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Compared to the franchise:
Planet of the Apes remake (2001): B–
Rise of the Planet of the Apes (2011): A-
Dawn of the Planet of the Apes (2014): A–
War for the Planet of the Apes (2017): A-
There's no grade for the original pentalogy.
And compared to other films directed by Wes Bell:
The Maze Runner (2014): A-
Maze Runner: The Scorch Trials (2015): B+
Maze Runner: The Death Cure (2018): B+
Sheesh, even lower than the Maze Runner sequels... not good...
Strange that many reviews i seen has been positive,but i guess some audiences (especially one that never watch Planet of Apes movies) find it boring as it doesnt have many action sequences like other sci-fi.The movie was amazing and on par with other movies in the franchise.
I’ve only heard positive things from audiences honestly
their just reviews. if you want to see it go for it. i saw it, i find it damn good.
Nintendo reconsidering their Zelda director? In Hollywood, it's more likely than you think.
...Are you implying they shouldn't because a movie he made got a B Cinemascore?
I don’t know why they didn’t just stick to Universal and give it to their Dreamworks department.
Well it’s at Sony so give it to Sony Pictures Animation.
As someone that cares about a Zelda as a franchise, the thought of seeing a Chris Pratt voiced Link run around with some generic pop song in the background is too much to bear. I can deal with a mediocre live-action adaptation, but everything Illumination produces is focus tested, soulless garbage.
No they won’t unless it doesn’t make huge numbers abroad. Let’s wait until We see final numbers but I think it’ll perform well internationally
I didn't mind the movie and kind of liked it back then. But in hindsight (after the superior new trilogy), that Tim Burton movie really was trash lol
It's hilarious how audiences hated it back then. I thought it was generally well received since we didn't have much to go by in 2001.
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I just watched it for the first time the other day, and I didn't mind it at all. I thought it had some pacing issues, and the references to the original movie (that I recognized through pop culture osmosis) were really forced and weird. But I didn't mind it other than that. Truly stellar makeup work, and I thought it also had great set design, if I may be so bold to say.
And I loved the ending, personally.
I am currently watching the original movie, so I wasn't comparing the remake to that. But I would say so far the original is much better at making the world feel much more alien and strange. They did something very different with the original that made the introduction to the world just... much more strange?
Even the first time we see the apes, there is something so unsettling and surreal about it. All of that stuff is done really well. And I think the role reversal of man and ape is conveyed much better, or at least explored more heavily and deeply than in the remake.
These are just my thoughts so far, though. I'm only about halfway through. But that is one comparison I would make between the two, that the original feels more substantial and interesting in its concept and execution. But taken on its own, like I said I don't mind the remake much. It feels like it could have been directed by anyone else, though. There is nothing about that movie that feels like Tim Burton at all.
Yes the original 1968 version had such an otherwordly vibe. I think the musical score from Jerry Goldsmith (known for Star Trek) was suitably experimental and made you feel like this really was some upside-down world. Props to the art director too with the unique architecture. I don't know if you got to the trial scene but those scenes have some of the best writing imo in any sci-fi film. These movies originally played with intelligent ideas and questions, and James Cameron ranks the original 1968 version as one of his favorite sci-fi ever and I can see why (sci-fi platform used to embed social commentary, challenge modern ideas, provoke change)
It was always trash. There were still 100 years of movies and 5 other Ape movies to go by. It's not like it was the first bad movie ever made.
How the hell is dawn an A-!?
It should be higher. Koba dual welding machine guns while on horseback is seared into my mind.
Is dawn good? Is A- bad?
Dawn is really good, would’ve thought it would’ve been an A
For a franchise movie it's average. Dawn is quite good many consider it the best of the trilogy
What are they smoking
I'm not sure what you're saying? Should be higher? Lower?
I know right... It’s S tier movie
I am surprised to see these comments as i thought it was an ok movie. Not terrible but nothing great either.
It ends on an extreme bummer. Remember cinemascore is as much a measure of expectations as it's a measure of the immediate feeling at the end of a movie. That's why horror movies typically get lower scores, people are scared unhappy and unsettled so they give that rating to the surveyors but that's a good thing! They went to the movie to feel those things. Or for movies that make audiences think hard before they decide they like it, examples like Civil War or Ballad and for Dawn. It's not immediate gratification. You have to kind of read the tea leaves for cinemascore sometimes when movies aren't completely straightforward.
In this case for Kingdom, it's neither a horror movie nor does it have a cliffhanger or even a bummer ending. It wraps up the main narrative and teases more but it's not a cliffhanger that would cause a B. It's not scary. It's not confusing or unsettling. So then you have to fall back on: audiences expectations weren't met and they didn't like the movie or ending. I know I personally was missing Caesar as an emotional anchor this move so it's possible people weren't fans of him being gone + no linking ancestors or anything.
I guess audiences taste nowadays has been different,i think if Dawn,Rise and War release this year it would have same rating as kingdom or a bit higher (like B+).Because the overall vibes of these movies still the same except some major characters are missing.
I don't really agree with that. I think the only one that would likely score lower, but in a Ballad of Songbirds type B+, would be War. The other two were exactly what they advertised, and especially Dawn had a good mix of action set pieces and contemplation. Even with the ending I don't see modern audiences giving that less than what it got. Same with Rise, that movie wasnt advertised as a big action heavy spectacle or anything. You got what you came for, apes becoming smart and a story between Caesar and his human handler.
Major characters missing is in fact a very big thing. They're the emotional core of the movies + the human plots were more engaging in the last 3 movies. Even if the overall tone is similar, which I agree with you that it is, stuff like that makes a difference in reception. When movies are slow and methodical the difference between liking it and not liking can be as simple as character performances and beloved characters being involved that audiences have prior investment with.
And thinking about it more sequel bait vs a cliffhanger, maybe they didn't like how it was executed this time I don't know. That one is just me spit balling based off the vibe of the audience I was in.
It ends on kind of a bummer note
If you think that's a bummer, you should see Beneath the Planet of the Apes.
Wtf?
My thoughts exactly. Feels like it should be a B+ at minimum. I really enjoyed the movie.
honestly this movie exceeded my expectations by not feeling unnecessary and being a solid return to the apes world, most people seem to be really liking it, I thought at worst it would get a B+.
Praying that the sequel somehow still gets made.
I am looking forward to the sequel especially after spotting certain people at the end of the movie.
You're absolutely right. There's absolutely no way they got Dichen Lachman out of bed and gave her 7 seconds of screentime unless they have major plans for her in a follow up movie ;)
Yeah it exceeded my expectations as well, I freakin loved it. Thought it had a great balance of separating itself from the trilogy yet still justifying why it exists with an interesting story
Tbh the movie does feel unnecessary in the grand scheme.
So does your comment
Yeah didn’t really move the needle much at all
Ooooh, thats not great
That's an understatement.
Legs will be mediocre.
I really wasn't expecting that. 8 was thinking this would get at least an A-
Realistically, I was expecting B+ and Optimistically A-
What were 7 and 9 thinking
7 was full after eating 9.
The fall guy has a A- and it has no legs
Its leg is fine, but the opening number is so small to help with anything.
It holds fine..it just doesn't have much to hold to begin with lol that being said Apes may be fine cuz it already has much more hype going on for it
estimated 48% drop is excellent, even if it won't be nearly enough to break even
Wow! I’m shocked by this. Just got out of it and me and the group I saw it with loved it. Crazy disconnect
I haven't seen it yet, but everyone has been telling me it's great. And it doesn't really seem that divisive on the internet.
Not sure what happened.
My guess is lack of action
I just watched Rise, Dawn, and War again, and they don't really have that much action, either. They take their time establishing the characters and almost all of the action is at the end. Kingdom is longer than the other films though, so I bet that's it. A lot of people that saw it must have felt the length.
Without having seen it, I can't really hypothesize any other reasons, as I've tried to stay away from spoilers. Maybe I'll understand what is bothering audiences after I see it.
I agree, I watched the Caesar trilogy again too, and was struck by how they’re mostly dramas/thrillers. Definitely not action movies that can appease everybody in the auditorium with visceral spectacle. They’re amazing, though, and in my opinion, so was Kingdom.
Come back when u see it. Would love to hear your thoughts. For me there were many moments that just seemed very cliche
I remember Matrix Resurrection threads talking about how fun it was.
Maybe the internet is not real life?
I said everyone I know who has seen it in real life has told me they've liked it. I used the internet reactions as a supporting argument.
Not completely surprised by this. It had a few slow parts to it & I noticed some people in my showing were checking out at times.
(That being said, I enjoyed the film alot & I hope it does well & we get more films)
It’s 2hrs and 30 mins long for an action movie so was expecting that
It’s not an action movie. None of these Apes movies are. I wish people would stop calling them action movies because it sets all the wrong expectations, they’re mostly dramas.
Then they need to stop advertising and marketing them as sci-fi action films!
'Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes is a 2024 American science fiction action film directed by Wes Ball and written by Josh Friedman'
Is everywhere when you look up the film.
This. All the trailers made this seem like a sci Fi epic action movie. This was my biggest problem of War. They advertised it as an action war movie. It certainly was not that at all
They’re definitely not dramas. They’re science fiction. That has action to it, and there has been action in these films going back to the original, but it’s not driven entirely by action.
Right, they’re sci-fi films driven by drama.
It all depends on the pacing
If the pacing is great, even 3 hours movies don't feel long.
If the pacing is not good, a 2.5 hours movie could feel like 3+ hours.
It's 30 minutes longer than Godzilla X Kong but 20 minutes shorter than Dune Part Two. That does make it the longest in the series, but that sounds more like a pacing issue to me.
Damn.. the trailer had me.. I thought it was action filled
Goddamn it, I really wanted better for this one. It has to be the slow pacing that’s turning average moviegoers off, the movie itself is really good
That would be ironic since that's the same complain most people who didn't like war had with it
As someone who was more lukewarm on War because of that (Dawn is one of the best 2010s movies imo), Kingdom is far more “entertaining” and a traditional adventure than War.
Legitimately don’t understand what happened here - reviews have been solidly positive, my crowd loved it, online discourse has been positive.
It may be more entertaining but it still follows the same general structure where the first half is an adventure and then the rest of the movie takes place in one location. I can see why it put people off as much as I loved it.
My guess - ape civilization showed up way too late in the film and/or it looked way more primitive than at least some people hoped.
I think some of the writing/direction wasn’t the best, some cliche..big bad gorilla kills the dad, whole village gets burned down, wise monkey with a ton of hair on him, just hit a lot of “cliche” marks for me
A low Verified Audience RT score for this sort of film was a bad sign for Word of Mouth but the Cinemascore settles it.
😦😨😰😬
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Oh no.
Guess Jeff Sneider wasn’t wrong when he said this movie wasn’t testing well with test audiences, after all.
Some people who saw early screenings said it feels slow and a slog.
However, many people who have watched yesterday said it doesn't feel slow.
So who knows what made B Cinemascore 🤷
But mostly fans goes to the first showing, so a B Score from people who are inclined to like it to, is a disaster
As someone who loved all 3 of the recent Apes trilogy before this movie, idk how to feel about the movie… not actually bad but definitely felt like just an average blockbuster with the Apes f