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![r/AutoNewspaper - [UK] - Two Just Stop Oil protesters attack Magna Carta’s glass case | Guardian](https://a.thumbs.redditmedia.com/WI7CscG3AIWOec7VQIiKwTop6ZlFt_AT4cqPNVUwwu0.jpg)
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Stupid people. Stop giving them coverage and they’ll get bored and fuck off. Middle class kids with nothing better do to who didn’t get enough attention from their parents. Stop giving it to them and they’ll get bored and start a vegan cake shop.
"Two women in their 80s have been charged after the glass protecting the Magna Carta was attacked."
His reddit for his quick fix of outrage, really expect him to read the article?
Woah, we're supposed to read The linked articles?
Username indeed fails to check out
Still upper middle class twats, though.
Always ex-GPs or some other saviour complex/self-righteous bullshit.
Probably because most people can’t afford to go out and protest all the time?
Despise Russel Brand but he made a good point: ‘When I was poor and complained about inequality they said I was bitter; now that I'm rich and I complain about inequality they say I'm a hypocrite. I'm beginning to think they just don't want to talk about inequality’
Only working class people can protest but coincidentally they all work 40 hours a week. Oh well guess we won’t change anything for the better then
Please let us know the exact income bracket one had to be in to feel justifiably upset about stuff.
You need to start with actually having a sensible point to start with.
These shitheads are just channelling their own narcissism.
Woah woah woah don't say that. Then I can't pretend they're middle class youn people who I hate. Getting dangerously close to making me engage with the issue there.
LOL middle class kids
TBF, these people look about 80.
JSO can do one though, just to be clear.
80yr old baby boomers were born guzzling oil from the teat, and here they are in a gross act of hypocrisy
Actually many started driving Hondas to save fuel, and supported renewable energy way back in the 70s. It was a thing.
Sounds like a better idea than than smashing glass for attention
Or maybe they just accepted that their way of life is unsustainable and changed their stance?
I dunno much about this organization but suggesting that someone who has benefited from overuse of fossil fuels isn't allowed to be against the continued overuse of fossil fuels is pretty ridiculous.
How convenient for them.
The thing is, Just Stop Oil would have so many more people on their side if they just stopped the stupidity. Throwing soup on culturally significant paintings, gluing themselves to roads, stopping sorting events, targeting the Magna Carta here... It just annoys people.
There general population would probably agree that things need to change but this, imo, isn't the way to get people on side.
Just Stop Oil have history on their side. Climate change kills tens of thousands per year right now, and will climb to around a quarter million per year by the mid century.
Their demands are pretty reasonable - stop new licenses and consents for the exploration, development, and production of fossil fuels in the UK.
What started with a pitch invasion two years ago has gotten up to smashing the magna carta case with a hammer and chisel by a retired reverend and teacher in their 80s.
Their escalation is obvious, and I've been saying for a year now if we don't take climate change seriously we are just going to get another suffragette style terror movement happening.
Source?
Source for which bit?
Edit, short answer is google. Feel free to disagree with anything after you spend 30 seconds researching it and I'll engage.
Your comment has nothing to do with what I said.
Ironically, it displays exactly what I was describing about JSO and fans.
I'm not a climate change denier, you're reading the room wrong. It's exactly the sort of attitude that makes them damaging.
Don't look up
...a good film,
Reading is fundamental. Perhaps it’s time you paid a visit to the British Library too as I don’t think sticking exclusively to The Sun is doing you any favours.
The general sentiment of his comment is fine. More clicks is what these fifth columns want. They know the institutions of this nation are a soft touch and they exploit that.
I love it when they get all high and mighty and pronounce that "there will be no planet left for our children". I always think of the great philosopher george carlin, and his wise words, "the planet isnt going anywhere.....we are! pack your bags folks!"
Even from the thumbnail you can see the people this article is about are clearly pensions... But yes, middle class kids - stick to the line
Their parents couldn't give them attention, they were drafted to fight in the Boer War.
Can’t believe these two 80-year-old women are middle class children
Congratulations, you just won gammon bingo.
Just stop oil protesters wear clothing made with oil, not only that the clothing is transported using oil, they travelled to the destination that also uses oil one form or the other. Bit special those protesters would love to meet one and ask a few questions.
Oh my god it's almost as if they live on the same planet as everyone else. So weird, am I right
They're a tad hypocritical indeed.
Look up the Mensch Fallacy.
Makes sense, cheers mate
Funded by oil barons lol
Man with hands complains about being punched in face, what a hypocrite.
What a crap comparison I'm sorry that's just laughable. Try again
“I think that society could improve somewhat.”
“Hmm, yet you participate in society, how curious, how clever I am!”
If that was all they were saying, sure, but these people think we should dramatically change our way of life to contribute little to fixing impending doom. If you actually think the end of the world is coming then I would think you would do everything possible in your own choices to set the precident.
Yeah they should just live in the woods. I bet they have iPhones too! Got em!
In this day and age it's impossible to live in the west without the products of fossil fuels unless you go live in a shack in the woods with no electricity. I don't agree with how they protest but I don't think it's hypocritical at all. It's the world we live in and they want to change it.
So "Just stop using oil" is a bit more complicated then these protestors act like it is.
‘Just Stop Oil opposes the United Kingdom government granting new fossil fuel licensing and production agreements;[1] on its website, it calls for the government to stop all future consents and licensing agreements related to the development, exploration, and production of fossil fuels in the country.’
How does any of this have anything do do with them wearing t shirts made in a different country?
So those that already have permission get a monopoly? I see why people think they're secretly funded by oil companies now.
My point flew right over your head i guess. And they're literally trying to destroy historic artefacts this isn't about t-shirts. The t-shirts argument just proves how they're only here to destroy things for attention, not take personal responsibility for change.
Cotton isn't made from oil mate.
The process of transporting it is my friend
If you got the opportunity to ask them a few questions you'd probably embarrass yourself like you just have now
‘You criticise society, yet you participate in it! I am very smart’
"Why should i take personal responsibility for my beliefs when i can deflect them onto you"
They think that the UK Government should stop granting new fossil fuel licenses.
I don’t see how them wearing clothes has anything to do with what you’re saying.
If they were demanding every one stop using oil-based products and to go and live in the woods without a phone then your argument would make sense yes.
But that’s not what they’re demanding is it
We’re already taking steps to do that. We have one of the lowest GHG emissions per capita of all developed nations. You can’t just instantly switch power generation sources and underlying infrastructure because some Jonty’s (or Edith’s in this case) demand you to.
Most people agree with JSO’s aims but dislike the organisation because of their methods. There’s only so many things the average person can do to reduce their carbon footprint and those things often cost more money. Angering the general public does nothing the get them on side.
You want to make real change? Get politicians to pour money into nuclear fusion. With the exception of fossil fuel companies, everyone wants free, clean electricity.
Actually Hydrogen is a far better bet. The tech already exists and is not reliant on weather - just the capital and political will seems to be lacking. NF is more of a long term goal.
Who are most people?
So you’re telling me in an ideal world you’d prefer to rely on fossil fuels?
Fucking scum just stop oil protesters. Y'know they are using senjor citizens so that they can spread the "hey look, old people hate oil too" and also other law enforcement won't dare to go too violent with them.
Or old people are also worried about the environment.
These are fucking scum? How would you describe say, ExxonMobil? Or Shell?
Fifth columns don’t get a right to destroy Britain’s cultural heritage. They can go do a Quang Duc if they claim they aren’t getting enough attention from the media and if they’re that dedicated to their doomerism.
That’s not to mention the UK already has among the lowest GHG emissions of any developed nation. Smashing our relics isn’t changing ExxonMobil’s mind.
Agree
Bollocks they didn't even get close. Protest is how change happens. You'd have been one of those guys bemoaning the suffragettes for spoiling your horse race
They're not really on the same level as the suffragettes though. Except in their minds maybe.
Except the suffragettes were fighting for a specific thing that they would stop fighting for once that thing was implemented, unlike Just Stop Oil. And if someone wanted to bemoan suffragettes they could just use the reasoning of domestic terrorism instead of horse racing being interrupted.
Protest is holding signs and arguing with the government about moral causes, not attempting to destroy one of the most influential documents in world fucking history!
Seeing that the UK has seen a #54% reduction in GHG emissions on 1990 levels (puts the UK on the same level of as 1880), I'd say that these actions of the feeble-minded are extremely miss-placed.
I would punt these old bags if I was there
Turning this nation into an anarchistic version of Brazil isn’t change that anyone wants.
If you’re man enough and not a coward, then properly show your convictions like Quang Duc, rather than attempt to destroy what greater men than you have created.
You mean the suffragettes that waged a letter bombing campaign alongside a fairly healthy campaign of arson? The suffragettes that tried to assassinate various politicians? The suffragettes that rigged post boxes to explode, targeting posties who also didn't have the right to vote at the time? The suffragettes who tried to cause mass casualty events by crashing trains into other trains? Their attempts to blow a canal lock up which would have caused a mass flooding? Finally, their attempts to burn down a hospital?
The suffragettes did more than "spoil a horse race" and a lot of the people injured or killed also didn't have the vote at the time neither. They're not exactly "heroes" to aspire to...
your whataboutism is getting old, just bc I say these are scums doesn;t negate the fact that fossil fuel company destory the earth. It's clearly that JSO org uses these senior citizens to spread their own message, and that's why I consider them to be scums.
You don't think the people you see in this video have any agency for themselves? It's not whataboutism to suggest there is something these people are protesting against. That's called context
Saved the world? Otherwise we would have burnt more coal and every piece of woodland for heating by now
Why do people hate just stop oil? There demands are very very reasonable. No new oil licensing by 2030. The thing I don't get is why normal people, as already seen in the comments, seems to be frothing at the mouth at them. Genuine question, could someone explain why normal seeming people hate them so much?
Their stunts target normal people, have stopped ambulances getting to scenes, damage culturally significant artifacts...
Encouraging others to take care of the environment, yes. Being arseholes in the process, no.
Edit: cost of living here is pushing people to question these commitments. If it helps the environment a little (unlikely given China etc increases) but makes it less likely for people to afford energy/fuel etc then most people would likely choose to drill for oil.
I can see why they'd annoy people who have been personally impacted by them, like if someone had missed an appointment or something because their car was trapped behind one of their protests but the odds of that being the case is incredibly low. But unless they have been personally impacted I don't understand the hate.
It's common sense to see they are ultimately right about the issue (even if you don't agree with the methods) and that eventually they will be correct in the long run. So I wonder if people would, in hindsight, be calling suffragettes scum, or raging at black rights protestors in the 60's, or furious at slave trade abolitionists or if they'd like to think they'd be on the right side of history this time. So unless they are personally impacted by the protests why don't they just shut up and get on with their lives instead of being angry at people trying to solve the issue
Being right doesn't give you carte blanche to be a grade A cunt.
Okay, but consider my point though. Do you think the protests the suffragettes did are, in hindsight justified, or were they being grade A cunts?
All your examples are protests for a certain section of humanity to be treated as equals. I think the level of protest is fine there. Not so for Just Stop Oil. I'm aware it's subjective though so people may disagree.
I believe that's the reason for the negativity towards this group though. Their protests reek of middle-class virtue signalling petulance rather than honest protest.
Because it isn't a plan. What's their alternative for energy security?
there will come a point in our lifetimes when we will run out of oil completely and we would have burned enough of it by then to permanently and irreversabily heat up the planet and then we would ask ourselves why didn't we just stop oil earlier and do the measures we have now sooner?