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Red vs Blue: The final episode.
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Another fun thing that I noticed is that since JD is now too old to voice Theta, they got Burnie's youngest son Finn to voice him. Thought that was cute.
that is super cute :). its like its passed along.
Watching this felt kind of surreal. There were some really awesome moments, but I think overall it left me wanting more? Obviously pacing was a huge issue. It's crazy how short this season is and nothing feels like it has room to breathe. I love the idea of Sarge's death and some of the scenes it led to with Grif and Simmons, but it unfortunately didn't have the impact I think it should've. I also feel like there are some logical stretches to explain stuff like how Doc somehow died saving Wash on Chorus. I also wish Tucker was actually in the season, and didn't only have one scene as himself which really doesn't offer any resolution. On the plus side, I love the Simmons development which has been sorely lacking. The idea of the Tex and Carolina fight was cool, and I adored the scene of Tex and Church in the memory unit together. That was perfect. Unfortunately many of the scenes that I should've connected with more were held back by things like Caboose's voice, or sometimes rough looking animation. I still enjoyed it, and I'm not sure how exactly you end this series, but I definitely wanted a little more!
Tex returning was definitely one of the best parts of the episode. Especially her line about how she's based off of the Blood Gulch crew's memories rather than Church's, making her able to finally win.
I think Sarge's death worked with the story the best. He always was the one willing to die for a cause. His death leads to Simmons becoming leader which is what he always wanted. To not be a sidekick. With Simmons as leader Griff was discharged. Something I don't think Sarge would ever do. His death had a major impact. And by saving Caboose he unknowingly saved the entire plan to bring back Tex.
I actually really liked caboose. It wasn’t just a Joel-impression, it was its own performance. And I found it really endearing and captured the heartfelt nature of caboose very well
His voice was very jarring at first when you're primed for Joel's delivery. A few lines I think stumbled but it gained momentum both as a performance and as normal for the viewer and I felt better about it by the end.
I don’t remember what happened to Wash on Chorus. It wasn’t when he was shot in the throat, right? What happened to him again?
He was shot in the throat in season 15 - the simulation. I don't think we saw what happened to him on Chorus. They all had to escape that room and I assume a lot went down off screen.
“Never say goodbye. If you don't say goodbye, then you aren't really gone, you just, aren't here right now”-carolina
they said goodbye 🥲
Imo, Tex and Church are off somewhere in the AI afterlife🥲
I have so many thoughts so here's my scattershot of them. All my critiques can be excused by RT dying and the team working on a much lower budget.
This felt like a full 180 minutes worth of ideas condensed into 80 minutes. The long comedy bits like the work from home security team were funny, and in a longer season they wouldn't be so put of place. But when we're racing to the end on a reduced timetable I wish they gave us more character moments
The Wash storyline REEKS of this. It feels like in a longer season this would've been given alot more focus and it tied into the main narrative somehow. But instead in just served as random cutaway that got Wash to the final battle, instead of him just being with the team like he should have been. It felt like they were working around Sharrons tight schedule.
Like Tucker being the Meta would've been such a cool idea for a full 3 season arc back in the golden era, but for what we got in this I enjoyed it.
as a consequence of the reduced runtime and possible VA disputes and scheduling conflicts, I couldn't help but feel the lack of Wash, Carolina and ESPECIALLY Donut this time around.
ThatTex moment of "I'm based on THEIR memories" moment is an all time great. Not just because they got Kathleen back (I'm shocked btw) but also because it perfectly completes Texs arc after all this time. She finally gets to be more than what she was made from. It's beautifully. And that last moment where she calls herself Alison Church. I cried
Does anyone else feel like the "best throw ever, of all time" moment at the end was a scene written for Donut but Dan couldn't make it back so they just had Simmons do it?
Sarge is my favorite characterso his death was predictable but really sad. One missed opportunity they had with that though was calling back to the S1 scene where Sarge told Church he wanted to tell Grif he was his son when he was dying as one last attempt to mess with him. But I get why they didn't do it. Sarges gravestone at Blood Gulch was beautifully somber
I also feel like Junior should've at least come back in some way. They used CG elements all over that final fight and would've loved to see him come back to save his dad.
Idk, in the end, it's a nice little send-off to these characters I've loved for years. But it was just too short and i kept asking myself why certain characters werent there. I can't blame them, because, ya know, the company died. But it doesn't replace season 13 as the perfect end for me, this is just a nice little nostalgic trip down memory lane one last time instead of an actual full season imo.
It’s even referencing back to donut when Carolina says Simmons has a really good arm.
Where is Donut tho?
There's a one off line where they mention him being an admiral
As far as I know most of this season was done before the company died. The script and all was completely done before roosterteeth had any hint of going under. It was said no body knew about the shut down till a few days before
I’ve always been confused on Junior. Didn’t he die with Tex when Andy blew up the pelican?
But then later Tucker has a picture of Junior on a basketball team. It always feels like I’ve missed something on each watch through.
It was a little weird between season 5 and 6. Season 5 we saw an explosion and what looked like smithereens. But season 6 recording implies the pelican was crash landing in Valhalla when Washington found it.
in S6 when they listen to the the ship's crash recording, you can hear Sheila say doors opening or something and Tex yelling "Where are they going?!" implying the green elite and Junior jumped out before the ship crashed.
Not being tuned into all the development, I've seen a few people say they are surprised they got Kathleen back. Was there a story there?
This was like a decade ago, but Kathleen left the company on bad terms because she said Burnies new gf only got the positions she did in the company because she slept with the boss. Really gross stuff but nothing more than interpersonal beef.
It felt like something they wouldn't hash out but they did thankfully.
This is what I was saying. I always see stuff like this where it felt like fleshed out ideas and concepts but rushed into like only a shorter times pan than what they have for
Everything you said, FINALLY someone gets it.
I enjoyed it all too but damn am I sad about what happened. I would've loved a full 3 season arc.
To me this season felt like it was a Simulation. Church says as much "I don't think I got the voice right". I think they did it this way so if you like the S17 ending thats your canon ending. If not Here is this one
I think it was a great love song and send off to RvB, and there were enough nuggets of weirdness that you can say it’s a simulation and not canon, or can make it canon.
Things like Admiral Donut (mentioned by Grey at 27:25), Church saying he got Caboose’s voice wrong, Griff leaving, etc. can be chalked up to this is a simulation if you want to.
Same with saying it is the true ending and S15 - S18 were simulations.
At the end of the day, RvB is over, it was fun, it was a fun, yet not great final season, and as Griff said “I don’t know why we are here, but I’m glad I’m here with you”
I’m glad I got to experience and be apart of the RvB community my Entire life.
Could definitely still be one because Epsilon was being sus when Simmons questioned if they were a simulation and I feel like that exchange was thrown in just in case people wanted to interpret it as such
I feel like it's a simulation that fits closest to the reality the reds and blues would face, because it feels a lot more grounded than the simulations we've seen, but it still borrows from those simulations. If it was not a simulation your points would be contradicted
But it being the closest is what makes it the most enjoyable
I think this could be a scenario where there actually thousands of endings. This is just one of many.
So what ever you want to be cannon is. Even if it's not the show showed us.
First trailer also implied season 17 just a simulation. I guess the real canon ending was season 13. Ah well
I think it’s up to the viewer. Everything Post S13 may be a simulation, or just some of it.
It’s written in a way where it could be up to the viewer.
When Epsilon showed his simulations in the episode, he showed the ALL the past seasons.
Blood Gulch ended with multiple endings where the audience picked their personal favorite, and it makes sense for Burnie to do that again, without saying anything.
S13, S17, S19 are all satisfying endings to me, and you can take any of them. I’m taking S17 as my canon ending with 19 being another simulation like much of S14 and S18
I agree. I didn't expect many others to prefer Season 17 as a canon ending so I'm glad it's not just me.
Season 17 is the PERFECT ending for me.
They went through everything and helped each other.
This wasn’t the best season of RVB, but it really did finish me off.
Bow chicka bow wow
Bow chika bye now
“Bow chicka bye now” being the last line in the series is fantastic
it is. but also that line shouldn't have made me as sad as it did :(. I'm gonna miss it.
Caboose and Grifs exchange caught me unexpectedly
Glad we got the last line since he was barely a character in the thing itself
I think Tucker and Donut might have received reduced roles since they got to mainline the other later seasons for the most part. Though Tuckers was also partially just necessity from making him in the Meta suit into the villain.
That line hurt me in ways I didnt know it could 😭😭😭
Gentlemen, looks like this is it.
Sir, it's been an honor
"TODAY, IS A GOOD DAY TO DIE!!!"
-Sarge
FOR OUR ANCESTORS ANCESTORS! ATTTTTAAAAACKK!
I wish he would've said this line actually
Si muero, asegúrense de que mis piezas sean recicladas.
I love you too, Lopez.
>!Kinda wish they showed what happened after the end of S13 to explain what happened to Wash, how Doc died and where Donut is
Donut apparently is an Admiral on Chorus. Dr. Grey mentioned to Wash she’d tell Admiral Donut about the Meta. But I’m a bit disappointed about the lack of Donut.
They were probably gonna explain that if Restoration was a season, but had to condense it (like a few other things).
Oh, well.
I think the thing to take away from the entire series is that there's a time to let go.
The Director couldn't let go of Allison and dragged everyone around him through the dirt in the process. Chasing ghosts. Caboose couldn't let go of Church, and ends up miserable throughout most of the series trying to bring him back. Carolina couldn't let go of her spot as the best throughout seasons 9/10 and nearly died for it.
At the end of everything the only way anybody got closure was to destroy the memory unit with all the AI inside it. To let go of any chance of bringing back Church, Tex, Allison, Epsilon.
And now it's unfortunately time for us to say good-bye to Rooster Teeth and Red vs Blue. As much as we hate goodbyes.
Such a good point
Why are we here?
To be there for one another, and to learn to let go
The teleporter bit was probably my favourite part
I’m saying this jokingly but I think Burnie might hate Matt because he killed off both of his characters. Which is really saying something because he left caboose alive. /s
Killing of Caboose would be like killing off a puppy
Maybe if the puppy team killed you with your own tank.
idk for a minute there. well for several different occasions where minutes happened I thought he wasn't gonna make it.
What actually happened to Lopez, did they just leave him at the new red base or did I miss something??
I think that’s the implication. I wish they would’ve at least thrown a line for him and Sheila and say something like “it’s not their fight because they’re on robot team” or something.
I'm really sad they couldn't get Lee Eddy back as four seven niner. She's always been one of my favorite characters.
On the other hand, I'm glad they got Kathleen back as Tex one last time. I was skeptical of the possibility given they parted on poor terms. But a final episode just wouldn't be complete without Tex to round everything off.
I never knew all the details of the hard separations between Kathleen or Joel but I guess it's safe to say whatever happened with Joel was just too bad for him to come back?
Kathleen made a bunch of twitter posts saying that younger women in the company (it's never been explicitly confirmed but common belief is it was aimed at Barbara) were given better positions/opportunities because they were young women. Whereas she, an older woman who had believed and supported the company since the start was not considered. They never gave an official reason why they stopped associating with her but this was likely a factor
Joel had always been a conspiracy guy, but in the early days it was mostly harmless stuff like "put all your money in gold", later on he fell into more dangerous ones, your standard "the government is really an evil entity" stuff. My memory is a bit fuzzy on the specifics but iirc he was having political disagreements with Gavin and tweeted "I hope somebody breaks into Gavin's house so he learns something about gun control", and then a few days later somebody did break into his house while Gavin/Meg were home. But again, no public reason was ever given for his firing, there was likely internal issues we aren't aware of.
Donut only getting a single line was disheartening but I loved it
Yeah. The whole time, I was upset because I had come to terms that he wouldn't be in it, but then BOOM! Hilarious.
Why wasn't donut in the season more?
I'm not sure. I'm wondering if it was scheduling issues
I enjoyed it. It wasn’t perfect. Not even close. But it was a fun ride, and I really enjoyed it. It was a throw away line, but epsilon telling other timelines they were real, means that this is just one of many possible ending.
I don’t see this as a true ending. I see it just as one of the simulations. And that’s great. I’d rather RVB have no real definitive ending. It means that people can choose how they personally believe the Reds and Blues stories should conclude.
All that being said, it was nice to see Tex again. Loved that there’s a timeline where Tex and Church get a happy ending, Simmons gets the leadership position he’s always wanted and grif get to go home. It was sad seeing Sarge die, and even sadder we never learned his real name /j.
I love these idiots so much, and I’m really going to miss them all.
Oh also ending the show with Vale Deah was great. I believe it was the credit song for Season 1, so this was perfect.
We've always known his real name.
Is it Sarge?
You need a mandarin keyboard and an emoji for the 5th letter, sooooo.....
It was okay. For an ending, I am fine with it. It was a bit poorly paced and could've done with more runtime, but as an ending to Red vs. Blue I feel satisfied.
Honk chicka blarg blarg
Considering Doc's history with the Blood Gulch crew, it's honestly perfectly in character that none of them remember Doc.
I know, but it made it even more sad.
He wasn't there for half of Chorus, so it makes sense barely anybody would remember...