This is a book club. The purpose is not to move lit discussion away from r/redscarepod, general lit discussion can stay there. The purpose is to focus on a book of the month and to share reading suggestions.
What, to you, is the most beautiful poem? (Old school grand pronouncement time)
Sitting on the patio with the summer evening twitter of birds and related sounds, re-reading “Ode to a Nightingale” for the hundredth time, I think it has claim to the most beautiful poem or all time. Or just being my favorite, anyway. Every time I try to post on /books they always delete it, so I ask you lot.
This one by Anne Sexton always stood out to me
Her work’s beautiful. The elegy for Plath, and then one called I think “the double image” I love. Thanks for sharing
Oh hey I also love "The Double Image"!
I’m stupid and don’t know anything about poetry, but I like Questions from a Worker Who Reads by Brecht. And Intrusion by Denise Levertov
After I had cut off my hands
and grown new ones
something my former hands had longed for
came and asked to be rocked.
After my plucked out eyes
had withered, and new ones grown
something my former eyes had wept for
came asking to be pitied.
Thank you for sharing the Levertov, it has changed my life in the hour since I read it.
To Be Read In the Interrogative Mood
Have you seen have you really seen the snow the stars the plush steps of the breeze Have you touched have you really touched the plate the bread the face of the woman you adore Have you lived like a blow to the head the shock the gasp the fall the flight Have you known in every pore of your knowing skin how your eyes your hands your sex your soft heart must be thrown away must be mourned away must be invented once more all over again
— Julio Cortázar
Cortázar ♥️
thank you for sharing, good poem.
Is there a text of the spanish version? All I could find was was this video of a reading
John Ashbery - “Just Walking Around”
What names do I have for you? Certainly there is no name for you In the sense that the stars have names That somehow fit them. Just walking around,
An object of curiosity to some, But you are too preoccupied By the secret smudge in the back of your soul To say much, and wander around,
Smiling to yourself and others. It gets kind of lonely But at the same time off-putting, Counterproductive, as you realize once again
That the longest way is the most efficient way, The one that looped among islands, and You always seemed to be traveling in a circle. And now that the end is near
The segments of the trip swing open like an orange. There is light in there, and mystery and food. Come see it. Come not for me but it. But if I am still there, grant that we may see each other.
'The Kraken' by Alfred Tennyson: Below the thunders of the upper deep,
Far, far beneath in the abysmal sea,
His ancient, dreamless, uninvaded sleep
The Kraken sleepeth: faintest sunlights flee
About his shadowy sides; above him swell
Huge sponges of millennial growth and height;
And far away into the sickly light,
From many a wondrous grot and secret cell
Unnumbered and enormous polypi
Winnow with giant arms the slumbering green.
There hath he lain for ages, and will lie
Battening upon huge sea worms in his sleep,
Until the latter fire shall heat the deep;
Then once by man and angels to be seen,
In roaring he shall rise and on the surface die.
Millennial reference. I gotta read more Tennyson, this is spooky
My favourite Tennyson poem is pretty special I think and is apparently the last poem he ever wrote. Have a read of this absolute beauty
https://www.telelib.com/words/authors/T/TennysonAlfred/verse/deathofoenone/dreamer.html
Will do my friend, thank you x
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Damn
A serious all time fav since AP Lit 💯
Sonnet XXX
Edna St. Vincent Millay
Love is not all: it is not meat nor drink
Nor slumber nor a roof against the rain;
Nor yet a floating spar to men that sink
And rise and sink and rise and sink again;
Love can not fill the thickened lung with breath,
Nor clean the blood, nor set the fractured bone;
Yet many a man is making friends with death
Even as I speak, for lack of love alone.
It well may be that in a difficult hour,
Pinned down by pain and moaning for release,
Or nagged by want past resolution’s power,
I might be driven to sell your love for peace,
Or trade the memory of this night for food.
It well may be. I do not think I would.
Damn I Gotta read more of her
She has a poem called Siege that was my grandma’s favorite on her deathbed apparently. Very sad but beautiful poem.
Wow. Will check it out 🙏🏻
Thirtieth Anniversary Report of the Class of '41
We who survived the war and took to wife
And sired the kids and made the decent living,
And piecemeal furnished forth the finished life
Not by grand theft so much as petty thieving--
Who had the routine middle-aged affair
And made our beds and had to lie in them
This way or that because the beds were there,
And turned our bile and choler in for phlegm--
Who saw grandparents, parents, to the vault
And wives and selves grow wrinkled, grey and fat
And children through their acne and revolt
And told the analyst about all that--
Are done with it. What is there to discuss?
There's nothing left for us to say of us.
/END/
Shakes me to the core tbh, profoundly desolate interpretation of the Greatest Generation, one I hope still meets the intent of your prompt
It definitely does; thanks for sharing. Brutal.
Oh goodness and this reminds me of all those lovely First World War poets: so young, so desolate.
For some reason I think it’s very funny that this is a sonnet
Does anyone know the author of this?
Howard Nemerov (the brother of Diane Arbus, incidentally!).
Oh my. Wow. This hits hard.
Try To Praise The Mutilated World
Remember June's long days,
and wild strawberries, drops of rosé wine.
The nettles that methodically overgrow
the abandoned homesteads of exiles.
You must praise the mutilated world.
You watched the stylish yachts and ships;
one of them had a long trip ahead of it,
while salty oblivion awaited others.
You've seen the refugees going nowhere,
you've heard the executioners sing joyfully.
You should praise the mutilated world.
Remember the moments when we were together
in a white room and the curtain fluttered.
Return in thought to the concert where music flared.
You gathered acorns in the park in autumn
and leaves eddied over the earth's scars.
Praise the mutilated world
and the gray feather a thrush lost,
and the gentle light that strays and vanishes
and returns.
Adam Zagajewski, tr. Clare Cavanagh
Having a coke with you - Frank O’Hara
Beat me too it
runs to google. Thank you.
Love (III)- George Herbert
Love bade me welcome. Yet my soul drew back
Guilty of dust and sin.
But quick-eyed Love, observing me grow slack
From my first entrance in,
Drew nearer to me, sweetly questioning,
If I lacked any thing.
A guest, I answered, worthy to be here:
Love said, You shall be he.
I the unkind, ungrateful? Ah my dear,
I cannot look on thee.
Love took my hand, and smiling did reply,
Who made the eyes but I?
Truth Lord, but I have marred them: let my shame
Go where it doth deserve.
And know you not, says Love, who bore the blame?
My dear, then I will serve.
You must sit down, says Love, and taste my meat:
So I did sit and eat.
A Great, psychologically profound, except the part about tasting meat..middle school ruined me
Taste my meat 😳😳😳
I find this really moving. What human love should aspire to (but of course it's an impossible ask).
I don't really understand poetry that well, so my choices are really basic:
Saddest poem - Pablo Neruda
Mad girls love song - Sylvia Plath
The Red Wheelbarrow - William Carlos Williams
And my go to feel good bless is the lake isle of innisfree by Yeats
Based Yeats choice
Seconding The Lake Isle of Innisfree. Have you ever heard a recording of Yeats reading it? The rhythm of the poem is so beautiful, it's one of my favorites.
Politics by Yeats. It’s the concept and understatement, coming at the end of his life.
Mfw O that I were young again and held her in my arms. Love that poem, so succinct
I’m not too well-read in poetry so my picks might be a bit basic. But these are the ones that touched me and stuck with me the most:
Kahlil Gibran: Defeat
Edmund Cooke: How did you die?
ME Frye: Do not stand at my grave and weep
Walter Wintle: State of Mind
And of course the even more obvious picks of Tennyson’s Ulysses and Dylan Thomas’s Do Not Go Gentle… would be remiss not to mention.
The Lake Isle of Innisfree by Yeats
I will arise and go now, and go to Innisfree,
And a small cabin build there, of clay and wattles made;
Nine bean-rows will I have there, a hive for the honey-bee,
And live alone in the bee-loud glade.
And I shall have some peace there, for peace comes dropping slow,
Dropping from the veils of the morning to where the cricket sings;
There midnight’s all a glimmer, and noon a purple glow,
And evening full of the linnet’s wings.
I will arise and go now, for always night and day
I hear lake water lapping with low sounds by the shore;
While I stand on the roadway, or on the pavements grey,
I hear it in the deep heart’s core.
🙏🏻👏great poem
I did see someone already mentioned Innisfree in this thread, so Stone by Qassim Haddad is another good poem.
I often return to long poems (Anne Carson, Octavio Paz, Vincent Huidobro) or epics. To fit here, a poem in which a surface becomes a depth becomes a question:
Boy Breaking Glass by BY GWENDOLYN BROOKS
Whose broken window is a cry of art
(success, that winks aware
as elegance, as a treasonable faith)
is raw: is sonic: is old-eyed première.
Our beautiful flaw and terrible ornament.
Our barbarous and metal little man.
“I shall create! If not a note, a hole.
If not an overture, a desecration.”
Full of pepper and light
and Salt and night and cargoes.
“Don’t go down the plank
if you see there’s no extension.
Each to his grief, each to
his loneliness and fidgety revenge.
Nobody knew where I was and now I am no longer there.”
The only sanity is a cup of tea.
The music is in minors.
Each one other
is having different weather.
“It was you, it was you who threw away my name!
And this is everything I have for me.”
Who has not Congress, lobster, love, luau,
the Regency Room, the Statue of Liberty,
runs. A sloppy amalgamation.
A mistake.
A cliff.
A hymn, a snare, and an exceeding sun.
I like it. Her “we real cool” has stuck with me.
Steps by Frank O’Hara Animals by Frank O’Hara On Seeing the Elgin Marbles by Keats Antony and Cleopatra by WS Paradoxes and Oxymorons by John Ashbery
The Garden by Marvell
https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/44682/the-garden-56d223dec2ced
Holy Sonnets: Batter my Heart, three-personed God By John Donne
Batter my heart, three-person'd God, for you
As yet but knock, breathe, shine, and seek to mend;
That I may rise and stand, o'erthrow me, and bend
Your force to break, blow, burn, and make me new.
I, like an usurp'd town to another due,
Labor to admit you, but oh, to no end;
Reason, your viceroy in me, me should defend,
But is captiv'd, and proves weak or untrue.
Yet dearly I love you, and would be lov'd fain,
But am betroth'd unto your enemy;
Divorce me, untie or break that knot again,
Take me to you, imprison me, for I,
Except you enthrall me, never shall be free,
Nor ever chaste, except you ravish me.
David Berman’s “Self-Portrait at 28” is one I think a line from all the time just incidentally
https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/49304/sunflower-sutra
<3
YES. Wrote a paper on this for class once.
The area around sunflowers can often be devoid of other plants, leading to the belief that sunflowers kill other plants.
Valediction a forbidding mourning by Dunne
Andrew Marvell, "The Mower to the Glowworms"
Ye living lamps, by whose dear light
The nightingale does sit so late,
And studying all the summer night,
Her matchless songs does meditate;
Ye country comets, that portend
No war nor prince’s funeral,
Shining unto no higher end
Than to presage the grass’s fall;
Ye glow-worms, whose officious flame
To wand’ring mowers shows the way,
That in the night have lost their aim,
And after foolish fires do stray;
Your courteous lights in vain you waste,
Since Juliana here is come,
For she my mind hath so displac’d
That I shall never find my home.
Ada Limon State Bird:
And Morning Song by Sylvia Plath
Love set you going like a fat gold watch. The midwife slapped your footsoles, and your bald cry
Took its place among the elements.
Our voices echo, magnifying your arrival. New statue. In a drafty museum, your nakedness Shadows our safety. We stand round blankly as walls.
I’m no more your mother Than the cloud that distills a mirror to reflect its own slow Effacement at the wind’s hand.
All night your moth-breath Flickers among the flat pink roses. I wake to listen: A far sea moves in my ear.
One cry, and I stumble from bed, cow-heavy and floral In my Victorian nightgown. Your mouth opens clean as a cat’s. The window square
Whitens and swallows its dull stars. And now you try Your handful of notes; The clear vowels rise like balloons.
Love the George Herbert poem most but the first that came to mind was Peanut Butter by Eileen Myles. I can't figure out how to format it so you'll have to google yourself
It’s a contemporary style I personally don’t dig, the sort of jump-cut accumulation of clauses, but I respect it, thanks
George oppen
Pope‘s “An essay on criticism”
When I have Fears That I May Cease to Be
That’s called mf bars
Love this, dude. Thanks.
You’re a great man and this is a great thread.
🙏🏻
Theory of Memory by Louise Gluck (also her poem From a Journal)
For Grace, After a Party by Frank O’Hara
The Letter by Linda Gregg
I would’ve said “Having a Coke with You,” but someone beat me to it so i’ll say “Piano” by D.H. Lawrence as it comes to mind.
Yeah. That trip down memory lane type of poem gives you all the feels.
Ocean Vuong
Yeah I don’t wanna be a dick because you nicely shared a poem, but get that shit off my phone bro 😂 sorry I just think OV is overrated
whys that? im curious lol
Well, he got big pretty quickly and it seemed to me in large part due to his writing about sodomy and being Asian. But that’s not why he doesn’t do it for me, I just think his writing is a little “precious,” maybe. But I guess who knows why X appeals to one person, and Y to another. Some of my loved ones enjoy Morgan Wallen, for instance
yeah, his novel is banned in his home country, like alot of other diaspora writers. i think a part of his 'preciousness' comes from him being a buddhist too
I didn't upvote or downvote, but didn't understand the poem. I liked the way the image of the eye seemed to flicker.
Really?