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Basically what’s an opinion that you have vastly shifted on over the years?
Mine was I did not like resistance one bit. I didn’t like it so much so I think I stopped at episode 3 of season 1 and just didn’t watch it until I think January of last year. I gave it a watch and while it didn’t blow me away or anything like that. It was a fun watch. It was a fun time waster.
If I had told my past self that I would have probably said our taste in shows has significantly downgraded lol.
(The meme I posted yesterday got me really thinking about this and I would love to hear what you guys have changed your opinion on)
Temuera Morrison is Boba Fett.
Pre Book of Boba Fett me would have said no, the original actor from Empire/Jedi was better and I hate the dubbed lines in those movies.
After watching Book of Boba Fett - for all the flaws in that series, Temuera Morrison is Boba Fett and nobody else could play him as badass as he did. Looking back, the other guy in the suit/voice was just a stand in waiting for the real Boba Fett to arrive.
I agree. His menacing introduction in Mandalorian is absolute fire. I wish the BOBF show was just him fucking stormtroopers up with the gaffah stick and close ups of his helmet with the tang music haha
Every episode is just a montage of boba killing stormtroopers, riding bicycles, and yelling at fennec
You know there were a lot of problems with what we got, but they'll never be able to convince me that Boba Fett riding a rancor into battle against a giant robot is not the coolest shit to ever happen
This is the Way.
Why knew jumping the shark could be so freaking awesome???
It turned me from a Boba hater (he’s overrated! All he does is look kinda cool, and now we have other cooler mandos!) to a Boba enjoyer
I'm in
That's all it needed to be.
And getting it on with sand people women
He had to be a nice crimelord.
Dude when Slave I landed on that planet when Mando was defending Grogu I absolutely lost my shit
I feel like the actor and character were wasted on that series. They had a stellar cast, a magnificent soundtrack, and some great characters (I loved the Tuscan storyline). However the directing and script were shockingly bad. It would take a miracle to act out the scenes and say the lines in a way that could be taken seriously.
I feel like the entire plot of the story was just weird. I suppose its hard to encapsulate a lot of Boba’s character since i feel a lot of it falls into Dinn Djarins character.
I just didnt buy the whole story of him trying to become a crime lord. Boba to me never felt like a character who cared about power.
It kinda makes sense from his background. TCW Boba was this little ball of fury and ruthless resourcefulness centred entirely on revenge on the Jedi in general and Mace in particular.
Once that motivation is gone, what does he have left? A loose affiliation with the Empire that took down the Jedi? Need for a bit of cash to keep him going?
Sooner or later it makes sense that what he really wants is family to replace what he lost. It just really needed pointing out more strongly as a development arc.
No excuses for Tattooine Scooter Gang though.
BoBF is a shonen anime. Only way the scooter gang makes sense.
Based on how Season 2 of Mando ended, I figured they were gonna have Boba go full on bad guy, and build a criminal empire from the ashes of Jabba’s
or bare minimum a new bounty hunting guild den, since Greef karga is no longer running one. Doesn't need to be purely crime based, but at least gray area.
It’s because his character decided to take a 180 and become a pacifist. Boba and Din aren’t all that similar actually, Boba is notoriously far more brutal of a bounty hunter than Din. Din has a lot more morals ig, he also has Grogu which brings out his softer side. Boba is ruthless and is no nonsense. He has morals, and honor, but they are very different from Din’s. They could have still kept boba’s original character without making them too similar.
Or taking care of random people and being a nice respectful crime lord.
Boba Fett should’ve been Din Djarin, or at least been a major character in The Mandalorian and the Search for a Jedi to train Grogu.
What about the Tusken storyline? 😁
Tusken Chicken
Word. I was so champing at the bit to see Hett/Krayt brought into that storyline. It was a perfect setup for it. And they had originally pitched him as the big bad for Obi Wan, but that never panned out. I think they could do a Season 2 with a stronger Tusken/Hett focus, bring in Obi for a cameo/light sabre fight, and that would entirely redeem the first season IMO. And, if they wanted to, they could split the season with two arcs, so it isn’t drawn out. If I controlled the writing of BoB S2, I would do: first half = Jodo Kast as Boba Fett impersonator, Boba in cat and mouse game to hunt him down; second half = Hett/Krayt storyline. I feel like that would be epic and would give us back the badass Boba that we saw in the EU days.
Mark my words, if TM doesn't show up in the movie there will be riots.
I just wish the script had him actually be interesting. He was perfect for the role.
I met Jeremy Bulloch at a convention. I asked him how he felt about them dubbing over his lines in Empire. He said “that wasn’t me talking anyway - I was in a helmet and nobody could hear me, so they dubbed over me in the original version of the movie.”
While I agree, I still give massive respect to Jeremy Bulloch for being the first to play that iconic role and don the armour, and Jason Wingreen's voice is stellar.
The Star Wars hill I'll die on is that BoBF should have just been John Wick in space.
Ahsoka is amazing and her addition to the universe was a brilliant move.
And
Animated shows, especially rebels are not only great, star wars fun can tell deep, interesting stories about great characters
Yeah i went from complete disregard of the animated shows to now finding them fundamental to my Star Wars fandom
Came here to say this 100%. OG fan from age 8 in 1977
It took a while to get around to serious storytelling with the animated show. We started with that god-awful clone wars movie and a ton of us abandoned the animated offerings pretty quickly partway through season 1 of the show.
The only reason I ever gave the animated shows another chance was because people raved about clone wars so much. Now, when I recommend it to others, I always have to explain that S1 is rough as hell.
Yep same here. I finally watched Clone Wars and Rebels a couple years ago and I can’t believe I dismissed them for so long. They’re both amazing.
Same
I'm a firm believer that the storytelling in S3+ of rebels is the tone that needed to be told and has shaped everything into the modern stuff we've seen in bad batch and takes of the empire along with Ahsoka in live action.
I'd go as far as to say, in some cases, the animated shows are better than the films. Also, television is the better medium for Star Wars than film.
I'd actually argue that the animated shows are generally better than the films.
Darth Maul is one of the best written Star Wars characters and has a fairly complete narrative arc
I remember back when Phantom Menace came out having a disagreement with a guy at work who thought for sure they were going to bring Darth Maul back. He was like there’s no way they are wasting such a great character that way. It turns out he was right.
You owe bruh a soda
fairly complete? it was perfectly completed!
(besides the whole surviving getting chopped in half part)
Almost complete. We still don't know how he lost control of Crimson Dawn and the other crime syndicates. Correct me if I'm wrong.
That Satine and the pacifist Mandos aren’t that terrible and could have coexisted with the True Mandalorians (y’know, the not-Death Watch group that barely gets mentioned).
As a teen I Hated Satine for what she did to an amazing warrior culture. Now I consider her among my favorite Star Wars characters.
I don't think the New Mandalorians and the True Mandalorians would've gotten along that well. Even if the True Mandalorians weren't Death Watch, they still wanted to keep their old traditions, just modify them to be less sadistic. Satine and the New Mandalorians were pretty radical in that they wanted to do away with ANY militaristic aspects of Mandalorian culture... which is pretty insane when you realize that militarism is the bedrock of Mandalorian culture.
Given that militarism had reduced b their world to an almost lifeless husk there probably needed to be a pretty radical change in Mando culture.
I think she had the right idea... It would have been nice if she was also competent but that's a different story.
Yeah, but Mandalorian culture is basically built on the fact that they are warriors loyal to none but each other. A good half of the foundational code for what a Mandalorian is and isn't (the Resol'nare) is based on militarism. If you're going to rip all of that out of Mandalorian culture... what exactly do you have left? What do you replace that with?
That the Jedi code is ultimately correct when you break it down, so many of the flaws and hang ups of the code are really just a result of fans misinterpreting the meaning of the code and taking it literally, and that the usage of the dark side or trying to merge sith and Jedi teachings to form a grey Jedi code or ideology is not only stupid in the context of in universe, but something that fundamentally misses the point of the entire narrative.
Yeah, I always found it odd that, a battle between good and evil, there were people that thought centrism was somehow an appealing choice.
I mean especially when the Jedi are essentially defensive in nature. There’s no moment in the films where a true Jedi swings the first blow - they always give the enemy a chance, even droids.
What then is a Gray Jedi? The cop that deliberately antagonizes someone before gunning them down?
What’s halfway between peace and war?
Online Gray Jedi enthusiasts probably boil down to „want to be a Jedi that can get laid“
Just be Ki Adi Mundi
I mean, while the Jedi approach in terms of "follow the light side" is obviously correct, their approach to relationships is essentially an abstinence only education.
And I think reddit mostly understands and agrees that approach doesn't stop people from engaging in relationships so much as it leaves them ill-equipped to do it in a healthy way when they inevitably catch some feels for somebody
The light side is the good guys and also the Jedi order at large is flawed. Those flaws are part of why they lost
Gray Jedi enthusiasts wanting to be a "Jedi who can get laid" is a crass oversimplification but it's also genuinely tied to fair criticism of the order lol
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Yeah except mind tricking girls to sleep with you takes you down the rabbit hole into a rapist real quick.
The Jedi don’t tolerate it for practical reasons. You can definitely tryst here and there, but attachment leads too often to manipulation, fear, anger, hate, so on.
The way I see it there are a few aspects. One, the concept of the Grey Jedi GL himself sees as what the true light side and what the Jedi are supposed to be. Many of the Jedi we get, in the Order, suffer from believing in compassion through detachment, that any emotion essentially can lead you to a fall. So rather than "conquering" your emotions, you simply avoid them.
This is what many consider the failing of the council when dealing with Anakin (and to an extent all the Jedi who were expected to lead men into battle and not have some sort of emotional response/attachment). So the way I see Grey Jedi as people who "conquer" their emotions so that they feel and understand them - but they do have control over them. The Sith don't try to control their emotions, they fuel power by letting them run rampant.
Jedi Order power through peace and meditation. Sith power through emotional
damagerelease and adrenalin. Grey Jedi power through the balance of both. Though GL still maintains true Jedi seem to be a mix of the concept of both the JO and what many consider Gray. But even Yoda said the JO lost their way.I’m guessing that’s why they didn’t want to make gray Jedi a thing because it’s damn near impossible to truly be equally both, you’re always dipping into one pot more than the other. The only thing truly in the middle was bendu where he just said “fuck both of you” fucked both sides up and dipped never to be seen again cuz he knew to stay the hell away from them
The Gray Jedi concept came from Jolee Bindo in KOTOR. A grouchy old bastard who refused to live by the Jedi dogma, but still fought for the good guys. That's the ideal they want; a good guy who doesn't restrict their life and teachings to what the Jedi do. To quote Palpatine,
Yes, those words were spoken by the personification of evil, but at their core, they have a point. However, this neglects the fact that the dark side is a corrupting force, and opening oneself up to it leads to further corruption of the self.
I feel like every single "um actually, the jedi are bad" rant is coming from edgy weirdos who just want to be contrarian. They think they're deconstructing when they're just missing the point.
To be fair that applies to like... 99% of online "media literacy" out there. I've seen so many folks think they've uncovered this deep, hidden side by deconstructing something never meant to be deconstructed like that in the first place... but then if you think about their "analysis" for five minutes you realize you've just been listening to someone talk whilst their head was shoulder-deep in their own ass, and you should probably get yourself checked for hyperacusis because that's some good ears you've got there.
Funny, my opinion woulda been the same but is now different.
There's value in the Jedi code, and without it the force is far too dangerous. Knowing the dark side is dangerous no matter what, but I feel now that it's a necessity to be flexible. Know thy enemy kind of mindset.
You can't let the passion and emotion overtake you, if you do you'll become the very evil you claim to fight against. But without both knowledge and experience in it, you're vulnerable to those that will use any tools to win. Very high risk high reward kinda mindset
It's also something the Jedi should oppose. If the Jedi aren't prepared to stop a grey Jedi if they turn to the dark side, then it's an inevitability that they will. That's something a grey Jedi would have to accept (and even encourage) to keep themselves in check
I like non jedi light side users like Ashoka. Basically a recognition that the Jedi code is kind of messed up but that the solution is not to become evil. Because a lot of the stuff in the Jedi code is just detrimental to everyone, all the bureaucracy and stuff that qui gon fought against
Idk why you got downvoted. The flaws of the jedi have been an overarching plot for most of Star Wars since ANH.
Exactly. Most of the prequels, and then so many times during the clone wars show
I agree that the code works. But only if you make a mature choice to follow it. The issue is lack of choice the Younglings have in becoming a Jedi.
And Anakin is the worst example of accepting the choice (from Qui-Gon) as he was a 9 year old child who’s only idea of Jedi was “it was COOL to be one” and he had a dream he was one. He asked his mother if he could go with the Jedi like he was asking to go to the playground with his friends.
That’s a life altering decision and someone should be a bit older and aware before they commit to becoming a Jedi or the code in general.
Oh thaaank you….
The grey jedi craze among gamers and hardcore star wars fans of the mid 2000s was so freaking annoying…
Grey jedis would be a somewhat interesting concept if there actually would be some downside to it and it would fit better to the universe but it ended up as just mary sue way of using also dark force powers without succumbing to the dark side making the jedi seem stupid for not all being grey jedis… snd yeah ultimately the movies st least made it very very clear that there cant be a middle way and I actually like the message that beings of immense power can only stay just by being extremely principled and restrained…
Jango Fett is arguably the most pivotal and important character in all of Star Wars. Had you told me this when episode 2 came out, I'd have never believed you.
Nah, its R2-D2 100%
Nope. It’s Captain Panaka.
Wrong, it's the Droidekas that attack Qui-gon and Kenobi while they were trying to cut through the door.
Honestly a good What If would be about whether they had gotten through the door and arrested (/killed?) Gunray and co before the invasion of Naboo
Nah, its the protocol droid (I'm sure its a named character, I just don't know it) who snitched on them to Gunray in the first place
Would you care to elaborate on that?
Clone Trooper genetic template + Clone Army + Order 66
Is Jango really necessary for that though? There's a seemingly infinite simply of hardened, well trained people in the galaxy that, with the right amount of money, would have happily been the template for the clones.
I'm not sure I agree that being pivotal and important implies that he was necessary in his role, or that nobody else would have been able to do it.
I will say, though, that if you agree with Dooku that Jango was the best template they could find, then removing him from the story would make for less effective clone troopers
When trailers for Rebels was coming out, I believed that it would be lackluster, but the series proved to be one of the best Star Wars media projects of all time.
While I was a Star Wars fan my whole life, as I was born during the prequels coming out to 2 parents who were massive fans since they were kids, Rebels is what really got me into it. I just realized that expecting everything else to be as good as Rebels is a high standard.
I never liked Palpatine coming back in Legends when I was younger as I felt it undid Anakin's sacrifice.
Honestly though, even when they re-ran that story in canon I've actually come to believe it doesn't change anything about it.
The absolute most important thing that Anakin accomplished by killing Palpatine was to prove Luke right that he still had good in him and allow him to pass in peace as his old self instead of as Darth Vader.