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I'm sure this has been asked more than once here, but what is your hot take?

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Doomsday Clock is pretty good. I think people hate on it simply because it's a sequel to Watchmen.

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I don’t know what my hot take is but I kinda dig that out of the 3 other comments 1 is praising Black Hammer as superior to one of the most beloved graphic novels of all time and another is stating how much Lemire sucks, complete with Black Hammer as an example as to why.

Ah the duality of man strikes again.

Geoff Johns is a prime example of how mediocrity rises to the top in popular media.

He paints by the numbers. Hits familiar story beats and tropes. And that’s it. Does not have an original bone in his body.

Same with Scott Snyder.

i would argue this isn't even an hot take ahah

Strongly disagree.

Regardless of your feelings on Doomsday Clock, Geoff Johns is an excellent writer.

Green Lantern, Superman, Justice League, Star-Girl, Aquaman, The Flash, JSA, Infinite Crisis, Blackest Night, Flashpoint. All of these works are highly-praised, and rightfully so.

Most of those runs are largely derivative of works before. He mostly rehashes what other writers have done. Particularly with his secret origin stories.

Well, I guess we're just going to have different opinions on Johns.

I like him. You don't. And that's okay.

This is a hot take thread…

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Comics published in America would be stronger works if writers picked up some visual art skills to better understand what they’re asking art collaborators to do. Hand in hand with this, I think artists should get more independence and authorship with the narrative given how much of the comics medium is visual. Other comic spheres like manga & BD seem to have better narrative cohesion within collaborative comics than seems to happen with many writer-artist pairings that happen in Amer. comics whether it’s superhero, graphic novel, etc. That said I generally prefer work by cartoonists or very small teams, my bias is ridiculously clear looking at my bookshelf.

Love moore, but lost girls is weird and unreadable.

Marjane Satrapi is a mediocre cartoonist

u/NMVPCP avatar

From Hell sucks big time. It’s over engineered, hard to read, too dense when it didn’t need to, and I can’t even tell characters apart.

Monica was all hype and no one is still talking about that book.

Soft covers are a superior reading format.

How are they superior?

Their lighter, easier to hold, travel better. For me, hard covers are unwieldy, uncomfortable to sit with or lay in bed and read.

Fair enough. I prefer them, but to each their own. We should be able to read in any format we like.

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A lot of the 'must read' comics are pretty hit and miss, I know that some of them have reinvented their genre and that's great but if they've been superceded by what has come afterward then they're no longer the gold standard that they were if you get what I'm saying.

Like Hendrix is legend of the guitar world but nobody would call him the best, yeah its cool to see where stuff came from but it's been built on and has developed further so I'd rather see that then the origin of it.

Also as I've said before in another thread I think Sandman is pretty bad, Preacher is just edgy for the sake of it and has aged horribly, From Hell is ugly to look at, Frank Miller's art style is pretty shit except for a handful of comics.

I think people, get caught up in the zeitgeist of certain books and feel the obligation to like them, it's fine to disagree with what the status quo think.

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Preacher is just edgy for the sake of it and has aged horribly

I disagree with your opinion on Sandman, but as for Preacher, this is spot on. I think that it was so highly regarded in its day because it came out at a time before the use of the internet was widespread, and therefore atheist readers who probably didn't have access to a like-minded community and body of literature, were drawn to it like a beacon.

Two things I find particularly objectionable about it are its treatment of male on male sexual assault, like it's some kind of minor inconvenience that "real men" don't let happen to them. That and the big angry speech that Arseface receives after his attempted suicide-- it just comes off as clueless, tone deaf, and self-righteous, given what the character had gone through during the entire story up to that point.

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Black Hammer is better than Watchmen.

Edit: guys downvotes are for off topic stuff not for disagreeing with an opinion in a thread about hot takes smh

comment on your edit: this is a fight you will never win. up and down votes are too ingrained in the psyche to be anything but 'i likey' or 'i dont likey'. Even if they replaced the buttons with text that read 'on topic' 'off topic'. Some subs are way worse about it than others. Like, go state an opinion in r/jrpg Ultimately the votes mean literally nothing anyway. Dont lose sleep over it :)

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u/FridgeAndTheBoulder avatar

Steel ball run sucked and was carried by its art

Hotter take: you're wrong about Doomsday Clock

Not a hot take at all lol

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Daytripper ain't all that. It's sacchine and gimmicky, and there's no reason to root for the characters. Art is great though.

u/blobbyboii avatar

Crossed gets to much hate, theres some stinkers but most of them are pretty good

u/CriticalCanon avatar

Jeff Lemiere is a transparent hack.

Black Hammer is the dumbest Super Hero trope laden story ever created but using the British TV series “The Prisoner” as its backdrop.

Gideon Falls is him cosplaying Stephen King’s IT set in a Twin Peaks clone like town.

Dude is the most unoriginal, yet popular writer working today. He is obviously a big fan of well regarded art in all forms since that is where he takes all of his ideas.

u/NMVPCP avatar

Sweet Tooth was the first graphic novel I read and the one that got me into this fantastic world. I thought it was cool at the time, and I then bought Trillium from Lemire, which was really forgettable. I didn’t buy anything else from him, but have been keen to check his Giddeon Falls and Ascender/Descender series, but not so much the rest of his works.

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