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u/A_Generous_Rank avatar

Representing languages with flags is kind of silly anyway.

There are communities of native speakers of English and French on every continent.

u/ubiquitousfoolery avatar

Tbh, I think it's better. There are more US-Americans than British people anyway, so why not lol.

but it‘s called english and not american for a reason… And in Luxembourg, schools teach british english and not american english.

u/ubiquitousfoolery avatar

Oh, right, that has me entirely convinced now. I salute thy eloquence and grovel in front of your marvelous albeit dogmatic argument. A point well put forward indeed.

u/ubiquitousfoolery avatar

Oh, right, that has me entirely convinced now. I salute thy eloquence and grovel in front of your marvelous albeit dogmatic argument. A point well put forward indeed.

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With portuguese it's the same. Brazilian flags everywhere

Many people here also use the Dutch flag to represent Luxembourg🤷

u/greedyasswhore avatar

Still stuck in the past I guess 😂

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u/wolfmilk74 avatar

you learn english in class and american through the movies ...^

u/wolfmilk74 avatar

actually our teachers always pointed out the differences between both... they all should know both ^

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u/Fun-Wall-2224 avatar

This made me curious, are there more US or UK citizens residing in Luxembourg?

There are more Brit’s but the official number of Brits dropped significantly due to Brexit. However many people, like my husband and daughter are still British but listed under their EU nationality acquired due to Brexit.

Plenty. I've met some of them.

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u/BXL-LUX-DUB avatar

Aren't we forgetting someone?

Edited

Is é Gaeilge na teanga an domhain in Éireann, tá bearla na teanga á Sásanna.

Luxembourg and Ireland are very similar linguistically. Just as French isn't the native language of Luxembourg, neither is English in Ireland.

So, no, we haven't forgotten anyone 😒

P.S. I'll also reference Gaeilge being the official language of Ireland in the European Union, hence documents, speeches etc..now being translated into Gaeilge.

u/ubiquitousfoolery avatar

But Luxembourgish is more commonly spoken in Luxembourg than Irish in Ireland. There are no native Luxembourgers who don't speak Luxembourgish. I've heard that many Irish people don't understand Irish though. The reason is simple, neither Napoleon, nor Hitler held the territory long enough to (nearly) erradicate our language. The English simply had more time to try and eliminate Irish. Luckily they did not fully succeed and I hear there are good efforts to make Irish more common again. Is this true?

We'll have to take apart your paragraph a little bit to answer everything accurately

But Luxembourgish is more commonly spoken in Luxembourg than Irish in Ireland.

This is fully true. I can confirm, however, when it comes to written language, the same as Luxembourg, all public information (including street signs, announcements on public transport and so on) are bi-lingual.

There are no native Luxembourgers who don't speak Luxembourgish.

I'd agree with this, unlike in say, Germany, one can find many congregations of certain ethnic groups who don't speak German.

I've heard that many Irish people don't understand Irish though.

This is disappointingly true. We've had a plethora of programmes as well as documentaries on this.

No Bearla was a popular one many years ago. Go straight to 04:40 on this link to see a very good example as to what you're saying https://youtu.be/eyll-bBZzyk?feature=shared

Some examples are funny, other examples are plain worrying.

The reason is simple, neither Napoleon, nor Hitler held the territory long enough to (nearly) erradicate our language.

That's a tough comment to make. As I'm not Luxembourgish, nor versed well enough in Luxembourgish history to say yay nor nay...I'm going to Riverdance my way to the side of this one 😅

The English simply had more time to try and eliminate Irish

This is completely true. 800 years to be exact with a variety of monarchs imposing bans on Gaeilge in different forms.

Luckily they did not fully succeed and I hear there are good efforts to make Irish more common again.

This would be mainly due to locals rebelling in the form of linguistic resilience, a method of retaining a part of one's culture. Additionally to that, in more recent times, we can thank something called "hedge schools". Secret schools operating to teach Gaeilge to preserve the language against all odds.

u/ubiquitousfoolery avatar

Cool, thanks for taking tge time to reply in such detail :) I hope Irish can experience a true renaissance then, because I agree that a local language does much to affirm and strengthen a local culture.

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u/BXL-LUX-DUB avatar

Someone passed their Irish Highers and got an EU job, did they? I'm not forgetting the first national but I don't think anyone in Luxembourg is going to recognise it.

Funny enough I didn't do higher level (despite the school's several attempts to keep slipping me into it) and yes, I did work in an EU job before but not using Irish as it wasn't recognised at the time.

You'd be surprised how many do know that Ireland has her own national language. Either way, as a fellow compatriot, we ought not to be encouraging associating English with our flag.

....though...to be a little controversial, speaking of Luxembourg and the English language: Mr Juncker said in a State of the Union address in Florence at the EUI that he was finally happy for the English language to dwindle:

https://youtu.be/O0FXRfAtIWc?feature=shared

I felt very awkward for us in Ireland and of course our friends in Malta, considering the sensitive situation at the time as well as questions over whether English could continue to be used as an official language in the EU

u/BXL-LUX-DUB avatar

Well I had a convention with a Belgian last week who didn't know Luxembourg had it's own language so you might be a bit optimistic but OK. Can we compromise on

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Well do you say pants or trousers?

u/ThatWillBeTheDay avatar

Flashlight or torch?

Fleshlight

u/EvilGnNeraL avatar

Winner.

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North American English is more understandable. People have more difficulties understanding Brits than North Americans English. That is not the point. Many Americans have reclaimed their Luxembourg passports, so this most likely a consequence.

no… british english is MUCH more clear. American english sounds like you got a hot potato in your mouth and can’t speak properly. Sticking words and vowels together doesn‘t make it more understandable.

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I agree tho. Clearer accent to understand, but that's just my opinion. I understand the Brits too.

u/eyebrowser95 avatar

Hahaha what drugs are you on?!

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u/jredland avatar

Which version of English are they using? British and American English have different spelling (colour vs color, s’s vs z’s) and therefore localization is specific to a version. If the site uses American spelling I guess it makes sense. I also wonder if now given the prominence of American English in media and internet if more people associate English with the USA vs England.

u/A_Generous_Rank avatar

Differences between American and British spelling and vocabulary are too small for anyone to worry about.

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IDK, I see Union Jack's much more often than the US flag on websites.

u/NostokAgain avatar

Mostly these days I see FR, DE, LU, EN, PT or the language written in full in the language you are viewing the page in, or in the language it is representing if they have thought about easier access.

u/Pandafauste avatar

Really? I very rarely see Union Jack flags, (doesn't help that Luxembourg is landlocked).

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Oh the tragedy!

Welp, that’s what they get for leaving the Union. If Portugal tries the same, the instant they do so, all of Portuguese language will be represented with 🇧🇷

last time i checked, the US was not in the union either, never joined and never left so this doesn‘t make any sense lol.

No, we’re representing the English language with the American flag as retaliation for the UK leaving the EU.

I understand what you were saying. You don‘t have to repeat. It still doesn‘t make any sense even when you repeat it another 3 times. Protesting that they left by using a flag of a country that has never joined the EU in the first place doesn‘t make sense no matter how much mental gymnastics you‘re trying to do lol.

No it’s using the colony country as the representative for the language of the original country.

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u/wearelev avatar

Even better, every time I see UK my mind automatically translates that as Ukraine.

u/wi11iedigital avatar

Your point?

Wait until you see Portuguese represented by a Brazilian flag

That would be strange! However, there are so many people from Portugal here, I think that won't happen.

Except in that case, it is the nicer sounding Portuguese (except if it's from Rio) 🙃

u/TheOneKingCobra avatar

wdym except for Rio😡 u jealous

No, they sh sh sh too much that's all.

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You mean the one you can actually understand? 😉

u/ubiquitousfoolery avatar

Same for Spanish. Mexican Spanish is easier for learners to understand, because they tend to speak more clearly and more slowly than the Spanish in Europe.

All over South America (with the notable exception of Chile and of course local dialects like Costeño in Colombia), I found Spanish to be a lot easier to understand than anywhere in Spain

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Sim 😊

Also, most Portuguese translations and subtitles are in Brazilian Portuguese, so it ain't that wrong for most of the time. Dito for American English. For the times they are a changin.

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Rip England, slowly disappearing

Brexit consequences.

And... kmh... other factors.

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u/qadet avatar

As someone who worked on localization; this shit is hard. There are certain languages that you can’t represent with a flag without angering a few countries. That’s why you use LB EN DE FR instead. Not as pretty but more correct.

Scottish on would be better