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I took a little bit of inspiration from the "What if Washington was king" video, and after learning about how there was a proposal for Prince Henry of Prussia to be king, I wanted to fill out this what if. The initial problem that appears is that Prince Henry / Henry I of America had no kids, and since the idea of an elected monarchy was semi-serious for a short while, I split the tree into 3/4 parts based on proposals that are more fun to explore than realistic
Always fun to see this chart show up and I’m glad you took a different approach. The red and gold lines seem much more likely, no way US Congress would want to share a monarch let alone be a kingdom in the German Empire. Didn’t Louise and Augustus have other brothers, who had descendants or did they not? I would think they would inherit before Louise and hers.
I was going to add an Elective Monarchy Line, as the debates of who would be king when our Prussian died would be constant, and probably the most likely outcome of this all, it was a little out of place in the first draft. I did refuse to list people who were not relevant in the eyes of the crown; I should not have made this as bare as I did. I was sloppy at this chart at times and assumed that a monarchy constitution would not mention the gender of the head of state. I also just had a quick relook at notes and Wikipedia pages, most of Louise's and Augustus' siblings died young, except for their brother Louis Ferdinand, who died in 1806 and was childless
Shouldnt one line be Charles iii?
yeah maybe, through Alice. With the green line, I was being fast a loose a little. Mostly because rules and nitpicks saw it consistently default into the Grey line
If Prussia and probably early America followed Agnatic-cognatic primogeniture, which line should have inherited?
If an American Monarchy were to be created, it would have been elective, until death, resignation, or impeachment, following the Agnatic-cognatic primogeniture line, I'll through out a pathing for each line I created. (Although im now starting to feel like I should have been more in-depth in regards to the tree)
Senior Line: Just follow the Grey Line after Henry's death
Friedrich Wilhelm Karl Line: Follow the Green Line until Prince Adalbert of Prussia's death, then The Grey Line from Wilhelm I
Augustus Legitmist Line: Follow the Red Line until Prince Augustus of Prussia's death, then The Grey Line from Friedrich Wilhelm IV
Augustus Bastard Line: Follow the Gold Line until Alexander von Waldenburg. The throne would go to some unlisted people: His brother, Lothar von Waldenburg, until 1945; then his nephew, Joachim von Waldenburg, until 1946; then his son, Christian-Moritz von Waldenburg, until the present day; oh which he a son, Joachim/
Isn’t there an older brother to Friedrich Wilhelm Karl who predeceased him but has a son?
I was thinking about making this exact concept, but got stuck on the same heirs issue- well done!
a semi-elective monarchy solves everything
One thing that I think is so fun is that in the legitimise line, we would have two Queen Elizabeths who have ruled for an insane amount of time (actually being the 1st and third longest reigning monarchs of all time), and pop culture would just eat that up.
I mean England exploded with things to say when it had a queen and a female prime minister, in a timeline with 'The Sisters of The Atlantic' people would talk about this for generations to come.
Frankly, the most likely scenario is what Romania did in our world. In other words, when the ruling branch in America died, another junior Prussian dynasty would be selected.
So first would be Prince Henry of Prussia, then his younger brother Augustus Ferdinand and his son Augustus: 1788 - 1843
Next would likely be Prince Frederick of Prussia, a grandson of Frederick William II and the half-brother of King George V of Hanover, followed by his sons Alexander and George: 1843 - 1902
Finally, Frederick III’s son Henry, his 2 sons Waldemar and Sigismund, and Sigismund’s son Alfred: 1902 - 2013
After that, best guess is Wilhelm II’s great-grandson Prince Adalbert Alexander of Prussia, or one of his three sons, Alexander, Christian or Philipp
None of the proposed lines here make sense, the first 2 because of inconvenient personal unions, the 3rd because of rabid anti-Catholicism in the United States and the 4th because no European royal house would consent to it, especially the House of Hohenzollern. And as for the 2nd line, I fail to see why Alice would be queen… when the Marchioness of Milford Haven had 2 healthy sons. And her eldest son George predeceasing her has no effect because that’s not how primogeniture works, as his son David would have the superior claim to his aunts or uncle.
The most realistic route of this all is one not added, where after Henry dies, they elect a monarch until they die, resign, or get impeached. This means after Henry we'd more likely get King Thomas Jefferson than King Augustus Ferdinand. I wasnt doing this to be 100% realistic, I was being pretty fast and loose with this project, and constantly avoiding the succession defaulting to the United Kingdom of Germany and America in most cases, with only a few hiccoughs in the execution, especially for someone who barely understands Prussia's line of succession and tried to justify the United States'
Yeah, and any proposal to elect someone who wouldn’t already be of royal blood would be laughed out of the room. The Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth proved that would be a disaster. And the 2nd line you made still makes no sense
Again, it was more for fun and I was being fast and loose, in part to avoid it all coming back to the German Emperor
Evidently too fast