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All right, let's do this. How are you? What the fuckers? What the fuck buddies? What the fuck, Nix? What's happening? I'm Mark Maron. This is my podcast. Welcome to it. How's it going? How's it going out there today on the show? Uh, I talked to Joe Mandy. Mandy's been here before. I like Mandy a lot. He's a very bright guy. Very funny guy. He was a writer on shows like Parks and Recreation, The Kroll Show, The Good Place. He's currently on Hacks. Where he's also a writer and producer. He is the guy at the hotel. He's also been on this show several times in the past episodes, one 42 to 13, eight 32. Some great stories that made it into our book, Waiting for the Punch. So it was a pleasure to have him back again.

I'm in Munhall, Pennsylvania, outside Pittsburgh at the Carnegie Library Music Hall. Tomorrow I'll be in Cleveland, Ohio at Playhouse. Square Saturday, Detroit, Michigan at the Royal Oak Music Theater. Then I'm back at Largo in LA next Tuesday, May 14th. I love Pittsburgh. I'm hoping that while I'm here, that love remains. Oh, I just think it's a beautiful city. And every time I come, I'm like, this is a beautiful city. Look at these, this little area with the, with the cobblestone street stuff and the few. Stores I like. It must be a great city. It's got a good coffee shop. And what is this place? Oh, I could live here. So these rescheduled dates folks, I apologize. Santa Barbara, California, the Barrow Theater that will now be on January 30th, 2025. California at the Fremont. That's now January 31st. Monterey, California at the Golden State Theatre, February 1st.

Iowa City at the Ingler Theatre, February 13th. Des Moines, Iowa at Hoyt-Sharman Place, February 14th. Kansas City, Missouri at the Midland Theatre. February 15th, Asheville, North Carolina at the Orange Peel, February 20th, Nashville. NSC at the Polk Theater, February 21st, Louisville, Kentucky, at the Kentucky Center for the Performing February 22nd, Lexington, Kentucky at the Lexington Opera House, February 23rd, Durham, North Carolina at the Carolina Theater, March 21st. Charlotte, North Carolina at the Knight Theater, March 22nd. Carolina at the Charleston Music Hall, March 23rd. For all ticket links, go to wtfpod.com. It's May And I bet a lot of you are thinking about summer plans. Summer plans usually means travel and travel usually means worrying about your home while you're away. Don't I know it. But one of the ways you can ease your worry is by having award-winning home security. And we've been recommending simply safer.

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I got to get everything set up, got someone staying at the house, got to worry about the cats. I get very emotionally attached to the cats, but the level of anxiety I have going into this job. Is overwhelming and it's hard for me to manage. So I'm digging around inside of myself. To think, you know, why can't I just frame this anxiety as something that my mind is generating? Things will probably be okay. I just have to take the steps necessary to make myself. Feel grounded and comfortable in the work I have to do. And even if that means spending time away from home. Though I come back, I'm coming back. It's in the paperwork. I'm coming back every couple of weeks. To do what I gotta do to do some podcasts, to regroup, to sort of spend some time with the cats, with Kit and deal.

But there's something about going away that I, it is very hard for me. Even when I'm just traveling for three or four days, anytime I have to leave the little small. Circles of my patterns, my brain just fucking loses its mind and I'm thinking back on it. I'm Trying to figure out what it is and I've, I've always had it. And it has something to do surprise. With boundaryless parents. Surprise! I know, look, I talk the psycho babble here and there, but there's no end. To the seemingly deepening chasm. The, the, the rabbit hole of you. I don't want to say. Tra-ma as in a big way, but just in terms of being sort of emotionally incapacitated, but also anxiety-wise.

A couple of times when I was younger, I went to sweep away camp, not bragging, but. I remember being dropped off by my parents, maybe by my mom and just being. And emotionally overwrought and crying and just unable to sort of even begin to to sort of even begin to-- Look, adjust to this new thing, this new place, these new people, a cabin, not a new place. Great bathroom situations. You know, bunk beds. Chilly out there and I'm just like, why, why? And I would be fucking incapacitated for days. That's who I was. Sound like this guy now or that guy now but that's the guy that lives inside of me just utter Separation anxiety, I guess. And that was, I guess, since I was a kid. And because of all that, you know, I live a life of, you know, working again.

- I'm against that, cognitively. I think I'm petrified of almost everything, many major change, but I. Have learned through doing comedy, through doing drugs, from doing. Any type of insane thing that I've done or any type of risky thing that I've done that you know If I don't put myself in the position, I'm not going to function. I just have to over- overcome the fears in that moment and make the transition. Some therapist told me about this. He said that it's, um, Everything that I do on the spectrum of personal life is some sort of almost drive for what he called Primal Union. Kind of sticks with me, man. Primal union. This is the idea that when you're born, you are sort of. Emotionally, spiritually, physically, almost connected to your mother.

It's a deep connection. You are an appendage and you remain an emotional appendage, one way or the other. Depending on how your parent was, who the fuck knows what that means. But if at some point your... Your parent, your mom, or whoever's in charge, doesn't release you. On some level into a emotional space where you can sort of develop yourself if there's panic. If there's worry, if there's a complete absorption of your emotional being by that parent. And you never make that shift, they never put a boundary up and go like, you gotta take some hits. You gotta get up and go again. You gotta brush yourself off and figure out how you're going to handle that. Step into that process for too long. Once you're released into the wild, you have no capacity for.

Or functioning emotionally because now you're just missing a part. And I. I guess I believe that. The idea that, hey man, after a certain age... No one's gonna come help you. You're on your own, pal. Hope you can take care of yourself. Can ya? Did you know nearly 75% of people have subscriptions they've forgotten about? I'm one of them. Between streaming services and apps and random things you signed up for, it just gets to be too much. And if you're like me, you lose track. But thanks to R- Rocket Money is a personal finance app that finds and cancels your unwanted subscriptions, monitors your spending, and helps lower your bills so you can grow your savings. Rocket Money app, you can see all your paid subscriptions in one place. So it's easy to cancel the ones you don't use or don't want.

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Now I've got to go back. And this is with every time I've gotten a prescription for my glasses, I've had. To get it redone at least once. What the fuck is, it's just, it never stops. I gotta see, you know what I'm saying? I have to see. I'm not adjusting to being 60. Oh, I just want you to know that. And it's not, I feel fine. I'm working and everything else, but man, there's. Weight to it. It is a weight. There's an oncoming darkness to it on top of the oncoming darkness of everything else. But I've got a flashlight and you know... When I go back and get the lenses changed, I'll have glasses. So look, Joe Mandy, he's performing. Dynasty typewriter in LA tomorrow. That's Friday, May 10th as part of the Netflix is a joke festival. You can go to dynasty typewriter.com for tickets. Very funny guy.

I see him socially sometimes. Always enjoy seeing Joe. This is me talking to Joe Mandy. What, you got another job or something? It's early. It's 10 in the morning. Uh, I, yeah, I just wake up, man. Yeah. You want a little cans? I wake up. I'm up early. I don't sweep for shit. But I do, uh... No, I've got a sweet gig right now where I work three days a week. On the show so what show us a Mindy Kaling an untitled Mindy Kaling show about basketball I don't know anything about - Basketball. - I know a lot about basketball. - You do? - Yeah. - That's your thing? - Yeah. - I saw a picture of you in Malaney at Quartzsite. - Yes, Quartzsite.

That's the one rich guy thing I fully understand. Now who's Rich Guy? Are you Rich Guy-ing it on that one? No, no, no. Neither of us. Those were Ari Emanuel's tickets, I believe. Oh. So we're just like two bums that got tickets through his agency. Who's with Ari? Is Mulaney with that guy? Yeah. - I understand how all that stuff works. You guys are working at a much higher level. - I mean, I'm just a, I'm a barnacle on that, on that shit. But like, he knows that if there's courtside seats, that I'm the first person to call. Does he go often? I mean, he might. I mean, I know he's got a hookup at Nick's games. He's in New York. - Milani does? - Yeah. - He's a basketball freak? - I think he enjoys basketball, but the experience of sitting courtside is so amazing and special that I think even if you're not in...

Basketball like being on drugs isn't it yeah it's well it's just like this like you hear the players talk shit to each other. And you're right there with all the Giants. Yes. Yes. It's thrilling. And you can feel the floors bounce and shit. It's like going, even if you don't like sports, it's exciting. Yes. Just the sensory overload. Even like, it's weird, even like a baseball game. I'm not, you know, you go sit in a stadium, it's not the same, but you feel nice. - Right, right, but you're not like right there. - No, but it's meditative. - Yes. - People wear basketball, I don't think so. - No. - And it's a very good position to be in for photographs. That's uh... That means I saw a picture of you! Right, right. Who's this bozo? There's always a bozo with the main bozo. Yeah, exactly. Well that was funny, it was that Your proximity... They also always go in on the jumbotron.

You know, they zoom in on your famous person and I always like, poke my head in. You know, I gotta get in there. You know, just for promo. - My God, so what, did you, was that Michael Clayton thing yours originally? - Yeah, yeah, those yard signs? That's me. - Well, I know because like I think I've said that on my podcast. - Oh really, like that exact quote? - I've been pushing Michael Clayton for a decade. - Yeah, same, it's my favorite movie of the 21st century. You too? I watch it all the time and I talk about it constantly. I talked about it with Clooney. I've talked about I mean, like I, who else have I talked about it? Did I, who directed that? Was that a Gilroy? - Yeah. - It was a Gilroy. - I can't get over that movie. - I know, it's so well done. I think it's the best execution.

In any movie. Oh yeah. Tom Wilkinson's performance in that as a like over-educated educated Manic to pro- Bipolar guy? Yeah, it's wonderful. Who are you, Michael? Yeah. What's that line? It's, uh, I'm not the enemy, then who are you? Yeah, then who are you? Yeah. - Incomprehensible. - Yes. - That's the best. So many quotables. - I know. - And when Tilda Swinton drops to her knees. - That's insane. - I mean, what an ending. What an ending. I mean, I just, I don't know. I also, like, it is. It's funny, I made those signs that it's a big part of my personality and I've had friends. Scoville was like I'm gonna watch this movie and then like halfway through he texted me and he was like So do you like this movie is a bit? Really? You know, so some people just like don't, like fully don't like see the appeal. I can't even understand that. To me it was like one of the last grown up movies.

Of a time where like there was there's just movies big movies yeah with big stars are rarely made for adults that's true Yeah, the legal thriller has sort of gone by the wayside, unfortunately. Yeah, a lot of them have, but I don't know, I just, um, I can watch it. I'll just start it and watch the whole thing. I don't give a shit. Every time. - Yeah, me too. - The brother is great. But he's great. Oh my God. Just thinking about it. The drug debt brother and then the cop brother, good family, New York, Clooney. In the cab? Great. Yeah, I love that we could spend the whole time talking. I'm happy to do it. Like how many times a year do you watch it? Oh, at least three times. Right yeah me too. Yeah, and I'm always happy to see it pop up. Me too. Yeah, well it's one of those movies It's like I feel the same way about like the fugitive. There's certain movies

that if it's just on TV, I'll watch it to the end. - Yeah, Goodfellas, any of this, Casino, I'll watch. Yeah, I'll watch. - Casino Rules, yeah. Yeah, I watched um, I watched black mass Like three or four times on the road recently because it was on hbo. That's the uh, johnny depp whitey bulger movie Yeah, adam scott's in that Oh yeah, he is. He plays the FBI guy. But, you know, Joel Edgerton... Fucking insane. It's an insane movie. I need to see that. I don't know if I actually... I, uh, initially I was a little put off by this sort of... Brought to-ness of of depth and makeup is why the bulger well, I mean he like He's at a point now where they have to put makeup on him to look less... Weird? - For us, you know. - Yeah, less monstrous. - Yes. - But over time, over watching it, it's... That guy's name who directed it, Scott Cooper, I think he did Pale Blue Eye and Hostage or Hostiles.

You know with Christian Bale. But that movie, like they, you know, most of the time Boston accent, horrendous. All of them nail it. Oh that rules. Yeah, that's like, the town is hard to watch. For that reason. Yeah. No, they all they all nail it and Edgerton's character is just insane. As the sort of like, corrupt FBI guy, but you know, thinking he's doing the right thing. And he's just like so full it. You gotta watch it. Yeah, well, I did. Watched it several times I just pick it up and it became better and better that's your like road movie no it's just - On HBO, it just happened to be timing out when I get back to a room and I turn on the TV, I'm like, all right, I'm gonna watch it again. And Jesse Plemons is in it. That guy, uh, yeah, he's great. But what's that other guy's name? I interviewed him too. - Barack Obama. - Yes, he's got a small part and he does the accent really well. - Oh good, yeah. - No, Rory Cochran.

Rory Cochran. Yeah, you know that guy no dazed and confused. That's right. He was in days and years then yes. He was the kid And the long haired kid with the dollar bill. - Absolutely. - Yeah. - Yeah. - But he turned into a very... Cute your older man that roll very yeah like intense scary dude he I The reason I'm talking about it is because I've never seen someone portray a mobster. Where I saw in their eyes in a real way that they'd killed people. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, anytime you see a mobster you're like, all right, let's do a pretty good job Yeah, even Joe Pesci when you watch him kill people you kind of think he can kill people but not quite Yeah, but this guy I'm like you can fucking kill. Well, that's the thing Even in that scene where he's like, Am I a clown here to amuse you? Kicking Billy Bats? You kind of are a little clown man. Like, he... I don't know.

But there's a moment there where he looks up without that, where he's got a fucking knife in the head. - Right, right, but it's still kind of funny. - Sure, well he's hilarious. That whole thing's hilarious. All right, so what, I was talking. And that Brendan about, we've seen the full arc of something. Like, you know, like remember when you were like the guy, the Twitter guy? - Yes, yes, yes. - You were big! - Yeah, I was. - You were big! - I was a real, uh... - Do you remember how important it was? - A real rascal. Yeah, I actually, I've been doing a stand-up joke about that. That like, that sort of like, the peak of like... The internet for me was around that time. There were like no consequences. I was an absolute terrorist. Like going after corporations and everybody. Corporations and like politicians. I used to, I used to just on a daily... Basis try to ruin Newt Gingrich's day. You know what I mean it like I know I did Yeah, like you could sort of sense it was less

Professionalized, you know, so people ran their own accounts. And if you could find someone who was old... Who had an account that clearly wasn't tech savvy. Yeah, I could ruin Newt Gingrich's day. It was important to me. - Did you ever get validation on that? I mean, did he ever respond? No, I mean it was just more like I was I Was sending things to him constantly and I wasn't getting blocked But he didn't have a lot of followers So I knew it wasn't getting like lost right in a sea of comments like he was writing the new game Yeah What was the best exchange where you really felt like you won something? What was the prize? The prize of engagement the prize of engagement was sort of the the arc of my My interactions with La Croix sparkling water. That was, it was.

Such a, like, perfect story. Was it epic? It was pretty epic, where I, as a bit, just sort of-- started claiming I was their celebrity spokesperson. - Yeah, yeah. - And they... Sort of indulged and sent me a bunch of soda and gear, I had t-shirts and they were Whoever their social media team was, was like in on the bit. It was like allowing me to be their spokesperson. Did a show in Texas with Aziz, I believe, and I made some off-color joke about Ted Cruz and... By the time I got to the green room, there were people in the crowd who were so mad. That they were, you know. - Tweeting? - Tweeting at LaCroix that how could this person be your. Be associated with your brand and it got up to the like CEO level and Like a week later. I got a

Synthesis letter from Saying like I had to stop Pociating with their product and all because of Ted Cruz because of the yes the joke I made about Ted Cruz What was that joke? We should repeat it. Well, yeah, I mean, it was just sort of-- I was riffing on stage. I made a joke about how-- The joke was sort of like, I would pay anyone in the crowd a thousand dollars if they could fling cum on Ted Cruz. Like that scene in Silence of the Lambs, but then the joke wasn't about that it was more like me trying to figure out logistically how I could like Venmo money to a stranger and you know it was just sort of just sort of breaking down the impossibility of that. Of getting someone a come for hire. Yeah so that yeah that that got sort of picked up and upset some people.

And also my mom. My mom was a federal judge at the time and so she was like you've gotta You've gotta like make a statement saying that you were joking and I was like well obviously I was joking she's like no But if someone actually does it, you can get arrested for like inciting a terror. Terrorists come attack. - Really? - Yeah, so then I was like, okay mom. And so then I wrote a thing on my Twitter But I made sure to use the term fling comet Ted Cruz like 30 times. I don't think my mom thought that was like the best way to handle it. Yeah, I think it's difficult to have me as a son. - You made sure she saw it? - Yeah, of course. And I framed the, I have the cease and desist letter in my house. - Framed? - Yeah, framed of course. - From La Croix. - Yeah, with like the La Croix letterhead. - Well, you know, it's good to be a shit starter, but like your mom's a federal judge where? She was, she retired, so I think we're safe.

No, she was in Philly and then at the end there in Cleveland. - Really? - Yeah. - How does, like, so you grew up in that. Well, no, she became a judge right after I graduated from college. - A lawyer? - Yeah, both my parents were lawyers. - I can't remember, I know we talked about it. How long were you in New Mexico? - Until I was 11. - Oh yeah. - Yeah, yeah. Do you ever go back? No, I mean, yeah, I go back a lot. Not a lot, like every few years. I love it. I mean, it's weird. It's still like, it still feels like home. To me, you know, like just being like up in the mountains and the sunsets and the food and all that. Do you remember, where was your house? Up in the, near the tram. Oh, so it was up there. Like the city of mountains, yeah. Right we we we covered all this at some other point. I can't remember the last time you're on yeah It's been a minute. Yeah, I was actually talking to someone I Everyone's grown up now. Yeah, I know it is weird. It is weird. I feel like I'm like two years away

From getting introduced at little shows as like a legend. - Yeah, they do that to me. - Yeah, of course. I mean, I remember doing it to Todd Berry and making him so mad, you know, it's like-- - I don't know how it sits with me. You know, 'cause it feels like it's sort of just shy of dead. It's like that, yeah? Yeah, I know. Bobby Lee does it a lot to me. Oh, does he? A legend, yeah. Right. I'm still doing really good comedy. - Right. - So just bring me up. - Right. - Fahim brought me up as a treat last night. - Okay. That's almost, you know. Infantile or something. where he's like, you know, sometimes guys stop by

And he brings you up, I'm like, a treat? I'm here every fucking night. - Yeah, I mean, and also, I mean, like, I love your comedy. I don't know if it's like a treat. - I think the initial, for those who know me, the initial few seconds of seeing me, that's a treat. - For sure, for sure. - And then it's just kind of a, hold on, rough ride. - You sort of settle in. To that stool. - Yeah, I did. Why stand up? I don't sit too long on the 15 minutes. In the OR. I've been moving around a little bit more. I've been full of the beans lately. Kinda old school. Kind of yelling, engaging, getting mad at audience members. Hell yeah, that's what it's all about these days. Yeah, I don't do you tape them all no no although. I wish I I I had like this nightmare weekend

Phoenix. I know I want to talk to you about that. I wish I had taped the sets for like the opposite of what clips do for people just be just like I just feel like I can do crowd work. I'm good at it. Bye! Like, now I've made fun of it. Uh huh. Of the clips. Uh huh. I've made a quip making fun of the clips. Oh, I love that. Yeah. But there's some part of me that's sort of like, Why am I not just putting this shit up there? Right. The fuck difference does it make? And it would probably sell tickets. - Well, I know it would. That's how it works now. - But do I want those people that would come to my show on crowd war clips? - I guarantee you, you would not. Yeah. I can say with certain people. - I'm not, I don't think I'd be getting grownups. - No, well, no.

Because they're not really watching TikTok, are they? They're not watching TikTok, no. So, but what is your history with, you know, causing trouble on stage in a real way? I mean, I know we talked at Moshe's party briefly about the Phoenix thing. And I think I actually said, Let's talk about it on the podcast. Did I? But I mean, with the Ted Cruz thing. - It seems like you do it a lot. - Yeah, I mean, I think everything's gotten so much more, even since the Ted Cruz thing, so much more hostile and polarized. So like things are just charged in a way. Yeah, like I don't feel like I've changed at all But I like the effect these things have on people is just like so much more intense than it. Yeah - And you don't, like I go out, if I'm at the store or something, it's, you know.

It's everybody, but if I'm performing, most of the time people are coming to see me. - Right. - But you still go out and people don't necessarily know you. It's like half and half. I'll do shows like at rock clubs or that kind of thing, right? Those are my people. Yeah, but if I'm just like I just shot a special two weekends ago, and so I was I was just Working everywhere. Where? I shot in Minneapolis. Where at? This place called the Parkway Theater. Is it good? Yeah, it's great. How many seats? I'd say 300 or so. That's good. Yeah, it's like it feels like a I mean this is a very specific Minneapolis Largo, if that makes sense. - Sure, well I mean all of Minneapolis is Largo. - Yeah, right. - I mean Minneapolis has been Largo for years. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - I shot a special there, I love Minneapolis. - Yes. - I love working there. ...cavvy community because they've had theater there and I think in no short whatever that saying is...

Garrison Keillor, I think, did something to that town. Right. Right. Not in a bad way. No, no, no. But yeah, no, I grew up there. That's where I went after New Mexico. So I mean, I love it. We talked about the Somalians. That's right. The four buildings. Full of smoggings. But yeah, they're a theater town and a rock town. - Right. - All right, so how long is the special, just a full hour? Yeah, I think I should. I feel, yeah, I feel good. It was like a long time coming. I thought I was ready to shoot, I mean I was ready to shoot something in twenty- 2020 and I don't know if you heard what happened and Oh everyone got sick Yeah right Yeah I remember Or so they claim Yeah no so then I you know and then I had that like year of like trying to remember How to do stand-up and then did you have that problem I I was just you know I had

like this solid sort of hour ready to go and then like trying to like remember how to do it and then like feeling The like that you know that awful sort of acceptance that like oh A lot of this stuff isn't funny anymore, it isn't gonna work, and having to kill those jokes off and start writing new stuff. Yeah, yeah, so yeah, I gotta go do it tomorrow and I was doing it a lot. Yeah, but now it's been like three four weeks I've done the whole hour and I don't even like the bits anymore. Yes, right, yes. So I had that feeling for, you know, some of those jokes were five years old by the time I shot it. So I'm like, I am happy to sort of cleanse myself of a lot of that material. But then, you know, I was really excited about the newer stuff too. So it's funny though, once you get on stage with all the panic, if you'd have been doing it long enough, something happens. Yeah. You're not going to be like, oh no. Right, right.

Happens now so what was the Phoenix thing so yes I was preparing for this special taping and but this is This was a house of comedy. I've never been to that place. Uh... And it was not my typical show. Yeah. I would say it was probably like 70, 30, like 30% of the people there were there. Just regular people. Were like people who go to the House of Commons. 70%. Yeah, my people were vastly outnumbered. - All right. - Yeah, and-- - Could you feel it? - Oh, right away, I mean like I have a joke. Sort of making fun of sheriffs, like the idea of sheriffs. Just how it's like an antiquated. - And they got Sheriff Joe there for years. - Yes, right. And it-- Um, uh, it.

Normally, you know, it normally does well and it was crickets and then I you know, viv- I could just Piercing voice say we respect the police here and I was like oh no like it's gonna be a long night right out the gate and that you know First night I was just like really combative and um... - You were there for four shows? - Yeah, yeah. - Oh, so you had to keep going back. Had to keep going back. - Every show was-- - Every show was a nightmare, yeah, yeah. Um... Hour. And my people really shrunk. They were scared. They were. For me, they were scared for themselves, so like they weren't like... Helping in any way. And why would I expect them to? But yeah, no, it got like really hard. Hostel got really, um, like immediately violent. Every show? Every show. Like a lot of threats, a lot of, uh...

- So after, you know, we respect the police, what happens then? How do you hold it together? You're doing 50 minutes? - Yeah. - The bare minimum? - Yes. Oh, I mean like the second night, I had a thing on my phone set to 45 minutes. And then I, the last night, the last show, I literally walked off stage being like, Thank you so much. And from the bottom of my heart, I really mean this. I hope you all get pulled over for DUIs tonight. You know? - Oh my God. The struggle. But it wasn't just like... Is special because it wasn't just like oh these people are conservatives. I can deal with that right you know there is But they don't even exist anymore. They're just that most of them are monsters. Well these people were like, like that's where- like I forgot that like that's where like QAnon sort of bread you know what I mean that that's where it festers so like these were like QAnon people these

You know, I said I was from L.A. - Aggressive election deniers. - Oh, yeah, they were the cyber ninjas. - Yeah, and Sheriff Joe kind of set the standard years ago. That whole kind of outdoor jail business. It's always been like the Wild West out there in some version. But it's also weirdly balanced. I mean, a lot of my first wife's family's from there. There's a lot of Jews there. There is sort of-- they do-- it's sort of a 50/50ish state. And I was just like in the wrong part of Phoenix. In fact, there's one point where like this guy-- Yelling at me says he's gonna beat me up or whatever and and I was like what he said like I'm gonna kick your ass yeah yeah in that you're on stage I'm on stage no one helping no one's helping and like I'm going back and forth you know I'm like well if you can get your Walker up here you can try you know what I mean I'm like getting laughs not You'd be shocked how little laughs I was getting and how like no one was leaving it really felt like I was it was nightmarish but at one point I

It is funny to me that, like, I have a sense that most of the people in this room feel like their rights are being taken away. In some form, and this country's going to hell, and it's like at the same time, you all live-- On golf courses. Your life is like idyllic, you know? You live in a city that's in hus- like humans shouldn't be able to live here but - There shouldn't even be water there. - Yes, but for like the technology and the invention of-- - Yeah, but it's the same with all of it. Yeah, all the grievance people are just addicted to grievances and they just sit there and let-- Computer generate grievances and they don't even go outside or if they do they do it's like nice It's going to the Starbucks drive sure you know yeah, no it's it was it was uh... Yeah, it was a pretty... 45 minutes! - I'm cool too, 'cause I know-- Feeling. I've been in that place before, where you're like, Okay, well, you'll like this.

Yes, yes, right. Yes, you know and then I But they like yeah, they you know I'd be like well, you know obviously I live in LA I work in And then someone would be like, You're a pedophile. And I'd be like, Oh, come on. Yeah, crazy. I mean, that is my fault for- that was my only credit when I was introduced. Uh... This next guy's a pedophile. No, but it was like, you know... -That's full QAnon. -It was full QAnon. I have a joke where- very simple joke making fun of... Nazis. And how like Nazis have rebranded, so they're, you know, proud. The boys or Patriot Front. This is the joke. Proud Boys, Patriot Front or St. Louis Cardinals fans. Like that's the joke. But like I couldn't even get there because I said Proud Boys. When people start cheering. For the proud boys. Oh my god, this was like... The whole night I was just stopping jokes halfway through to be like...

Did you end up here? Like how? Why are you here? You can research who's performing. Right, right. And I was like, who does well here? Right. It just blew my mind. They just came to watch the Jew sweat. Yeah, or just like, Wait, there's a Jew here? Yeah, it was like you were the clown over the tank and they're throwing softballs. Honestly, yes. They're waiting for you to snap. Absolutely. Did you say you were a Jew? Yeah. How'd that go? No, yeah. I mean, I was going for it. The first night I was absolutely going for it. You really sticking it to him? Yeah. Did you feel unsafe leaving the club? Absolutely, I did. Yeah. Look, I have a joke about gun control that, you know, I thought people there would like, 'cause the joke is sort of... the joke is saying like guns are so... Fun yeah they're fun I understand gun owners yeah Just saying I believe in gun control, I couldn't even like get to the joke. You know what I mean?

I think at one point I did say like, can you heckle my punchlines? Instead of this. Can I, you know what I mean? Can I do my setups at least? So you say, I believe in gun control and they're like, Booooo! Fuck you. - Yeah, yeah. - And there was no way out and no one was leaving 'cause they didn't wanna walk. They wanted-- Yes, exactly. That was what was interesting. I was like, You can... Like I like I'm not I don't Walk, crowd, you know what I mean? Like I feel like I'm pretty like, I would hope. Pretty entertaining and good at this. I don't like, I don't walk through-- - You're diplomatic after a certain point. - Yeah, yeah. - Right, I mean-- - It was interesting though, 'cause on second night, I actually did sort of like, it made me feel like a coward. Or something but I did go through my set and just sort of removed the radioactive jokes yeah still didn't help so it was like oh this is just like my vibe my full crowd yeah

- Yeah, for the most part, yeah. - Wow! - Yeah. - And they would, that's funny, this is your karmic return for trolling. It really was. And then you know what? Even when the shows weren't like QAnon, that sort of aggro QAnon vibe, the last show I did, there was a very vocal guy in the crowd who... Uh, clearly just only consumes comedy through TikTok because I started, I started a couple of bits and he would just out loud be like, this is weird. And he would like literally be like swiping at me to like, go to the next joke. - Come on. Like this is very I don't know like this. Yeah, I'm swiping run the air. Yeah. Yeah, and I was like, I'm in charge here. You don't get to just dictate what's too weird So you were just it was just hands-on the whole time. Yeah. Yeah for four shows or shows they wanted me

I was like absolutely not. After you did something? No, I mean like originally. But I was like I'm not gonna say it. Now I'm just curious, because there is a point where Do crowd work, you know, the, the management's usually, what do you want us to do? I'm like, I can usually handle it, but you'll get a sense. - Yeah. If it gets out of control. - Well, that was the thing, after the first show, I was in the green room just pacing, 'cause it was so crazy, and then they came in. That you know they were like hey how you feeling and I was like bad and they were like I was like you got to do something And people are yelling that they're gonna like, shoot me. And they were like, oh you seem like you were having fun, you're really handling it well. And I was like, all right, well, just, you know. - Did they ever step in? - No, not once. - Because that's tricky too. - Yeah. You know, there, I don't. I mean that's the thing is like I don't even blame the club necessarily because like they're

That audience, I don't know if it's always like this, but that audience was full of aggrieved boomers who like. Like imagining them getting kicked out of a club. Just what would have happened. To the show and to everyone around. - Well, that would have been the video. - Yeah, yeah. - You would, I mean, it's like these people in airports. - It's not an airplane. I don't know what's happening. My brain's lost its ability to sort of come up with whys as to why this happens. But the aggrieve thing, there's something, too much engagement with this information or whatever, but people don't realize what's reality anymore. - Absolutely. - And it's bizarre. They spend all their time just immersed in this, and then when they come out into the world, video game or something. I don't even know what their concept of it is. I mean, and like, I tour...

Pretty frequently and I'm all over the place, but that was the first time where I was like, Oh, I'm in a different world. And I was like, I'm not even sure this is just specific to Phoenix. I just don't perform... In this world in whatever city I'm performing in. Like this is, it's so split, you know? You really felt it, because we talk about that all the time, that these bubbles are real. It's almost sort of like you were performing at a club in a bubble that was not your bubble. Yeah, actually one woman, one of the best heckles I've ever got was, I think they promoted this show saying I was like a writer/actor for Parks and Rec. So this one woman stood up and screamed, Park and Rec was canceled, and so should you be. should you be? - You know, I was like, okay, first of all, love the syntax, they're incredible. Secondly, was not canceled. - Right.

She stood up to say that. Yeah. Oh my God. And then third, I was like, isn't like cancel. Your whole thing like people shouldnt be cancelled, you're against cancellation it's all random it's all bullshit but you know but I was just like it's just Funny to be to take the crown of First Amendment You know they that world sort of has embraced that notion of like you should be able to say anything, but the moment you Oh, they're babies. Even poke at something they believe in. It was... They lose their mind. Yeah. - Yeah. - It's hilarious. - Yeah. - But let's talk about safety because I go through different levels of paranoia and I'm preaching. The choir usually, but like, because my grandiosity is inverted.

And paranoid. Like, I think someone's gonna come out. Like, I'm not that high on the roster of Jews to kill. - Yeah. - But I just, I think I feel-- Don't sell yourself short. But when I leave a club you really realize like, I have no security. I'm alone. I know, I know. Who the fucking guy works at the- could have been one of those people at that show. - And then actually that show in particular, my wife and I, we drove to Phoenix. So I was going into the parking lot with California plates Minnesota Timber Wolf sticker on the face. Like, oh yeah, I know who this guy is, you know? - But I guess most of the time it's a lot of hot air and you kind of, it's a sport. I guess I'm just thinking out loud, but that. That they've made comedy a sport, the comics that represent that bubble.

Maybe they see it that way and maybe it's a little safer than we think. Maybe if they just think that the game's over and As you're walking in the parking lot, they're like, Good game! Yeah, for sure. I mean, that weekend was an outlier, but even at some of the other clubs I've been performing at, the shows have been... It's been fun, but I do think people are empowered now assuming that the comic is taping the set for clips. And assuming they're helping the show by sort of engaging and yelling and and you know It's annoying, because I'm not that kind of comic. I mean, it's not that I'm necessarily bad at crowd work, How I used my time on stage, you know? - They've always thought they were helping. - Yeah. - But now like-- - Now there's proof. Yeah, so that they're part of it, and you're I guess generationally you still get that I think the younger people right yeah

For the most part, I would say it's about like my age or younger, yeah. But usually when you, like, 'cause when I play these kind of states, I... Really pull my audience like I'm performing for people who are like, thank you for coming. - Yeah. - We didn't, yeah. They're surrounded. But you actually saw your people being surrounded by other-- Yes, and then there's a strange, there's always a strange percentage of people who come see me who only know me from being a modern family. So they're fully confused. They're like, What is... Yeah, who is, why is he saying these things? - Oh really? - Yeah, yeah. - It's so odd that, yeah, 'cause I get that too. - They're like, Tell me from glow. I'm like, I don't even know what that experience would be for them. - Right, right. - But you can't complain, 'cause they're there. They came to the thing. - They are excited to meet you.

But they've had to sit through, you know, a 10 minute bit where I'm talking about having sex with a gorilla or whatever So yeah, it's like a strange experience for them. I'm sure Who opens for you? Uh, you know, I have some, you know, sometimes on the road I'll get local people. Yeah, yeah. Keitra Long is very funny. Gavin Matt's Is hilarious. - Yeah. - Yeah. Rachel Colley is one of my favorite comics. Absolutely not. I don't know if I know her the whole world of comics. I don't know yeah, I'm getting so fucking old so weird Um. I feel you man. Me too. It all of a sudden happened. How old are you? I just turned 40. - I thought we were closer in age everybody, but I'm older. - Well, I mean, I recollect that doing your podcast. Like a huge break for me when I was in New York, yeah.

I've done it like a number of times. I did a lot of the live ones. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then someone was going through a while ago, someone told me that they had listened to- The earlier ones, but they were saying that all you did was you go on and you and Mark would mock Orthodox Jews. I guess there's like multiple episodes of us just ridiculing. And we didn't even know about the tunnels back then, you know. You know, people are talking about these tunnels and it already annoys me. Yeah, yeah. Like I saw like, you know, Tim Dillon, of course, doing, you know, talking about. - Oh, he can't talk about the tunnels, sure. - But it's like, my brain doesn't even focus on that. Why focus on, like, you know, there is a type of kind of-- Bottom feeding brain that knows where juice is with you. Sort of passing images or events. It's like, yeah, the Orthodox, the Hasidim are weirdos.

I mean, but what's more interesting is are the ones that are trying to you know dig a tunnel to the Temple Mount in Jerusalem Right, so they It's a real estate process right right right right and yeah, but they but they are It's one of those things where as a Jew you're like, Look, this doesn't make anybody look good. No, there's a lot of that going on right now, I would say. I would say this is a rough time for PR. I've talked to Jews, they're just sort of like, I wish they would just stop. Wish to choose. Uh-huh. Uh-huh Yeah, turn it down a notch Jews we get we don't have to But we can quiet down? Yeah, I would this was during the Trump I was doing a joke that if I was like I was trying to think like who's the most famous Jew in America right now? I was like I think it's Ivanka Trump That's not good

Well, it's him or, you know, Jeff Epstein, so... Oh my God. It's a bad time. Yeah, Chris Rock gave me a punchline that could kill so hard, because I've been doing joke about how I said, It's not a great time for Jews right now. But has it ever been? Was there ever a time in history? Where a Jew said, Wow, what an amazing time it is to be Jewish. - I feel safe. - Yeah, and then Brock gave me the punchline. - My God, now I'm wondering, do I wanna burn that joke just now? We just burn the joke? - No, you can do it. - It'll still work. - Yeah. - How many people are gonna listen? - I mean, they're gonna skip over this. It's not, yeah, no, but yeah, that's how, that's how everybody, that's all the biggest comics.

Right now, they test material on their massive podcasts and then do it on. - Yeah, but I mean, I usually do workshop stuff and it's so rare that, it's so funny when someone gives you a tag. I mean, I'm always open to it, but I rarely use them. - Yeah. - You know, but I'm like, all right, I'll try that. - Yeah, right. - And then I'm like, I guess that's why he's so big. Yeah, I guess I'll listen to Chris Rock. Yeah, yeah, Chris Rock. It's weird when you perform for those guys, when you know they're in the room. In the OR in the Comedy Store, because he's just sitting back there like, Alright. - If I was younger, I would've been like, fuck. Rocks watching me. But now I'm like, I don't give a shit. Yeah, yeah, well you're a legend. Yeah Finally I'm a legend. Yeah. Yeah, Marin can still do it. Yeah. Yeah, it's like upright move - It's the show, yeah. - Well also legend has, it's, you're not a-- Are. Exactly. Well, it's like you're right. Or you're, yeah, you've, you're on the downside.

Or you just never were huge, but like you have the respect right right the respect. Yes, that's the thing exactly right Yes, a legend we all we've all we're all familiar. Yeah. Yeah, so how often do you? Tour of Malaney still? Uh, just occasionally. Yeah, yeah. I opened for him at the Madison Square Garden last year. How was that for you? Oh, it was incredible. Yeah? Yeah, I mean, I'm not-- shocking sentence. I'm not really an arena act. - Yeah, I do a whole bit about that. - But, I did. Actually, there was a moment on stage at Madison Square Garden. Yeah. I remember telling myself, You're psychotic. You're a psychopath. Because I, after the first joke landed...

I was so comfortable and it was like I started riffing making fun of the Knicks Yeah on stage, you know, and it was like a dream of just like on masses You know on the floor massive square garden making fun of the Knicks. Yeah, like half the crowd Booing half the crowd. And he loved it? And then like the security guards and I got off stage like dapping me off because they like thought. Mixed jokes were funny. Yeah, I know, but it was like, yeah, those shows can be incredible. - You got a taste. You got a taste of the arena act. - Yeah, and it's a taste of like. It is one of those things where it's like... It's like Burr in Philly. Uh huh. The game-changing set. Oh, so good. I listened to that. That's like my, that's my, uh, that's like another Michael Clayton. I listened to that like three times a year. Just, yeah. Bird going off about a, about a... So, you have one bridge. One bridge down. Yeah, no, so we did that, we did a weekend in Las Vegas, but...

- How are his crowds? - They're great. They're smart and willing to go into weird places. - Yeah? - Yeah, yeah. That's a great crowd. - And are they your age? - Yeah, yes, or younger, yeah, yeah. - But they all pack out? - Yeah, yeah, I mean, like shocking to have a fun, smart crowd in Vegas. - The casino show in Vegas. - I'm doing like a whole story about not doing, He knows because I believe that even if my fans were in Vegas for whatever reason it wouldn't be choice Uh-huh. It'd be like well, we gotta go to Louisa's thing, right? If they saw my picture in the lobby, like the wind, they'd be like, I don't know, you know, maybe we should wait till he comes to our town. We're having a good time. - Right, yeah, why ruin it? - He's a lot, but you know, when it comes to where we live, yeah.

But maybe I'm wrong. I don't know but they come they come to Vegas. Yeah, and he's a big act yeah That's been for a long time. It was like a big boxing night, so that's like a hard draw, I assume. assume. Yeah. Yeah. So. - What's going on in terms of, so this special, what are you gonna do with it, put it on YouTube? - I don't know. - I just shot it, you just shot it? - I just shot it. - You self-financed it? - Yeah, yeah. - But you don't have no big plan? - You know, we'll see where it goes. - What was I with? - You're gonna try to sell it or you? 'Cause like the YouTube thing, I can't do that. Because I just can't look at those numbers. Yeah, well right, I think if I were to do it, um, I... yeah. It would be unhealthy for me. It would be, I would be obsessing over numbers. - Yeah. - Yeah. - You'd be bothering people to push it. - Oh God, yeah. So that's a definite possibility. Yeah, no, but I don't know what the plan is.

I wanted to just make a... You know, I'm in the editing stage right now, so I just wanted to get formed and do it. With Shape I'm proud of. - Yeah, yeah. I know these guys like Fahim, who kind of like have locked in, I guess. They're even a little younger than you, right? A little bit, yeah. But they've locked into this new mode. It's like they don't even... It's not even about any kind of mainstream outlet. Right. You know, they're like, Well, I'm doing these videos and I'm doing the YouTube... And pushing that, and that's how I generate my following. - Yeah, no, and I respect that. I've sort of accepted that it's a... Possibility and I see that, I see when it works it really works. Yeah, but it takes a lot of work. It does. And also... You know, I'm in an interesting spot where I don't have to tour nonstop to make a living. I spent half the year writing and doing-- - What were you on before this Mindy thing? - Hacks. - Oh, did you finish the second season?

Uh, we just finished shoot- they're shooting the third season right now. They're almost done. Yeah, so I saw the second season So this is a third season where what's happening? - She's on the road? - She, well she has, the end of season two, she fired Ava, her assistant, or her joke writer, so it's like the two of them living sort of separate lives. - Oh, this is season three? - Yeah. - And then they come together at the end? - Well, I don't know. Who can say? That would make sense. I haven't talked to her in a while. Hannah, she's doing alright I guess. Yeah, she's doing great. They're shooting out there now? Yeah, I think this is literally the last week of shooting. Yeah, it was... It was a

Production halted by multiple things including a strike so I think I think two strikes and a disease? Yeah basically I think this is technically like for day 450 or something oh my god yeah do you have a are you in it again? I am yeah same guy? Same guy, yeah, Ray from The Kissing No. In Vegas, yeah. Yeah. Oh, that's good. How many episodes are you in? I think I'm in like one or, yeah, one, but it's, you know, it's always fun. Yeah. Hannah's hilarious. Hannah's always telling the showrunners that she thinks... I'm endgame for Ava. - Oh, really? - We should end up together. - Oh, that would be funny. - And the showrunners are not indulging that. No, they're not gonna have it. They don't agree, yeah. And when you are, are you on set or? - You thought as a writer or no? - You know, it's weird. I normally am for shows I work on. I love being on set, but.

Oh yeah, we made this whole show through the pandemic. So there were like COVID protocols that made it almost impossible. So I really was only on set writing jokes and stuff on the days I was acting. Right, but you were on set this time? I was on set a little bit, yeah. Is Punch Up doing all that? Yeah, I mean, that's the idea. I mean, that burden is on the three of the show. Runners because they're really the only people on set. - Well, I guess we did that on my show where it'd just be like, it's not landing. - Yeah. - And then like five guys come out or whoever, women and men and they, how about this? I mean yeah that I I my first like real job like that was Parks and Rec and I just remember my first episode I was on set and you know I'm just like a child like eating snacks because there's like free snacks and you have to be like this job rules. For Amy coming up to me and being like, This joke isn't working, write me a new joke. And then just, you know.

- Real like feet to the fire moment of like, oh God. Yeah, so like panicking, writing a couple jokes, and then like- - Did it work? - Yeah, it worked and we moved on, but I was like, oh yeah, this is like a, this can be a scary job. - Oh, that's hilarious. - Yeah. - And that's what happens. - Yeah, that's the job. - That was your baptism. - Yes, totally, yeah. - Have you written any movies? - I wrote a couple scripts during the pandemic. I'm rewriting. I'm like I'm punchy. Nothing's going on with them. Well. They're like yeah I'm I wrote one that I'm happy with that's a sort of character study of a, like a showrunner who becomes a podcaster. who becomes a podcaster. I should have you read it. But the second one I got more excited about. So I want to finish the second one before I show anyone the earlier one. What's going on with all the podcasters? - I don't know, yeah. It's your fault.

That's it. I'm still old. I mean, I'm old school. We still do audio. Yeah. Just doing their own TV shows. Yes, yes, yes. That is really something. Who's watching what or why, and it really, it's sort of sad that it's become a joke. Yeah, you know like everybody's got a podcast and it's kind of true and maybe that's my fault Well, I appreciate just coming in and talking. I'm not like really I'm pre-promoting a special with no home. So I Appreciate you mark. Yeah. No, I wanted to hear that phoenix thing. Yeah, so fucking scary Well that's scary and like I don't blame the club. I blame the heat. I think the heat of Phoenix has like fried everyone's brains. But I just... Of your fans being nervous, you're nervous. - Yes. - And you can't, and they're not, they're just gonna run. - Right. And there's a--

It's weird when you think about fan bases where you like sort of like, My fans have my back. Not really. Yeah, my fans. No, no. Against people like Pac. Yeah, I guess no one's got your back. No, no, no one has my back and also that that feeling of like When someone is removed from a club, then you feel that weird moment of emasculation. - Yes, right, like I couldn't handle it. Yeah, I needed mommy to take the mean guy out. - Sometimes they do it without asking. When all of a sudden, I've had to stop that. - Yeah. - You know, like the other, it was a couple of weeks ago at the club, I'm doing these, talking about these different reactions. And some girl almost like involuntarily goes you know free ballazza And I looked at him like okay because they're They immediately jumped on it. I'm like, no, no, no, it's okay. Right. It's all right. She can have her opinions. Just not, I'm talking. Right. And you know and she was like it was but the weird thing about it was it was almost as if She didn't have control over it

And then it was out. And I looked at her after I got off, because I addressed it and we bled it out. But she was like, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. It's an odd thing when people-- - Difficult subject. - Well, that's a difficult subject, but a lot of times people who are heckling, it's not that voluntary. - Right. - Like they, I've had. People just answer me in conversation. If I pose a rhetorical question, and people are up close, they're like, Oh, I know what that is. You know, I'm like, I'm not, what's happening? have a problem with people just being too enthusiastic or too you know just like they they're just you have Just relax. I don't even like when they play me up with music. Uh huh. And they bring me up and they play music. I'm like, What are you doing? - Right, right, right. - It's not necessary. - What do they play for you? Just do it. Yeah, I was gonna say mark man like get am bad You know this that's not the vibe. I'm going for

Oh, I can't, you don't need it. Yeah, right. So let me walk up there. All right, buddy, well, it was good talking to you. Great talking to you, thank you. We covered Michael Clayton, that was important. Yeah, and our you know rest in peace Tom Wilkinson. Oh my god What about music you listen to anything good? Uh? No, uh, I like this guy that Mexican OT that's his name. I listened to, yeah, I listened to a lot of, uh, hip hop rap music. Yeah, still. Yeah, of course. He grew up with it. That's your thing. Yeah. Mexican OT? That, well it's that Mexican OT. That Mexican OT. What's OT stand for? You know, that's a great question. How many records does he have? - One. - Yeah? - Yeah. - All right, I'll check 'em out. - Yeah, please do. - Thanks, Joe. - Yeah. There you go. What a great guy, funny guy, great guest.

He'll be at Dynasty Typewriter in LA tomorrow night. Get tickets at DynastyTypewriter.com. Hang out for a minute, folks. Folks, we've got an episode with Jude Law coming up in a few weeks. I recorded it when I was in New York city and this week we posted for full Marin listeners, my immediate. After the interview as I was driving through Brooklyn with my producer Brendan. I just get the feeling From him, you know, and even Malcolm to a degree that and it's important for me to to see in here it is like they'd love the job that you know yes takes him away from their life or whatever but once you know you need you talked a bit about his What am I doing or whatever, but once they get on set, they're like, Oh, this is where I live. You know? And all the other stuff is, you know, uh, it's just part of that, you know, dealing with hotel time or trailer time or whatever, but it's still, they love it. Yeah. Yeah.

The eighth movie is no slouch of a movie, man. This is the thing that he just is promoting. Yeah, Firebrand, yeah. He's, I mean it's about though, it's about, what is their name? Catherine Carr? Is that what it is? Yeah, but it's like, you know, it's about their relationship. He's not a supporting role. Right. But it was funny because, you know, we talked about, you know, like, you didn't want to put on 200 pounds, huh? You know, he assumed the posture and there was a lot of heavy clothing and yeah, it's probably a you know Kind of like some padding. Yeah Something but there is definitely a scene where they're fucking and I'm like that's not you Dua's ass They brought in a fat ass. Fat stunt ass. How do you like to put that on your IMDb? Stunt ass and firebrand. But he was very diplomatic about it. He said it was Henry's ass.

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