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Seems they have purged all the review bombing bots that have happened over the last week. User score has been restored to a 90. Glad someone is dealing with that shit.
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This is legitimately the only Modern AAA JRPG that made me feel like I was back in the 90s-2000s Squaresoft era.
Elden Ring being the only other game. Which is saying alot.
Even if you didn’t like the game, it doesn’t deserve a 0. Feel like it’s bots/people that are so desperate for SE to fail.
Many of those everywhere lately
We’re in an age where it’s cool to kick people while they’re down it seems. SE arguably released 2 successes in less than a year but people still wanna dump on them.
It’s probably not exclusive to SE but I’ve encountered a notable amount of people who seem to get some weird joy out of seeing them fumble.
Very strange energy lol.
Seriously. Rebirth was 120 hours of magic for me, and 16’s setting and grittiness was so refreshing for me. I feel like the only people dumping on these games are people who don’t own a Playstation at this point
The larger the fanbase the more haters of the thing there are.
Square has split gamers opinions in many different ways over the years but FF7 is arguably the most controversial game in their arsenal for a lot of (valid) reasons. It's the golden child of the franchise and has received an unbelievable amount of content. Naturally you've got the "I'm so sick of it crowd"
You've also got the "JRPG's are shit" crowd, the "Remakes and Remasters are stupid" crowd, "OG is superior game, I can't believe they completely ruined it" crowd, the "It should have been my favorite game instead" crowd. I could go on and on but I'll end on the "This is too much content" crowd.
Again, no one is wrong and no one is right, it's all just an opinion. For me Rebirth has surpassed all my expectations and it has overtaken OG as my favorite game of all time. If they stick the landing in Part 3 I'll be over the moon. I really hope they uncap Materia OG style and let you dominate Hard Mode with it.
I typically don't comment just to let someone know I agree with them but, damn, you hit the nail on the head for my thoughts on this. I'm talking from peoples' perceptions to the actual game itself. I am cool with a fair criticism but a lot that I've seen are over the top for the reasons you described and many more. This game, for me, was absolutely stellar and a perfect example of what a remake should be if a game is to be remade.
To bounce off of what others have said regarding mini-games being a big reason for people not liking it, they seem to be the loudest of detractors. I definitely got frustrated with the time I spent playing them but enjoyed it regardless (don't get me wrong, I love the mini-games, I just got frustrated which is what's supposed to happen as they aren't supposed to be easy). Every time, I remember how many countless hours I spent when I was young on the mini games in the OG and how this game brought back all those feelings. Playing as an adult now is just very different than it was when I was a kid. I don't have the time nor patience I did back then but now I am able to just turn it off and come back later to keep going. PS5 rest mode is great.
It's the mini game hate, the one star reviews are people that rage quit I bet
Possibly. That and the OG purists maybe? Or the weebs pushing for stellarblade to be GOTY because anime tits.
The (obvious) positive review bombing of SB is already a bit sad, but negative review bombing of another game would be beyond pathetic so I refuse to believe this 🤣🤣
What the weebs don't realise is that GOTY nominations are rarely, if ever, nominated because of user review scores on aggregate sites, because they can be easily brigaded.
Critic reviews account for about 90% of the weighted scoring system re: nominations. The other 10% is the fan vote. At least that's how it works with the big awards shows like the TGA's.
Nobody who played the game would come across a mini game, get frustrated and said this deserved one star.
Its evidently bots, trolls or competing studios
I think you underestimate people's ability to rage quit, take it out on the game review and leave
People will generally only rate something one star, or five stars. Source: Used to work at a large eCommerce retailer (you can probably guess which one) and saw the data.
I thought it was because the flowers don't move when you walk over them
XD
Don’t give those people an ounce of the benefit of the doubt. If there were no mini games they would review bomb because there’s no mini games like the OG.
These people live to whine and bitch and nothing else.
Happens to every top game. Its cause of exclusivity usually. But even titans like elden ring that are on everything got that initial hate from salty folks annoyed their favourite games aren't doing as well. Gamers are toxic fr
Yeah, just check out the user rating on Elden Ring on sites like Metacritic. It was mainly because of the technical issues the game had at launch.
Or just straight up haters, they rate 0 just to make fanbases mad, and it still didn't work. Ha!
This. It's fine for people to not like something. It's when people want to go out of their way to try and make sure that other people also don't like it...well that is when it gets ridiculous.
They will be the psn fanboys that are mad about ps exclusives not being exclusive and that square is apparently dropping the ps exclusivity
They deserve to fail, for their bad decisions. FF7 Rebirth is an awesome game I put 150 hours into it myself.
FF16 I stopped playing 4 hours in because the performance mode is absolute trash, and the graphics mode is even worse trash, and it's still not fixed 1 year after release.
Not because their SE, not because idiots review bombed them. If they put 16 and 7Rebirth on PC/XBOX they would have sold 10M+ copies of each, instead of 2-3M copies on PS5.
The game is great, but they made bad decisions, like Sony Exclusive, and other games like Forspoken and Foamstars deserve to be panned as bad games....well because they are bad games.
No one gets a pass from criticism, no one gets free sales because of their legacy, no one gets to rest on their laurels.
Everyone must strive for perfection, if you are a company you HAVE to ALWAYS RESPECT your CUSTOMERS and their WALLETS and their TIME and their INTELLIGENCE.
SE has failed to do those basic things, much like Disney/Warner and many other companies have failed their customers. Now they're mad they lost revenue and didn't turn a profit?
They don’t “deserve to fail” at all. Whether it because of bad decisions in business with NFTs etc or just outright bad games, they’re still living people trying to make things for us to enjoy. Just because you don’t like something doesn’t mean you should direct hate at anyone. That’s a typical modern day childish, entitled view on life.
No,
Life is about choices, I didn’t say they don’t deserve a second chance.
I said they deserved to fail. Because they made bad choices.
That’s life.
I keep saying this. In a modern video game landscape filled to the brim with microtransactions, always-online games, GaaS in general, and just every trick made for the sake of player retention even on single player video games, here's a AAA JRPG that you pay an upfront fee for and get a regular game out of. No tricks.
Indeed. A well-known reviewer a few weeks ago might have came off as hyperbolic when they said it, but they said Rebirth might be the last AAA open-world game with the amount of raw content that it contained without the need for paid DLC or micro-transactions. A complete game for $70.
After seeing what EA and Ubisoft have done with their latest offerings re: Outlaws and Shadows with their Day 1 DLC, early access charges, season passes, I'm inclined to believe them.
Agreed that "sense of wonder" in the modern era is rare
Not really. Zelda BOTW and Elden Ring say hello.
Great, you've picked out 2 games in the last 7 years.
Those are pretty good too I'm just thinking in the more jrpg traditional aspect
It's such an amazing game, it's kind of sad to hear/read that it seemingly did not sell too well (unsurprisingly, given the literal 1 platform it's on and games rising in price). Hopefully the PC release gives a huge boost, because it's such an incredible game with such love and care put to it.
It underperformed to Square's expectations, which were (probably erroneously), based on what they sold for Remake, but it'll do fine over its lifetime like every FF game eventually does.
It sold fine. Plus Sony likely threw some funding into development for the timed exclusivity deal.
As has been stated, we are comparing it against Remake, which was on a console with twice the install base, during a pandemic, and was the first game in a trilogy.
I'm sure Rebirth is doing fine, and will do even better once it hits PC.
If Square has officially said it has sold bad then please direct me towards that, but I feel like we're hand wringing because it did not sell 1:1 with Remake's numbers.
Yeah that's fair. I think I read it "didn't meet sales" expectations however, and since Square hasn't released numbers like they usually do on a "huge success" release, leads me to believe it didn't sell quite as crazy as they hoped.
Still, I believe it at least sold well enough as I mentioned before, but since this is Square, their expectations are always... pretty wild. I'm hoping the PC version comes soon, because I really hope modding takes off to the next level since it's such an open and large game unlike Remake (which basically had just outfit/nude mods....)
Hey, to be fair, there's also a good PC mod that fixes the party AI so they actually are more aggressive in combat (i.e. they don't just stand there for large swaths of time).
That coupled with the mod that makes the enemies not default to attacking the party member you are actively controlling was very nice on my Remake 2nd playthrough.
Yeah those two games are very close to me as well. I'd personally say Elden Ring is just a bit better because of the overall difficulty, more interesting lore and the fact that the FF7R mini games are pretty intrusive; but FF7R is definitely more polished with some pretty crazy attention to detail and fan service.
Yeah this and elden ring have been the best games I've played in the past 10 years for sure
Is Elden Ring a JRPG? People usually call it an action RPG.
Is Elden Ring casual gamer friendly? I've been meaning to play it
I wouldn't say it's casual gamer unfriendly. The main story can be fairly challenging but there isn't too much stopping you from grinding through it eventually. Almost always something to pick up and waste an hour or two on. Most of the trickier enemies are tucked away in what amounts to optional side content.
For my part I would say if it seems interesting give it a shot. I consider Elden Ring to be one of the better entry points for the Soulsborne series, along with Dark Souls 3 and Bloodborne.
It’s the most welcoming for a new souls player. It’s still hard, but there’s so much to explore and so many play styles. Compared to previous games, if you’re stuck on a boss, you can just leave, do something else, get stronger, and come back
If you utilize the Spirit Ashes mechanic, then basically anyone can beat it.
If you're an old school casual, yes. If you are comfy game casual then hell no. It's definitely worth a go though.
Granblue Fantasy Relink was great as well. Not overly long and it is all about the gameplay.
Notice Elden ring and BG3 won GOTY the last 2 years. If Rebirth wins it’ll be the rpg hat trick
Yup! I never wanted it to end, though I do wish we got a bit more story but hopefully a lot to come in part 3. It's the first time I have ever felt like this as an adult and low and behold it's FFVII and Square that have done it again and it's very refreshing to feel this. While I have enjoyed most recent FF games somewhat, nothing like I did th is.
This was like been a kid again and that magic was there! I am getting excited to play it again just typing this and you know that's a good sign! I love the original so much and honestly this one made me question everything lol, contemplating do I like this one more now. I'll be honest it's so modern that going back to the original is a tad hard now lol. Though I do miss some of the materia combinations you can do in the original.
Either way, 2 of my favourite games are now both variations of FFVII haha
Dragon Quest 11 gave me some vibes as well. If you haven't played that yet it's quite fantastic IMO.
Those games had a lot of optional Bosses and dungeons plus hidden content and exploration.This game is seriously lacking any of that. Sure we have some VR battles but where are our epic side dungeons?
Has anybody found any hidden ares in this game yet?… No because there are none. Every thing has a damn icon on it. It’s incredibly streamlined.
If you played Final fantasy 12 you’ll realize just how shallow this game really is.
This game has plenty of optional content too, just not in the form of dungeons. But that's okay because the dungeons Rebirth does have are a far cut above anything I was expecting.
This game really went above and beyond in its level design. And while I would have loved some real optional dungeons, I'm perfectly content with the massive environments and relatively high-quality quests available in the main game.
Also, the minigames...people dislike them, I on the other hand greatly appreciate them. A great showcase of game design.
At the end of the day....Rebirth feels FARRRR closer to the original OG than I ever expected a modern game to. Honestly after Remake I completely abandoned all hope that they could reach the density of varied content that FF7 had.
Now, there's no doubt in my mind that Pt3 will live up to the legacy.
Like, I cannot overstate how FUCKING mindblowing that is to type. If Rebirth was like Remake then I would be terrified.
Here to add to list of people who counter-reviewed! Signed up when to give it the 10 it deserves after I heard about all the 0 spam
How come you weren't there day 1!?
Too busy playing the game
This is the correct answer. "I was avoiding life as I was feasting on this amazing experience."
Literally me. The game came out Wednesday night, I missed school on Thursday I think (unimportant class) and just played the whole weekend for the most part. It was like preparing for a feast because I planned it out and got food and snacks and stuff just for that weekend. I didn’t even finish the game until Monday night. I hadn’t done that in years and it felt cool. FFXVI took me like a week or two to beat.
The game is amazing and nostalgic, don’t know why’d you care to review Bomb it I don’t get the logic. If you didn’t enjoy it rate it low but a 0 is absurd. I reckon you should show proof you bought it before you review otherwise it’s hearsay.
My favourites are "I spent 200 hours playing this game and it's trash! 0 / 10" 🤣🤣🤣
I definitely know if I hate a game before the 200hr mark and love myself enough to just play something else
The longest I've played a game I hated was 10 hours for FFXIII, and I gave it 10 hours because it has "FF" on its title.
Games that I consider a personal 0 (like Silent Hill Shattered Memories, for example) I played for 1 or 2 hours.
But this was before I "learned" to play the demo if I'm on the fence. I played Resident Evil 5's demo and immediately discarded buying it XD
There have always been haters and miserable people but it’s crazy how many more the internet has created. I don’t get how people can spend so much time playing a game they “hate”. I also don’t get why people choose to try and platinum a game they “hate”. If I don’t like a game then I don’t like it, I play something I enjoy. And I don’t shame others for liking it and say it’s #actuallybad.
I’m not an emotional person, this game didn’t make me emotional I suppose. But I remember when my dad switched ‘in cold blood’ for ps1 for Final Fantasy 7 and me and my brother played Final Fantasy 7 original for the first time, then leaving Midgar and we had a world to explore it was exciting. It was all we could think about as children. Now am 33 and nothing could replicate that feeling but Final Fantasy 7 rebirth got close. It may seem a bit sad but those were some of the best days of my life. Taught me how to read properly. But anyway I ramble. Final Fantasy 7: Rebirth got me close to feeling that child like wonder again.
I registered an account with metacritic just to add my rating to it.
Either that or there was counter-bombing. I know I added my positive review after I saw the evidence of bombing.
Bombing is much easier than counter-bombing when the target score is 9. Takes 9x 10/10 reviews to offset 1 0/10 review.
True
Metacritic has a review bomb counter (if it is super obvious and easily detectable at least). It usually takes a few days to kick in though.
I have watched Rebirth and other games as well take a big hit due to bombing (probably some idiot with a bot) only for the reviews be deleted a few days later.
You guys get way too invested in these things. Sales, reviews, all that shit.
Sales is pretty important given SE isn’t going to operate at a loss as a business model. Sales very much determines their future projects. Edit for typo
I sometimes feel sorry for SE. Regardless of whether you like the story or not, or the combat style, Rebirth is a game of massive production value and artistically well done. The art style, crazy amount of music pieces (a theme for even a side quest encounter!), wide variety of optional contents, a deep combat system, it is way above the value of multiple similarly priced products esp rebirth comes with minimal bug (only a broken UPA quest, one unrecorded affection section with that amount of content is very impressive) and 0 content locked behind microtransactions.
And then people throws 0s at the game and hate it? It is like complaining a all you can eat restaurant providing too much food for a fixed price. Imagine giving 0/10 for Elden Ring because it has too many optional bosses and there is an actual reward for beating them lol.
With so much negative feedback I fear that one day SE will throw the towel or other studios see the hate and say there is no point in building such grand piece and ultimately, it is us who suffer from having less high quality games to choose from.
rebirth Is GOTY
Anybody who gave rebirth a zero is full of crap that game was amazing
Its game of the year anyway and i had my ps5 since the release and this is the game when i play i feel its something special and worth every penny my console so fck the bots and idiots who can’t realise what square did with this game, its a love project
Agreed.
1000% agree!
Why do people give a shit about this?
If you like it, it was a good game for you. The desperate validation seeking is so loserish.
Because good things should be praised and praise and accolades should be used to advertise and help sales.
What’s wrong with supporting something you enjoyed?
LMAO. They’re a multibillion dollar company. They’re not a single mom working two jobs. They don’t need praise and support.
I don’t give a crap about SE but I’ll go to bat for the very talented, hard working devs who made this game happen any day.
Very childish view. As a company they have history of making games that I enjoyed so buying their product and positive reviews are how you support that.
for me, it's all about signaling the publisher (SE) what works and what doesn't. Even tho the sales side hasn't panned out, I hope they take the good critical reception as sign to continue in this direction while refining things.
FFVII: Rebirth is a great game but definitely not a god's gift to gaming that only FF fans think it is.
I gotta agree with this sentiment. It's a solid game, but there were some questionable design choices that are worth dinging at least at least a point or two. It's certainly much better than a 5/10 game, but it's no masterpiece either.
Yeah its great, but it didn't innovate anything. I don't get why people act like it has changed gaming forever.
I do think it's a masterpiece, and I say this as someone who doesn't need Zacks or Lifestream multiverses.
I can spend a whole evening chocobo racing, or another whole one with virtual battles, or another doing sidequests, or I can exclusively focus on the story. It's several games in one, it can be one game one day and a completely different one the next, the way I'm playing it.
Opinions, you know XD
That’s your opinion But it seems you expect FF fans to only agree with your opinion.
It literally is god's gift to gaming and I say that as somebody who only got into FF within the last 10 months. I ain't no nostalgia ridden lifelong fan who knows how fantastic Rebirth is.
It actually is a gods gift to gaming, what is this cope
I hope for the final installment that they go through like the original. I just finished this one and started playing the og. Man there is a lot to do. More than I remember.
Yayyyy. Only real reviews.