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Funny enough, I can only go back as far as Dennis Rodman, who, for some reason, had an obsession with changing hair (tbh, likely due to mental issues. I think Jeremy is for the most part mentally stable.. I hope so anyway).
I just have never seen a player so heavily defended by Spurs fans, who is just so unremarkable, and even below average, on pretty much all the stats (advanced or not). It's almost like Spurs fans like mediocrity, as long as it's coupled with hard work. That is such a weird take.
With the recent Jeremy's shooting video, his shot is almost as bad's as Kyle Anderson. I mean, tbh, even Kyle has better advanced stats than Jeremy (Anderson: 51.3% TS, 9.7 PIE; Sochan: 51.3% TS, 8.1 PIE). Kyle was the 29th pick.
As I was making this, I stumbled upon Jeremy's shot distribution: Very pitiful. https://global.nba.com/players/hotzones/#!/jeremy_sochan
16.7%, left wing midrange. 20%, top of the key midrange. 22.2%, left side of the basket, 10 feet. 31.2%, center area, 8-16 feet from the basket. And this is who you guys think will succeed around Wemby? Let's be real, Spurs fans.
I hope Jeremy proves me wrong. But he's one of the worst players, and certainly the most overrated one in recent memory, in my opinion.
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I don't even know where to start with this. First of all, when you're trying to evaluate a player and how they're rated context is important. If Jeremy was some random 26-year-old, or is drafted out of college with the idea that he had a polished skill set then getting up in arms about him and his current ability would make a little bit more sense to me.
I feel like there's so much revisionist history around him, what expectations are for him, and what his ability is.
He was drafted with the understanding that he was an extremely long-term project. The kid shot 50% from the free-throw line and averaged nine points per game off the bench in college. And even then that was with him having showed an extremely huge burst of improvement over the last 12 months. He was so far away from being on NBA radars as he was finishing High School as he was quite frankly a garbage pail energy guy with no skill to speak of
Where he was finishing his rookie year is so far beyond Were anyone realistically thought he would be on offense Even someone like me who scouted the heck out of him and was extremely high on him (I had him fifth on my big board) viewed him as the type of guy who wouldn't even sniff an all rookie team and would probably take a solid 3 years before he was even slightly functional on offense. He was always going to be a long-term play on upside and never supposed to be someone expected to be a positive player in his first couple years.
For those who slogged through The pre-victor season, and man was it a slog, did get the silver lining of being treated to Jeremy smashing through the proverbial rookie wall. Over the second half of the season there was real argument to be made that there weren't five rookies in the league who were playing better than him. His ball handling improved tremendously, his free throw shooting went from being around 42% pre one hand, to being firmly in the '70s with the switch. He improved his decision maker, he improved really across the board
This year was a rough year for him but again there's so much context involved in that. As you, as a Spurs fan, are very well aware. The kid was thrown into the hardest position to learn in basketball, not even 2 years removed from him Being a player who wouldn't take more than a single dribble before passing it. He's improved a ton, in the front office. Obviously believes there's something there with him as a ball handler and passer, but it was quite clear he was in over his head when they made the decision, and it was even more clear when they waved the white flag on it.
That would be hard enough but he had to do it during a year when San Antonio received about as much scrutiny, media, attention, and pressure as you will ever see on a lottery team.
He got bashed by analysts, he got bashed by talking heads, his own fans were screaming and yelling all over social media, calling into radio stations, demanding he be waved as some kind of sacrificial scapegoat for Victor not setting the world on fire immediately.
How the hell is a 20-year-old Still trying to come into his own and figure out what exactly his play style is, supposed to thrive in that environment.
To his, and the front offices, credit they made an adjustment, they put him back in his role, and they simplified things for him. You can whip out stats and try to point to him being terrible, horrible and no good. But Victor's not the only reason we were significantly improved. Defensively after the turn of the new year.
With the offensive burden reduced on him, he went back to looking like the player he was to end the previous year. And extremely smooth, confident, cheeky, and versatile defensive player. Able to blow up opposing schemes and switch all over the place. He was still inconsistent but he had genuine moments of providing elite defense over the second half of the year. His rebounding improved, his decision making went up. He was quite frankly significantly better and if he had been allowed to play in that role all year, I highly doubt we'd be seeing posts like this one.
But even then if you once again want to try to call out people for defending him and liking him without his current level. Being that good, because clearly he's still a project and not a high-end player, then it again comes just back down to expectations.
He was always going to be someone that took his entire rookie contract to become a positive player. He just frankly was so far behind the curb and early on in his development journey. When San Antonio drafted him versus his fellow prospects. His improvement rate in many facets has been sensational, And in other relatively underwhelming
He's a unique player who deserves patience from the fan base. He's shown some real high-end flashes. And he's just 21. I feel like people have crazy expectations on him at times and want to hyper focus on his failures and struggles and hand wave away. The very tangible moments where he's shown that there is definitely something there.
Maybe he never puts it all together. Maybe indeed he ends up never being more than just flashes. But I don't think there's any reason to be surprised that Spurs fans want to be patient, and protective, of a extremely likable, hard-working, unique player Who on draft night this year is going to still be younger than a good handful of players who are most certainly going to be drafted in the lottery.
If I may ask, what about a 9ppg bench player did scouts love enough to draft him that high? Were other teams high on him also or was he a Spurs special? Spurs fan forever but I don’t watch college ball.
Yeah no problem. So there were a few things.
He had a teammate who was viewed as a top 10 or so prospect going into the season, so there were a lot of scouts that watched Baylor games that year. And that Baylor team was... Well. Let's just say inconsistent.
Scouts got a real good look at Jeremy. Going from a dude who could barely handle the ball in November, to just a couple of months later. Being asked with playing as a point forward And becoming really the secret sauce for that Baylor team. I don't think it would be fair to say that he saved their season, because it wasn't like they were absolutely dog crap at any point, they were always solid, but when they started experimenting with him as the ball handler and secondary playmaker from the 4/5 position, it really unlocked a ton of things for that team.
And defensively his improvement throughout the year was pretty startling. I don't even know if I would have considered him a good defender at the college level to start the season and by the end he was viewed as one of the very best defenders in all of college basketball.
When he came off the bench you could just feel the momentum change almost every time. Teams would have to really adjust for him because he was able to switch everything, stick with ball handlers, and not get bullied around too much in the post. Offensively he'd grab the ball and just start the break almost every time and a lot of college level defenses weren't organized to handle the chaos of a 6'9 dude running the ball down their throats.
So when it came time for the draft, the idea behind him, and the reason why he was viewed as a dude with one of the highest ceilings in the draft was that he was someone that came with a level of certainty around his defensive ability, and the versatility he provided. On that end. It's very rare to have dudes his size who have both plus athleticism, plus length, and enough quickness to stick with guards and really be able to defend just all over the place. When you get into high-end playoff basketball guys like that are just stupidly valuable.
You can take a look at someone like Jalen McDaniels with Minnesota, and the fact that he's going to be making as much as Devin vassel, To see just how valued that type of defensive prototype is in the modern day
So you have a guy who projects as Being at the very least, a good defender in his prime and potentially a great one. But now you start throwing in these flashes of ball handling, the occasional no-look pass, super intelligent Reed, and even more intriguingly the occasional pull-up jump shot spin move, self-created mid-range jumper... And it's not hard for a scout to imagine that the player he could look like if it all comes together could be a real stud
Leading up to draft night. Jeremy was typically mocked between 14 and 7 there were a few that had him out of the lottery and I saw a couple mocks that had him in that seven, six, five range but usually he was around 12 to 8 give or take.
He was actually very commonly mocked to the Spurs.
Jeremy was always a swing big move from San Antonio and again, a lot of the things that made him an intriguing pic were very theoretical and seen in little flashes here there.
But even just over his first two years, you can still see those flashes. For every eye rolling turnover, or moment where he dribbles the ball to know where and looks lost, you'll have an occasional pass, swing to the corner, smooth spin. Move, dynamic. Cut to the rim where you're just like wow. Where the heck did that come from?
We really need to give him another couple of years before we're too critical of him or the draft spot.
Dan is someone who was high on him. I'll tell you. I think he's right where he needs to be on his development. I'm not sure if he's going to reach his absolute ceiling and become that borderline two-way star that the most bullish fans of his saw glimpses of, but I do feel like all the indicators are still there to point to him becoming a really good player down the line
Ok good, thanks, it really helps from the college perspective.
I mean, Jaden McDaniels' shot is fluid, and he's longer, so I don't think that's a fair comparison (for now).
But hey, your opinion and insight is obviously very solid, so I suppose, I have no choice as a Spurs fan to just sit back and watch. I just don't have a very good feeling about this, but then again, I was spoiled with 5 championships (Spurs fan since 2001), so it could just be that as well hahah. But again, thanks for the write-up.
He was Sam Vecenies 6th ranked player, he’s one of the more respected draft analysts(my favorite)
He was slated to go right in the range we picked him. Good prospect despite underwhelming stats
He was consistently rated in the 5-10 range on draft boards as a strong, versatile defender, who was incredibly raw offensively but was athletic and had shown glimpses being a good cutter and being able to keep the ball moving.
Kind of fits what we have seen so far.
"Brian Wright" special if you ask me. And looking at BW's track record, with the exception of Victor and Vassell it hasn't been really good.
i disagree all of brian pick had some good intentions behind them. for example
primo- a 6ft 6 guard with nice wingspans who can play point guard and is a solid 2 way player (based on what was seen of him) is tasty in today nba, he only didnt work out cause he was a dumbass
sochan- u know the deal with him
malaki- started the season poor then lit up which had talks about him going into the lottery. had a good first year with us, had to readjust his role for year 2 so he was down and up
blake- only pick i agree that was a subpar pick
Primo sucks sans flopping his cock. You see him getting run anywhere else?
I disagree, even though the team was high on him he’s shown very little improvement and has been an idea more than on the track to be who they thought he could be. His ball handling was still poor, he was a high volume shooter but wasn’t very efficient, and he got lost at times playing out there. Even before he was kicked off the team I was beginning to see a bust because he hasn’t improved that much on anything. The leap from rookie to second year is so important and he was still making mistakes from his rookie year especially from his own lack of ball handling.
He was a huge project and reaching for him changed the timeline of when the Spurs thought they were going to compete. Since 2018 we’ve picked 9 guards and spent 4 picks on other positions. I understand the teams desire to find a good guard but at the same time it’s not only a huge waste of resources but it also opens up huge holes at other positions.
I don’t know how much it is to blame on Wright alone or for the whole leadership team in the organization not being on the same page but Wright’s drafting has left a lot to be desired.
Primo would've been nice, but yeah, hahah, I think we were unlucky more than anything.
I'm just not happy on missing on Sengun (classic typical Spurs pick), or even Jalen Williams tbh. We'll see what BW brings to the table this year. :D
The clippers signed him to a contract then waived him this season. Pretty safe to say Primo was a bad pick
lol what. Sochan went from something like a -1 on DEPM to a +2. He was really good the second half of the season and he's only 20 yrs old. For context, that would be the = of Devo's rookie season and Devo played 2 years of college ball.
Wait what? What is that stat.. and can you link it please? Thanks.
Thanks for the wonderful write-up. Do you, or have you ever thought about writing for the San Antonio Express News? They could use a guy like you. Again, thank you.
I think we have a short window with Vic, that giving a year to someone who might not grow into a legit high-level starter is risky, is all I'm saying.
Suppose we draft Risacher. Suppose he moves to the starting lineup. Can Jeremy thrive as a bench player? These are things I think about. If Jeremy can't even do good for the second unit, what good is he for the Spurs?
I hope I'm not being impatient, but any time we have a potential all-time great - and you factor in the fact that Vic, due to his size, may not have LBJ longevity - time is more of an essence. Which makes roster building, and Brian Wright's job, super important.
I totally get that. I'm not one of those people that thinks we need to be in a giant rush with Victor, but quite clearly the timeline has adjusted. Jeremy was a pic specifically made with the idea of swinging for the fences and hoping we could find a star/hy-end player in a draft and position where there weren't really any obvious ones available And I'm sure they were probably more willing to let him mess around and explore his game for a few years before they had one of the greatest rookies ever on the roster
So in that regard I do get what you're saying. And look I'm a believer in Jeremy, I think he does have some special qualities in him, including some that don't necessarily show up on the stat sheet.
But he is going to be in a situation where he frankly is going to be asked to, and needed, to step up his game and find ways that he can impact things positively on offense if he's going to stick with the Victor Spurs long-term
I just don't necessarily think he needs to turn into a Good offensive player in the next 12 months for him to have value. I think he's defensive game actually works very well with Victor and like I said in my previous reply I thought he improved immensely on that end as the season went on.
Part of me actually kind of likes the idea of him off the bench where him being able to handle the ball a little bit more and be a secondary facilitator would make more sense and probably be more valuable , and minimize his lack of threat as a spot-up player in the short term.
More than anything Jeremy is someone who I think even he himself doesn't really fully understand what he is and is not capable of. Like I said, if you look at over the last 3 years he went from being a rim runner offensive rebounding specialist, to a energizing point forward, to really being allowed to do whatever the hell he wanted his rookie year with the Spurs, to play point guard, to then being asked to kind of play that Jalen McDaniels switchable 3&D modern four role.
While so many players in his class came into the league and were allowed to slot into spots they're comfortable in, and do things that they already know. They're capable of doing his entire basketball career really from high school, to college, to the pros has been about coaching staff's experimenting with what he can and can't do, and he himself having to pick things up on the fly.
The fact that he's always found ways to make little impacts here or there, even when he's been learning. Lots of new things and really again. Very rarely being allowed to play in his comfort zone, I think is very telling about him and a big reason why the great Greg popovich compared him to Manu ginobili and said he had one of the better basketball IQs for a player. His age he's ever seen.
Now that he's played a year with Victor, and Victor's, obviously the future moving forward, I'm hopeful that we can see Jeremy be allowed, for the first time as a spur, to really be put situations where his game is being asked to play to its strengths, where he can do things that will compliment Vic within the constraints of his ability, and allow him to get some consistency on both ends.
If by the end of his rookie contract he's still a guy who just doesn't have a place on offense. Yeah then I think questions can start to be asked. I just don't think we're at that point yet
And I appreciate your kind words, but I'm pretty sure my spelling and grammar abilities would give the express news an absolute stroke lol
I'm much better suited For my current career where I get to work in nature, where plants and animals don't judge my over-reliance on talk to text or aversion to commas.
I missed the part where Gregg Popovich calls his IQ one of the best he's ever seen. Well, if that's coming from the coach, there must be something there. Perhaps you're right, just needs the confidence along to grow with the potential. If the GOAT Coach sees that, then there must be something (although I do see Pop has softened over the years hahah).
Idk, I appreciate good writing. Especially in the age of the Internet. Thoughts are quite concise, and well-detailed. There was a point where I wanted to be a journalist myself (work in the healthcare field now). I'm just saying, in the age of Internet, you're doing a good work of art man.
ANYWAYS BACK TO DEBATING HAHAHAHAHA
What kind of nature work do you do, paxus? I got my start in landscaping & just moved to the more general operations side of things. I miss the prolonged hours outdoors, listening to podcasts & birdsongs
I have a pretty specific job so I don't want to dox myself, but I work in wildlife conservation more or less.
It's as if there's more to basketball than just shooting
If you can’t shoot, you can’t set up a defense after a make. Without a set d…you gonna suck. So, shooting is most definitely part of defense.
Spurs need more offense than anything.
They were worst defense ever last season and on the bottom 5 this season, I'm not sure offense is the priority
Modern NBA relies on offenses.
Even defensively, looking at stats, Sochan is 5th (behind Devin Vassell) on defensive win shares. 8th highest defensive rating in the team (although the highest is Cedi Osman, so I don't know how much legitimacy we can give that stat). Of the rotation players, Sochan has the worst net rating (-7.0). The only players worse are Keldon, Malaki, and Blake, of which the latter three are discussed to be potentially not part of the Spurs future.
Yeah, don't see how one can defend the guy besides platitudes such as "high motor". Good character though.
You lost me at modern NBA relies on offenses. Do you watch any games? Did you not just see the twolves beat the defending champs by holding them under 100 points every win? As low as 70 one game?
Not sure if you’re trolling or just had a thought and are trying to back it up without thinking through it thoroughly but this is a bad take. Shooting is the easiest thing to fix. Tenacity, game iq, and a mature mindset aren’t. That’s why he is going to succeed and why he is a lock for a roster spot long term.
Just watch the games and you will see he is the second best defender of the team by far. All these stats are bullshit because they consider the Jeremy sochan point guard moment, and we can't say it was a true masterpiece. Now that he is at his role, he is a really great defender. Also the fact that devin is ahead should prove these stats are trash when you watched at least one spurs game
Edit : yes nba relies on offense, but altering the opposing offense is needed, the opposite teams will all have players who can shoot, so you have to net let them shoot freely, and as of now only wemby and sochan can do it (champagnie a little bit but meh)
Timberwolves have the best defense in the league and just knocked out the champs. There is a reason why they say defense wins championships.
The way Sochan is hated in this sub, you'd think he eats babies for breakfast. The guy is the ultimate glue guy who has the potential to be the third best player on a championship team. He's raw but he has improved consistently and has only had 2 years in this league for God's sake! If he's still the same player at the end of his rookie deal, sure, question him all you want. But give the kid a break.
Finally, a thoughtful and measured take. Thank you.
Show me someone who thinks Sochan is already an above average starter and I’ll agree with you that he’s overrated by that person.
Many believe he’s a high potential player who already has a valuable skillset on defense and has an offensive game that is just starting to take shape. That’s a very fair assessment imo. He’s already shown lots of improvement and we are still a couple days away from his 21st birthday.
Hes played 2 full seasons. Considering the limitations of his offensive game being well behind his peers from that draft (or really any draft), I don’t think his age is a great argument. You almost never see a lottery pick have to rebuild their jump shot like this. It should be considered distressing to say the least.
No, not even close. Who's rating Jeremy so highly?
Your post says that he's not a good shooter, which everyone knows. He's young player who needs to improve as a shooter.
Silly post.
Several people over the season have simply stated that he’s not a good player right now and it’s frustrating and not very excusable now after 2 full seasons.
It’s not a very cynical or dramatic take. Seems pretty fair. But the typical response is that no - he’s good right now because look at who he guards and look at his 3% going up. But obviously, if you’ve been following the playoffs, he’s not even close to what a guy like mcdaniels is on D. Can’t fake it and play the refs like Dort either. Hes just a guy who is serviceable across a bunch of spots.
And his offense should be absolutely alarming if you want him to be part of this team as they grow. He is actually unplayable in the NBA playoffs because of his offense. On any team unless you’re Miami or Cleveland with have the squad missing.
Folks like me are worried the team is going to prioritize him getting minutes at the expense of more useful players.
If you go to "Jeremy shooting video" where he posted a video on X, you'd think otherwise. I just couldn't believe that part. It's almost like Spurs fans losing their minds over mediocrity, coupled with hard work. Again, it's just so weird.
Link: https://www.reddit.com/r/NBASpurs/comments/1cvs8c4/sochan_working_on_his_shot/
People mostly seem to be excited about his potential and that he is working on his biggest weakness. I'm not seeing anyone say that he was a great player or shooter now. I think it's reasonable for Spurs fans to be positive about a young player trying to improve in the offseason. I don't think that means people are overrating him.
He did make progress as a 3 point and free throw shooter in his 2nd year from what he showed as a rookie. I'm hoping he continues in the right direction.
Read all of the responses here, most seem to be rating him highly. Trade proposal threads also have him rated really high as well.
I like Sochan a lot. I'm worried that all the arguments are "it's not about shooting", "look at his defense", "intangibles", "you're dumb'.
On/off stats are meant to measure this type of impact. Jeremy looks worse in those metrics. Even if you look at them post pg-experiment it looks bad. For context: regular AND advanced stats say he was significantly worse than Zach Collins last year. When I saw this, I shouted, YOU DIDN'T WATCH THE GAMES, it might be, but it also might be that I watch Sochan with a much different attitude and eye, than I do Collins. The bricked shots, missed passes, bad rotations, blocked post floaters, no jump layups (he just needs reps! True, but we can't simply ignore the statistical signal).
Comparing him to other young players doesn't help either. Young guys who turn out well usually have some signal by now.
I think if anyone can turn it around it's Sochan, he's young, great attitude, there is time/room/hope for growth. But right now, by any measure, Sochan is bad.
There were playoff games on today bro. This is how you choose to spend your Sunday? This is elite level hating.
Well, the Spurs forum is kind of slow lmao.
Happy that the Pacers and Wolves won. Rooting for the Wolves.. although what Ant did was kind of unclassy at the end. Anyway, just thought I'd shake up the Spurs forum hahah.
He hasn't really been talked about much from what I've seen. Still a bit of a mystery and shows flashes. I think he deserves one more year to show more consistency.
He should start the season as a starter. But his leash should be short. This is a 40 game tryout to see if he’s a depth player or a starter. There’s no shame in it if he’s the former, but the team needs to be realistic. This was the big issue with the point guard experiment. Devoting that much attention to such a consequential plan, and doing it with a guy who shouldn’t just be penciled into the team’s future success…it was strange, to put it kindly. So now what…if you draft a shooting guard this year, do you just try the same thing again because why not
Just looking at the box score he has flashes of brilliance. He had some monster games last year. He needs to remain at the forward position I think we can all agree.
Malakai Flynn had 50 points or whatever. It happens a lot on bad teams where guys go on heaters because they have the green light and get the ball as much as they want in certain games.
It’s all just flashes for Sochan, which isn’t a great sign. He never string together a series of quality games.
That, I agree with. I'm still rooting for him. It just amazes me how much Spurs fans defend the guy when he really has not shown much. But hey, maybe they're bball geniuses.
I didn't think it is amazing to want your own players to succeed. I didn't know that's a foreign concept to have and definitely do not know it that you have to be a bball genius to understand that.
Compared to guys like Malaki, Julian, and Wesley, Jeremy actually shows most of the time that he can stand as a legitimate NBA player and isn't some two-way contract/g league caliber player. Now that isn't a high bar, sure, but just because he may do an ugly airball every so often, doesnt mean he's a bad player.
He does all the little things...Defensively, in rebounding, having a strong mentality, and having a great motor and hustle to his game. Once Pop moved him back to his normal position this year, I don't think I ever saw Jeremy do something stupid that cost us a game like malaki or keldon have. More times than not, he actually was the one nailing clutch shots when they mattered most and even helped steal a couple of wins for us.
Say what you want about Jeremy being inefficient offensively, but the scoreboard never affects how he plays or shoots. And I can only really say that about one other person on our team which is Wemby. This is a very important trait to have in a player. I don't even think Devin possesses this trait of being able to play the same even when the team is doing badly. Jeremy's pretty strong-minded and doesn't let things get to him like when teams go on runs. And that's a really good presence to have on a team. Now, I don't know if he'll be a starter for us for years to come, but I can definitely see him being here long term at least being part of our 2nd unit. He adds a lot to our team. It's just not stuff you see on a stat sheet or statistically.
What positive tools can he bring to the second unit, if let's say we draft a Risacher and Jeremy loses a starting spot midway into the season? Has there ever been a player with his skills that thrived into that secondary unit role? One can say Diaw... but let's be real, this is not even a comparison (if Jeremy becomes a Diaw, I will probably take a visit to Poland from the States hahah).
Frankly, I’d hope that our #9 overall pick is looking more like a legitimate nba-calliber player than a two-way caliber player two years into his nba career—you’re right that it’s not a very high bar. Where I fall is that I like Jeremy, but I don’t love him yet. In the games where he’s on, it seems that he finds ways to positively contribute to every single facet of the game. And then…there are just these 3-4 game stretches where you almost forget he’s even on the team. Jeremy can have all the intangibles we talk about, but at the end of the day games are won with tangible contributions. I feel that this year ahead of him is going to be a big one to determine whether he’s in SA for the next 12 years or the next 12 months.
G’damn. To fans in the modern NBA, apparently if they can’t shoot they have no value.
There is only one ball man. Who’s going to rebound? Box out? Who’s going to defend? Who’s going to cut? Who’s going to drive and collapse defenses? Who else consistently dives for loose balls? Who does the hustle plays? Who’s going to screen? Who’s going to sprint the floor? Who’s going to be a lob threat in the dunker spot? Who’s going to pick up 94ft to take time off a shot clock on the POA ball handler?
I know for a fact Sochan does all of these intangibles which Josh hart was getting praised and damn near invaluable for in the Knicks series and Sochan is 4 inches taller and only 20 years old with plenty of potential to get better.
Literally only player on the spurs right now who can play like that is manu. When mamu played sochan’s role comparably but couldn’t defend as good as Sochan. And he’s a free agent only lord knows if spurs bring him back.
And I can name you a number stellar defensive performances from Sochan on top players so to say his “defense doesn’t make up for it” at 20 years old when nobody else on the team can play his role imo is crazy as hell to say. No one on the team does all the “dirty work” at his size as effectively on spurs roster. Not Johnson, not Collins, not, Champagnie, Osman, literally not anyone else, does sochan’s role.
Also there were games last season that literally couldn’t have been won without sochan. Sochan was also one of our best shooters before all star break shooting 38% from 3 while being known as a “non shooter” coming into his rookie year.
Damn y’all come in absolutely clueless with no context behind stats and act like you are concerned. That’s “very pitiful.” What do you want him shooting more than Vassell or Wemby? What are we even doing here? What other team besides Boston, Pacers and OKC has everyone shooting threes?
Man is random ass sochan hate is annoying. He had a rough start to the season while playing out of position as a PG. We get it man. Move the hell on.
Sochan shot 33% from 3 before the all star break on almost entirely completely wide open shots because the defense ignores him beyond the 3 pt line
Also Hart’s shooting was very effective in big moments
If you’re watching the playoffs and think Sochan has a home on any of these teams, that’s why we have another Sochan thread cooking. Because it should be more clear than ever that he has to grow a ton. And he has less than a year to do it before decisions need made.
I'll give Jeremy the benefit of the doubt since he was given a tough hand last year. Instead of working on the things that might help him succeed they basically forced him to play PG and just told him "figure it out" on the fly.
Plus, most Spurs players developed really slowly, they just had the benefit of having a core vet to cover for them (Kawhi, Derrick, DJ, etc.). Plus, his defense is still the best im this team outside of Wemby so there's a lot to his game other than his shooting. Also he's like 20 years old, give him some time.
Obviously, If he doesn't improve his shot this year we'll have to start a conversation about his fit but I trust in the Spurs player development.
? Wtf is this stupidity.
I think you mistake supporting a second year player for "rating him". there are different opinions on him at different times from different people. You may even say he has fans. What's wrong with that?
I think you're a moron.
I think you’re acting like a Pollyanna who doesn’t want to confront the truth about a guy whose personality they like but is, so far, a very flawed and problematic player on the court.
(Btw I didn't downvote you hahah. We're all free to express an opinion lmao).
I don't care? Do people really pay attention to that shit lol. Do I get paid or something if people upvote my opinion?
Even for people who chase clout...what if your wrong? If most people on here are idiots then you're not really do anything worthwhile. Your just king idiot. congrats!! You should see if reddit will convert your upvote to actual currency...oh, they're just a multi billion dollar social media platform farming peoples opinions and content and have no intention of paying the peasants who do all the work. Cool sounds about right.
I think it's fine to be challenging and to be honest. You think it raises the bar more than anything and leads to more thoughtful post. I'm not always a dick lol.
I'm not Sochans biggest fan and I don't think it would take very much to upgrade the position he plays, but when he is not playing point guard he is fine, i guess. He just doesn't really do anything at a high level and you do want at least that out of a top 10 pick. I am extremely disappointed in his defense. Wings and guards go right around him like he isn't there, bigs go right over him like he isn't there. He gets exactly 0 credit for whatever his defensive metrics are with Wemby. I could dig up my dead grandmother, put her next to Wemby for 20 minutes, and her insert advanced defensive metric here would look just fine.
I think playing him at point guard destroyed his confidence. He might be a better player somewhere else but I can't imagine he ever amounts to much in a Spurs jersey. Or maybe he hangs around enough to be the guy standing next to Wemby while he does 90% of the work. It's worked for other players, could work for Sochan to.
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He was 20 bro cmon. He’s obviously gonna be good
my brother in christ he is 21 years old
Blows my mind how anyone can consistently watch Spurs basketball and somehow be down on Sochan.
I have learn not to criticize sochan on here because spurs fan lose their shit. I think he is overrated and a bench player at best.
I really hate Spurs fans sometimes.
Not really, he was a pretty raw prospect that had absolutely no shot. He does a lot of other things for the team but also hasn’t been as receptive to change as one would hope.
Most fan here I’ve seen are still on the fence, we know what he provides but getting to where we need him to be offensively a big question mark. However, that doesn’t mean he doesn’t help out the team in many other ways.
We can hope for the best while still knowing he has a long ways to go. He provides defense, energy, rebounding, good inside threat, and decent passing. All some things the team needs and they can work around his lack of shooting because he does everything else. I’ve seen a lot of people like him but I think most fans are pretty unbiased with who he is as a player and the future with the team.
I share your concerns on Sochan. The guy seems very likeable and a great teammate. But I don't think he's valuable enough to be part of the project. He can't shoot and he's undersized at the 4. His strength is his defense and his ability to guard multiple positions. But I don't think that's good enough. I would pass.
Get ready for the downvotes, my friend (I am, hahah).
That's fair. It's just my humble opinion. And I may be wrong.
I dont the front office will be interested in keeping him after next year unless something dramatic improves. Might end up completely out of the league.
He's definitely overrated by a lot of spurs fans imo. Until he isn't a big negative on offense like he is now, he just doesn't have much of a role on a good team. He has potential but even his defense isn't that great imo. He is good at guarding on the perimeter but he doesn't protect the rim at all