, i don't think that forgiveness should be never given. but has he done anything to seek forgiveness? has he offered a full apology to his family, to his brother, to the king not at all. and i think until harry makes that move and apologises and actually says, i wish to bring things back together, then the king has precious, precious little choice. you just said brilliantly all of the damage that he has caused the royal family to his own monetary, gain and benefit from which he can presumably pay for his own security guards. so i would like to see this patched up, but i think the first move has to come from harry. not from the king. and he seems extremely unwilling to make that first move, as does

his wife, but just on a human level. >> lisa mckenzie. this is prince harry, whose father is battling canceh harry, whose father is battling cancer. he comes to the capital there, three miles apart, and they don't meet. >> well, welcome to families. that's what happens in, you know, that's what happens in lots of families . but i am torn lots of families. but i am torn on this. as you know, i'm a republican . i don't want these republican. i don't want these people you know, i don't want them. i don't want them as leaders as the uk. >> you don't want them larging it in palaces at the taxpayer's expense ? expense? >> no, not at all. so i'm torn. on one hand, i'm glad that we got rid of two of them to america. i think more should go. on the other hand, let him come back because he's a walking hand grenade. i mean , he could do grenade. i mean, he could do more damage to the royal family than the ira would have ever dreamed of, actually. so perhaps let him back. let him back and sort of, let him let him let him and his wife do what they do

best and sort of upset everybody in there. so i mean, i'm torn. really? >> yeah. i quite like your idea of shipping the minor royals off to the united states. >> they could probably just walk across the border. in the south. but let me ask you what you think about this , mike reid, think about this, mike reid, because i think blood is thicker than water. i think it's time for forgiveness, particularly given that a key family member, king charles, is gravely unwell . king charles, is gravely unwell. >> yeah, well, lisa will be in the tower by midnight, >> yeah, well, lisa will be in the tower by midnight , clearly the tower by midnight, clearly bleeding. republican. >> which is not a pub, by the way. yeah we talk about him as a pariah. >> we you know, if we'd had television back in the days of henry the eighth, will we be discussing the tens of thousands of deaths that he was responsible for, i'm not sure about the word forgiveness, i'm not sure what there is actually to forgive. i think, like any family, they should sit down and have a conversation. nothing to do with us. but william and charles and harry sit down and have a sensible conversation. as

adults, how do you come back? how do you fit in? what do you do? where are you going? are you going to work with the military again, have a sensible conversation. not an instant . conversation. not an instant. you're forgiven. come back now. you're forgiven. come back now. you have a proper family conversation about it. >> mike. >> mike. >> read briefly. do you think king charles was wrong not to meet his son this week? >> he was wrong. >> he was wrong. >> sorry not to meet his son this week , it's difficult to this week, it's difficult to criticise someone else. say where they were wrong or whether they were right, you have to make a decision. you have advisors, it's difficult for us. >> big mark littlewood. >> big mark littlewood. >> i don't need advisors to meet my kids. if i was ill, they'll be visiting me. that's reasonable. >> that's your decision to take, i will be king one day, so watch out. well, well, they're no doubt you'll be. >> they are. you'll be buried in taxes. >> i'd like to. >> i'd like to. >> i'd like to. >> i'd like to see a civil war between the waleses and the sussexes. >> the point is this, isn't it? harry? shot first. if you want a ceasefire, he needs to be the one to call it this. >> well, listen, folks , we've

>> well, listen, folks, we've got more reaction to my take at ten with the queen of royal reporting kinsey schofield plus lots of other big stories from the united states and is princess anne the jewel in the royal crown? does she deserve a right royal upgrade? we'll discuss all of that

next. well, a huge reaction to my take at ten. i admire king charles greatly. i think it was very wrong for him not to meet his son, prince harry. this week, this from lisa. mark king charles has cancer. he can't risk his own health by meeting his toxic son. he may have been given that advice by medics, margaret says i think mark is doing this deliberately. he's winding us up, listen , margaret, winding us up, listen, margaret, i've got a foot in both camps. i'm furious about what harry has done. look at all of my take at tens for the last 2 or 3 years. but i think you've got to draw a

line. i think the punishment beatings have got to stop. lastly on this mark in sorry, johnin lastly on this mark in sorry, john in falmouth, who's a gb news member, says, hi, mark, working or not, doesn't change prince harry's value as a target for terrorists. so he should have the best protection we can provide. after all, he is a prince of the realm, brilliant stuff . look. thank you folks. stuff. look. thank you folks. more of your opinions to come a developing story, folks. the papers are on their way, but tomorrow's mail on sunday. take a look at this scoop, folks. turn coat mp asked minister to pull strings for husband's sex abuse trial a labour mp who defected from the tories has been accused of trying to exert improper influence over her ex—husband's sexual assault trial by personally lobby thing the justice secretary, listen , the justice secretary, listen, folks, we're going to cover this in depth at 1030. this of course, is natalie elphicke, the leader of the opposition. keir starmer posed for a gleeful photo with natalie elphicke.

because, of course, keir starmer loves a photo op. but some have questioned his judgement about having such a right wing conservative in the labour party. well, this is going to make matters worse because now allegations that she tried to influence the outcome of a sex abuse trial involving her now ex—husband. what a story. abuse trial involving her now ex—husband. what a story . we'll ex—husband. what a story. we'll cover that at 1030. but first, more reaction to my take at ten inches the company of the queen of american showbiz, royal and political reporting, kinsey schofield. kinsey, i think it is time for the country and the king to forgive prince harry. >> what have you done with my marky mark? who is this person? i do think that the king, i'm a deep fake. >> it's a deep fake. >> it's a deep fake. >> i. i this is a this is a mask. >> you can see the line just there. >> all right. exactly. well, i do think that the king should engagein do think that the king should engage in peace talks once prince harry does some maturing, he is, you know, completely self—serving, a perpetual

victim, which we saw in that statement that you referenced while he was in the uk. he has no respect for his elders , no no respect for his elders, no respect for the institution and a questionable relationship with the truth. he has remained defiant in detrimental throughout the illness and death of prince philip. the death of queen elizabeth and the devastating cancer revelations from both king charles and catherine, the princess of wales , harry is untrustworthy, and his delusions of grandeur are reckless, and he remains a liability to the future of the monarchy. so he still has some growing up to do. mark but i understand what you're saying. it's devastating to watch it all unfold . unfold. >> and was it wrong of the king not to grant him an audience, even five minutes for a hug? after all, our monarch is battling cancer. >> i mean, i think what we're giving prince harry a lot of credit by taking his word for why they didn't have a meeting. the king hasn't commented on why they didn't meet. we are all reacting to a press release sent out by prince harry's team and

who says he wanted to calm speculation. well, where was that desire to calm speculation when omid scobie accused your father of racism at the end of last year? so i just think that that whole release was entirely self—serving to, you know, cater to the victimhood narrative that he's done such a good job of building in the states , let's building in the states, let's talk now about harry and meghan's international trip. are they still cashing in on the royal family and the royal name? >> i think i think in general, yes. the objective of this trip is to appear like they are still on the level of the real working royals . as you said a few royals. as you said a few minutes ago, they've become a joke in the states specifically, but also in the uk. and they need to improve their image for the sussex brand as a whole, you know, i mean, it was, you know, despite being stripped of his military titles, mark, by the late queen elizabeth, prince harry in nigeria was seen inspecting the troops . this is inspecting the troops. this is odd. he's not a working member

of the royal family. that's something he would have done ten years ago. and to quote the daily beast, they say the king is never going to endorse a hostile rival royal operation. and i think that that is exactly what we see with harry and meghan and the objective, again, is to monetise off of those connections , can we talk about connections, can we talk about the king's remarkable sister , the king's remarkable sister, princess anne, who i consider a chip off the old block in terms of her late great mother, queen elizabeth the second? is she the jewel in the royal crown? >> i think you just need to come out and say you have a crush on her. because every time you talk about her, i see cartoon hearts fly out of here. >> she's a babe. i mean, she is, by the way. >> she is a very elegant woman and was absolutely stunning in her younger years and is still a very, very fine lady. dodi. she's not wasteful, is she? she's. she's sensible . well, she she's. she's sensible. well, she recycles outfits. she's no nonsense. exactly like her dear mum. >> yeah. the princess royal is an excellent role model. i mean,

she stays above the fray. her objectives are clear and her heart is always in the right place. she's so beautifully british in the blunt way that she communicates. yeah. and she's, you know, she she is a wonderful example of a life of service. if i could spend the day with anyone aside from prince william and catherine, it would be princess anne, because she is just like you said, no nonsense . and i think her work nonsense. and i think her work ethic is you can't compete . it's unbelievable. >> well, indeed, a journalist at the telegraph followed her for a few days and was exhausted by the end . this journalist, half the end. this journalist, half princess anne's age . princess anne's age. >> oh yeah. i imagine it's like that the second or third day of going to the gym for the first time in a long time, feeling where you're like, everything huns where you're like, everything hurts and i am tired. >> she's on trains, she's on planes, she's in automobiles, she's good humoured . do you she's good humoured. do you think she deserves some kind of upgrade? could she have a new title such as? i don't know, deputy monarch or something? >> she absolutely could, but i

think what's so special about her is that she doesn't like the attention , she wants to stay attention, she wants to stay below the radar and get the job done. and that is a very admirable quality . and it lets admirable quality. and it lets you know that she her intentions are pure, that she's there to represent the, the, the, the blessing that she was born into. and she wants to elevate those causes that she's working for. and that's what she goes to sleep at night worried about the next day. how can i what can i do to make this thing better? she's not worried about if her picture was on the front page of a paper, or what designer is going to dress her. >> they don't make them like that anymore, do they? and kinsey, they don't make him like you.cant kinsey, they don't make him like you. can't wait to catch up in a week's time. my thanks to the queen of us showbiz, royal and political reporting kinsey schofield. check out her brilliant podcast to die for. daly and her website of the same name folks. lots more to get through . i've got to tell you through. i've got to tell you that producer jack has been through. i've got to tell you that producerjack has been in with this front page. i'll go old school. there you go. i'll

show you the printout. because i'm a bit analogue. anyway, turncoat mp asked minister to pull strings for husband's sex abuse trial. this is keir starmer's latest recruit, natalie elphicke , in hot water natalie elphicke, in hot water over allegations she tried to influence a sex abuse trial . influence a sex abuse trial. full reaction and tomorrow's papers with my pundits

next. it's 1030, so it's time for next. it's1030, so it's time for this . and we start with this explosive story in the mail on sunday. and it is as follows. turncoat mp asks minister to pull strings for husband's sex abuse trial a labour mp who defected from the tories, natalie elphicke, has been accused of trying to exert improper influence over her

ex—husband's sex assault trial by personally lobbying the justice secretary, natalie elphicke, who's switched to sir keir starmer's party last week, triggered a fierce labour backlash . faces claims that she backlash. faces claims that she complained to sir robert buckland about the judge, who is due to preside over charlie elphick's 2020 trial for sexually assaulting two women. now these are just allegations at the moment that are being published in the mail on sunday. we are sharing these reported allegations and the paper has been told that when natalie elphicke made objections about lady justice whipple, sir robert furiously pointed out it would be wrong for him to interfere here. so look more on this shocking political development in just a moment with my pundits. but let's move on to the sunday mirror now. star opens up on struggles , helen opens up on struggles, helen flanagan, my psychosis. hell former coronation street star says she had a mental and

physical breakdown after failing to properly process her split from her long term partner, scott sinclair . very sad story. scott sinclair. very sad story. ihappened scott sinclair. very sad story. i happened to have worked with her as well. i've worked with all the glamorous people, haven't i? and she's a very nice lady and i hope she's able to put her life back together. sunday telegraph, now civil service diversity roles to be scrapped a ban on hiring staff dedicated to inclusion in efforts to end the politicisation of the civil service by the back door. labour's eyes in sky to tax big gardens . the welsh government is gardens. the welsh government is using satellites to spy on homeowners with big gardens as it seeks to overhaul council tax. welcome to socialism, folks and dogs off the leash will be seized if they attack livestock. here's the other story , here's the other story, important development there. i think you'll agree. the observer now . terrified families flee now. terrified families flee rafah as israel set to open all out assault and tory defector was bitter at not getting

ministerial job. tory defector natalie elphicke stormed out of the party and joined labour because she was bitter about being denied a ministerial job. although a good looking at that mail on sunday headline, that story might be the least of her concerns . now, of course, concerns. now, of course, natalie elphicke not here to defend herself and would likely deny those allegations. the sunday express , now labour's sunday express, now labour's £225 council tax bombshell, labour's pledged to boost trade union rights would cost the average household an extra £225 average household an extra £225 a year in council tax. a new fair pay agreements championed by angela rayner, was branded an act of economic self—harm that would fuel inflation and leave workers worse off. the party's deputy leader has made a cast iron commitment to strengthen the hand of unions within the first 100 days of winning power, may god help us and the daily star sunday throbs exclusive strictly come dancing game shots

and the kicking leg tv judge craig revel horwood is desperate to see a dance star on this year's strictly teen hero , luke. year's strictly teen hero, luke. the luke littler has got to be their top target game on. there you are. those are your front pages. let's get reaction now from tonight's top pundits for ringside action. we have anarchist and senior lecturer doctor lisa mckenzie broadcasting legend, journalist, author and presenter mike reid and the brilliant, excellent policy guru and political broadcaster mark littlewood. okay folks, lots of stories to sink our teeth into, mark, what about this, story here in the sunday express? labour's £225 council tax bombshell. britain has been in the grip of industrial action. strike chaos under labour. it's only going to get worse. >> i fear that's right. we've also worth pointing out,

although i'm a member of the conservative party myself, i'm embarrassed to say that after 14 years of tory rule, we've got the highest tax burden since the second world war, more or less. and i fear that if labour do form the next government, they're going to dial that up even higher. and of course, when you see these things that sound like a great idea, a fairer pay deal for people working for local councils , someone's got to local councils, someone's got to pick up the tab. i don't know how these calculations have been worked out, but the tab will be picked up by council taxpayers for £200 a year, on top of the highest tax burden since the 19405. highest tax burden since the 1940s. madness >> yeah. i mean, what do you think about this, lisa? because obviously what labour are trying to do is boost workers rights to make sure people get a fair deal at work. but the concern is it's inflationary. it'll add extra costs to business, possibly lead to unemployment as well . will it to unemployment as well. will it do more harm than good? one of those well intentioned policies that backfires? >> no, i don't think so. and i'm looking at this article and there's no references here. i don't know where they've got this from . they've just sort of this from. they've just sort of seem to have made this £225.

let's not forget that council tax is very regressive. the you know, you can live in £1 billion house and you're still only going to pay the same amount as somebody who's living in a £650,000 house. so it's a very regressive i know. >> i wonder whether we should have something like, i don't know, mark, a community charge. >> well, that was on a headcount. straight headcount. >> well we don't want that. >> well we don't want that. >> it is, it is. >>- >> it is, it is. >> that was a poll. >> that was a poll. >> it was a poll tax, a straight headcount. although i mean, everybody gets the same services. >> but the thing is, why did the tories bring in the poll tax? what could possibly go wrong. >> well i mean that was that was basically brought down margaret thatcher, didn't it, way back in the day, it's worth remembering though, although council tax, you're right, are very, very expensive. house will only pay paying expensive. house will only pay paying the same amount as a pretty expensive house. we rake all of that in an inheritance tax and stuff when people pass on and die. so the rich do contribute a vast amount of tax revenue in the united kingdom. if you just look like income tax, the top 1% of earners now pay a tax, the top 1% of earners now pay a quarter of all income tax

receipts . that we should be receipts. that we should be applauding them and thanking them. well, i'm not vilifying well, i'm not going to be smashed all the windows in regent street and oxford street. >> do you think you're smashing other poll taxpayers windows ? other poll taxpayers windows? yeah, you most certainly are at all. >> listen, mike, let me get your reaction to this extraordinary developing story in the mail on sunday. and it relates to somebody that was, at least for a few minutes. mike read a feather in keir starmers cap. now, this is the defecting conservative mp who, of course is natalie elphicke, who has was a conservative and a pretty right wing conservative member of the erg, supporter of the rwanda plan. she's now a labour mp , but it seems the honeymoon mp, but it seems the honeymoon is over. the allegation , is over. the allegation, reported in the mail on sunday, is that elphicke pulled strings or tried to pull strings in relation to her husband's sex abuse trial. now we can't get too deep into the weeds of the detail of this story, natalie elphicke is not here to defend herself, but it's not a good look, is it? for keir starmer either way, no it's not, but at

the moment people are trying to make it not a good look for either side in the run to in the ghost election whenever it is. >> but surely these days, whenever you do anything like this , go to somebody, try to this, go to somebody, try to pull strings, go in the back d00h pull strings, go in the back door. it's going to make the press, it's going to make the media, you know that. and it's not going to look good for you. you're not going to keep it a secret because nothing's kept a secret. now it's all out there. >> well, some will argue, lisa, that this reflects keir starmer's poor lack of judgement to accept a very right wing conservative into the party in the first place. >> i've thought about this because i can't quite understand what he's doing with it. is he sort of saying to the tory voters, look, i'm actually with you , and just hoping that the you, and just hoping that the labour vote won't collapse , or labour vote won't collapse, or is it just absolute poor judgement and a misstep because it doesn't seem no one seems to be happy with this. do they know the labour? correct. you know, no one is. >> neil kinnock has criticised the decision to accept his party, but it is right to

criticise because a political party should or would once did stand for something. >> yeah, and it seems to me now that there are no political parties that stand for anything . parties that stand for anything. >> well, i think mark littlewood, this is classic starmer, which is poor political judgement and opportunism rolled into one was a bit like that, wasn't it? >> i think this is probably the weirdest political defection in our lifetimes. i mean , usually our lifetimes. i mean, usually you would expect it sort of, you know, left leaning wet tory mps who might join labour or blairite, labour mps who might leave the labour party under corbyn. this is absolutely bizarre. she's one of the most right wing conservatives in parliament. and i'll tell you what i mean. they thought they'd pulled off a coup by announcing it at pmqs, you know, trying to catch the conservatives off guard. a bit of a stunt. fair enough. you get those in politics, but i'll tell you what, i think the long term impact of this might be. labour was hoping that there would be a stream of further conservatives about to defect to them, and that they could roll them out. maybe i don't know who it might be, but no, another half dozen

or so i suspect the backlash over this might make those who are disgruntled conservatives decide they still want to have a blue rosette and not switch to having a red one. >> didn't oswald mosley actually leave the labour party to the conservatives? is that right ? conservatives? is that right? yeah.i conservatives? is that right? yeah. i mean, oswald mosley was in the labour party at some point. yeah. i mean, i think there is some history of madness. >> is it, mark? >> is it, mark? >> is it somehow politically unethical to change parties in a sitting parliament? is it is it that wrong? should it be prohibited? >> no , i don't think it should >> no, i don't think it should be prohibited. >> there are some people who think the moral thing to do if you switch parties is to call a by—election. i can imagine circumstances. however, if, i mean, supposing you defected because the party platform you ran on, the government hadn't carried that out. you could be true to your principles if something like that occurred. i mean, we saw a couple of tory mps defect to ukip back in the day to try and force a referendum . the one that's weird referendum. the one that's weird about this is that she must have had a complete road to damascus

experience. i mean, of beyond sort like . well, i think i think sort like. well, i think i think what she did for the labour party, i think maybe she like the beatles in the 60s, perhaps she went to india and tried some mind altering stuff. that's the best explanation i've heard so far. >> yeah, yeah, because i'm told she bought a sitar on ebay, mike reid, i used to play sitar. >> well, listen, you're multi—talented. you're a polymath. let's be honest with you. you're a composer as well, by the way. you can do everything, but let's. >> you're affirming that. >> you're affirming that. >> can we look at what's behind this? is this a hit job on the part of the daily mail or the mail on sunday in partnership with the conservative party? >> could well be. i mean, if you look at the express just now, you know, the teams that are lining up to actually pitch against either party, yeah. it's difficult to know when the election is how far ahead you hit them with his pr things. how much are people forgotten by the end of the year ? yeah, really? end of the year? yeah, really? is it? they're throwing darts at

the target right now, but is that going to drift? >> mike, you're also historian. you've got a nose for a story. is this what the americans would call a nothing burger ? call a nothing burger? >> a nothing burger? >> a nothing burger? >> i love it, you know, because what we've got is hearsay . what we've got is hearsay. >> he said. she said, yeah, and the details of the allegations are that elphicke made objections about lady justice whipple to sir robert buckland . whipple to sir robert buckland. the allegation is, he pointed out, it would be wrong for him to interfere. therefore he did not interfere. therefore, nothing to see here, guv. >> it's a very british politicians story, isn't it? yeah. you know lady, lady whipple and it's true. lord buckingham, p.g. whipple and it's true. lord buckingham, pg. wodehouse , buckingham, pg. wodehouse, isn't it? it is a very british political scandal. >> but there is something to see here, mark. right. because you're right, natalie. elphicke isn't here to defend herself. i haven't seen what comments she's made, but there's no suggestion robert buckland did anything wrong here. he was approached if his story straight. he said, there's no way i can touch this. but natalie elphicke would have

done something very seriously wrong. if this is true, she was trying to use her lobbying power to affect the judicial, but would it just be inappropriate rather than anything more serious than that? >> i think it's a parliamentary standards issue , you know. standards issue, you know. >> do you know what i'm thinking? i'm thinking about people in nottinghamshire where i live. and would they care about this? no, they will not. they will care about the bus service. they will care about the health service. this will be this will people will not care about that. >> would that be a headline? they just gloss over until the next? >> do the people that you know who are the people that matter? it's my viewers and listeners. do they care about diversity? because in the sunday telegraph, lisa, civil service, diversity roles to be scrapped? is that a good or a bad piece of news? >> i think where i live, which is in the red wall, i think people feel that there has been a great unfairness regarding them , and we are talking about them, and we are talking about working class people. so when we talk about diversity, they know that it's not them that they're talking about .

that it's not them that they're talking about. but, so i think so they don't feel that diversity really means diversity. it doesn't mean diversity. it doesn't mean diversity. it doesn't it doesn't include them. no, it doesn't. and we know that . i mean, you and we know that. i mean, you know, i live in the ex—mining communities, and people know that they have been completely overlooked . their kids don't get overlooked. their kids don't get any chances, you know, we don't even have bus routes. so how can we have social mobility when you can't even get anywhere? >> and would you how would you characterise these excluded groups from the diversity project ? are they simply sort of project? are they simply sort of poor working class white folk or what is what is the what is the profile? >> mostly we're where i live in sort of the industrial parts of nottinghamshire or the industrial parts of the country. they are white working class people . people. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> well, here's the issue, mark. it was a diversity in principle is a very important and valuable thing. but diversity policies seem to be quite non—diverse, quite exclusionary . if you look quite exclusionary. if you look at the take up of university places from working class

whites, for example, that's the lowest cohort in the country . lowest cohort in the country. vie. but there doesn't seem to be much focus on that. >> yeah, and this is the problem. if you allow this to develop, you get a kind of to race the bottom on victimhood with various different cohorts trying to argue that they need a leg up. i read this headline and punched the air mark until, however, i got to paragraph four. these roles might be scrapped , but all of these scrapped, but all of these people are going to be transferred into human resources teams. >> god spare us and they'll be doing the same thing by stealth, weren't they? >> exactly. so this seems to me shuffling of deckchairs rather than mike. >> by the way, just to let you know, i don't want to be rude, but you are the diversity hire tonight, so thank you for taking a range of boxes. >> archewell two is me. >> archewell two is me. >> no, mike's got it for being dashing, handsome , of course. dashing, handsome, of course. the finest broadcaster in the country at radio and tv legend mike read, the brilliant mark littlewood and lisa mckenzie are back in just a moment. plus more newspaper front pages. and let me tell you, we've got reaction to some of the other big stories

of the day in the company of our last word guest, legendary corrie actor charlie lawson, who, let me tell you, is giving it both barrels . greg, can i it both barrels. greg, can i mention the e word or not? okay, see you in two.

charlie lawson. waiting in the wings. a quick look at tomorrow's sunday times. and they lead with elphick. natalie. elphicke asked lord chancellor for favour over husband's trial . for favour over husband's trial. a story we'll be tackling in greater detail on tomorrow's mark dolan tonight, but, folks, listen, the e word that i mentioned to greg just a moment ago is eurovision. that's right. we've stayed off the subject because it's happening tonight, and i'd much rather you tackled the big stories of the day with me rather than watching that rubbish. but let me bring you up to date all the performers have

now done their songs and the voting has begun. it's not clear at the moment who will win , but at the moment who will win, but how about this? israel's eurovision star eden golan. it was very beautiful and talented young woman. receive served a mix of cheers and loud boos as she performed on stage after gaza demonstrators tried to storm the show. let's get reaction from a man who is a consummate performer himself and would never be shouted down. coronation street star charlie lawson , charlie, what do you lawson, charlie, what do you make of the mindless thugs booing the israeli entry ? booing the israeli entry? >> well, look, it's basically bullying, you know what i mean, the irony doesn't escape me that, the last musical festival that, the last musical festival that the people outside this hall are purporting to support and in other words, hamas, never mind what they want to have to do to israel, and never mind this young girl they might want to do to her. but the irony

hasn't escaped me that the other musical festival that happened at but , and musical festival that happened at but, and also i spoke to one of my, i'm sure mike is aware of this, and i'm sure everybody is aware of the fact that eurovision is has a massive gay following. and that's that's wonderful. that's great. i've spoke to a couple of my friends, gay friends from the next village, and they were saying, if the people of gaza could get hold of half the people in eurovision , they'd be thrown off eurovision, they'd be thrown off a freaking building, so there's a freaking building, so there's a lot of sort of. look, these demonstrate are going on and, you know, even in southern ireland, not not a country that ireland, not not a country that i would agree with an awful lot, but i know for a certain fact that, you know , they are not that, you know, they are not far. right. you know what i mean? and, so these demonstrate but also, as we know well know, mark, the demonstrations over here will be full of bloody extinction rebellions and stop the frigging oil , because

the frigging oil, because they're just. that's what they do. they're just protest, you know what i mean? a shower of god knows what. i couldn't say what? >> well, listen, you could do because we're past the watershed , so knock yourself out. charlie. listen, i understand you've had a look at olly alexander's song. you've listened to it , does he get a listened to it, does he get a thumbs up from you? is it a hit? well yeah, it's a it's a crock of. >> and. but what about the. what about the bloody irish talking about the bloody irish talking about my friends from the from southern ireland? i mean, what the name of god is? are they up to. you know what i mean? it's just they wouldn't last five minutes. and gaza. i have to tell them . but anyway, there you go. >> you've rendered me speechless. >> i mean, i'll apologise to anyone offended. that said, you won't need an apology if you heard the song, it wasn't great, listen, charlie, let's bring in my pundits very briefly, if we can. lisa, mike and mark and, mike, listen, you're a music impresario. one of the country's best known radio djs . what do best known radio djs. what do you make of the scenes over

there in malmo? you know, the gaza protests and a woman on stage being booed? >> well, it's become a circus. it started out as a songwriting contest, which i've always advocated being. again, it should be about the songs. that's what it was about. we know there's always a bit of political voting . we know that political voting. we know that that that always happens, but it should be about the songs. it should be about the songs. it should be about unity, about people getting together and forgetting their differences, forgetting their differences, for that moment, for eurovision . for that moment, for eurovision. but it seems to have got more bizarre, more circus like, as it's gone on and less about the songs, sadly. and we got great british songwriters. we've got some great ones, but they probably don't want to touch it for fear of getting, bashed , or for fear of getting, bashed, or whatever reason. but it's a shame because we've got some great songwriters and our songs are rather weak of late , briefly. >> lisa, do you do you, still listen to and look at eurovision? do you care about it? >> no, i don't think i've watched it since abba was on, actually. oh my goodness. when i was a child, i used to enjoy it.

i think people have got a right to protest and they are allowed to protest and they are allowed to protest. i don't think you can hold one girl responsible for her government. >> yes, mark, very briefly, a couple of seconds. is it wrong for israel to participate in this competition this year ? this competition this year? >> no, of course not. >>— >> no, of course not. >> of course i haven't listened to any of the songs, but i might vote for israel on the way home. this is always been political, hasn't it, mark? it's always been. was it a couple of years ago, ukraine won, i think otherwise the united kingdom might have won two years ago. i mean, fine, but people were just using this to send a message of support. so i wish it was as mike suggested, actually, about songs, but unfortunately, it's been about politics. >> charlie lawson, we have really missed having you on the show. >> sorry it's so tight tonight, but we'll get you back very shortly. say hi to your gay village mates and we'll catch up soon. and i've apologised to everybody offended by charlie lawson saying that the uk offering was a crock of , well, offering was a crock of, well, the bad stuff, tomorrow night on mark dolan tonight, edwina

currie live in the studio tory mp lisa mccarron, cameron and mark meats. see you in two. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers, sponsors of weather on gb news >> hello there. welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast from the met office. looking ahead to tonight, most of us it should be dry and that gives us another opportunity to see the northern lights. so at the moment we have got high pressure clinging on. but that will move towards the continent as we go through the next few days, heralding a change to the weather. but before we get there, plenty of clear skies tonight away from the eastern seaboard. so yeah, an excellent opportunity to see the northern lights, especially across more northern parts of the country. and despite the clear skies, it's going to be a mild night for most of us. temperatures in towns and cities firmly in double figures. so for most of us, a bright start on sunday morning, quite murky across some northern and eastern areas. but

the low cloud will gradually burn its way back towards the nonh burn its way back towards the north sea. showers breaking out fairly early on across parts of northern ireland. and then as the day goes on, parts of scotland, wales, england, down towards the very far south—west, seeing a few thunderstorms developing, some of these will be torrential. warnings are in force as we go through the course of sunday. in the sunshine, though temperatures reaching 27 degrees. but then on to monday , another band of rain to monday, another band of rain moves in from the southwest. that takes a fair time to get anywhere further north then wales in the southwest. so for the rest of us, it's a day of sunny spells and scattered showers that sets us up for a fairly changeable middle part of the week, with temperatures returning to something a little bit near normal for the time of year. yeah >> looks like things are heating up . boxt boilers sponsors of up. boxt boilers sponsors of weather on

gb news. >> it's 11:00. gb news. >> it's11:00. i'm aaron armstrong in the gb newsroom. new labour mp natalie elphicke has been accused of lobbying ministers in an attempt to interfere in her former husband's sexual assault case. then justice secretary robert buckland alleges she asked him to move the 2020 trial of charlie elphicke to a lower profile court , apparently to profile court, apparently to spare him public scrutiny. mr elphicke ended the marriage when her husband was convicted of sexually assaulting two women and jailed for two years. a labour party spokesman says she totally rejects the characterisation of the meeting. miss elphicke defected from the conservatives to labour last week . a ban on jobs dedicated to week. a ban on jobs dedicated to equality, diversity and inclusion in the civil service has been announced. writing in the sunday telegraph, cabinet minister esther mcvey claims pubuc minister esther mcvey claims public money is being wasted. she's described as woke hobby horses under the new plans, there would be no more devoted,

inclusive jobs in whitehall, outside hr and no more staff working solely on diversity related projects. ms mcvey said the amount of staff time taken up the amount of staff time taken ”p by the amount of staff time taken up by diversity programmes was, quote, a major concern united by music. that is the eurovision slogan . but the build up to slogan. but the build up to tonight's final has been anything but that . amid anything but that. amid allegations inside the arena and protests outside the netherlands entry, justis klein's been disqualified, the dutch broadcaster says it was over a threatening movement. he made towards someone who was filming him. someone from the production team, reportedly against his wishes . team, reportedly against his wishes. ireland's team, reportedly against his wishes . ireland's entrant team, reportedly against his wishes. ireland's entrant bambie thug has accused the israeli broadcaster khan of repeatedly breaking the rules regarding its commentary towards their act dunng commentary towards their act during the semi—finals and the french artist slimani's broken eurovision rules on making political statements by making an on stage speech calling for peace during the rehearsals. well, pro—palestinian

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