What if Churchill didn't under-estimate the Turks at gallipoli?

It's more a fault of the commanders not sending the first waves in the right place and not advancing immediately on the hills before the turks got reinforcements, imho. Also not enough protection from mines and submarines making the battleships unable to support the troops.

It would still be a costly struggle along a narrow hilly peninsula before reaching Thrace proper, though. The Ottomans would pour more and more reinforcements and build lines and lines of trenches all the way to Istanbul.

Maybe if they managed to take all the forts, demine the Dardanelles and let the fleets pass through, the threat of bombarding the capital may force the Ottomans out of the war. Pretty big deal.

It's more of the fact that the commanders didn't send in the first waves properly, one of the British generals didn't allow his men to attack until heavy artillery guns had been set up despite the fact that he had battleships bombarding the Ottoman positions anyway, a process that took 3 days and allowed tens of thousands of Ottoman soldiers to pour in.

With the way the battle went the allies suffered an equal number of deaths to the Ottomans despite having the Ottomans defenders advantage and the mountains. So you can't easily say that Atatürk was that good of a commander given he lost just as many men with the advantage

The Australians attacked immediately and took their initial mountains, and so if the British general had allowed his men to do that they would have probably took the mountains which would have rendered the Dardanelle straights clear for ships to pass. And would have forced the Ottomans to go on to the offensive against the high ground which they would have really struggled in.

The things that you could Churchill could have improved upon weret sent a few more pre-dreadnoughts for bombardment and better mine and torpedo defense although the intel was saying that the minds and torpedoes would be very sparse in number. And whilst the allies underestimated the fighting ability of the Ottomans, it was an understandable estimation to make, given the Ottomans awful performance in Libya and the Balkans just one and two years prior to WW1.

With a few changes the Gallipoli campaign could quite well have taken the high ground and most of the objectives which would have allowed a bombardment of with a few changes the Gallipoli campaign could quite well have taken the high ground and most of the objectives which would have allowed a bombardment of Constantinople, and supply to reach Russia, and that supply might have even possibly stopped Russia pulling out the war, or certainly delays the revolution.

Even the most serious British force would still engage in a particularly bloody battle

As the straits were the most fortified place in the entire Ottoman Empire

The only difference is that it makes the Alexandretta Plan more likely to be implemented while mainly being occupied in Gallipoli

Therefore, a joint British-French force will land on Alexandretta and secure the Hejaz Railway and the Berlin-Baghdad Railway early, thus dividing the Ottoman Empire into two halves.

(So, of course, the southern Iraq front, the Palestine front, and the Sinai front will be completely eliminated with the surrender of the Ottoman units to the British essentially and an early Arab revolt in late 1915, but it is anti-British and also pro-Ottoman as well.)

In the end, the front will settle in the mountains of Anatolia, and no progress will occur in the Anatolian lands. After the Russian Revolution, the Ottoman Empire, with their loss of everything, actually decides to sign a separate peace treaty.

(The Ottomans will, of course, give up all their Arab lands while also opening the straits in order to allow the Entente to send support to the government of Alexander Kresinsky, but the Bolsheviks still take power.)

Therefore, many British forces will be released to be transported to the West, of course, and Germany will be defeated by February 1918.

Thanks to a separate peace, the Ottoman Empire would escape harsh punishment, but the Sultan's sphere of control would be greatly reduced to the modern borders of Turkey, and the Turkish National War and the Greco-Turkish War would never occur.

(Greece will be compensated by giving them northern Epirus and additional parts from Bulgaria)

Thanks to Turkey not being distracted by the war with Greece, it will send volunteers to the Caucasus to successfully repel the Bolsheviks from annexing Azerbaijan, Armenia and Georgia, and thus they will survive as independent states during the interwar period like the Baltics until Stalin annexed them in 1940.

It may be apocryphal but ataturk ordering his men not to defend but to die indicates how desperate things were for the turks. Perhaps the campaign was closer run than it appears in hindsight.

This was 100% on the leadership on the scene, which was incredibly inept

The initial naval assault was even worse; the commander on the scene called it off when the Turks were literally out of ammo to defend the Straits and considering terms because the Brits lost several obsolete ships that had literally been pulled from the scrapyard to make the attack with

The Brits got cursed with some really awful leadership pics, especially early in the war, especially the RN

Other than Jellicoe it was an absolute clown show that handed the Germans at least one victory and saved them from what should have been several defeats

Beautty springs immediatly to mind. He cost the Brits at least two big wins and was saved from disaster by Jellicoe several times

was an embarassing defeat for the british. 1. Ataturk's Genius, 2. Churchill underestimating his enemies.

Lol so much copium

I don't think that an argument can be made that Churchill underestimated his enemies. His was not the plan that was followed, and it was beset by such delay that the peninsula was reinforced and the situation changed, as it did after the failed naval assault. Churchill was largely a scapegoat for Gallipoli.