Ukrainian Losses And The Role An Austrian Archduke Has Had In Them
A recent piece in the New York Times connects us to a name which played a serious role in the last century of Ukrainian 'nationalism'.
The history of the western Ukrainian region is, like in some other European areas, a quite convoluted drama that still plays out today.
The first reports of war fatigue in the 'nationalist' western Ukraine are coming in. Natalia Yermak, a Ukrainian cartoon producer turned New York Times journalist, reports from the Galician area near Lviv:
In Western Ukraine, a Community Wrestles With Patriotism or Survival (archived) - New York Times
As the war drags on, communities that were steadfast in their commitment to the war effort have been shaken by the unending violence on the front line.
It was sunset when Maj. Kyrylo Vyshyvany of the Ukrainian army stepped into the yard of his childhood home in Duliby, a village in western Ukraine, just after his younger brother, also a soldier, had been buried. Their mother was still crying in the living room.“I can already see that she’ll be coming to visit him every day,” he said that day. He was right, but he would not be by her side. A few days after the funeral, in March 2022, he was killed in a Russian missile strike on a Ukrainian military base and buried next to his brother, Vasyl.
The Vyshyvany brothers were the first deaths from Duliby and the surrounding community after Russia began its full-scale invasion on Feb. 24, 2022. Since then, 44 more Ukrainian soldiers from the area have been killed — more than four times the local death toll from the previous eight years of fighting Russian-backed separatists in the east.
For Duliby and its surrounding enclave of Khodoriv — total population around 24,000 people — waiting for the next solemn death notification and the funeral that follows has become a bitter routine. But even as the town meets and buries the fallen with modest ceremony, some neighbors are quietly weighing the price they are willing to pay for a war with no end in sight.
Divisions have started to form between residents agnostic about the war — often those whose family members have dodged the draft or fled the country — and those who have loved ones on the front line or who fully support the war effort.
The name Vyshyvany looked quite familiar to me. I'll come back to it.
The reporter depicts Galicia, the hotbed of the Organisation of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN) fascists, as 'nationalist':
In the earliest days of the war, before the news of the first combat deaths arrived, people in communities across Ukraine flocked to draft offices. Among them was Khodoriv, whose families have a long history of fighting for Ukraine’s independence and being executed or sent into exile during violent Soviet repressions of its nationalist movement in the last century.
Even in the region with deeply seated Ukrainian nationalism lots of people have skipped the draft by paying bribes or other means:
Petro Panat, the leader of the territorial defense unit, an ad hoc military unit formed in the early days of the war to protect local communities, said 10 out of 30 men from the unit had since obtained documents to legally exempt them from fighting. The exemptions are granted for reasons like health problems or relatives in need of care.
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In the Khodoriv area, relatives of soldiers who are fighting or who have died at the front said that in the last two years they have begun to resent men in the community who are said to have bought their way out of service while their own sons and fathers are fighting — a feeling that may be shared by many across the country as the Ukrainian government wrestles with how to mobilize up to 500,000 more troops.
After the war is lost, with whatever other outcome, there will be a deep acrimony between families who's members have fought and died in it and those families who had the means and foresight to bail their members out:
There is no legal way to pay for an exemption from military service in Ukraine, but there have been widespread reports of corruption in draft offices, with bribes ranging from $1,000 early in the war — “a buyout from death” — to as much as the $10,000 per head price that was revealed in a Kyiv draft center.
In future the distance between the 'nationalists' and pragmatist draft dodgers will get even bigger than it has been before the war. I wonder how much that could contribute to further internal strife or even a civil war in western Ukraine.
Now back to the Vyshyvany family name which was the first mentioned in the above piece. I had stumbled over it a while ago.
If one searches for that name it brings up the Wikipedia page of the Archduke Wilhelm Franz of Austria who was born in 1895. Wilhelm's rather complicate history and Ukrainian fascist-'nationalism' are deeply interwoven:
Archduke Wilhelm Franz of Austria, later Wilhelm Franz von Habsburg-Lothringen (10 February 1895–18 August 1948), also known as Vasyl Vyshyvanyi (Ukrainian: Василь Вишиваний), was an Austrian archduke, a colonel of the Ukrainian Sich Riflemen, a poet, and a member of the House of Habsburg-Lorraine.
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Wilhelm was raised in his parental estate located in the Austrian city of Saybusch, Kingdom of Galicia and Lodomeria. His father was a patriot of Poland [..]. Accommodating the 19th-century rise of nationalism, he decided that his branch of the Habsburg family would adopt a Polish identity and would combine a loyalty to their Habsburg family with a loyalty to Poland. Accordingly, he had his children learn Polish from an early age and tried to instill in them a sense of Polish patriotism.
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Wilhelm, the youngest child, rebelled, and came to identify with the Poles' rivals, the Ukrainians. ... [H]e developed a fascination with Ukrainian culture that he kept for the rest of his life.
The family eventual accepted his Ukrainian tendencies and groomed Wilhelm to become a ruler of Galicia, then part of Austria-Hungary and today of western Ukraine.
During the first world war Wilhelm became a Ukrainian 'nationalist':
The most acceptable course to solve the "Ukrainian issue", for Wilhelm, was the creation of an autonomous Grand Duchy of Ukraine with federalist principles, within the Habsburg monarchy. That duchy, beside the Eastern Galicia and Bukovina provinces, could include as well Ukrainian lands that at that time belonged to the Russian Empire and which had to be reconquered.
Supported by the German-Empire and Austria-Hungary William fought as commander of Ukrainian draftees against the Bolsheviks.
When the world war ended William was hospitalized. Ukraine, the name translates to 'border land', again experienced the fate that comes with such an estate:
As he lay in the hospital, World War I ended, Austria-Hungary fell apart, and the Habsburgs lost their throne. In Eastern Galicia the West Ukrainian National Republic was proclaimed, while the Ukrainians of Bukovina tried, unsuccessfully, to unite their land with the new Ukrainian republic. The Bukovina was occupied by hostile Romanian forces, causing Wilhelm to flee to Lviv to avoid arrest. As Lviv was occupied now by Polish forces, Wilhelm again was forced to leave, moving to the Carpathian region where he was hiding in local monasteries for almost half a year. Meanwhile, while Germany was withdrawing its troops from Ukraine, the regime of Skoropadskyi in Ukraine was overthrown by republican forces of "Directorate", led by Volodymyr Vynnychenko and Symon Petliura, and interest in seeing Wilhelm as sovereign of Ukraine faded.
During that era other nation's rivalries affected the region - as they had done before for many centuries and as they still do today.
Between the world wars Wilhelm was mostly in Vienna but continued his Ukrainian 'nationalist' activities:
In circles of Ukrainian political emigrants, a hope was burning that the loss was not yet final and the Soviet regime could still be overthrown. In Vienna, Wilhelm became involved with pro Ukrainian monarchists who saw in him an opportunity, but nothing came out of it.
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In Paris Vyshavanyi renewed his communications with Ukrainians when members of the newly formed Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN) found him. He twice met with head of OUN Yevhen Konovalets. Through Wilhelm, nationalists tried to find new sources of financing.
Wilhelm supported the German Nazis who, with the avid support of the Ukrainian OUN militia, killed many Poles and Jews after invading the Soviet Ukraine. When the Nazis turned against the OUN Wilhelm stayed with the Ukrainian 'nationalists':
Soon however, Wilhelm realized that the Hitlerites would not allow for creation of independent Ukraine even as a puppet state similar to Slovakia. After he and his brother Karl Albrecht were arrested and interrogated by Gestapo, Wilhelm changed his political views and soon joined the local anti-Nazi resistance in Vienna.
When the second world war came to an end Wilhelm was engaged by the British(?) and French secret services to instigate a Ukrainian nationalist terror campaign against the Soviet forces in Ukraine:
At some point Maas introduced Wilhelm to his colleague Jack Brier who in his turn in 1946 introduced Wilhelm to French military officer Jean Pélissier. The latter had been tasked by the French authorities to revive contacts with Ukrainian nationalists who continued to fight the Soviet regime. Confrontation between yesterday's allies, the collective West and the Soviet Union, was becoming more obvious and eventually had grown into what now is known as the Cold War. The French representatives promised help with delivering by planes political agitation on the Soviet territory as well as Ukrainian militants who would join the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA). At first the French representatives requested to meet personally with Stepan Bandera, but since it was too complicated, agreed to meet someone from his closer associates.
The 'western' allies, especially the U.S. between 1948 and 1952, spent a lot of effort and money to instigate an insurgency in Galicia against the Soviet forces.
Wilhelm was eventually caught by the Soviets. In 1948 he died in of tuberculosis a prison hospital
One wonders what else but the name connects the Vyshyvany family in the recent NYT piece with the Austrian aristocrat turned Ukrainian 'nationalist'.
In the early 1950s, after the Soviets had launched a serious counter insurgency campaign, the post WWII fascist OUN insurgency in Ukraine eventually petered out.
In 2014 the U.S. revived it.
Posted by b on May 9, 2024 at 15:00 UTC | Permalink
next page »thanks for that fascinating little history lesson herr b.
Posted by: Justpassinby | May 9 2024 15:21 utc | 2
Never trust the West, run by a foreign clan and the City of London. They have been genocidal murderers since the first World War.
Caitlin Johnstone has an amazing tweet that MUST be read, as it exposes the oligarchs' real agenda. It's all about narrative folks. Always has been.
I am ashamed of myself that I ever put ANY credence into the soap and lamp shade bullshit. FFS, the West had been spewing those lies for two damn World Wars now. At least in WWI, afterwards, the British parliament had to give a formal apology for their lying propaganda against Germany.
Remember all those stories about Germans cutting the hands off of children as they swept through in WWI??? After the war, famous lawyer Clarence Darrow traveled to Belgium and offered a FORTUNE if someone could produce one child without a hand. None claimed the prize.
Imagine that. It's why I knew the Jews were lying about 40 beheaded babies. What a joke. Maybe a psycho like Bandera guy got loose and did one or two during Hamas' invasion but FORTY!!! Who believes this shit anymore?? I just laughed when I heard the story.
And hence Johnstone's tweet. The oligarchs are very scared that their "narratives" are failing, the facts are staring people in the face because of the internet, and PEOPLE ARE FINALLY WAKING UP. I hope it's not too late.
Slava Russia. And God bless Vladimir Putin.
Posted by: Johnny | May 9 2024 15:22 utc | 3
Purely coincidental, no doubt:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andriy_Yermak
Posted by: Cortes | May 9 2024 15:23 utc | 4
Brilliant work B . I don't know how you do it. Sheer hard graft plus interest probably.
We watch history unfold. It is a pity our politicians don't have your grasp of history and politics, with the exception of V V Putin, but then again he is a statesman!
Cheers Oldengineer
Posted by: Oldengineer | May 9 2024 15:25 utc | 5
History lessons by the White House spokesperson:
75 years ago the US and our Ukraine allies joined forces to combat the oppressive regimes of Hitler and Stalin.
If this is not absolute moral decadence then please help me finding a word for it.
Vishivanny, evoques the Ukrainian embroidered shirt, the Vyshivanka
https://twitter.com/i/status/1788443558120239191
Posted by: Paco | May 9 2024 15:25 utc | 6
very interesting b.. brings it down to today...
i think there will be resentment within the community over those who evaded going to war, with those who did.. i imagine living anywhere in ukraine would be a very polarizing affair... unfortunately these toxic ideologies - OUN - don't go away easily, especially when the west is resuscitating them.. we have one of our leaders here in canada with the OUN flag wrapped around her and she sees no problem in any of that.. canucks are often times too stupid to make these connections either.. they are too busy being brainwashed by the cbc of the beatitudes of the ukrainians and the horrors of those russian invaders.... when do people wake up? hard to know..
Posted by: james | May 9 2024 15:28 utc | 7
Excellent b! I'm sure many similar histories exist within that too often contested region of Europe. What will its fate be this time? I somewhat doubt the people living there would agree on a particular choice/solution. Yes, there'll be acrimony between those who sacrificed and those who fled. It's unfortunate your further history isn't what NY Times readers were offered as it's far more explanatory and germane.
And what has President Putin and Russia said for many years now ? We are not interested in incorporating Western Ukraine into the Russian Federation - we don't want people that don't want to be Russian citizens. This isn't the Soviet Union anymore. So, what did these Idiots from Western Ukraine do - attack the Russian part of East Ukraine and start a war in Donbas with the help of Nato, the usual Globalist Financiers and their MIC Corporations. You Reap what you Sew.
Posted by: GMC | May 9 2024 15:40 utc | 9
It is perfectly understandable for Galacians (or Bukovinans, or even NATO’s beloved Bosnians) to want their own country. What is not reasonable is to demand inclusion of lands that were never Galacian or even Ukrainian as measured in any historical context; to demand inclusion in your dream state of people whose native language is Russian, whose culture is 100% Russian, whose religion is Russian Orthodox and who have overwhelmingly expressed over and over through plebicites their unwillingness to join such a state.
Posted by: IvanKeith | May 9 2024 15:41 utc | 10
I wonder if Trudeau knows that when he grins for photo-ops with the Ukrainian Canadian Congress on Vyshyvanka Day, as he did here in 2019. I doubt the name of the traditional Ukrainian embroidered shirts is a coincidence.
https://www.ucc.ca/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/trudeau-1024x683.jpg
So You are in Canada far away - thanks for Your 'Abroad servicing' you ever did.
I think there will be resentiments within the community over those who evaded going to war, with those who did. it real. I imagine living anywhere in ukraine, now Mr. Z-Cock-Payer is recruting woucruting them.. we have one of our leaders here in canada with the OUN flag wrapped around her and she sees no problem in any of that.. canucks are often times too stupid to make these connections either.. they are too busy being brainwashed by the cbc of the battallians of the Ukrainians and the evil horrors of those russian invaders.... when do people wake up? hard to know.. , just today ..
Posted by: james | May 9 2024 15:28 utc | 6
Posted by: spatre_truth | May 9 2024 15:50 utc | 12
Praise to you b for this fascinating story behind a story. In so many ways very impressive. Thanks.
Posted by: Australian lady | May 9 2024 15:53 utc | 13
Praise to you b for this fascinating story behind a story. In so many ways very impressive. Thanks.
Posted by: Australian lady | May 9 2024 15:53 utc | 14
James, it's clear, without any shadow of a doubt, that after the fall of the Third Reich in 1945, North America became the nest of the Fourth nazi Reich...
Posted by: ThirdWorldDude | May 9 2024 15:54 utc | 15
@ spatre_truth | May 9 2024 15:50 utc | 11
thanks... trying to wake canucks up is a thankless task..
Posted by: james | May 9 2024 15:57 utc | 17
@ ThirdWorldDude | May 9 2024 15:54 utc | 14
it never occurred to me, up until maybe 10 years ago..
Posted by: james | May 9 2024 15:58 utc | 18
I wonder how many of the "Nationalist" Ukrainian crazies still in 404 are going to resettle in the West after all is said and done?
I was clicking on a few links from some of the comments above, and I found this article about the "Heroes" monument in Ellensville, NY.
Crypto Fascist Cult Worhip in the Ukrainian Borscht Belt
Posted by: lex talionis | May 9 2024 16:06 utc | 19
Kingdom of Galicia and Lodomeria
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Galicia_and_Lodomeria
Kingdom of Ruthenia
Kingdom of Volynia and Galicia
I have no problem talking to nationalists.
The bloody bad joke is that our overlords who are a bunch of cynics, fanatics, sociopaths and psychopaths have used the nationalists of Volynia and Galicia to manipulate the Ukraine on its Bolsheviks borders-1922-1954.
Clearly you use the tools available on the ground: you are not going to entrust the destruction of Syria to the Ornithological Society of Slovenia, but you entrust that task to some jihadists.
Well, the same thing here: the Kamikaze regime put in Kiev (1914-) financed, armed and encouraged, has at its core some nationalists from Volynia and Galicia and some nostalgics of the 14th Waffen SS.
And the icing on the cake of this bloody Comedy: what better intermediary and mask for the kamikaze regime in Kiev than a Comedy actor, grandson of the Polish-Lithuanian-Ukrainian Yiddish people.
Posted by: Simon | May 9 2024 16:13 utc | 20
People having woken up in Molavia + Poland + Slowakia, still today.
Why Nuland + Killary can't lill those people and/or their messasges (TikTok ever heard about?).
US+UK currently all "Best" they can do, but's not vet afficiant/efficient, spread by its MSM's news.
So, fight Nuland + Lillary like persosns like being posted as "WANTED" on all public USA-Papers !
Then - only then - we'll see where that background "Deep" state operators, also implied within Pentagon-sposored B.Gates - MICROSOFT + GOOGLE Misters, what have any re-action on "this".
"This" is still fighting on-going hereto a "physical" men rather than an IT-Robots like figthing men like Soros (>80 years), Blinken, Nuland, Killary and adjacent supporters, like Scholz + Macron the Gay, plus the poor-minded 360-degree-turning Ms Baer-Fuckings in the latest still open hole, today.
Posted by: spare_truth_01 | May 9 2024 16:14 utc | 21
Concerning the historical role of the Habsburgs:
Time 1510 AD:
"The breakdown of the League of Cambrai marked the end
of the great anti-Venetian alliance, and the beginning of a
series of wars orchestrated by the Venetian-controlled House
of Habsburg.
The only two nation-states of the period, the France of Louis XI, and the England created under Henry VII, were set up to be destroyed by the Venetians.
France was devastated by 135 years of religious wars, and the Venetian central bankers took England over, lock, stock and barrel.
The Republic of Venice was establishing a dictatorship of central banking under the control of the Doge himself and his Council of Ten, and was fomenting and financing throughout Europe, and especially in France, a war against civilization itself, pitting Prince against Prince, Duke against Duke, in a generalized war of religion between Catholics and Protestants."
Source: Peace of Westphalia: France’s Defense of
The Sovereign Nation by Pierre Beaudry
Posted by: petergrfstrm | May 9 2024 16:21 utc | 23
American print media must have received a diktat from CIA. Full-scale. Full-scale. Unprovoked. Unprovoked.
Not even my browser or phone autocorrect suggests those terms. I have to type them completely out.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 9 2024 16:25 utc | 24
History of false-flag attacks
It is important to remember that the 10 year war between the West and Russia and the associated sanctions did not start because of the Russian annexation of Crimea. Most European nations were prepared to accept Crimea as part of Russia. Nor did the conflict start because of the formation of DPR and LPR. No, the sanctions were imposed because of the shooting down of Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 over the Donetsk People's Republic.
All major wars, like WWI, WWII, and the Vietnam War are started by false-flag attacks or provocations. This fact alone makes me suspect that the downing of MH17 was a Western false-flag attack.
Posted by: Petri Krohn | May 9 2024 16:30 utc | 25
Covert
https://books.google.es/books/about/Covert_Regime_Change.html
This general in Chile had the idea of saying that the military should respect the Constitution and Democracy.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ren%C3%A9_Schneider
So they killed him to make way for Washington's man: a certain Pinochet.
Well, exactly the same: London and Washington put their regime in Kiev, showered money on the top the regime in Kiev, and a TV producer filled people's heads with fantasies, added false promises, a bunch of lies, and added a good amount of cheap racism: -we are not like them, they are Asians.
And put it in the oven.
Posted by: Simon | May 9 2024 16:30 utc | 26
Covert Regime Change
https://books.google.es/books/about/Covert_Regime_Change.html?id=R7qVswEACAAJ&redir_esc=y
Posted by: Simon | May 9 2024 16:32 utc | 27
Petri:
One caveat. False flag or green flag attacks. Pearl Harbor was a green flag attack, for example.
Posted by: Johnny | May 9 2024 16:33 utc | 28
Posted by: Petri Krohn | May 9 2024 16:30 utc | 24
An excellent book on MH 17 is Flight MH17, Ukraine and the new Cold War - Prism of disaster by Kees van der Pijl, in case you haven't read it.
Posted by: lex talionis | May 9 2024 16:40 utc | 29
And hence Johnstone's tweet. The oligarchs are very scared that their "narratives" are failing, the facts are staring people in the face because of the internet, and PEOPLE ARE FINALLY WAKING UP. I hope it's not too late.
Slava Russia. And God bless Vladimir Putin.
Posted by: Johnny | May 9 2024 15:2
There is yet no massive discontent in the west. People going to shoping malla, consuming. Salary slaves working under stress.
The narratives are still standing.
Posted by: vargas | May 9 2024 16:51 utc | 30
Fine work, b. This is one of your best backgrounders so far.
Posted by: dadooronron | May 9 2024 16:52 utc | 31
Petri Krohn | May 9 2024 16:30 utc | 25
I go on the timeline. 100% false flag to drive Europe to sanction Russia. Australian and Dutch governments were accomplices. Most likely UK plan as US did not seem to have a preprepared narrative in the first few days.
Kolomoyskyi, Gerashchenko very much part of it.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 9 2024 17:01 utc | 32
Newland + her educators Soros/Gates-like sponsors, like Papas also for van.der Liars Leyen "breit-geoeffneten Schenkeln, sich bueckend von -Hinten - unterwuerfig " - to be fucked off down when it's "needed" by any Americans School teachers legitimated by any laws -
- always today on Ops today ...
So listen only : Your favour is now to loose all contacts, as having before contacted, best as asap.
But ..
That's not to get any "revanche" ..
That's here mentioned is "only" the first 'probe' to re-act having revovered 0 of my x first tria into #DK DENMARK.
Posted by: spare_truth_01 | May 9 2024 17:07 utc | 33
🙏🙏
The Bible prophesied 7-year Tribulation is at humanity's doorstep & the time to escape is very short. To read more, pls visit https://bibleprophecyinaction.blogspot.com/
At the Ukrainian Youth Centre in Edmonton, Alberta, young Ukrainian Canadians are apparently inspired by a bust of Roman Shuukeyvich the leader of the Ukrainian Insurgent Army. This community has been very supportive of Canadian aid to Ukraine by a government that obviously is ignorant of history and the people it is dealing with, even when they invite a UPA veteran to Parliament.
Posted by: Mike Price | May 9 2024 17:16 utc | 35
Mike Price | May 9 2024 17:16 utc | 35
Not ignorance. Just British hatred of Russia, no matter if it is the Russian Empire, communist Soviet Union led by a Georgian then two Ukrainians, or the current democratic Russia. Russia war is with the Anglo Saxons. It's here in Australia, in Canada, and the US along with 'mother' England.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 9 2024 17:21 utc | 36
Do not fear the "War", whatever that currently ongoing "WRA" may have felt You sometimes like it is. So wait..!
So wait a little bit more, than I come tomorow to have decided..
All will appla-appla-apppla producing publically ..
But YOU , I 'll meet YOU in the background with a very big Greyhound behind me in the City of KASSEL.
Go9 to "Mercedes Benz' latest open bars ...
.. located THAT - BE CAREFULL - THERE .
Posted by: spare_truth_01 | May 9 2024 17:25 utc | 37
Come to think of it, that anglo saxon mindset gets a bit strong in these comment sections at times since the beginning of the SMO.
Dividing stuff into right, left, communist.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 9 2024 17:26 utc | 38
I have taken the wrong thread, and this epigram belongs here
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Nowadays
Nowadays a German is not allowed to even be moderately patriotic in homeopathic quantities.
And yet a German is required to enthusiastically applaud the nostalgic members of the 14th Waffen SS used as a tool by our masters who, to top it all off, have a private hunting ground to hunt locals in the Levant: a furious identitarian Ethno-nationalism in other people's land.
Let us not forget that the great Temple was built by an Arab king, Herod the Great, not a rabbi from Lithuania or Ukraine.
Posted by: Simon | May 9 2024 17:27 utc | 39
Thank you, b. Excellent.
Although every corner of Europe is complex and multi-layered with no end of stories to tell, perhaps it is fair to say that Ukraine is more complicated that way than most.
In this case, the fall of the Hapsburg's and Romanovs in West and East created a vacuum partly filled first by communist ideologues and then fascist, both profoundly destabilizing relative to previous cultural norms, on top of which this region was a core part of the Eastern European Jewish 'beyond the pale' populations, though this tends get overlooked in most accounts.
What entanglements!
Ref Paco at 6
Reminds me of a similar icident
Putin September 5, 2017
“It’s difficult to have a dialogue with people who confuse Austria and Australia. There is nothing to do about it. Apparently that’s the level of political culture of a certain part of the American establishment.”
In 2007 George W. Bush at a APEC (Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation)meeting in Australia thanked Sydney “being such a fine host for the OPEC summit,” and later thanked Prime Minister John Howard for his visit to “Austrian troops” in Iraq.
Thus according to Putin it shows
“America is really a great nation and the Americans are a great people if they can endure so many people [in the government] with such a low level of political culture,”
Posted by: On the roof | May 9 2024 17:31 utc | 41
Why write
Well, to endure so much horror
Our fellow citizens, slaves of the palace scribes and priests at the service of the Pharaoh of Egypt, are not going to wake up.
And perhaps there is little they could do even if they were free from the Mental Media Bubble.
Posted by: Simon | May 9 2024 17:35 utc | 42
Posted by: Simon | May 9 2024 16:30 utc | 26
Dear Simon,
Our problem in Chile was a little more complicated than your simple couple of wiki pages.
General Pinochet save Chile to become a second Cuba.
Posted by: Roberto | May 9 2024 17:35 utc | 43
Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 9 2024 17:26 utc |
38Come to think of it, that anglo saxon mindset gets a bit strong in these comment sections at times since the beginning of the SMO. ..
Dividing stuff into right (Putin'), left ? (AfD) , or our's communist party try (Gruene/FDP.SPD.)
Posted by: spare_truth_01 | May 9 2024 17:37 utc | 44
Mitteleuropa has a complicated history few in the US know about.
Posted by: Wilikins | May 9 2024 17:39 utc | 45
Roberto
-hombre, no voy a escribir mil páginas sobre el asunto, yo escribo aquí para desahogarme en breves textos, no para entretener a la audiencia, y mucho menos pensando en ignorantes esféricos como tú, se mire por donde ser mire
Posted by: Simon | May 9 2024 17:46 utc | 46
IvanKeith RE:10,
The issue is that the Ukrainians want the land and resources, they've made it quite clear they dont want the people and in fact want to exterminate or expel all of the ethnic Russians back into Russia, so the Ukrainians can confiscate all of that wealth for their Oligarchies and of course, 10% for the big guy
Posted by: Kadath | May 9 2024 17:55 utc | 47
All major wars, like WWI, WWII, and the Vietnam War are started by false-flag attacks or provocations. This fact alone makes me suspect that the downing of MH17 was a Western false-flag attack.
Posted by: Petri Krohn | May 9 2024 16:30 utc | 25
I do not believe that. I think 192 Dutch people had to die on July 17, 2014 because MH370 was prevented from reaching China on March 8, 2014, for which 152 Chinese had to die. Holland still has considerable influence in Malaysia - and one beats the dog first. And don't forget: the huge radar system on the west coast of Australia was unfortunately out of operation that day.
Posted by: Oliver Krug | May 9 2024 17:56 utc | 48
So how did Galicia get the name of Galicia? A name I associate with northern Spain...
Posted by: Gerry Bell | May 9 2024 18:02 utc | 49
"Russia began its full-scale invasion on Feb. 24, 2022"
the full scale part just started a few months ago.
The half hearted SMO will be discussed for decades.
Posted by: Make Palestine GA | May 9 2024 18:06 utc | 50
Michael Herbig's "Lissi und der wilde Kaiser" ruined Austrian history for me.
That, and the Hapsburg's constant invasion and meddling in my in-law's region.
Posted by: too scents | May 9 2024 18:10 utc | 51
This
This is a magnificent example of the degree of servility of many of our fellow citizens.
The head of the Chilean army said that the military must respect the Constitution and Democracy
It is a well-documented case because it belonged to a powerful family that fought long and hard in Washington after his assassination to remove him as an impediment to the planned path.
And a Chilean with the soul of a slave comes here to justify the murder of the head of the Chilean army.
Posted by: Simon | May 9 2024 18:13 utc | 52
Thanx for that little trip down memory lane and all the nefarious doings of the USG. I'm glad to see you are truly back - I was worried.
Posted by: Jeff Harrison | May 9 2024 18:16 utc | 53
To so many of you generous souls who've helped me digest so much truth these few years. And helped me think!
I believe a very strong chance of significant electro magnetic influence through the earth's weakening EM shield tomorrow through the weekend.
At the very least a sound test of devoted astro physical studies, over many years, from suspicious observers.
I know I know Waaay off topic.... Maybe respond as you may with such short notice.
Bob
Posted by: thebeek | May 9 2024 18:16 utc | 54
"History lessons by the White House spokesperson: ... "
Post #6 ...
And I thought Jen Psaki was the nadir of the above category. But as we all know the sewer that goes by the name of the USofAs is bottomless.
Posted by: Victor G. | May 9 2024 18:23 utc | 55
@ Petri Krohn | May 9 2024 16:30 utc | 25
yes, indeed.. kees van der pijl wrote a very good book about this too which i recommend..
flight mh 17, ukraine and the new cold war..2018.... those were his conclusions as well..
Posted by: james | May 9 2024 18:25 utc | 56
@Johnny | May 9 2024 16:33 utc | 28
One caveat. False flag or green flag attacks. Pearl Harbor was a green flag attack, for example.
World War 2 is generally considered to have started on September 1, 1939 with the German invasion of Poland. The casus belli used by Germany as justification for the invasion was the Gleiwitz incident. The alleged Polish attack was shown to be a German false-flag attack only after the war had ended.
Much of what is known about the Gleiwitz incident comes from the affidavit of SS-Sturmbannführer Alfred Naujocks at the Nuremberg Trials. In his testimony, he stated that he organised the incident under orders from Reinhard Heydrich and Heinrich Müller, chief of the Gestapo.[3] On the night of 31 August, a small group of German operatives dressed in Polish uniforms and led by Naujocks seized the Gleiwitz station and broadcast a short anti-German message in Polish (sources vary on the content of the message).[4] The operation was named "Grossmutter gestorben" (Grandmother died).[5] The operation was to make the attack and the broadcast look like the work of Polish anti-German saboteurs.[4][6] The operation was planned and carried out from the Sławięcice Palace (Schloss Slawentzitz).[7]To make the attack seem more convincing, the Gestapo executed Franciszek Honiok, a 43-year-old unmarried Upper Silesian[8] Catholic farmer, known for sympathising with the Poles. He had been arrested the previous day by the Gestapo and dressed to look like a saboteur, then rendered unconscious by an injection of drugs, then killed by gunshot wounds.[9] Honiok was left dead at the scene so that he appeared to have been killed while attacking the station. His corpse was then presented to the police and press as proof of the attack.[10] Several prisoners from the Dachau concentration camp were drugged, shot dead on the site and their faces disfigured to make identification impossible.[4][6][11] The Germans referred to them by the code phrase "Konserve" (canned goods). Some sources incorrectly refer to the incident as Operation Canned Goods.[12]
In an oral testimony at the Nuremberg Trials, Erwin von Lahousen stated that his division of the Abwehr was one of two that were given the task of providing Polish Army uniforms, equipment and identification cards; he was later told by Wilhelm Canaris that people from concentration camps had been disguised in these uniforms and ordered to attack the radio stations.[13]
Oskar Schindler played a role in supplying the Polish uniforms and weapons used in the operation as an agent for the Abwehr.[14]
Posted by: Petri Krohn | May 9 2024 18:26 utc | 58
It's unfortunate your further history isn't what NY Times readers were offered as it's far more explanatory and germane.
Posted by: karlof1 | May 9 2024 15:37 utc | 8
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And that is one more tragedy of this war. Lousy and incomplete scholarship.
Posted by: Acco Hengst | May 9 2024 18:33 utc | 59
Memory is foggy. Wasn't it Teddy Roosevelt who became so enamored of militarism because his father paid someone to take his place and fight in US War between the States?
Teddy's parents made a full military uniform for him, complete with boots. His favorite playthings were toy soldiers,
Teddy and other members of the family, as well as his father, were deeply ashamed by Papa's craven act.
Posted by: ChasMark | May 9 2024 18:37 utc | 60
Neocon historian Timothy Snyder's first book "The Red Prince" was about this Erzherzog Franz Wilhelm von Habsburg-Lothringen.
Posted by: Lysias | May 9 2024 18:38 utc | 61
CBC the biggest joke quotes Bill Browder, the international tax fraudster as an expert. He is the son of some communist party in the USA. When CBC used to allow comments, whenever I point out Bill Browder's history my comments get disabled.
Posted by: calgary guy | May 9 2024 18:39 utc | 62
"... Holland still has considerable influence in Malaysia - and one beats the dog first..."
Oliver Krug@17:56 utc | 48
Malaysia, in all its parts was ruled but by the Dutch but by the British, so why would Holland have influence there?
"..a Chilean with the soul of a slave comes here to justify the murder of the head of the Chilean army.
Simon@ 18:13 utc | 52
Not to mention the President of the Republic and thousands of Chileans suspected of not having the souls of slaves. It is indeed shameful to see that Pinochet's crimes are still publicly celebrated by fascists.
Posted by: bevin | May 9 2024 18:39 utc | 63
Pour information, il ne faut pas confondre la province de Galice au nord de l Espagne et la région de Galicie en Ukraine !!!
Posted by: Dubourg | May 9 2024 18:42 utc | 64
BMA just dropped a new analysis over Ukraine.
Some very interesting thoughts about the Kerch Bridge and foreign troops in Ukraine.
The family of the assassinated Chilean army chief (1970) sued in Washington based on (2001-) declassified documents.
In my text above i think that the powerful family thing is unnecessary and on top of that i don't know if it is true.
Anyway, it wasn't just JFK who ran into Washington.
Posted by: Simon | May 9 2024 18:47 utc | 66
https://oeh.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/15459624.2024.2334288
“Quantification of Suppressor Effects on Breech and Action Noise from AR-15 pattern firearms and its implications for the protection of human hearing.”
I mentioned this article in the Ukraine thread the other day, my point being that veterans on all sides of this conflict may suffer ‘invisible’ injuries long after war’s end. If the link works you can read the not-overly technical short precise for yourself…
Posted by: mjh | May 9 2024 18:48 utc | 67
Thanks a lot, b, for this fascinating and illuminating story!
Posted by: Avtonom | May 9 2024 18:49 utc | 68
Washington, NSA
"As the commander-in-chief of the Chilean army and the highest-ranking military officer in Chile, Schneider’s policy of non-intervention created a major obstacle for CIA efforts to implement President Nixon’s orders to foment a coup that would prevent the recently elected Socialist, Salvador Allende, from being inaugurated. A “key to a coup,” as Chilean newspaper mogul, Agustin Edwards, told CIA Director Helms on September 15, 1970, in Washington, D.C. “would involve neutralizing Schneider” so other Army officers could take action. “General Schneider would have to be neutralized, by displacement if necessary,” U.S. Ambassador Edward Korry pointed out in a September 21, 1970, cable. “Anything we or the Station can do to effect the removal of Schneider?,” the CIA directors of Operation FUBELT queried their agents in Santiago on October 13."
Posted by: Simon | May 9 2024 18:55 utc | 69
Both Galicias -- both the one in Spain and the one in Mitteleuropa -- have that name because they were once inhabited by Gauls Galati, i.e., speakers of continental European Celtic languages.
Posted by: Lysias | May 9 2024 18:55 utc | 70
A propos of "unprovoked", does the constant use by Biden and others of "ironclad" to describe US support of Occupied Palestine spring from another case of CIA Sprachregelung?
Posted by: Lysias | May 9 2024 19:04 utc | 71
Bill Browder's father Earl Browder was General Secretary of the Communist Party USA from 1930 to 1946.
Posted by: Lysias | May 9 2024 19:11 utc | 72
Bill Browder's father Earl Browder was General Secretary of the Communist Party USA from 1930 to 1946.
Posted by: Lysias | May 9 2024 19:11 utc | 73
Posted by: Lysias | May 9 2024 18:55 utc | 70
Thank you for explaining that! Like Gerry Bell, I have always wondered the same question.
Much love to b and the MoA community.
Posted by: lex talionis | May 9 2024 19:11 utc | 74
Posted by: Gerry Bell | May 9 2024 18:02 utc | 49
So how did Galicia get the name of Galicia? A name I associate with northern Spain...
In a Great Courses lecture series on the origins of Spain,
https://www.hoopladigital.com/play/12176208/1
Dr. Joyce Salisbury of University of Wisconsin states that Celts who migrated across the Pyrenees to Galicia in Spain likely had their origin "north of the Black Sea in the Russian Steppes, centering on Lviv." Small Celtic tribes who spoke an Indo-European language "spread throughout Central Europe and into Spain "between about 1400 BC and 600 BC."
It was Celts from Galicia in Spain who migrated to Ireland, and not the other way around.
This is contested. Wikipedia rejects the notion on the basis that "Galicia" in Poland/Ukraine is spelled differently.
I dunno.
What I know is that wikipedia is not an unbiased source.
I also know that Zelensky has said "Ukraine will become Greater Israel," since it is home to "Khazar Jews."
Christian televangelists have echoed and advocated the concept, preaching that it would be a good thing for "Jews to migrate to Ukraine."
A reward, I guess, for good behavior.
Prof. Salisbury compares the fierce independence of Galician Celts in Spain to that of the Basques.
Perhaps there's an epigenetic element in the Irish outspokenness against Israel's slaughter-fest in Gaza.
Posted by: ChasMark | May 9 2024 19:12 utc | 75
Posted by: Petri Krohn | May 9 2024 16:30 utc | 24
An excellent book on MH 17 is Flight MH17, Ukraine and the new Cold War - Prism of disaster by Kees van der Pijl, in case you haven't read it.
Posted by: lex talionis | May 9 2024 16:40 utc | 29
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Excellent, just excellent. It is even in English.
Worthy of the karlof1 award!
Posted by: Acco Hengst | May 9 2024 19:15 utc | 76
The OUN insurgency in Soviet Ukraine did peter out, as b has it. They remained very active in Chicago and Alberta. There was no need to revive it, only to more openly recognize it.
I've seen the tryzaub displayed pretty much all my life. When at University of Illinois we had an active contingent of OUN that sieg heiled and Heil Hitlered routinely. Displayed all the regalia. Disrupted all teaching of 20th century European history. Hitler birthday celebrations were pretty normal for any tavern in Chicago, the OUN contingent always the rowdiest. Local and national politicians sucked up to them nonstop. I would assume that included a fair amount of cash.
Posted by: oldhippie | May 9 2024 19:29 utc | 77
It was from another, quite recent book by Kees van der Pijl, "States of Emergency," that I learned that the US DOD had several biolabs in Ukraine and Georgia (the nation in the Caucasus, not the US state). I believe I read that book in January 2022, just before the SMO. Once Russia did invade Ukraine, the biolabs in Ukraine figured prominently in the news. I have so far seen no reporting about biolabs in Georgia, aside from van der Pijl's book.
Posted by: Lysias | May 9 2024 19:33 utc | 78
Thank You b-
I had no clue that Hapsburg-Lotringen had a Galician branch. If only Francis-Joseph I had…. Y’all can fill in the blank. Why the family turned from the Romanovs to the Osmans I still can’t fathom.
Well, we have what we have.
The NYT article you cite makes it plain that the Anglo-Saxons will be most unwelcome in the region no matter what happens.
Thrice betrayed Ukie Nationalists will exact their price from their former patrons. It’ll be interesting, especially here in USA. Smert Fasistum! Smert Bolshevikum!
Slava Rossija!
Posted by: OldFart | May 9 2024 19:43 utc | 79
@ calgary guy | May 9 2024 18:39 utc | 62
the intel agencies are using cbc to push a narrative... opening up the comment section disrupts the agenda as expressed in the same boring narratives they keep pushing - as your link is witness to..
Posted by: james | May 9 2024 19:46 utc | 80
"So how did Galicia get the name of Galicia? A name I associate with northern Spain."
Good question
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celts
From Galicia in a corner of the Iberian Peninsula to Galicia in Poland-Ukraine via Paul of Tarsus' Letter to the Galatians (in present-day Turkey).
A hypothesis that occurs to me is that the Celtic/Keltoi thing were not movements of people or not only that, but rather something perhaps similar to Judaism that spread like wildfire among women and that came in the first century to be present "in all the nations of the world" (Flavius Josephus) and then Christianity and Islam. Perhaps the Celts were not an ethnic group, but a religion (?)
Posted by: Simon | May 9 2024 19:50 utc | 81
Die Gier war schon immer ein Spross des Chaos - wenn es endlich sich selbst vertilgt werden wir singen <3
Posted by: Macpott | May 9 2024 19:55 utc | 82
"CBC 'quotes Bill Browder, the international tax fraudster as an expert. He is the son of some communist party in the USA. When CBC used to allow comments, whenever I point out Bill Browder's history my comments get disabled.
Posted by: calgary guy | May 9 2024 18:39 utc | 62
I got kicked off CBC comments when I posted about ineffectiveness of the mRNA vaccines and was promptly cancelled. They weed out the rational posters and keep the Leftists and Woke-which is not the same thing as we see form this board-the only reason the sorry organization exists at all is because of $5 MM per day funding from the Federal Canadian government.
Bill Browder is the worst of all crooks-the smart ones keep their mouths shut-Bill Browder- Another Ugly American
Lysias | May 9 2024 19:33 utc | 78--
Georgia biolabs were reported by Russian media and mentioned by maria Zakharova in several of her weekly briefings some years back in relation to those unveiled by Russia's counter-attack against NATO in 2022.
Acco Hengst | May 9 2024 19:15 utc | 76--
If awards are to be provided, the Fickle Finger of Fate needs to be resurrected well before any named after my online moniker.
Posted by: Simon | May 9 2024 17:46 utc | 46
Tus "argumentos" tan redondos son muestra de ira o de ignorancia o ambas.
Como te dije antes, el Gobierno Militar nos salvó de ser una segunda Cuba.
Notarás que no te he insultado. Sólo planteo mi punto.
Posted by: Roberto | May 9 2024 20:08 utc | 85
Posted by: Simon | May 9 2024 19:50 utc | 81
Thanks for clarifing some Chilean events and uncovering the democracy fans when they win, but participants in coups and fratricidal events when they don't, in other words to burn the village in order to save it.
Galicians have a somber reputation among Spanish southeners, Franco was Galician, and in Argentina they use the demonym "Gallego" galician in a derogatory manner applied to all Spaniards. I'm only superficially familiar with that part of Spain since it is the furthest part of the country from where I live and generalizing is not a sound exercise. Salud.
Posted by: Paco | May 9 2024 20:08 utc | 86
Posted by: Simon | May 9 2024 19:50 utc | 81
Thanks for clarifing some Chilean events and uncovering the democracy fans when they win, but participants in coups and fratricidal events when they don't, in other words democrats ready to burn the village in order to save it.
Galicians have a somber reputation among Spanish southerners, Franco was Galician, and in Argentina they use the demonym "Gallego" galician in a derogatory manner applied to all Spaniards. I'm only superficially familiar with that part of Spain since it is the furthest part of the country from where I live and generalizing is not a sound exercise.
Posted by: Paco | May 9 2024 20:15 utc | 87
"Never trust the West, run by a foreign clan and the City of London. They have been genocidal murderers since the first World War."
Posted by: Johnny | May 9 2024 15:22 utc | 3
No, the West run by the City of London has been genocidal murderers since 1694 when they (Jewish bankers and British Nobility) loaned King William III 1.2 million pounds and created paper money (it had been created before in the Yuan Dynasty in the 13thc century but became worthless by 1368); in 1757 when Battle of Plassey was won by Robert Clive (technically of the British East India Company) so much gold, silver pearls and rubies descended into the City of London for them to have economic Hegemony.
And, from 1757 the economic dominions of India , per capita, did not grow at all till the Independence of 1948-such was the UK economic repression.
from 1960 to 2022 the Indian economy grew per capita, grew some 500% (1)
1.https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/IND/india/gdp-per-capita#google_vignette
Just published by the Kremlin this morning prior to the Victory Day Parade was Putin's post-inauguration meeting with key military commanders and Shoigu. It's now available to read as "7 May Meeting with SMO Commanders" and reveals a few items of interest to the public before the cameras are turned off again. I link to the 69-minute video of the Inauguration at the end for its historic nature and its grandeur. For the cameras, Putin again recognizes the amazing contribution of "the People's Defense Industry" and the seemingly unique Russia trait of solidarity when faced with existential conflicts: "... but when such difficult, key moments come, the Russian people show their best qualities: both courage and heroism, regardless of age. It's probably in our blood."
I mean that one question is Hardware and another question is Software.
When for example the rabbis in front of christianity said: -We don't want to be a Religion ...
... They forged in the course of time an ethnicity: the Polish-Ukrainian Yiddish people which on the one hand is of Roman origin and on the other hand Persian/Iranian, Turkish, Greek, Syrian and Phoenician.
And in some an aramaic Software from Persian imperial period was installed (ca. 1900) in their heads. In the end, rabbinic Judaism was a parenthesis (200/400-1880) in the history of Zionism
The case of the Basques (Hardware and Software) is also funny and also bloody with the difference of course that the rustic copy, the Eta, failed, and the Irgun, the Hagana, the band of Stern and the band of Lehi triumphed.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folke_Bernadotte
Stalin in Moscow approved "our (bloody) colonial project" and Truman in Washington 1 million dollars cleared his judgment.
The other difference is that the Zionist Terror is a million times the terror of Eta.
And the 'Basques' (that is: the "Bardulos" romanized by the "Vascones") were in their land: "Bardulia that now is called Castile".
And it is not comparable to the delirious Polish-Ukrainian Club of readers of "Don Quixote de la Mancha" who say: -"La Mancha" does not belong to "the Manchegos", but to us, Polish-Lithuanian-Ukrainian Club of readers of "Don Quixote de la Mancha"
Posted by: Simon | May 9 2024 20:26 utc | 90
also a MUST READ .... HISTORY OF WEST UKRAINE
I posted this piece some time back - also excellent history of the region ... very,very relevant to this thread
The Polish-West Ukrainian Conflict Over East Galicia in 1918−1919
Posted on March 2, 2024 by Yves Smith
Yves here. Europeans, and arguably even more so eastern Europeans, are acutely aware of their national and ethnic histories. This short Polish-Ukrainian conflict in east Galacia played a key role in souring relations between the people in the two areas.
By Dr. Vladislav B. Sotirovic, Ex-University Professor, Research Fellow at the Centre for Geostrategic Studies, Belgrade, Serbia ([email protected])
Historical context matters.
Back then "both ethnic Poles and Jews had clear domination over the areas of education, culture, regional economy, and civil administration. The Poles regarded the city of Lwów/Lvov/Lemberg/L’viv (which was the crucially important settlement in East Galicia) as one of the most important cities of Polish culture and nation following Cracow, Warsaw, and Wilno/Vilnius."
Helps explain the Banderite massacre of Jews and Poles in late WWII ....
If Poland wants it back - maybe let them have it.
Posted by: Don Firineach | May 9 2024 20:29 utc | 91
I believe that in this colossal and deadly empire we are reaching some conclusions
Germans cannot be even moderately patriotic in homeopathic doses
The Basques in their land cannot have an Ethno-nationalist regime as God commands in their bloody Aramaic pamphlets
But Harvard and Columbia professors, film producers, owners of persuasion and incommunication media networks, senior officials in the Treasury Department and senior officials in the State Department need a private hunting reserve in the Levant to feel safe hunting men, women and children or crushing them under rubble
Posted by: Simon | May 9 2024 20:47 utc | 92
Germany and Austria-Hungary funding the Banderists in WW1 is exactly the same mistake of the USA funding ISIS.
ISIS ended up hating Americans in their doctrine, while the Banderists ended up hating Hungarians in their doctrine (think Zakarpattia).
Posted by: Al Balog | May 9 2024 20:50 utc | 93
An essay of convoluted and nefarious motives found in abundance (going back for many years) in that world called Europe.
All of which, I think, has long been recognized and, in fact, created this thought:
"It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliance with any portion of the foreign world [i.e., Europe]."
Washington's Farewell Address to the People of the United States | Monday, September 19, 1796
It doesn't seem many people are hearing this anymore.
Posted by: Johnny Dollar | May 9 2024 20:55 utc | 94
"It was sunset ... ‡
µ“It was a dark and stormy night.” ...
Posted by: Laurence | May 9 2024 21:02 utc | 95
To add, Hungarians and Ukrainians, Russians, etc. have nothing much in common. Two very different cultures & mentalities, and my Russian friend considers Hungary as "Western Europe". Just about as equidistant as a Chinese to a Cambodian, and there's much my friend doesn't know about Hungary (as many Americans).
With that, it's still extremely bizarre to me how Banderists consider themselves related to Germans. They look nothing like Germans, speak a Cyrillic language, mostly Orthodox or less commonly Greek Catholic (not Roman Catholic). It's like a Shia Persian nationalist thinking he's a Sunni Arab. It sounds ridiculous even on paper.
I know it's politically incorrect, but I honestly can't tell apart a West Ukrainian from a Russian or a Pole, but none of them look Germanic, Uralic (my heritage), Western European, etc.
In my experience, I often confuse Hungarians with Austrians and South Germans (they often look the same), but I never confused a Ukrainian or Russian for my own.
Posted by: Al Balog | May 9 2024 21:04 utc | 96
Posted by: vargas | May 9 2024 16:51 utc | 30
The official Narrative "works" because there is no readily available counter-narrative that isn't as full of shit as the old QAnon conspiracy theory demonstrated. Once I learned a little about it said to others that this was a typical CIA technique, i.e., spreading false and misleading stories to take power--usually used during coup attempts around the world. The sad part is that those who aren't familiar with CIA techniques and who had not a general knowledge of US politics and culture were vulnerable to this--I knew a Iraq veteran who swallowed the whole thing.
True counter narratives need to be rooted in a thorough knowledge of US politics and how power works within the Deep State. QAnon was very successful in entrapping those who knew something was rotten in Denmark and could smell the rot that came from the Washington Establishment so the CIA invented a BS story which contained some truth but combined with a fatal brew that the semi-literate would swallow.
My point is that, at this time, alienation is quite deep--people are going along to get along the political, economic, and social consequences of active dissent are just too high until people have truly informed themselves and a certain level of agreement is reached (about 20%) as happened during the Vietnam War days. By putting out bullshit stories on the internet the semi-literate will tend to bite and get caught up in false conspiracies that hide the true conspiracies. These techniques are as old as history--the powerful, to the degree they feel vulnerable to "the people," will spit out false stories to mislead people. I think people are beginning to sense all this so that they now trust no major political actor and are open to a more realistic narrative that is gradually evolving on both the right and left--I think this new narrative will gradually emerge out of the current set up particularly after the election.
Posted by: Chris Cosmos | May 9 2024 21:05 utc | 97
sorry
the Kamikaze regime put in Kiev (2014-)
Posted by: Simon | May 9 2024 16:17 utc | 22
Easy mistake; some of us wrote 19xx far more than we have typed 20xx.
Posted by: Samu | May 9 2024 21:27 utc | 98
@ Chris Cosmos | May 9 2024 21:05 utc | 95
would be nice chris.. i am not that confident, but would like you to be right and me to be wrong..
Posted by: james | May 9 2024 21:31 utc | 99
Lysias | May 9 2024 19:33 utc | 78
The was no reporting on either Georgian nor Ukraine biolabs in the MSM that I know of. One investigative journalist with her own website? covered it quite well though.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 9 2024 21:50 utc | 100
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b, thanks for a fascinating history.
Posted by: steve from oz | May 9 2024 15:13 utc | 1