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Gaslighting and Infidelity

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 Beachwalker (original poster member #70472) posted at 8:29 AM on Thursday, May 16th, 2024

Here at S.I. we talk a lot about gaslighting. In this article, Wayne Baker, M.A., LPC talks about it coupled with infidelity. He also defines it, which has given me a new perspective on just what gaslighting is.

Please let me know if this article helps you in any way.


Gaslighting coupled with infidelity is extremely toxic.

When talking about gaslighting or infidelity, each on its own can devastate the safety and trust of any relationship. But together, they form an especially dangerous mix. Understanding their dynamics and learning how to navigate the impact can be the first step in healing and preventing even further harm.

The term gaslighting originated from a 1944 film called Gaslight, where a husband manipulates his wife into believing and thinking that she's actually losing her mind. Gaslighting is a form of intentional, psychological manipulation, where the gaslighter seeks to sow seeds of doubt or trigger moments of insanity in their targeted individual, making them question their own memory, discernment, sanity, and stability. This is usually accomplished by belittling, denying, or altering the truth. This behavior is a twisted way for the gaslighter to maintain their faltering sense of self-esteem and hold onto the relationship.

It's a maladaptive form of protection, and honestly, as an Internal Family Systems Therapist, I see the need to get in there and help understand what this protector's goals are, where the gaslighting is coming from, and what the person might be trying to protect.

That doesn't mean their behavior is not hurtful. The gaslighting doesn't help the gaslighter, and it's harmful to the one being gaslit. Unpacking this requires a lot of work. It is not easy for a couple to overcome because there are a lot of layers to it.

The person that's using the gaslighting needs a target. Whether they fully realize it or not, their goal in gaslighting is typically to keep the others from seeing their faults and insecurities in order to keep them in the relationship.

It's important to remember that gaslighting is an intentional behavior that belittles someone's sense of themselves or their reality or their experience. The intention of the gaslighting is to cause confusion. Contrary to many people's belief, memory is fallible. That means that remembering things differently, disagreeing on what you remember, or having a different perspective, is not always gaslighting. It's not a behavior that you see in your romantic partner that you simply don't like. Gaslighting is far more intentional and extreme than that.

If there's no intent to harm, I don't believe it's gaslighting. When an unfaithful partner lies because they're feeling a lot of shame, I don't think that's gaslighting either. The question that I ask about the person that I suspect is gaslighting, is what does this person stand to gain by this behavior? Do they stand to gain the upper hand, or are they trying to avoid losing something? That's a really important question. What is the gain here? And sometimes there's a lot of work that goes into fleshing that out. It's not always apparent. It's not always easy to find.

Let's go back to infidelity for a minute. Infidelity refers to any act of unfaithfulness in a committed relationship. You know, at Affair Recovery, we simply define infidelity as the keeping of secrets. This breach of safety and trust takes many forms, from one-night stands to emotional affairs to physical affairs to long-term, emotionally and physically entangled relationships. The common thread across all the types of infidelity is secrecy and the energy spent at keeping the secrets. So, let's talk for a minute about where these two things overlap.

When someone is committing infidelity, or they're being unfaithful in any way, they often employ gaslighting tactics to keep their partner in the dark. Remember, gaslighting includes the intention to question your sanity. Infidelity, in any of its forms, requires a level of deception. Gaslighting can often be a useful tool in maintaining that deception.

Here's how it typically unfolds. Here are some of the most common examples that I see in my therapy practice. The first thing I see is denial. The wayward partner will deny any wrongdoing, even when confronted, even in the face of evidence.

The next thing I see is trivialization or minimizing. The wayward partner may admit to the act, but they'll downplay its significance. "We were just friends." "It was a harmless flirt." "It only happened once."

Another thing I observe is blame shifting. This is where they might turn the tables and blame their partner. "If you had only paid more attention to me." "If you weren't so busy." "If you weren't always gone."

Sometimes, I see the wayward partner outright questioning the state of their partner's sanity. They imply that their partner has a case of paranoia, are delusional or emotionally unstable, or are unnecessarily suspicious.

Any of these can lead to the betrayed partner feeling lost, confused, or doubting their intuition or sense of reality. And the prolonged experience can have severe emotional and psychological effects, including anxiety and depression, diminished self-worth, and all kinds of things like that.

When you combine all that, the impact of gaslighting while dealing with the fallout of infidelity can be deep and long lasting. And gaslighting, if it's there, has got to be dealt with quickly because the long-term effects are going to be very damaging for the relationship.

You know, I believe that safety is foundational to any relationship. If we're not creating or fostering safety inside the relationship, and there's clearly not more safety inside the relationship than there is outside the relationship, then I ask the question: What are we doing here?

Infidelity on its own can leave the betrayed spouse struggling deeply with anguishing feelings of inadequacy and fear, hurt, rage, and grief. This continual state of despair coupled with gaslighting can be mentally exhausting and very damaging. That's why safety has to be job #1 in the aftermath of infidelity.

One of the worst things I see after infidelity and with the presence of gaslighting, is betrayed partners being isolated from their family and friends. I would also encourage you to watch Rick's video on Psychological Abuse, which also speaks to gaslighting. People tell me, and I've witnessed it, that people who have experienced gaslighting become embarrassed about their own perceived flaws. The gaslighter has convinced them that others see their flaws and can't be trusted. The betrayed spouse starts to question themselves at a deeper and deeper level if this persists for any length of time.

There are physical effects that happen to the stress and anxiety from living with somebody that's repeatedly gaslighting you. The infidelity can manifest itself in a host of physical ways, such as insomnia, nightmares, weight changes, and all other stress-related illnesses.

There's this dance. My good friend and infidelity therapist colleague, Job Lopez, suggested that couples frequently are convinced that the other one is gaslighting them. They both feel like they've been gaslit, and I have to say that I see that in my practice too. In these extremely emotional and stressful situations, gaslighting can be a coping mechanism.

Again, I go back to the "parts" language. This part of them has a deep sense of insecurity, and they may be using these kinds of tactics to stay in the relationship. That requires work with a good IFS therapist or somebody that knows how to work in this type of crisis. In any of these situations, though, what I believe is that good, healthy boundaries are important.

If you perceive that your partner is gaslighting you, the best thing to do is take a break from that conversation, get apart from each other for at least half an hour or maybe longer, and be curious about all the parts of you that are involved. Analyze the parts of you that are hurt, or sad, or furious. It's the part of you that wants your partner to hurt too. No judgment - I'm not here to judge you about any of this. I'm just inviting you to just observe and be curious at the very beginning about it right now.

If you suspect that you're being gaslit and suspect that you might be guilty of that too, I want you to consider all of these following steps.

Trust your logic (head).
Trust your instincts (heart).
Trust your gut.

I do this head, heart, gut exercise with clients a lot, where our head represents our intellect, our heart represents our emotions, and our gut represents our core identity. And they all have a belief, these three minds, if you will. So, you can start with your head. What's going on here? What do you believe about this issue? What's happening? And let your head answer your intellect. Then do the same thing with your heart and the same thing with your gut. Always go back to your head, your heart, and your gut.

When in doubt, always go back to the heart because the heart is central and you'll find an answer there. I know it sounds kind of crazy, but it really does work. And sometimes it works pretty quickly! Sometimes it takes several days or even longer to find out. But I really want people to get "back in their body" because we think a lot, and sometimes the things we think are not true. Get back in the body, go back to your heart, and learn to trust yourself again.

If you're a betrayed spouse, I know, I know, I know, that is really hard to do sometimes. The thing I want you to remember is that this is not your fault. It's not your responsibility to take responsibility for their actions. Also, seek external perspectives. Talk to trusted friends or family or pastors or a therapist who can provide an objective viewpoint and validate your feelings in a healthy way. They might help you see things in a way you maybe haven't before.

Speaking of therapists, please find a good therapist. A professional who is trained in these matters of infidelity recovery will be able to help you through any kind of gaslighting or other offensive or personality disorder behaviors that might be going on. They can help you understand and help you heal from the trauma, then help you decide on the best course of action going forward.

I said earlier, and I'm going to say it again: Boundaries. Set boundaries about what's acceptable in the relationship. Don't engage in lengthy conversations, because sometimes, oftentimes actually, the gaslighter will use your words against you. Prioritize self-care, engage in activities that lift you up. From exercise to meditation to spending time with loved ones, getting out and doing something new is so helpful.

Gaslighting combined with infidelity, can create deeply traumatic experiences. Awareness and understanding are crucial for healing and prevention. No one – no one – deserves to be in a relationship where their impression of reality is constantly being questioned or where trust is repeatedly broken. Everyone has the right to love, connect, respect, and be free from manipulation and betrayal.

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InkHulk ( member #80400) posted at 3:55 PM on Thursday, May 16th, 2024

I saw this article hit my inbox the other day too, thanks for bringing it forward to discuss.

There's this dance. My good friend and infidelity therapist colleague, Job Lopez, suggested that couples frequently are convinced that the other one is gaslighting them. They both feel like they've been gaslit, and I have to say that I see that in my practice too. In these extremely emotional and stressful situations, gaslighting can be a coping mechanism.

They lost me at this part. Any sense of equivalency here, that a betrayed partner is somehow gaslighting the wayward post d-day, it’s nonsense. The gaslighting with regards to infidelity is the wayward telling the betrayed that they are untrusting and over sensitive when their spidey-sense is blaring due to the A. And then maybe again when the wayward tries to rugsweep and pretend like things should be fine again. But how the fuck can a betrayed gaslight anyone in this situation? It speaks to me about the overuse of the term these days and the shitty sentiments in MC of looking for ways to artificially balance the scales between the BS and WS.

People are more important than the relationships they are in.

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NoThanksForTheMemories ( member #83278) posted at 4:14 PM on Thursday, May 16th, 2024

InkHulk, my read of that paragraph is that they're interpreting a BS saying they are okay (when they truly are not okay) is a form of gaslighting in order not to lose the WS and the relationship. It's definitely not as insidious or malicious as what the WS does.

I will never forget my WS telling me I was "being silly" when I said my therapist wondered if he was having an affair as an explanation for our problems. At that point, he was already 1.5 years into his affair. Is it any wonder that I struggle to believe anything he says now? He pouts when I point that out because he's "changed" and he "will never be like that again." I am always reminded of the fable of the boy who cried wolf. Once you lose your credibility, it's very hard to get it back.

WH had a 3 yr EA+PA. Dday1 Nov-22. Dday4 Sep-23. 30 years together. Allowing space for R without commitment.

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SacredSoul33 ( member #83038) posted at 4:24 PM on Thursday, May 16th, 2024

InkHulk, my read of that paragraph is that they're interpreting a BS saying they are okay (when they truly are not okay) is a form of gaslighting in order not to lose the WS and the relationship. It's definitely not as insidious or malicious as what the WS does.

The BS is usually minimizing and fooling themselves, too.

Also, some WSs worry that the BS is gaslighting them by going through the motions of R while they're secretly getting their ducks in a row to leave.

Remove the "I want you to like me" sticker from your forehead and place it on the mirror, where it belongs. ~ Susan Jeffers

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InkHulk ( member #80400) posted at 6:05 PM on Thursday, May 16th, 2024

I believe gaslighting requires subtlety. Any wayward who doesn’t realize that their betrayed is considering leaving in the wake of d-day is clueless, hard to imagine a less subtle situation.

I don’t know, I guess if I put wayward rugsweeping on the list, I could consider this. On second thought I’d remove both and keep it to the concealment of an active A.

People are more important than the relationships they are in.

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SacredSoul33 ( member #83038) posted at 6:39 PM on Thursday, May 16th, 2024

I believe gaslighting requires subtlety. Any wayward who doesn’t realize that their betrayed is considering leaving in the wake of d-day is clueless, hard to imagine a less subtle situation.

Gaslighting is lying to another person about what they're seeing/sensing, right? If the WS is picking up on gut cues that the BS isn't really all in, but the BS is reassuringly saying, "I'm not going anywhere, don't worry", is that gaslighting? It's a necessary lie, but maybe it shouldn't be classified as gaslighting if the lie is to an abuser. Hmm.

Remove the "I want you to like me" sticker from your forehead and place it on the mirror, where it belongs. ~ Susan Jeffers

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 Beachwalker (original poster member #70472) posted at 4:26 AM on Friday, May 17th, 2024

SacredSoul33:

"I'm not going anywhere, don't worry"


I did say something like that to my WW early after D-day, and I meant it. I really was committed to R. After a while of her coverups and lies, I grew weary in the fight. It seemed I was the only one working on saving the M. I soon came to the conclusion that since I am the only one working on saving the M, I'm the only one really wanting is saved. At that point, my attitude changed. I let go of the R and the WW. My quote was no longer valid.

My point is a BS may say something at one point in the discussion, but as time and events pass they might realize what they said needs to be reconsidered. I would say this wouldn't be considered as gaslighting; although, I have read here on SI about BS's intentionally misleading their WS. Their goal was to keep the WS in the dark regarding their true plans for the relationship in order to keep the WS from wrecking the BS's plans in moving forward without the WS.

Is that gaslighting? I don't know. But if you are in a "war" frame of mind, anything goes. In such a case, there are no rules.


InkHulk:

...couples frequently are convinced that the other one is gaslighting them. They both feel like they've been gaslit


Thanks for sharing this outtake. When I read this line, I get the people referenced don't have proof, merely suspect they've been gaslit. "Convinced" and "feel" are not based in fact, but suspicion and opinion. In the many posts I've read here and in my own situation, I know the WS really was gaslighting the BS. I also know people have the tendency to project what they believe and do onto others, especially when what they are doing is wrong. For example, one who steals usually believes "everybody does it". This is how they justify their actions, that it is common and no big deal. In this scenario, I could see the WS actually believing the BS is gaslighting them in return because they have the same common mode of thinking as the thief.

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InkHulk ( member #80400) posted at 5:13 AM on Friday, May 17th, 2024

In this scenario, I could see the WS actually believing the BS is gaslighting them in return because they have the same common mode of thinking as the thief.

I think that is a valid perspective. But this article came from an organization that purports to have something to offer to couples attempting R. If this was the intended message of that organization, they should have stated it. I still stand behind this being a blatant example of the MC industrial complex trying to find ways to artificially level the score. And I fully reject that.

People are more important than the relationships they are in.

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InkHulk ( member #80400) posted at 5:14 AM on Friday, May 17th, 2024

Also, hi. We haven’t really interacted before. That was a solid analysis, I admire that, and I look forward to talking more.

People are more important than the relationships they are in.

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