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Draco Malfoy is it first one definitely and Molly Weasley is the second one for sure.
The number of fics I've seen that make out her first appearance at King's Cross to be some sort of conspiracy is unreal. She's not a pawn trying to lure Harry in, she's just a harried mother trying to involve all her kids.
Not to mention, very very motherly. She has like, 6 kids, when she lays her eyes on the much to skinny, much to small and probably still showing some signs of abuse child, the first thing that runs through her head probably isn't, "there he is, Harry Potter, just do as Dumbledore says!" It's probably, "why the fuck are you so skinny, who do I have to kill"
In fact, the trope of a fandom taking an evil character and making them seem more innocent and desirable than they are is actually named after Draco Malfoy
“Draco in leather pants” - amazing😂. The fact that they have Sephiroth’s photo here is perfect.
The sad thing is, there's a version that means the opposite of the "Draco in Leather pants" trope and it's called the Ron the Death Eater trope.
I feel old. I remember when it was Legolas in leather pants 😂
Draco i feel has the potential for a redemption arc, but Joanne didn't go through with it.
Yeah, the setup is all there for it, and then there's no follow-through. Draco could have broke good and become an ally, defied his parents. It would have made Narcissa's actions in the forest after Harry is "killed" hold that much more weight.
We see him regret joining in the 6th book, he could have been an exploration of how kids grow up in echo chambers of their parent's beliefs and join radical groups like the DE or are forced in, and how difficult and dangerous it can be to get out. But nooo instead we get a quarter-assed Snape redemption and that creepy "always" line, while KNOWING that if the prophecy had been about Neville then Snape would have never given a shit
I honestly can't stand it when Draco is made some kind of martyr even to the detriment of the real heroes of the story or some kind of good guy "forced" to be a bully. It's ridiculous.
Dumbledore. Everyone apparently collectively hates him and makes him the big evil manipulator in their fics XD.
Yeah he's seen as this manipulative bastard. They play into or outright write the conspiracy theories like he was the one who cast the Fidelius Charm on the Potters and knew Pettigrew was secret keeper but let Sirius rot in Azkaban so Harry would have to suffer at the Dursleys. Stuff like that.
Yeah. I don't even like Molly much, but I still don't want to read fics that bash her incessantly.
Immediately after Good Omens Season 2, it was Aziraphale. I can always tell fics that were published July/August 2023 because he’s portrayed in an unfairly horrible light. That’s abated somewhat but I still have to defend his honor on occasion.
You’re kidding! I really thought, naively I suppose, that the Good Omens fandom would be above things like this, and overreactions to a character making — gasp a mistake! — were reserved for fiction targeted at teenagers.
I’ll admit that I largely stay away from online fandoms, in general, after lurking a peek into mine some months ago and being absolutely horrified at the outright douchey behavior. (Apparently, anyone who ships my fave pairing belongs in an asylum, writes love letters to serial killers, and is a “bad person.” Probably some other ridiculous stuff that I’m forgetting, but you get the idea.)
Oh well! Yay, fanfics and fanfic bubbles! Where we not only accept, but appreciate, complexity and nuance and gradual growth!
lol when I first read Good Omens I didn't like Aziraphale, so it was hard to find fics that I enjoy. But I totally agreed with Aziraphales motives in s2 and didn't get the hate on him.
That was just an absolutely evil place to leave off the season and I would argue was incredibly OOC for him, even if it is canon
It's obvious he's highly conflicted about it and S3 will be a redemption arc.
Yeah, but when it happened there was no guarantee of S3
True, but Neil had said he would write a book if Good Omens wasn’t renewed for Season 3. So the fans would always get to see the redemption arc.
I didn’t like it either, because the first season/og book is aziraphale developing his mindset into understanding humans, mortality and true justice. He stops believing in all the heaven says and takes his own path.
Season two destroyed that; and it’s so inherently against his character it’s a mess
It’s also blatantly against what Pratchett and Gaiman said they were doing when writing Good Omens—make each other laugh
First thing outta my mouth was “THIS WOULDN’T MAKE PRATCHETT LAUGH!!”
Yeah! I personally didn’t like the season at all. The new romance while not bad also sucked ass ngl, it pretty much made belzebub and Gabriel oc
The second picture is Sakura Haruno from Naruto, the girl is pretty decent, she has her flaws and said something bad when she was 12, but nothing terrible, but people treat her as if she’s the worst villain ever xd
It annoys me so much. She was a 12 year old from a civilian household. She changed SO much but people like to treat her like she’s some horrible witch
That's kind of the sad thing with Sakura, she comes from a relatively normal upbringing with somewhat normal problems, so it all just seems trivial or like her whining when compared to the rest of the cast. How can you vent about your parents when half your friends are orphans? And that's not anything on Sakura, Kishimoto just didn't know what to do with her most the time. Which is a shame because she embodies that "hard work over talent/inheritance" idea a lot more than most of the cast.
She really does. She had the chakra control and the brains to do pretty much anything. (Not to mention that she was supposed to be a genjutsu type)
That is why I love fics about her. People get SO creative
not to mention I’m pretty sure her parents kind of suck a little
I also partially blame Kishimotos writing of female characters for this. All of my male friends who have watched the show dislike her as she was just kind of made to be a dislikable/useless character. Even in shippuden where she becomes really powerful it get's completely dwarfed out by Naruto and Sasuke and honestly most of the other high skill/high power characters.
She is a character that had so much potential only for it all to be wasted away as a support character who's only meaning was to make the main characters look better.
She's fairly unlikeable at times, and not only during their twelve year old phase. It's blown out of proportion terribly though. I don't like her but I've read FICS bashing her that portrayed her as much worse, delusional even, and it didn't feel earned by the story, so I stay away from her bashing tag. I'd be interested in reading a story that acknowledges her flaws and has her learning from them, but that's not easy to find.
This! Also Sakura in the Manga vs Sakura in the anime are so different. I feel like the studio had a vendetta against Sakura and made her worse on purpose than what Kishimoto originally wrote.
Coriolanus Snow
They cast an attractive actor in his role and instantly being a murderous dictator is forgiven. Even though he tries to shoot his love interest for his own self promotion, people still heavily ship the Snow/Gray pairing and I find the ones who are into it scream the loudest in that fandom too.
Wait people make him out to be a good guy? Oh hell nah
Honestly I’ve been fangirling the guy ever since I read the prequel but I’m an unashamed villain fangirl
While I do think some fans act on confirmation bias while claiming he was irredeemable from the very start yeah he’s been a piece of shit from the start
Eh I've read the book not seen the movie. The whole book is basically about why he turned evil and what caused him to do what he did. Its basically deep character analysis I love it
I don’t get it. I fucking love this guy AS a villain.
FRRRRR
Crowley in Supernatural Picture 1, people forget he killed a lot of people.
Almost any love interest in Supernatural in Picture 2, especially Jo and Lisa.
I never noticed that.
And I mean technically everyone in that show killed a lot of people or in deans case even tortured them
for the first picture? jiang cheng from MDZS, no doubt. I’m sure a lot of the people who write him as a cute tsundere are perfectly aware of how OOC it is and just want to indulge in their fantasies but also like. I want to be able to read him being extremely insecure and unfairly lashing out and have characters call him out for it, without him being treated like a cartoon villain either. I want him to be treated as the morally grey character he is, essentially.
My first thought as well.
I read a lovely fic in which JC was a kind and caring leader and helped LXC over-coming grief and depression. It was very nice, but we know in canon he would have been "Why the fuck is that my problem? Get the fuck outta here."
Recently there was a post on the mdzs subreddit about someone who just couldn’t understand why people dislike Jiang Cheng and I was like???? Did we read the same story?? Lol
That's probably just it. I have a sneaking suspicion most of these people watched The Untamed and didn't read the book at all.
I saw that post. 😂
Jiang Cheng is actually BOTH of those pictures somehow lol.
He is a flawed not good person but some parts of the fandom make him worse than the main villains of the show.
But other parts of fandom make him innocent uwu victim of evil Wei Wuxian which is also weird.
First picture: Mukuro Ikusaba. Holy. Fucking. Shit. It pisses me off so much. Fanon Mukuro is just UwU abused bean, nothing wrong with her at all, it’s all Junko’s fault! It’s not that she’s a bad person, she just can’t refuse to do what Junko wants because of the abuse! Canon Mukuro? Literally no morals. Mukuro does not possess morality. All she has is “does it make the person I love happy”. In the official AU where she ends up on the side of good, she still has no morality. She’s just broken up with Junko and glommed onto Makoto, so now “does it make the person I love happy” is running on Makoto rather than Junko.
Under Junko, she slaughtered a classroom of middle schoolers, personally tortured and lobotomized a woman to brainwash her, slaughtered a bunch of security guards, served in a PMC in the Middle East during the War on Terror between 2007 and 2010, personally chose to deliver an innocent woman to Junko for Junko to brainwash, torture, and rape, and oh yeah was instrumental in Junko’s plan to kill over 6 billion people and almost all life on Earth. She felt no remorse, shame, or guilt for this. The only time she ever cared about human life was when she ended up with a crush on Makoto and her affections were split. Even when on the side of good, she’s not a good person. She’s an attack dog.
Second picture: Eh, there’s nobody it truly applies to like that. There are very few actually innocent, never does anything fucked up people in Danganronpa, and the ones who are are recognized as such. I’m sure plenty of other people have opinions that it applies to someone, the most likely and “eh, I don’t really think it generally goes that extreme” is Mahiru Koizumi. And she still does some pretty problematic shit. But otherwise like… the only pure innocent babies are Chihiro and Chiaki, and nobody pretends otherwise. Part of the appeal of Danganronpa is that almost everyone is at least a bit morally flawed, and a ton of people get pushed to their homicidal breaking point. People in this fandom tend to blorbofy, not demonize.
When I saw Mukuro Ikusaba dropped here, I almost choked. I’d tell you you’re right but that’d require me to hold Mukuro responsible for… like, anything
Astarion. Oh man does he get softened like it's no one's business.
Oof. Where do I even start?
Ron from Harry Potter. In canon, he's a teenage boy. In fanon, he's a fat incel inhabiting his mum's basement.
Cullen from Dragon Age. Prior to Inquisition, Cullen was an openly bigoted character who petitioned for the mass murder of people who'd been proven innocent (and in some playthroughs, tried to commit it himself anyway) and turned a blind eye others abusing their power. In fanon, he was a traumatised woobie who never did anything wrong and is usually just a cheap substitute for Alistair for OCs living at the Circle.
Blackwall from Dragon Age. In canon, he'sa repenting murderer who hates himself to the point where he believes he should be dead, and has devoted the past few years to giving back to society. In fanon, he's a racist, homophobic rapist and every reason why the PC should be romancing Cullen instead. Serves as the cheap third-wheel for Cullen/PC fics in disguise as love triangle fics.
Alastor from Hazbin Hotel. In canon, he's a serial-killing cannibal with unknown motives. In some parts of fanon, he's an abused child turned vigilante who killed rapists and other demons who abused their power.
Connor from Detroit: Become Human. In canon, he kicks butt. In fanon, he is baby.
Molly Weasley from Harry Potter. In canon, she's Mum. In fanon, she wants all of Harry's money, is drugging him, and has set him up in an illegal marriage contract with her daughter.
To clarify, I love exploring characters from different angles in fics. What-ifs, etc. They're fun. I'm even guilty of most of these sometimes. The only ones here I have a real issue with are the Dragon Age ones, and that's just because a lot of the fandom genuinely believes it even though all the evidence points to the contrary, and some will even harass people for liking Blackwall, a "problematic" character (in a series where fan-favourites include a remorseless assassin, a pirate in the slave trade, a slavery apologist, a terrorist, several actual bigots, and a guy who wants to end the world out of nostalgia).
Your point about Ron reminds me a bit of Mike from Stranger Things. In canon, he’s done shitty things, but he’s also currently a high school freshman. Yeah, he’s gonna be inconsiderate and self centered sometimes, but who at age 14/15 isn’t? And if we’re being honest, I think the real issue a lot of people take with him is just that they want him to be in love with Will and there’s just not lot of indication that’s the case in Canon.
You don’t understand a pre teen/teenage child MUST act extremely rational at all times otherwise the suck /s
It reminds me of when you see a video of a disaster happening and people shit on reactions like someone screaming and the comments act like they’d be soooooo much better than others in a fucking disaster
Ahh, Alastor. The "Alastor Has a Heart" and "But He's Trying" tagged fics can be wonderful to read, especially when they're still balancing the "Unrepentant Sadist Cannibal Overlord" thing. There's so much room for character development and gray morality, as long as one assumes that he does, on some level, actually care.
Except the show hasn't confirmed it, and I especially suspect that the "Soft Alastor" fic writers and readers are going to be HEARTBROKEN next season. That man is a manipulative menace, and the fics are getting people's "happy ending" hopes even higher. XD
I love Blackwall but I’ve never gotten into DA fics, this makes me so sad!!! He’s such an interesting character.
Well, to be fair, Cullen wasn't bigoted at the very start of Origins (quite the opposite, in fact, even if in a naive way), and he did turn that way becausehe has been trapped and tortured by the Abominations after watching most of his comrades die. So he was the way he was due to trauma, that's for sure. BUT! Ignoring and justifying the way he was after that is a disservice to his character, imo. His massive character development between 2 and Inquisition is what makes him a well written character (from realizing that Meredith was going too far, to seeing the error of his ways, to rejecting what he once was). If he was an absolute angel and a sweetheart from the start, he would be, as you said, just a budget copy of Alistair, without the sense of humor and the succession drama.
Completely agree on Blackwall. The poor guy doesn't deserve half of the hate he gets, especially since his situation and Cullen's are not that much different from a moral standpoint (they're both troubled individuals are trying to do better).
Hear, hear!
The Cullen and Blackwall ones are so real.... Honestly I could throw in Vivienne, Loghain, Anora, Alistair, Sera.... the list does actually go on a long time. Dragon Age fandom is terrible about constant mischaracterization,,, although the writing and retconning of the series itself definitely didn't help matters
Loki in the first one, sometimes Steve in the second.
Usually, the stuff I read is Bucky-centric, so Steve is portrayed positively, but yeah, doesn’t surprise me there would be segments of the fandom who would unfairly villainize him. Especially after Civil War. I feel like there’s a weird tendency for some people to turn on characters who fall more into the straightforward, classic “hero” archetype in favor of the more morally gray, antihero types. Like, there’s a lot of people in the Batman fandom for example that view Bruce very uncharitably, but will always stand up for a character like Jason Todd (who I do love, but come on. Bro once showed up to a meeting between crime lords with a duffel bag full of drug dealers’ severed heads. He’s not some innocent little angel by any means). Hell, there’s a ton of people who despise Superman simply because they think he’s too “boring”.
It's funny that you mention it - I was very Steve-neutral until I started down the rabbit hole of Bucky Barnes. Then I suddenly realized WHOOPS I'm in love with Steve. Like, you can only stay immune for so long if you're reading Bucky fics hahaha
Bucky centered fics are why I love Steve so much too!
Yeah I mostly read Bucky centric fics (or Stucky) and thankfully they rarely bash Steve.
I love it when works go into Steve's shortcomings and him overcoming them, etc. outright bashing? Nah
Doflamingo from One Piece in the first one lol
For real. Why do you gotta take a literal Nazi who is Machiavellian af and thinks of everyone who isn't a Noble as lowly, worthless trash, and make him all *uwu* ✨fAmILy✨ lmao.
I mean, I get why — he's charismatic and stuff, so people paint him as someone more likeable than he actually is. It's just that I like the crazy canon Nazi :( I greatly appreciate the complexity of his character, and it saddens me to see this magnificent bastard reduced to *uwu*.
Literally. Oda made one fruity little joker man and ofc people are eating it up! 😭 Doesn't help Cora is so lovable, and anime fans love a good brother duo. I do love Dofi as a villain, but the pink feathers are trippin fans up lmfao
I used to be chill with Doflo as a character but I had a very FREQUENT requester wanting me to babyfy him for some stupid crossover and now I hate the shit out of him.
LMFAO why babyfy Dofi......... Cora's right there like??? 😭
Soap
They all act like he is a helpless little uwu that needs Ghost to save him and show him how to shoot a gun
In reality he got his name from how good he is at cleaning house, is a sniper and deletions expert. Man has biceps bigger than my HEAD and one hell of a temper.
He’s not helpless or a twink or needs to be coddled.
Oooh yeah this is a good one to point out. I actually click away from fics where he is turned into a complete fuckup that barely knows which way to point a gun. Man is super competent in the game and seeing him being turned into basically a civilian with muscle instantly puts me off.
Same
I’m fine with him needing help (everyone does no matter how strong you are) or the occasional fic with him struggling with low self-esteem, but I draw the line at people writing him like he’s never seen a gun before and would cry if he kills someone.
"good brother Yukio" Tag is the bane of my existence with the blue exorcist fandom for the first. Like no, he's supposed to be a dickhead and grow. That's what makes him interesting. Why would you strip him of everything that is fun??
Funnily... Yukio again from the blue exorcist fandom. I've seen people exaggerate his issues and act like he's scum when in reality he's got a point sometimes. It's wild the way one character can be tugged around with in a fandom.
I love Yukio simply bc of the depth of his character. He harbors so much resentment against Rin (with good reason) and there is so much room for him to grow.
Your comment reminded me I was rewatching the show a while ago and then got distracted, I should continue that lol.
I'm not a Yukio fan but I will gladly defend him since I do think his writing is one of the best things in the series. I would say go for the anime, the newest season just ended back in March with a new one coming in October,
But the manga is seriously where he shines and his development is a literal chef's kiss. It's so good.
Hey, I noticed „good (family member) (character)” is a trope in some fandoms
It can be annoying but I actually like when Miraculous fans reimagine Gabriel as a good parent. Or at least a decent one. Canon itself is a bit lackluster and the guy ranges from a neglectful grieving widower to an abusive psychopath
That's cool, and fair for you and the writers. I don't enjoy those fics so I don't read them, and I do not comment on them. It's not my place to be an ass on someone's work.
However Yukio's issues with in the series are incredibly well written, and his conflict with his brother is a key point of the plot. They're both flawed individuals who both have issues, and refuse to speak to one another about it for different reasons. Taking away what makes him interesting and a great character makes for a incredibly boring idea to me.
First one: Alastor from Hazbin Hotel. I was gonna say also Blitzø from Helluva Boss, but he at least has some canonically soft moments where he does at least have a small uwu bean inside. Alastor so far has been a manipulative bastard who shows no remorse for his actions.
I assume you avoid the "Soft Alastor" tag? I've said it before, and I'll say it again, but that characterization is setting us up for so much disappointment next season. Al's gonna be drinking mugs of his fans' tears, and smiling stylishly while doing so.
Oh 100%. And I LIKE Al as a character! But he's much more compelling as an actual villain than whatever softboi that part of the fandom has him painted as. I sincerely hope he turns out to be the most wretched overlord Hell has ever seen and I will join him in partaking of a cup of tears.
letvillainsbevillains
Honestly? I'll enjoy it if he is, and he turns out to be an object lesson for Charlie on manipulators, people who WON'T want to change, and when to let go of "friends" who bring more misery than they're worth.
I'll also enjoy it if all of that happens, and Alastor then loses and hits rock bottom, before climbing into a proper redemption arc. He could make an epic villain or anti-villain, as long as they keep him entertaining and interesting while doing it.
I think the closest we'll get to redemption of Al is he's going to betray the hotel for his own benefit (or whatever he's been after this whole time, probably freedom), realize he cares about everyone at the last minute, and die for them. But I don't see him getting a proper redemption or happy ending, like Sir Pentious did