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So, putting together various rumors...Kingpin puts a bounty on Peter. Kraven wins, buries Peter. The symbiote from NWH post-credit finds Peter, they bond, and he pops out of the grave like that one panel in Kraven's Last Hunt? Sign me up!
I bet Kraven is a no-go because of the Sony movie later this year…BUT…that entire premise could easily be done swapping in Michael Mando’s Scorpion for Kraven
I imagine he’d be the first villain Kingpin buys out of prison to hunt down Spider-Man. Would also track with the rumors of Keaton’s Vulture returning…my guess is that they ignore the Morbius post credit scene altogether.
Or you just play dumb and reverse it.
Let morbius appear in the mcu, then you can play off like that scene was reversed.
True. They could pull a NWH Venom with Vulture, like “hey the multiverse has been unstable, talked to a vampire then these guys named the spider society sent me back here. spider man is trouble.”
"I don't know how I got back here. Something to do with Dr Michael Morbius I think."
No, morbius is 100% canon. This is non negotiable and if they ruin it I will boycott Disney
What time is it?
It's morbing time!
Instead of Scorpion I would use the JMS iteration of Morlun. Adapting that whole coming home chase scene would be awesome.
If we’re talking an overarching villain for the next trilogy- I feel like Morlun could be in the cards, or Roderick Kingsley as Hobgoblin if they handle it correctly.
I feel like they’ll stick to using Venom and other villains who haven’t been adapted on screen yet rather than giving us another Goblin or Doc Ock since we just got to see the prime versions of those villains fight Tom’s Spidey.
Or-hear me out-Ned Leeds as Hobgoblin.
Could they use Kraven's actual name and not refer to him as Kraven? 🤔
Might as well use the Prowler or the Punisher instead
Prowler could actually be likely since Glover returned as him for that cameo in ATSV. Could have been foreshadowing his return in SM4.
Oh I very wholesomely agree but I could see them calling him Sergei using the same premise.
On some "You must be some sort of hunter? 😏" type of shit.
I mean if they make a deal with Sony they could just Kraven and say "multiverse."
But who knows what the rules are, I'm still trying to figure out why Sony seemingly couldn't say the name "Peter Parker" in their own Madame Web movie.
That's such a 2000's comics movie trope though.
"I'm obviously (character x) but the writer wanted to walk the line between edgy and source material."
And hey maybe the symbiote will bond with Mac gargan after Peter gets rid of it, then he will be the mcu’s venom. But I feel like alotta ppl will hate this and want Eddie brock
Except Kraven da much bigger fie is Spider-Man, the movie as i understand is in post production also
You can have scorpion with the symbiote
I’d love if they made him the MCU version of Venom instead of another Eddie Brock, especially since Venom 3 releases soon and the Eddie were used to was in NWH briefly.
Gargan’s Venom in the comics was ruthless and 100% a villain unlike Eddie’s
Ned Venom
I don't think Marvel will use Kraven especially so close to the release of Sony Kraven movie, and you dang well know if Kraven is even on the table Sony won't budge on anyone but ATJ being Kraven. With ATJ already being Quicksilver there's no way in hell Marvel will use him.
Marvel have used the same actor for different roles before. That movie was a decade ago and I doubt more than a small portion of people even notice.
Crap, age of Ultron was almost a decade ago
But Wanda who has had her own series and starred in a movie within the past few years has done nothing but talk about losing her family and brother. Pietro and losing him was a big part of her series, it also shared a moment in the Hawkeye series and don't forget Clint named his son after him.
They are not going to bring him over and explain the change, they would also have to plot it into Scarlet Witches next story. It's too much BS to do.
Bro they have literally recasted roles all the time and no body cared. Gen Z doesn’t even remember age of ultron
They brought back Cottonmouth's actor from the Luke Cage show to play Blade and you think Marvel wouldn't do the exact same thing with ATJ? Since Luke Cage is now canon and everything. And they could easily have Kraven be from the multiverse or something so the actor being the same wouldn't matter from the multiversal aspect alone.
Tbf, Mahershala has yet to actually be seen Blade hahhah
Up until just recently Marvel never admitted Netflix shows were canon and Ali was linked to Blade years ago.
And I'm still not sure how they will bring in the Netflix shows, Born Again will be the first real big showing.
Blade is a supernatural creature. It's very to have one person play an alien and be recast as someone else on Earth. See Gemma Chan and Michelle Yeoh for example!
Spider-Man 4 isn’t coming out till summer 2026 at the earliest. That’s a year and a half after Sony’s Kraven movie. If MCU Kraven is completely different then it’s not impossible.
We will know more later in the season. Or perhaps next month at earliest. Rothman was spotted in London having lunch with Holland a few days ago. Also, the final Spider Monday occurs on June 3. It is possible that they will time an announcement within that timeframe. Hell, maybe they can make another change to the second end credit scene and tie things in with SM4. Wouldn't hurt to add a little more hope to that ending.
If this is is what Sony is pushing for then by god it might be the one smart thing Sony's gonna do with Spider-Man.
I fear that they're pushing for this as a way to canonize their Kraven movie into the MCU, and not the Sonyverse, and Marvel might be resistent to doing it because they're pivoting with their whole "Quality over quantity" thing, and a Kraven movie being one of the first new projects is gonna sour that idea immediately.
But please do a Kraven movie. I don't care how much people like it, Spider-Man 3 never should have been a multiverse movie as a way of doing an "Origin" movie for Peter, it should have been a grounded movie with Kraven as the antagonist, because Kraven challanges Peter both physically (like Vulture) and mentally (like Mysterio) so he ties up the tirlogy neater
I couldn't agree more. In hindsight, the final film seems to be deliberately contrived as a result of real world studio events. I have an idea for an alternate MCU Spider-Man thread/plotline that doesn't involve a multiverse event. Vulture, Mysterio, and Kraven, then move to crime bosses and/or symbiote for college. Maybe you can use Electro. But Original Green Goblin and Doc Ock are not covered.
Is Kraven rumored to be in it?
Some people think that Kraven’s inclusion might be one of Sony’s big ask, per the RPK rumor of creative differences between Sony and Marvel
I know Holland has wanted Kraven to begin with, but this Kraven is an assassination of the character
Ages ago, there was speculation that he could be. I do not think we have much in the realm of confirmation.
Holy shit. It's that's what they're actually doing that's fucking peak and I need it!
Good Theory.
But I would not bet on Kraven hunting Peter for Kingpin yet.
Fisk has more insidious ways to threaten people and Kraven would not budge. This theory would work only if the Kraven movie doesn't flop like the earlier Sony movies.
They won’t have enough time after Kraven’s release to make that call. But they could announce Kraven for SM4 and use it to boost sales for the Kraven movie.
Goes without saying that Sony doesn't have enough confidence that Kraven would succeed at the BO.
This is basically the plot to Spider-Man 2 (the video game from last year)
You. Me. Same page.
As long as Kraven doesn't one-shot him.
Sadly Marvel Studios stopped doing one-shots a while ago.
I agree, but I'm curious in how Zendaya fits in all of this. Will she be the one that brings him back from the dark side somehow?
Oh sick. Ya that sounds cool.
Wonder if they'll do that with the shitty Kraven movie on the horizon tho
Then Peter takes the Symbiote and kicks Kingpin's ass in a horrific manner a la Back In Black.
Okay that would be Great use of Both Kraven last Hunt AND Black Suit Arc
This is legitimately just the video game
It isn't
I dig it
Director is Sam Raimi 😳🙏🏻😭🔥🔥🔥
Came to same Basically the same thing, brother. Except for Kraven, sadly.
How does one vigilante murdering another vigilante work out in Fisk's favor? Unless his public persona is anti vigilante and his nocturnal MO is recruiting thugs and weaponizing them to do vigilante justice, and by justice I mean organized crime that pretends (hardly convincing I might add) to be necessary evil? It feels very cliche, like random military guy in charge of secret defense program ruins his own world domination plans by being extra af.
Most likely.
Holy shit, I fucking love that idea. Of Peter dying, and the Symbiote bringing him back
Could be a powerful azz scene, man, and a great way to emotionally tie it to Peter
I'm pleased to announce that Spidey 2 PS5 did exactly this, albeit in a probably much shorter sequence than it could've been
GUESS YOUR BOSS NEEDS BETTER AIM
Guess I don't need to play it after that announcement. Glad you're pleased though.
Peter didn't die in that game
He basically does die. Kraven stabs him and MJ is crying over his body until the symbiote fuses with him, from what I remember.
Spoiler tag?
In the subreddit name
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Fucking hated the execution in that game.
I don't like SM2's Kraven, at all.
I must be the only person in the world who had no issues with the game. Fucking loved it from start to finish, just wish it was longer so it could do the symbiote arc and Venom the justice they deserve
I’m with ya!
Pretty much my complaint too, the Symbiote Peter and Venom stuff needed like an hour or two extra to let it sink in, raise the stakes
Nah man, I'm with you too. Fantastic game, just don't go into the actual game sub. They hate everything there
I love the game too. No issues at all. Honestly the way people rant about the game is just embarrassing.
Agreed. When your Kraven needs unlimited amounts of men and military-grade equipment, you lost me
Kraven The Hunter >>> Kraven The Warmonger
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This is exactly the shit take Sony was looking for. You’re hired!
Did they rehire the writers of the original TASM3 plans or what...
Apparently this particular movie is way more high-concept than... Whatever it is that they were doing with that insane "
Khan'sPeter's magic science-y blood can cure death and make clones!" pitch.Comment deleted by user
POV: you’re Andrew Garfield’s Spidey in the Black Suit fighting the Sinister Six
I can hear this image.
You need a little bit of crazy tbh. She seems to thrive working alongside Marvel Studios and has been very supportive of the deal. Luckily it seems like Feige’s sensibility balances perfectly with her crazy.
The comment above yours is deleted, but if you're referring to Amy Pascal, it needs to be said that Amy Pascal was never the crazy one. The only crazy thing Pascal actually did was the Sandwich Incident of 2014. Other than that incident, Pascal has been a pretty good producer. She was the one who fought for Raimi to direct Spider-Man. She was the biggest champion for Andrew Garfield's casting. She tried to keep Feige involved in notes processes even when Avi and others clearly didn't want him there and didn't listen to his notes at all. She fought for Lord and Miller to make Spider-Verse. She threw away her job as boss of Sony in order to give Spider-Man to Feige when she came to her senses after the sandwich incident. And she took her own new company away from the SSU as soon as she saw what Venom turned into when she left, and thus kept herself out of the clusterfuck Avi started in her absence. All while keeping herself tethered to Feige, Lord, and Miller. I'm sort of missing what counts as "crazy" in her resume?
And on the subject of the sandwich incident, really step-by-step put yourself in her shoes:
Given a super high-pressure position of authority in a company that you didn't ask for that takes you away from direct involvement in film productions.
A competitor's success demands you aggressively green-light projects in your lucrative superhero franchise to compete and appease shareholders.
You're now managing a bunch of idiot producers on those projects who don't listen to other people including you. You have no direct creative involvement anymore, your passion is being sucked away from you.
Those films fail, and shareholders decide to blame everything on you instead of considering anyone else could be blamed. Notorious imbecile Avi Arad who interferes and never listens to anyone gets more promotions while your job is now on thin ice because of his fuck-up.
The media and internet hates you because you're a woman in charge of a studio and you green-lit several female-centric projects that they decided were terrible before even giving them a chance.
Note: Yes, some of those projects ended up bad, but that doesn't justify the hatred spewed on them from first green-light. Both things can be true, the project I'm trying really, really hard not to name can be bad and the hate against it can be disgusting.
The guy who your producers didn't listen to, the guy who made that super successful franchise your shareholders desperately want you to emulate, the guy who works for the studio that scares the living daylights out of you (Disney)... Kevin Feige himself, steps into your office, and his words are "Just let us do it instead".
Let me really emphasize that: Your major competitor and an employee of the studio that terrifies you asks for you to hand over your franchise, which you've been involved with for over a decade by that point. A decision that would surely (And did for the record) cost you your job at the studio.
You have a sandwich in your hands.
... Tell me you wouldn't throw that sandwich at him too.