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The Qing Dynasty, or what's left of it (2024) | The Liberation (Contest entry)

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u/thecrystalballreddit avatar
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This is both a contest entry and part of a series I'm doing. Be sure to check out my other maps in the series

LORE:
In this timeline, the Dungan revolt had a much bigger impact on the general area of China. First of all, the revolt in Kashgar itself managed to succeed. Second, the revolutionaries In East Turkestan managed to persuade other ethnic groups to revolt weakening the power of the Qing empire. The ethnic groups in question were the Mongols, the Kalmyks, the Tibetans, and other Han Chinese who started believing that the Qing emperors have lost their mandate of heaven, which caused them to establish a republic. After the revolutions the Qing empire was left with nothing but their original homeland of Manchuria. They started to become more Manchu centered culturally. Manchu became the official language and the Qing dynasty was colloquially referred to as Manchuria. That's all the lore, ask questions I WILL answer ALL of them

What caused Russia to not annex the Far East?

u/thecrystalballreddit avatar

Well when the Dungan revolt happened, Russia had already annexed it

I meant Vladivostok and the Amur regions

u/thecrystalballreddit avatar

Oh sorry I just noticed you said "not"
Well the reason is The Russian empire completely collapsed as well. It was a very similar thing that happened to China. All the ethnic groups under Russian rule decided to revolt at the same time.

Best Russia.

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u/These_Depth9445 avatar

What is "Chanhua" ?

u/57mmShin-Maru avatar

Likely the Manchu language version of Changchun.

u/Lan_613 avatar

nope, no such name called "Chanhua" existed, Changchun was always Changchun

u/thecrystalballreddit avatar

Hm, i must've made a mistake then. I apologize

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u/Lan_613 avatar

Those Hebei/Zhili borders are.. not very defensible

u/thecrystalballreddit avatar

That's what the borders of the region of Zhili looked like though

u/Lan_613 avatar

they were the old administrative boundaries, yes, but if massive wars/revolutions broke out as the lore says, then the borders would naturally revert into something more defensible (like how the Korean borders went from a straight line to the current DMZ)

u/thecrystalballreddit avatar

I understand your point however things like that do happen in history, for example the western borders of the Second Polish Republic were based almost exactly on the borders of the provinces of the German and Austrian Empires

u/Rude-Run8930 avatar

That example is very irrelevant here. The Polish People's Republic's borders were established after the Soviets liberated Poland from the Nazis fully, and thus were able to rewrite the borders as Moscow saw fit. These were not wartime borders, this was them making literally new borders based on ethnic maps and historical provinces of Poland. This is very loose, however, as you might notice several straight fuckin lines in the border which had never existed before. In this scenario, the Qing dynasty was practically overthrown by the Han and forced into exile in Manchuria. There is no shot in hell that the entirety of Zhili would be included in their rump state when it wouldn't benefit the Qing militarily and the Chinese state would oppose it. A border following mountains or rivers would make more sense than abiding by Qing (the enemy)'s districts.

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u/Lan_613 avatar

the Second Republic's eastern border was the result of their war with the Soviets though

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Is the PRC still a thing?

u/thecrystalballreddit avatar

There is a very similar thing to it but it's not exactly the same. The southern provinces of China are part of a communist country however it's called the People's Socialist Republic of China, and it's proper communist rather than Maoist

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Who’s the current emperor and what are their powers?

u/thecrystalballreddit avatar

The current emperor is Puyi (same name as the last emperor in OTL but it's not the same guy). The government is a constitutional monarchy. Not the same type as you would see now with the UK or Sweden but instead one where the emperor has a similar amount of power as the prime minister.

So something like the Moroccan System?

Furthermore, it won't be Puyi as all the names for the Qing succession is already defined, so only Puyi's generation uses 浦- names, like Aisin Gioro Pujie for example. So after his generation it won't use 浦

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