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>> do you have an invention idea, but don't know what to do next collin venn help today. they can help you get started with your idea called now 807, 100020 well, tonight on a special edition of laura coates live, michael cohen's former attorney, lanny davis, is here with us in studio. >> does he think cohen kim with dan, what's coming for him on the stand? >> and we've got anthony scaramucci, who will join us later in this hour. >> his name was invoked in court today and we'll ask him about that moment and the political cavalry, the dark trump has called it. >> good evening. i'm laura coates alongside abby phillip right here in dc, and we do coordinate our outfits intentionally for you after 11:00. >> the question also is michael cohen motivated by redemption or revenge? >> that's a choice a jury is going to have to answer and be presented with the prosecution is asking the jury to look past all and i mean, all of cohen's

many lies and ms and to believe that their star witness, when he says that trump not only directed him to keep an alleged sex scandal quiet, but also new of a bogus plan to disguise payments to reimburse him cohen reference a february 2017 white house oval office meeting. and this photo, the jury was told was taken, right afterward from the transcript cohen says, quote, so i was sitting with president trump and he asked me if i was okay. he asked me if i needed money and i said no all good. >> he said because i can go check and i said no. i said i'm okay. he said, i'm all right. just make sure you deal with alan question de anything about what would be forthcoming to you? cohen responded, yes, it would be a check for january and february now, the defense, they took the gloves off the very second that they got michael cohen and cross-examination. seriously, this was the first question todd blanche asks, you went on

tiktok and called me a crying little. didn't you? cohen responds, sounds like something i would say. then later on, blanche asked cohen some pretty direct questions about his feelings about his former boss. lange asks, i'm just asking you to say yes or no. do you want president trump to get convicted in this case? cohen? sure. >> blanche, you referred to president trump as a borussia cartoon massage dentist, didn't you? cohen. >> sounds like something i woululd say blanche. you think you might have said, i truly hope that this man ends upn prison. is that exact? cohen sounds like my language on may a culpa. >> so that's the new version of yes. sounds like what i would actually say. well, cohen's plan, of course, is to keep calm and carry sorry on when he returns to stand on thursday, remember there's no court on wednesdays. >> but as mike tyson famously said, everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth joining us. >> now, michael cohen's friend and former lawyer, lanny davis,

he prep cohen for a 2019 congressional hearing. >> lanny. >> first of all, you and i spoke this early this morning on sirius xm, talking about what to expect. and at that time, you were pretty critical about the fact that you thought that it seemed like michael cohen was on the defense? he was not just the witness. he was the defendant and that they were going after him. they did just that well, they changed the subject to what the case is about the cases about whether or not mr. trump for political motives decided to pay stormy daniels to prevent her from revealing the affair and the political motives makes it a crime hush money alone is not a crime. >> there's been so much evidence besides michael cohen are political motive starting with david pecker, including hope hicks and several other witnesses. so there's evidence that it was a political crime the federal prosecutors called it a political crime. and michael cohen went to jail for that. federal prosecutors said that individual one, otherwise known as donald i'll trump

directed. that's the federal prosecutors who worked for the trump administration used the word directed. so when michael cohen says anything and the whole pattern for the rest of his testimony, you're going to see wraps up what we've previously seen in documents witnesses, text messages, some of them from trump loyalists like oh pick, where it was. >> the worst pre crap collaboration, but i do want to know, i mean he was very calm. he was very measured. unite you were in court yesterday about this very point. this is not the michael cohen people are accustomed to seeing on the airwaves is that why they started out trying to antagonize them on the cross. >> i'm sure they're trying to antagonize them, but let me remind you that this is his third rodeo. third time. the first time was on television live under oath before congress with the republicans, jim jordan, end mark meadows, future chief of staff. but the sayyed behind and then that said liar, liar, pants on fire for the next eight hours or they did was call him a liar.

and i sat behind him. you may see me once and when i heard his tone going up, we had a little signal. i would touch his back. so i wasn't there today. it sounds like somebody was naming me. and just as well, i wasn't there but michael was resolved on mother's day night. we talked i have to admit and he said, i'm going to stay calm just as i did before the congressional committee, but i don't have to sometimes only to tell you i have to i have to add an addendum note of what you just sad lanny, because the crime here is not just that it was made. the payments were made for political purposes, but that the records were falsified and that trump either knew about it or directed it and that's the part where it becomes michael cohen's word. against. well, maybe not donald charles, but they're going to impeach his credibility on that very issue and so that explains why prosecutors are going at this issue of how can you trust that michael cohen is really reformed. i want to read a

little bit of what he said about why he changed his mind about trump. he said my family, my wife, my daughter, my son all said to me, why are you holding onto this loyalty? what are you doing? we're supposed to be your first loyalty you were there for some of this when it was happening? why should the jury by that and not by the idea that, hey, he turned on trump and he made $3.4 million. well, first of all, my decision to represent michael and put them in front of a congressional committee was all about whether he would be believable he persuaded me that he was contrite because he was willing to say in public on television, i'm ashamed of what i did and i saw his family and they're reaction that it was time for him to tell the truth and stop lying for donald trump? >> so he had to turn his life in a different direction. whether the jury believes it's sincere because he's still feels anger towards donald trump and whether they say, yeah, i can get why he's angry. that's gonna be an issue for

the jury, but i am telling you that there is a part of our american judicial system we're pretty bad people and i wouldn't say michael is bad, but people have made a lot of mistakes. some of them is organized crime or the top witnesses for the prosecutors and they're told the story of truth. and there have to be believed despite their prior misty, i asked you about his decision to say i'm not sure sounds like me might have been me. those kinds of answers you weren't there in court today. >> but was that the right choice to make in terms of how he answered those two pretty direct questions about things that he said on social media and elsewhere. >> so it was all due respect. your paid to do what you do to ask a question like that. and as a professional question i take no objection. i'm not going to second guess somebody under that kind of pressure in the beginning of his testimony. and judge, those kind of answers, what i prefer them to say, yes or no. of course, i'm a lawyer. but when he testified

for eight hours in front of the worst kind of attacks, personal attacks on his family and his truth by congressional republicans he held up pretty good. so i think those answers with all due respect over a period of time. you got pretty good grades for today staying on a level playing field and not playing with the facts and telling the truth. >> well, you know, jean, i'm that point. i want to bring in our panel. we've got a great panel of people here at talking about all these issues. got lottery fluorescent reporter for the washington post, devlin barrett's here, cnn legal analyst, former deputies isn't attorney general feel instead of affairs, elliot williams, former federal prosecutors elise admins, adamson, and also gene rossi is here as well it's interesting to think about all of this. and by the way, gene represented keith davidson at one point as well. >> let me ask you about this because at debbie's point of the way he answered questions, they really want to attack michael cohen's credibility. they want to suggest that as my friend joe joey jackson said, it's about rap we know

revenge. it's about trying to antagonize, about trying to figure with the p waves. but you know what it was a good answer. he said, oh point of this is that he was trying to suggest that the entirety of the defense has to be don't believe this guy. he only wants to see trump go down. >> but the prosecution, they got a freeze it in time and say that's how he feels now the question is whether he falsified documents then well, here's here's how i would approach cross-examination. >> i'll get to the direct exam in a second mr. blanche blue and opportunities start off their across with going after his fidelity to the oath he lie before a us district judge under oath. and instead of focusing at the beginning on the oath, he focuses on some comment that he made about todd blanche when i was a prosecutor and eve as a defense attorney, you never make the case about yourself that's jagged said that the judge criticize met the sidebar for that very thing. >> absolutely so i would think of a three barreled shotgun.

the first merrill has your don't have a fidelity to the oath. the second is you have prejudice. you don't just hate donald trump. you despise him. and the third, and you never have this trilogy with a witness. the third is he made a lot of money hating trump and being a liar. so that's the, those are the chapters i would focus on but where the rubber meets the road in this case is in the direct exam of michael cohen. he for the first time, the prosecutors put on evidence that donald trump was explained why we're doing the souffle invoices. he was explaining why we have these checks. that's the only direct evidence in a corroboration is going to save the day because the corroboration supports what michael cohen says, at least you've been phenomenal trial lawyer from my own armada as us attorney's office in dc. and i wonder how you would have

approached this because as genes talking about the way todd blanche came out to attack on cross, he didn't talk about laying foundationally reasons. that's why he was biased against trump. it was about todd blanche. why do you think they did that? >> yeah. i think that it was to hook the jury. my initial impression was it was a shock value, right michael cohen had been very strong on direct he had just provided a very compelling narrative as to why he was being truthful and why he could be believed. he was a changed man. >> and i think that was a defense tactic to just remind the jury who are really talking about this is michael collins. >> he has vitriol. he he's he's a mean person. he's a jerk. we heard somebody describe him as a jerk, right? it also woke them up because he's he's starting with a cuss word. so while i agree with gene, that ultimately they

need to discredit his entire account and they need to ticulate, go through the account of the conversation where trump ultimately directed this payment. i can also understand why the defense started the way they did because they thought it was going to be strong. no, there's something to be said for waking the jury up because this, goes on a long time and michael cohen is so even keel that it is the prosecution's case with him was very methodical. it was very plotting. and then this happens. and then finally there's a sidebar yesterday, there was none of that happening. so definitely do you think that that was affected? but then the other part of it is by the time the defense gets to michael cohen they start out with the shock value, but then do they start prosecuting their case? or it is todd blanche kind of meandering around in this timeline to try to make the at michael cohen, where he can so i'm of school elie and i've talked about this before. >> i'm of the school where i think clock management is incredibly important in trials.

and i think i think blanche might've been doing some clock management today because yes, he wants a shock value. yes, he wants to sort of like, let's remember who you are a little bit for the jury and by all accounts, the jury was very keyed in the moment todd blanche walks up to the podium. i don't think he actually needed that shock value. i think this jury has shown it's right on top of this but i do think they're big shot comes to on thursday. they want to wear him down. they want to tire him out. they want to make him snarl the way he is snarled for so many years for trump and even if he doesn't snarl, he could have a problem because to your point, all those answers about like, well, i'm not sure. did i i say that two months ago, the man is recounting in detail conversations from eight years ago, and he suddenly has a hard time remembering what he himself said two months ago that's not a great look over a long period of time. i think witnesses can get away with a little of that. i don't think he can get away with a lot of that.

>> do you have a sharpie because you want to remind the audience that donald trump's science is checked sharpie, is that why you have this today? >> how many years that we've been doing this together like literally, i can't recall right now i bet those years we've been doing this together. how many times have you seen that the shrubbery? literally every time it is my thing, like donald trump. >> and time brett cat and you do make the joke and brett kavanaugh is another sharpie user as well fungi. so an alternative theory about the cross-examination, which is that attorneys don't need to finish their argument when questioning of witness, they can lead the witness up to the point that leaves an open question where were you on monday? >> where are you on tuesday? where were you on wednesday? and then stop right there. and in your closing argument, you say, therefore, on thursday, this is where the witness was, right? i think what they might have been doing is leaving some breadcrumbs that they can tire from their closing argument, but but, but to devlin's point, there are still many areas in which they can quite aggressively attack the witness and even just running down to let any of the people that he

has been found to lie to sir, did you lie to your wife? yes. did you lie to the irs? yes. did you lie to congress? yes. are you maybe line to this jury net low hold on. there. and they can quite effectively with just a matter of questions, really undermine the woman ask you the lanny, their arguments are pretty strong as suggested, they're trying to say, look, they want to take away this facade of a calm the person you're talking about motivated by the fact that you thought he was a changed man. does he have to be a changed man to be an effective way is the prosecution here no, he just has to be himself and he has fundamentally changed. >> and i said to you that for a whole de in front of congress, he was unrecognizable. he answered questions that were quite provocative. he was called all sorts of names jim jordan wasn't exactly civil with them and he kept his calm. i also would repeat to my fellow lawyers here, i sat for two years with the prosecutors as they presented and constructed a case that didn't require michael cohen to testify if he wasn't on the

witness. dan, the documents show that there was a campaign motive pecker, and i hope hicks alone and the issue of whether these were attorney's fees or reimbursements was resolved by rudy giuliani on national television. well, of course, they were reimbursed you don't need michael cohen for either of those elements of the crime, the booking of the charge, michael cohen was in there when they were booked falsely as legal expenses. of course, they weren't legal expenses, but don't forget weisselberg's handwritten notes that proved they were not legal expenses. they were trued up and divided by 12, had nothing to do with legal expenses. >> you having about last seconds, lanny, that might that allen weisselberg's handwriting alone is enough to convict a witness to convict the defendant. pardon me? and i just think the notion that your points while your points are well taken, but the notion that documents are sufficient is simply not, not, not something i can agree with. i thank the documents are incredibly they'd only lie is my again, you can't cross-examine

documents and the dog is incredible. we persuades me, particularly that allen weisselberg one, but the person who was in the room is probably the most compelling piece of evidence you can have. and how much the jury trust that person will determine whether it rises or flight. i gotta say this. i have convicted people would just documents by the way, i'm sure tax cases but what's a unique about this case is, you have documents common sense, you have documents that suggest that donald trump knew what was going on. just the documents themselves. but elliott's absolutely right. you need an editorial person to explain why a certain dark commit was done this way why we signed it this way, and where the rubber meets the road, it goes back to what i said five minutes ago. if the jury believes that donald trump had a conversation with allen weisselberg and michael cohen about the purpose of these invoices he's guilty in a new york minute, if they don't believe them than we could have

a hung jury really quick. there's i agree with your point to your point. there's a big difference between common sense and reasonable doubt. and i thank the case has been proven to common sense spectacularly, these questions about how much do we trust the witness, how much we trust the documents, but how much do we try? that's what we're hearing is where reasonable doubt comes in and that's why, no matter what the strength of the evidence is here, there are enough questions that at least a reasonable jury ought to at least say, wait a second. i don't know. crime carletti davis if you fall asleep at night and there's no snow on the ground and you wake up in the morning and there's snow on the ground. this jury will convict beyond a reasonable doubt, the evidence here is so strong for that inference that i think it's a strong case. i don't have my glasses on, but there has to be as kinds of questions in which my perception of it might be tamed. >> well, your sharpie he does the hopper. >> okay. hold down the sharpie invites the critique, but it laid is, i'm just asking me. thank you. so. much. everyone stands and by we've got a lot

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chef's kiss. more at jones road beauty.com this is cnn the world's news so here's a question. if you were given, i don't know a bunch of insults that you said again, some and that someone was just couple of feet away, what it throw you off your game. exactly what the defense was trying to do when it came to michael cohen todd blanche, trying to trigger the former attorney for donald on trump by using his own words against him. i'm here just a bit of a sampling of some of the things that he presented to them. >> quote, people will not be satisfied until this man is sitting inside the cell. >> another quote, he goes right into that little cage, which is where he belongs in an f and cage like an animal chito dusted cartoon villain dictator

douche bag. >> i mean, cohen didn't actually take the bait appearing very calm on the stand as for trump's demeanor. >> well, the photos before courts started to every day are any indication you think he would be all glares and you think the most intense of those glares would be reserved for his nemesis? but trump had his eyes closed for a lot of cohen's testimony, although he did look at them during a few key moments, i want to bring in someone who was inside the courtroom today, shane jacobs, federal courts and law enforcement reporter for the washington post j. so glad to see you if the cross we've all been waiting for this, essentially that was the witness are waiting for it now it's the the trump team versus michael cohen. tell me from your vantage point, what was your impression of the way michael cohen was testifying and also how he was received on direct examination. michael cohen did is absolutely best absolute best job of being professional of coming across as competent and calm, sort of

the opposite of the public persona we all know of him on cross-examination todd blanche tried to chip away at that image that he had successfully presented to the jury over the last de and-a-half it's started to probably plan some seeds and the jury's minds he immaturity of the sum of the tweets and some of the messages and some of the public comments that blanche is going to keep presenting the jury for at least another day that's a big part of michael cohen's characters, a big part of the persona that we've all come to know after over the past eight years so, same token though, shayna, right? i mean, some of how people have described are perceived. the former president has been similarly the idea of it comes down to that school blast play around. i know you are, but what am i? discussions

that are happening? i do wonder towards him that's that's playing with the jury. did you get a sense that there were any audible reactions or anything that would indicate that the jury is is showing how they feel about any of this they've they've been pretty stoic they've been absolutely stoic. >> they're extremely professional and business like and cool throughout this process. they're paying attention constantly. none of them, occasionally some of them prize wander a little bit around the room, but they're not bored there. some of them are taking those, some of them are taking notes diligently they are just paying attention and absorbing absolutely everything. and i think cross-examination was especially captivating and it's only just the beginning, but they were starting to see this tension on ravel between between cohen and todd blanche. so it's only going to grow and i'm sure they're only going to be more absorbed in the testimony thursday it does seem in some respects that trump was

more animated while he was listening to stormy daniels testimony. >> i remember being in watching and seeing that he would be touching or hitting. it was hearing that arm of his counsel talking to his attorneys to have them object. there was a different comparison point. these days, right is there any idea of how he presented this time around der and cohen testimony? >> i mean, some of us noticed he was doing the thing where he's closing his eyes again and as far as i can tell, when he's doing that, he's not really sleeping, he's just relaxing and, taking in what he's hearing. so there was definitely some of that today and then other times i think he was watching the screen right right on the defense table with a better image of cohen that he then he might actually have himself at the defense table. it's sort of the witness eat is cut off by an angle on the back bench. so he's watching the screen in front of them and

he's he's listening. i mean, i can't swear that he's watching constantly and watching very intently, but he's listening to every word really quick to the judge. i understand that some point was getting a little bit annoyed with the way the cross was going, even having a sidebar telling defense counsel asked me a question, why are you making this about yourself when he was leading off questions about what michael cohen said about him, what was the judge like today? >> the judge did not show any outward frustration with blanche or anyone else. i mean, he's keeping he's running a very smooth show trump has not been scolded that we're aware of since that one time either i guess it was last week but judge merchan is very cool. he's not showing any favoritism. i'm sure the defense would argue that they are selectively school more

regularly than the other side is, but he does not lose his temper and if he ever gets to the point where he's about to lose his temper, he calls a sidebar, recalls a break, and that's just how it's been throughout including today well, that's an important point. >> the jury is the factfinder, and it's their ultimate conclusion. through their eyes, not through the lens of the judge. this is really fascinating to have you in the quorum. thank you so much for bringing us the latest shannon jacobs. thank you thank you and up ahead, trump hauling some of his closest allies to the courtroom and now they're going in front of the cameras. anthony scaramucci is here to run through trump's game plan and add to respond to his own name being dropped in court today well humpty dumpty, does

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and spinning. take back control with lipo flavanoid. >> this is a secret war. secrets and spies premier sunday, june 2, attempt bomb cnn donald trump's allies were out in force today at the courthouse in downtown manhattan. speaker of the house, mike johnson making an appearance as well. north dakota governor doug burgum was there too, as well as other former as well as other former gop presidential candidates like vivek ramaswamy. and they all want want you to know one thing about why they're there. listen this is a man who has clearly on a mission for personal revenge and who is widely known as a witness who has trouble with the truth. >> he is someone who has a history of perjury. >> the star witness is a sheryl perjure. >> you haven't guy who has been a per in the past that is now saying he falsified business records. >> what is the crime that donald trump committed?

>> this thing is a farce. >> we were in there all morning, michael cohen pulling basically sat there and said, yeah, he didn't boys legal expenses, michael cohen, who has no credibility, who has pushed himself multiple times, who has zero integrity, has actually admitted to defrauding the trump organization all these republicans doing what donald trump can't do, which is attack his witness, michael cohen calling the trial a sham, even attacking one of their favorite targets, the judge's daughter also covered by the gag order so what does trump think about all of it i do have a lot of surrogates and they are seeking very beautifully. they come from a washington and they're highly this is the greatest scam ever seen i want to bring in anthony scaramucci. >> he's the former trump white house communications director. i'd author of from wall street to the white house and bak, the founder and managing partner of skybridge capital as well. so anthony, i have to give you

credit where it's due. take a look at this picture. you said yesterday when we talked, but they were all just mimicking donald trump today. they showed up actually dressed like him in the same outfit. >> i mean this is really going even far and beyond for the house speaker to show up there as well it's not enough though. >> i mean, that's the thing. i mean, i'd just give a message those guys i know they watch you guys gotta shave your faces it's not enough. he had a yellow tie on. you guys had red ties and he always moves the goalpost on people and so you're you think you're going ten for ten for trump, but you gotta go 13 for ten for donald trump. so i'm just letting you guys know you're coming up short for mr. trump and there's really nothing. you can do about it. there's no way to address. does no hand movements. there's really nothing that you're going to do that's going to actually pleased the guy because he's

a, he's a bottomless pit and you know, you're going to face the music that everyone else has faced being in his orbit. and i think that's the big message, but like i said last night, they're going to mime him because they think that that's a way to pay homage to their leader and its it's a sad thing and i just want to point out one last thing. these are people that were complaining about barack obama not wearing a jacket in the oval office that he undignified the presidency by not wearing a jacket now they're standing outside the courtroom supporting this guy who's an open sewer pipe of lies corruptions, bad behavior, lack of christianity, et cetera. so i hope somebody gets them to a microphone and ask him to reconcile all that that hypocrisy, including someone like doug burgum, for example, who used to say that he

wouldn't associate with someone like donald trump now, on the way to court today, apparently, anthony in the car, vivek ramaswamy and speaker johnson it was on with donald trump. and he was bragging to both of them that he was getting more media coverage from this trial than he would otherwise get on the campaign trail, i guess that might explain why he's not really on the campaign trail all that much. but do you think that that fundamentally is the play here too? don't bother campaigning, just have these stunts outside of the courthouse well, listen, there's some truth to that. >> remember, mr. trump likes money and he likes attention and depending on the day those go from one to two. but the most astonishing thing to me is todd bergan because i saw him last fall at senator ron, these soiree, he gave the breakfast speech, making a case to what i would describe as non maga

republicans. and just see him flip like that. and to see him with this slight crazy level of sick of fancy and it's a successful guy. i mean, he doesn't need to be doing this. so again, someone should get to him and just say, hey, what is, what is this all about? >> you? i want to be the vice president united states. you were with governor romney, your senator romney last five tim scott, same thing. so i can't figure these guys out. remember, in 2016 we were searching around. we made a lot of mistakes myself included. >> i thought i was a loyal republican by supporting donald trump but you now have four years of his presidency. and the aftermath of his presidency, what he's doing in his post-presidency by knock and seeding, crafting this big election lie. >> and you guys are all sitting there supporting this and so it's like a disgusting thing. i hope at some point when the fever breaks, these guys will

be like the soldiers in the wizard revise ab, like after the water got thrown on the wedge and she melt that. i hope you remember what the soldiers that they like apologize to dorothy so i hope these guys is some point when the fever breaks, they look around and say, wow we really wreck the republican party for this strange, bizarre guy. and we're sorry about that. let's go back to rebuilding the country and restoring some type of saturday to this party. >> folks have been waiting for that moment for about eight years now and it has yet to come i do want to get to where you came up in the testimony today. here's the exchange between todd blanche, and michael cohen. blanche says, you, we're very much looking in the fall of 2019 for a way to get your sentence reduced correct. cohen says, yes, sir. and you had visitors who came to see you asked blanche cone says yes. do you know something? and one by the name of anthony scaramucci, cohen says, i do blanche, did he come visit you in october 2019 cohen? he came to visit. i

don't know exactly when blanche and he commented and he said you were trying to figure out a way to get out of prison early, right? >> cohen? no response. blanche, you talk to him about that, right? cohen says sounds correct. what do you remember about that exchange? do you think it was relevant even for it to be brought up today? >> yeah. well, i understand why blanche did that. it's really not relevant. listen, you know, when your friends are in trouble, i think it's a very important lesson for everybody you run towards your friends when they're in trouble. you don't run away from your friends. and so i grew up in a neighborhood. so of course i have visited prisons before. i visited michael cohen and i visited him twice actually, so if mr. pledge wants to know that i went to visit them in february of 2019 and then again in october of 2019. and i brought the signals and the fives to buy him stuff out of the vending machine of course,

he wanted his sentence reduced. i had no power to reduce his sentence. we could have talked about that and the two-and-a-half-hour discussion that we had for there was absolutely no relevancy to the case. i think what he was trying to say is, hey, this guy is a criminal. is a crafty criminal. i was trying to shorten his sentence i'll tell you the person that'll be trying to shorten their sentence is donald trump. if he gets convicted and actually would have to go to jail over something like this. and so the question is, who's going to visit trump when he's in jail? i guess these guys outside i don't know what the there'll be wearing. i mean, i guess i can go an orange or something like that when they visit trump if he ends up going to jail. but i think it's important for people to understand that michael cohen is a redeemed guy. abbey, he has gone through the gauntlet. he came with the receipts the last two days to explain the facts of the case i think the jury knows that. >> all right. anthony scaramucci. good to see you.

thanks for joining us. >> good beer and our panel is back with us here in the studio along with share michael singleton and ellen cia johnson so i mean, lindsay trump is basically expecting the public to ignore this case. >> and the truth is they might be ignoring this case so is he ultimately winning that messaging more than i don't know if he's necessarily winning, but to your point of ignoring the case, let me take off my democratic strategists hadn't put on a media professional hat. people love scandal and chaos and they aren't seeing this because quite frankly, we're talking about what's happening in the courtroom versus them seeing what's actually happening in the courtroom. and i don't think that's persuading a lot of voters who are on the fence. now, i will say, i do think conviction of course, will persuade voters, but for him to be what we thought would be him sitting slumped over in the courtroom that contrasts we saw

that a week ago. i think folks have kind of moved on. they want something else and so it will be interesting to see how democrats tried to push through the noise in order to get our message across. but, his tactics have or lack thereof have actually helped him and now he's got his i guess avengers we could call them the republican vendors. i don't know what that picture was, but he's got an army behind him bringing even more attention there. so it's interesting that he is becoming this entertainment. yeah, this reminds me of in the early days of the trump presidency, and the intermediary period between the election and when he was inaugurated, he would have people just go to bedminster and stand outside of bedminster as if it was the white house to. parade people, just to humiliate them. he did it, he did it with mit romney and ultimately, it is about actually getting people to be bowing down in front of him in public. most of these guys are

not going to be his vp, but he wants to see them there as a part of cell flagellation. i live jamie statement. i want to read it for everyone. >> liz cheney was talking about that very point that abby's raising and saying she had to admit i'm surprised that speaker johnson wants to be in the i cheated on my wife with a porn star club. >> i guess he's not that concerned with teaching morality to a young people after all, i mean, where she concerned about her father teaching morality when we slaughtered a lot of people in a war that they said there was evidenced four and there was not me, liz cheney does not have the moral high ground on this. and in four and to be quite honest with you for a lot of recruitment the person who is not i know that was the point that i'm making here is for a lot of republican voters, she is irrelevant now to the question about telling that it is very telling, but the point though is that these guys going out there defending donald trump is not just because of donald trump's vanity, it's also showcases and my view that the republican party is still so behind donald trump solidly

behind donald trump. >> it also suggests that while donald trump can articulate what he believes his political position should be about this case. there are other elected republican officials who can and republican voters want to hear that. i think sort of making the case against michael cohen, i think is somewhat effective. >> yeah, abby's engine, think about this connection as you as you're pointing out, the idea of who is there and what they're not doing to actually to be in that courtroom. i mean, it's kinda the field of dreams. if you build it, it will come. they didn't mean a courtroom gene the idea that these folks are going out there and attacking the judges daughter something very clearly covered under the gag order and also very gratuitous, do not to mention i mean, look at a judge, probably can't do anything about it, but they're trying to make a mockery of the court. it seems i will give a quick answer for somebody told me two, if they can prove the donald trump help guide them direct them advise them to make those statements that he didn't then he did violate the gag order.

>> but if that's an option they're making go out there and say whatever they want. >> that's interesting. >> it really important point. thank you, everyone. up next we've a lot more coverage of michael cohen's cross-examination today. a deep dive into the transcripts some of the most dramatic moments, in just a moment and we'll show you the winning dog, by the way, at the westminster kennel club dog show. no correlation between the two points? >> if you have chronic kidney disease, you can reduce the risk of kidney failure with par sega because their place like to be for cql can cause serious side effects, including ketoacidosis that may be fatal dehydration, urinary tract, or genital yeast infections and low blood sugar a rare life-threatening bacterial infection in the skin of the perineum could occur stopped taking for sika and call your doctor right away at the eps symptoms of disinfection and allergic reaction or ketoacidosis doug someone needs

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